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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 11:53am On Jan 07
hahn:


Do atheists consult Dawkins before getting married?
Do atheists go to Dawkins for healing when they are sick?
Has any atheist killed a theist because Dawkins said so?
Do atheists put pictures of Dawkins on their walls as protection?
Has any atheist disowned their kids because Dawkins said they are witches?
Do atheists pray to Dawkins so their businesses will grow?
Ideological regurgitation. That's not even remotely close to what i am saying.



Most theists do this. At least a larger proportion than does who don't and those who don't are often regarded as the less faithful ones by other theists.

Do what exactly? To be sure what we are still talking about.



Is that what happened on the other thread?
Interestingly, no theist played that card. If they did, I'd refute it just the same.



Sure go ahead

Perhaps a different thread. A debate thread for you and i specifically?
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by hahn(m): 12:03pm On Jan 07
johnydon22:
Ideological regurgitation. That's not even remotely close to what i am saying.

Do what exactly? To be sure what we are still talking about.

It seems you did not get my point. Theists follow their religious leaders blindly.

The pay them and rely on them for advice even when the advice is ridiculous.

Many Christians have divorced their spouses and even buried nails in the heads on their kids because their pastor said they were witches. Not all but definitely these things come with theism

Interestingly, no theist played that card. If they did, I'd refute it just the same.

No one played the card here. You brought it up


Perhaps a different thread. A debate thread for you and i specifically?

You will have to invite other people o. I can't even remember I typed this long regarding religion.

You have brought back the epistility in me

grin
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by HellVictorinho(m): 12:07pm On Jan 07
If there is a Designer,he or she or it must be nuts.
But,there can't be one.
Lest,it would have passed out by now.
In fact,he/she/it would be tired of masterminding nonsense.
Or,he/she/it must be thinking of ending the human race. cheesy

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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 12:54pm On Jan 07
HellVictorinho:
If there is a Designer,he or she or it must be nuts.
But,there can't be one.
Lest,it would have passed out by now.
In fact,he/she/it would be tired of masterminding nonsense.
Or,he/she/it must be thinking of ending the human race. cheesy
why do you think the designer must be nuts?
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Martinez19(m): 2:04pm On Jan 07
johnydon22:
I disagree. It is actually a logical speculation just like the multiverse theory and the likes.
One can argue that it is naive, but logical? Yes. It is logical.
Logical speculations? No way. Let's start with the Abrahamic religions. Unlike the multiverse theory, the proponents of the Abrahamic religions don't present their religions as mere speculations but the absolute truth and when you read their holy books, it's illogical poo from beginning till the end. Illogical poo with no basis in reality.

Deism and other similar religion are more logical. What says you?

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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Hermes019: 2:31pm On Jan 07
Theism ; a belief in the existence of the supreme being or deities

Well there are a couple of problems I have with the concept above but the most prominent of them is the insufficiency of evidence that theism or theists provide.
Now let me define my own belief before going any further,I uphold an atheistic view as long as the conventional definition of God or gods is concerned,maybe agnostic if the meaning of God is revised,I've taken a look at most of the major proponents of theism and I can't find sufficient or any evidence at all to the following claims
1)that man and the entire universe were created(whatever the word "create" represents)
2)that the "creator" is "God" (in their own context)
3)that God possesses the nature,features and characteristics attributed to it which is in fact what makes him God,as the word "God" doesn't mean anything on its own
4)that God interacts,interferes or is interested in human affairs
5)that humans(at the present age and at the age the concept was birthed) are capable of providing a perfect or satisfactory explanation to how life "began" via scientific,logical or in this case theological means
6)that humans are even capable of comprehending what the universe really is in entirety,given our level of exposure,much less its features,and even much less assuming the position to define what is responsible for its existence
7)that belief in God or gods has generally improved the quality of life and is a better option than absence of belief in God or gods
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by HellVictorinho(m): 3:11pm On Jan 07
johnydon22:
why do you think the designer must be nuts?
Well,the designer has been said to have a mind/brain.
But Reality is bitch.
So,such an artiste must be nuts if this is its artwork.
The only proof people have for its existence is the possibility of genetic misdemeanors/biological disasters/natural hazards/hormonal misfortunes, etc.
It allegedly masterminded these things.
But I don't think it is responsible.
You are not convicted until proven guilty.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Pascopele: 3:28pm On Jan 07
Na wa o!!!!!!!!
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 3:53pm On Jan 07
LordReed:


Why do we need arguments for a god's existence? Do you need arguments for the Sun's existence?
curiosity of the mind, unsatisfied phenomenon, persistent and repeatable demonstration of unexplainable event. All this will surely demand an answer. The sun obviously does not have such a characteristic.
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by HellVictorinho(m): 3:57pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
curiosity of the mind, unsatisfied phenomenon, persistent and repeatable demonstration of unexplainable event. All this will surely demand an answer. The sun obviously does not have such a characteristic.


Hello,Vaxx.
What do you think about the topic I just created?

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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by LordReed(m): 4:10pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
curiosity of the mind, unsatisfied phenomenon, persistent and repeatable demonstration of unexplainable event. All this will surely demand an answer. The sun obviously does not have such a characteristic.


Why does the god not have characteristics consistent with reality? What persistent, repeatable demonstration of unexplainable event are you referring to?

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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 4:17pm On Jan 07
hahn:


Buy there is still no evidence for a god.
There are many, it depends on which one will certainly satisfy your curiosity.

In court when requesting for a murder weapon no one expects it to be "developed gradually" instead the inability to provide evidence will lead to the end if the case.
murder is a criminal case and hence may developed gradually, even finger print is not enough this day, since everybody knows how to wear gloves.what they do is swab everything they can find for DNA. Whic are gradual process. Most crimes are committed by repeat offenders, and if you’ve been convicted of a crime any time in the last 12 or so years your DNA is on file with the authorities. Running the DNA gives them a very short list of suspects, and that lets them focus only on specific people who might be their guy. Once they can do that your evidence would have to be both perfect and unbreakable. Which are all gradual process.

But theists will rather argue the existence of their gods with different descriptions and characteristics.
That is it, even police interpret murther case diffrently, God evidence can never be one way. Since evidence can be interpreted in many analogy.

No one needs a rational capacity to understand nonsense. We simply agree it is nonsense and move on
it is only nonsense when the evidence given to you does not meet your expected requirement. For some, they are satisfy with what they have at disposal.
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 4:37pm On Jan 07
LordReed:


Why does the god not have characteristics consistent with reality? What persistent, repeatable demonstration of unexplainable event are you referring to?
it is because reality is iimpossible to fully describe has it would involve observation, and making an observation of any kind involves passing the raw data through the filter that is our sensory organs, our nerves, and our brain. This is where a lot of differences and biases are introduced. If our biases are fitter in this stage, our consistency will reveal itself.

And to your second question, the mathematical rules of the universe is one of the fews example.
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by hahn(m): 4:40pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
There are many, it depends on which one will certainly satisfy your curiosity.

murder is a criminal case and hence may developed gradually, even finger print is not enough this day, since evwrybody knows how to wear gloves.what they do is swab everything they can find for DNA. Whic are gradual process. Most crimes are committed by repeat offenders, and if you’ve been convicted of a crime any time in the last 12 or so years your DNA is on file with the authorities. Running the DNA gives them a very short list of suspects, and that lets them focus only on specific people who might be their guy. Once they can do that your evidence would have to be both perfect and unbreakable. Which are all gradual process.

That is it, even police interpret murther case diffrently, God evidence can never be one way. Since evidence can be interpreted in many analogy.

it is only nonsense when the evidence given to you does not meet your expected requirement. For some, they are satisfy with what they have at disposal.

Which of the gods do you serve?
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 4:45pm On Jan 07
hahn:


Which of the gods do you serve?
i served the gods of my ancestors

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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by LordReed(m): 4:45pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
it is because reality is iimpossible to fully describe ras it would involve observation, and making an observation of any kind involves passing the raw data through the filter that is our sensory organs, our nerves, and our brain. This is where a lot of differences and biases are introduced. Of biases are fitter in this stage, our consistency will reveal itself.

So what? Everybody sees the sun with what ever biases they have and still arrive at the same conclusion.

Unless your god is non interacting, in which case why should we care?


And to your second question, the mathematical rules of the universe is one of the fews example.

Which seem to require no transcendent being or faith to have them operational.or are you claiming god is metaphorically the laws of nature?
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by hahn(m): 4:48pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
i served the gods of my ancestors

What are their names?
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 4:49pm On Jan 07
hahn:


What are their names?
myself, myself, and my ancestors
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 4:57pm On Jan 07
LordReed:


what? Everybody sees the sun with what ever biases they have and still arrive at the same conclusion
i just said ealier, sun and God are not of the same characteristic. Just like how twins and siblings do not possess same DNA traits.

Unless your god is non interacting, in which case why should we care?
You shouldn't care, it is not necessary. At least i agree with that.



Which seem to require no transcendent being or faith to have them operational.or are you claiming god is metaphorically the laws of nature?
The universe, the nature, the human are just part of the microcosm called God.
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by hahn(m): 4:58pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
myself, myself, and my ancestors

Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 4:59pm On Jan 07
hahn:


lol.....what do you want to hear.
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by HellVictorinho(m): 5:00pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
i just said ealier, sun and God are not of the same characteristic. Just like how twins and siblings do not possess same DNA traits.

You shouldn't care, it is not necessary. At least i agree with that.



The universe, the nature, the human are just part of the microcosm called God.
And God is the microcosm of what?
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by hahn(m): 5:00pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
lol.....what do you want to hear.

You na bad guy

Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 5:05pm On Jan 07
HellVictorinho:

And God is the microcosm of what?
All in entirety, is continually emerging from this single source. God is in everything, and part of everything.
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by LordReed(m): 5:13pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
i just said ealier, sun and God are not of the same characteristic. Just like how twins and siblings do not possess same DNA traits.

You shouldn't care, it is not necessary. At least i agree with that.



The universe, the nature, the human are just part of the microcosm called God.

I think you've summed it up, it isn't necessary and we shouldn't care.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 5:26pm On Jan 07
LordReed:


I think you've summed it up, it isn't necessary and we shouldn't care.
i am sure you aware it is not neccasry doest not equal it is not important. To some it is important
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by LordReed(m): 5:32pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
i am sure you aware it is not neccasry doest not equal it is not important. To some it is important

Well that's their cup of tea, I will ignore it.

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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 5:33pm On Jan 07
LordReed:


Well that's their cup of tea, I will ignore it.
opinion well noted.
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by HellVictorinho(m): 5:35pm On Jan 07
vaxx:
All in entirety, is continually emerging from this single source. God is in everything, and part of everything.
If there is a formless/characterless source,what exists alongside the source?
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 5:39pm On Jan 07
HellVictorinho:

Well,the designer has been said to have a mind/brain.
But Reality is bitch.
So,such an artiste must be nuts if this is artwork.
The only proof people have for its existence is the possibility of genetic misdemeanors/biological disasters/natural hazards/hormonal misfortunes, etc.
It allegedly masterminded these things.
But I don't think it is responsible.
You are not convicted until proven guilty.

You have not really given an answer that is reconcilable with the question.

The question is; why do you say this designer must be nuts?

What points to this?
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by vaxx: 5:41pm On Jan 07
HellVictorinho:

If there is a formless/characterless source,what exists alongside the source?
is there a formless, characterless source anywhere? If so let me know.
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 5:42pm On Jan 07
Martinez19:
Logical speculations? No way. Let's start with the Abrahamic religions. Unlike the multiverse theory, the proponents of the Abrahamic religions don't present their religions as mere speculations but the absolute truth and when you read their holy books, it's illogical poo from beginning till the end. Illogical poo with no basis in reality.

Deism and other similar religion are more logical. What says you?

I agree that it is silly to assert an absolute truth without absolute proof

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