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Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 5:42pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:They say it has a sane mind,yet Nature acts like a lunatic. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 5:43pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
vaxx:You mentioned the 'source' without describing its features. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 5:44pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
LordReed: Actually, a transcendent being cannot be consistent with the reality which it transcends. This is a scientific idea. That's like asking why a coke doesn't taste like fanta. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 5:48pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:Do you think what Man is going through is normal ? It is actually absurd. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 5:48pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:so, you get to decide whether nature is lunatic or sane? Makes sense. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 5:49pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:No. I think it is necessary |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 5:49pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:What is the being doing now? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 5:51pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:If you can personify the so-called mastermind, why can't I tell you how it behaves? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 5:52pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:So it is necessary for people to be deformed? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 5:59pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
LordReed:What do you think about my topic :'Timing of Existence'? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by LordReed(m): 6:01pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22: Maybe I worded that improperly but the idea is if a transcendental being interacts with this universe then its interactions will necessarily be consistent with reality or else its indistinguishable from a nonexistent god. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 6:02pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho: I don't know and i don't know if there is one. What sort of question is this? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 6:04pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
LordReed:Actually No. It still won't be. A 4dimensional being interacting in our 3D realm would be so inconsistent with our reality that we won't even be able describe it. no transcendent being can be consistent with the reality of a dimension it transcends. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 6:06pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:Yes. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 6:07pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:Have i? And No. You still can't. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by LordReed(m): 6:13pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22: Even then its operations will be detectable which is what I mean by consistent with reality. Again I am probably wording it wrong. That 4dimensional beings actions must have 3dimensional properties even if those properties will not completely describe what we are experiencing. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 6:17pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:Why? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 6:18pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
LordReed:How about 5dimensional beings? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 6:22pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:Yes,you did. And don't even try to assume you have the facts. You are talking about beings somewhere else,yet their activities can't be described by you. Awesome. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 6:23pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:Your 4D beings |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 6:26pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:Well, these are my problems with the theistic position and why I find the concept of "God" illogical. * Something being allpowerful can't exist as it leads to contradictions. Eg. can this being create something that violates the laws of logic, can it kill itself, can it create something more powerful than himself, can it create something so heavy he can't lift himself, ... ? * Allknowing & free will can't exist together, because if this god already knows everything then it logically follows one can't actually choose anything anymore to change this plan. The max you'd get is the illusion of free will. * I also never understood how one can think an all-loving god and satan can exist at the same time either. Is this god not powerful enough to stop satan or if he is and won't do it, then clearly he isn't all-loving? Am I missing something here? * More often than not, people use god to "explain" the origin of the universe because their objection is something can't come from nothing and / or something must have had a beginning. However this same logic doesn't apply to god because it's outside of time. But "cause and effect" only make sense when you have time, so I don't get how a god solves this whatsoever. It's like the number 5 also exists outside of space and time as a concept, yet that can't cause anything either... * Also things like the speed of light being the max speed is only correct INSIDE our universe, the expansion of the universe itself is faster than this speed, so where I'm getting at here is it's not because things follow the laws of physics inside our universe that the universe itself is bound by those laws. Eg. Just because in our universe we see everything having a beginning that therefore this logic also applies to the universe itself, as we only have a sample size of 1 universe and moreover we don't even know if this always existed in some form. * Last thing: the argument from fine-tuning I either don't understand or I find it the worst possible argument ever. What would be a miracle is if we'd find ourselfs in a universe that ISN'T able for life to be formed. How is it a shock to find ourselfs in a universe where life can form?? And maybe there were / are loads of universes out there where life isn't able to be formed, and thus we aren't "insanely lucky" as there are plenty of other possibilities. Also nearly all of the universe seems hostile to life, so how can one possibly think it's created FOR life when even on earth most places are insanely hostile. A universe created for life would be one where life can exist almost everywhere and for a really long time, yet that's exactly what we don't see. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 6:27pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:what |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 6:27pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:how did i? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 6:31pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:Stop pretending. You have mentioned something related to transcending beings. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 6:33pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:You called the theist/deist gods transcendent beings or something similar to that |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 6:36pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:Do you know what that means? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 6:36pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
XxSabrinaxX:Please check out the 'Timing of Existence',a topic I created. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 6:37pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:so? Pretend over what? What the heck are you talking about? |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 7:02pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:Having read my post about the Timing of Existence, you shouldn't assume that the other Forms of Existence are beings. They are actually nothing but matter. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by Nobody: 7:04pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
johnydon22:Look, the cosmos is not a miracle. It is actually a Form of Existence. |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 7:06pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:ok |
Re: What Are The Problems Of the Theistic Position? by johnydon22(m): 7:07pm On Jan 07, 2019 |
HellVictorinho:I didn't assume anything |
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