budaatum:
God, having created the entire universe, decides to create man, but only after creating a garden. God teaches these people to take care of his farm for food and shelter but of the Godsfruit, they must not touch or he'll kill them! And your's truly they do. So God gets the funk, and sacks them, "escort them off the premises please and don't come back!"
"Hey, hold on, you said they'd die!" I say. I go back to where it's said, point at it. "See", " they'd die". But of course it's words in a book. It's not as if a "ah, ok, I'll just kill them" was going to pop on to the page with the words rearranged though it was worth considering considering how folks about me treated the book.
The copy I was reading was an immaculate white one ma got given when she'd married which I'd stolen from where she keeps emergency money and jewelry. It was wrapped in velvet, placed in a box, wrapped in a cloth, locked in a suitcase in a locked cupboard in her locked bedroom when I took it. A book thief was bad. Then a money thief had taken the money that had been there when I stole her Bible and she was yelling all over the place. Stole the Bible, stole the money, I is dead! To a lot of others at the time, it was treated equally valuable, the whole family
could had the one, not like now when everyone's got one or so many and all the others on their phone.

I look up and see there's always gods, Even if there aren't gods there'll always be controllers - cause that's what a god who keeps the godfruits to itself is. And those controllers want to keep all the godfruit to themselves and pay everyone else just food and board because by keeping them subservient they can better exploit them.

I look further and find it is not as I thought it was, the gods were not paying food and board, the bloody gods were in fact taking the sweat off people's brows. And then I find they use to even put chains round their necks sell people for slave work! It's then I understand what is meant when some say God wrote the Bible.

Many who have had that understanding got it from the Bible, and if someone hadn't written what God did in the Garden of Eden, I wouldn't have eyes wide enough to get that understanding. I had read the New Testament prior to starting the old thanks to Gideons who made it widely available, so it helped some of it fall in place. Depends how you read it, is my point. Many get to hear meanings of the story before they've read it and by such, a way of seeing it is imposed. If you read it as a child would read it, as was advised, you might have seen it in a different way too.

Controllers don't pay food and board anymore. Now you pay their food and board, Gucci shoes, Armani suits and jet fuel willingly too! Exploitation by exploiters has drastically changed for the worst.

I get to the fourth chapter, and Cain murders Abel, and I'm thinking, when did all this happen, I'm on to a good one here, and that's when I began reading the Bible aged 8. For the next 5 years, it was my go back to book whenever I was out of James Hadley Chase or anything else till I'd finished it. I never would have read it if I hadn't read it then.

Do you remember what you first thought when you first read the creation myth in Genesis?

MuttleyLaff:
Yes, in the original text when God said, thou shall surely die, the remark has the meaning translated as you will die a slow death, you definitely will begin the process of deterioration. Everything, over time, will begin going down and looking south. At the end of the deterioration and organ failings comes and awaits death.

The mortality clock came alive and started to tick from after the lunge at the fruit and subsequent eating of it

tobechi20:
The are myth

budaatum:

What are myths?

tintingz:
Maybe you should explain why it's called a myth.

budaatum:

myth

a traditional story, especially one concerning the early history of a people or explaining a natural or social phenomenon, and typically involving supernatural beings or events.
"ancient Celtic myths"

tintingz:
I said you should explain why a story is called a myth not what a myth is.

budaatum:
You are going to have to refer this to the person who said it was a myth, tint.

tintingz:
Both of you are right.

They are myths.

Why are they myths, because they have little or no evidences. They are stories/folklores made up or stories distorted with fairytales.

budaatum:

I agree. The trick is to figure out the underlying message lost in the mythical fairytale. It's there somewhere.

Besides, only the stupid discard stories because they are mythical fairytales. The intelligent still read [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesop%27s_Fables?wprov=sfla1]Aesopica[/url] and One Thousand and One Nights because there's a lot to learn from them still.

tintingz:


I also read mythical stories, fairy stories for entertainment and learn something from it, I don't take them to be real or historical like religious people take their fairy stories to be real and even divine.

budaatum:

And that's what's smart about you tingz. Instead of believing the stories like some do, you learn from them. But you must also have compassion for those who are not as intelligent as you are. If they did not read at all they would be a lot more ignorant than they currently are and that would frustrate you more.

tintingz:
It's better to be Ignorant about something and make it known than reading a book and claim you know almost everything.

Religious people usually possess this, they read a book and claim they know a lot even things that will happen after we die. That's the worst ideology.

budaatum:
There was no time of death stipulated in the text but you have attempted to rationalise it in light of evidence and with assumptions that you have no valid reason to make. Where did you get "a slow death" from if not from the fact that you know Adam did not die after he ate the apple

budaatum:
and what makes you think he would not have died eventually forbidden fruit or not?

MuttleyLaff:
Now, you would class that a slow death, wouldnt you budaatum, hmmm?

budaatum:
No muttley. I would consider 930 years eternal life since the tenth or so of it I've lived so far seems like forever.

budaatum:
Some say Adam's age implies an epoch and not that of an individual called Adam, an idea many find unreligious.

MuttleyLaff:
it was common to live that very long, back early then, and this all because the degeneration and/or deterioration of the human genetic code hadnt had the chance of manifesting its bad effect(s) on human life and show how progressively worse the human body over time, has become.

MuttleyLaff:
What does Methuselah's 969 years then imply please?

budaatum:
We both know you have absolutely no evidence whatsoever for this, and the evidence does not support it.

budaatum:
Some say epochs. They are after all of a period when written information was sketchy and dates and age and history weren't kept properly.

MuttleyLaff:
Lol. You made me laugh. When the earth was younger, people lived long and lived for very long years, for the same conservatively listed earlier given reasons

Well the writer/author of Genesis knew better

budaatum:
I am under the impression you have something to do with the social sciences and now wonder if I got the wrong impression. If you had studied such subjects, I would be surprised if the evidence does not suggest the opposite, that people died a lot younger than evenvwe today despite whatever the writers and authors of Genesis might have written.

MuttleyLaff:
I dont know how because I asked you about something, you made the big leap jump that it was about me. Smh. You've developed and perfected this bad habit of misunderstanding and getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. It's all making sense now, the blinkers have dropped. I am here right now, ending my interaction with you.

budaatum:
I am under the impression you have something to do with the social sciences and now wonder if I got the wrong impression. If you had studied such subjects, I would be surprised if the evidence does not suggest the opposite, that people died a lot younger than even we today despite whatever the writers and authors of Genesis might have written.

MuttleyLaff:
I dont know how because I asked you about something, you made the big leap jump that it was about me. Smh. You've developed and perfected this bad habit of misunderstanding and getting hold of the wrong end of the stick. It's all making sense now, the blinkers have dropped. I am here right now, ending my interaction with you.

budaatum:
It is about you! Or do you all of a sudden think when you were going about making claims about me that it wasn't about me?

Please. I beg you. Do right here end your interaction with me, at least until you decide to use your brain. And don't say my name neither. buda will be most delighted.

For anyone who wonders, this conversation was held in parallel with this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/5443784/response-allegory-garden-edens-account#82683985

And began in this thread
https://www.nairaland.com/5439048/age-earth-scientists-lie#82597159

MuttleyLaff:


The social sciences work placement etcetera enquiries I made with you, had nothing directly to do with MuttleyLaff, it was done on behalf of someone else, who is now half way through their masters programme in it. I never had in my life anything to do with academically studying social sciences subjects for a degree or whatnot. You got the wrong impression as you often and/or usually do. All this said, just to put the record straight. A prophet, lol, is not accepted in his own country!

budaatum:

No muttley. I would consider 930 years eternal life since the tenth or so of it I've lived so far seems like forever.

Some say Adam's age implies an epoch and not that of an individual called Adam, an idea many find unreligious.

budaatum:
What was/is your area of study?

MuttleyLaff:
Engineering and IT. The former is my first love before finding warm affection with the latter.

wickedtuna:
i had a feeling you would make that exact same statement buda! But even if you buda had the chance to live to 500, i bet you wouldn't drive your car at full speed against a wall because you felt you had lived forever.

budaatum:
You studied sciences, mut??

budaatum:
Where