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Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by jesusjnr(m): 1:31am On Mar 08
EmperorHarry:

What a long reply to such a simple question. Now I'm not interested in the existence of God.For all I know he may or may not exist.Now same goes to science that says nucleosynthesis occurred after the big bang and the rest is history.But there still seems to be the undefined part of this theory.How did the universe exist before the big bang?.Now that's a level 2 question that the human brain seems to be unable to process.It's like trying to imagine nothingness.There's no way your brain can process it so it creates something your mind can process."Pitch black".But in truth it takes a level 2 being to process what's above it.So in truth if God does exist then he's the only one that can explain how he came into existence.
So this thing we call life from my own point of view is more complicated than the Creator or the big bang theories. And it's essence is one thing that's been neglected for ages(Just do your part to ensure continuity). So I'm not taking any sides until there's a defined level 2 answer to the level 2 questions I keep asking.I'm just here to experience life and play my part like most of the living things currently existing.
Ok so you've hinge your whole life, existence and fate etc., on what you call a defined level 2 answers to the level 2 questions you say you keep asking?

So what if God Himself that you say is the only one that could explain how He came into existence, now appears to you and thus proves His existence to you and that He indeed was your Creator, but yet refuses to give you a "defined level 2 answer to your level 2 question", would you still not take sides until you've gotten a defined level 2 answer to the level 2 questions you keep asking?

At times we just have to be honest with ourselves about our true objectives for certain questions we ask concerning God, if it's really to prove God's existence or to prove our intelligence?

For all I can see from what you've said in this respect is the latter, for it's not really about getting answers to such questions you keep asking, but about giving appeasement to your egoistic objectives of asking such questions in the first place, which is that the inability to get defined level 2 answers to the level 2 questions which you level 1 brain is asking, brings your intelligency some sense of satisfaction and fulfillment.

And hence you are not much different from the instances of most intelligent folks, where God-given intelligence is used against Him, for instance to question His existence, instead of for Him, such as to justify or prove it, hence it becomes a curse to them instead of a blessing which it was supposed to be, as was observed in this saying of Jesus:

Luke 10:21 (KJV)

"...I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes: even so, Father; for so it seemed good in thy sight."

Hence their intelligence became a curse to them as it made God their Creator to hide those things from them, for it seemed a good thing in His sight to do so.

But the problem was never their intelligence, but themselves, because they usually place their intelligence above God the Creator of their intelligence, and hence inclines them to rebellion against His authority.

However despite that such is the usual order of the intelligent, that makes God hide those things from the intelligent, there are the exceptional instances when it's the otherwise, as it you should have already observed in my own case, where such intelligence is not placed above its Creator, but made to be subject to His Will and His authority.

Hence he has not hidden but revealed those things to me, in spite of my intelligence, hence the distinctive results here of my efforts thus far, even though this is just the prep stage.

But you can keep waiting for the (next) level 2 answers to the level 2 questions you keep asking as a result of your God-giving intelligence, but as for me, myself and I, I don't even want any level 2 answers from God for anything, because even though I am so intelligent, as has been acknowledged by several folks here and elsewhere, my intelligence is not meant to question its Creator, but to use it to accomplish the purpose for which its Creator created it.

Therefore even though i'm highly intelligent, I am yet as a babe unto Him, hence His unreserved revelations of those things to me.

And I believe that He would even reveal more to me, to make me even more distinctively intelligent than the likes of you whose intelligence have proven itself a curse to this extent, that's if He hadn't done that already.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by advocate666: 1:57am On Mar 08
Satan rules.

Cry, Whine etc, Satan is ruling. Ha!
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by EmperorHarry: 4:33pm On Mar 08
jesusjnr:
Ok so you've hinge your whole life, existence and fate etc., on what you call a defined level 2 answers to the level 2 questions you say you keep asking?

Hmmm...Why make God a personal thing when he's got millions of worshippers saying he talks to them all?...Here's the thing tho..God is the best our human brain can comprehend the magnanimity of this thing we call existence. That's why there would have been no progress in our way of life without science(Observation and experiment) cos the average human mind doesn't want to be curious.It wants to be given answers to basic existential questions which is answered mostly by the level 1 answer "God". Why does the rain fall? God.Why are humans evil?God created the devil who in turn spreads evil and wickedness all over the world.Why do humans die? Cos we disobeyed God.I could go on and on.Now science on the other hand brings a more verifiable & relatable answer to these existential questions.In my opinion,Theism strives cos of the less educated.A sanctuary for their less curious minds and the really intelligent theists take on the mantle of continuity (Pastors,Prophets etc and yourself).Hence my commendation of your determination to support your beliefs.Atheists on the other hand are people that are too curious for the answers theism provided(the ones that got sick and tired of getting shut up evertytime you question certain holes in theism)which points to the creator in the end.So their mission is one of enlightenment(This is how it really is not " Satan Zombism"wink.To release the masses from the shackles of what has now become corrupted theism in my own opinion.
In the end,it's only human nature to determine or find out why we exist.Like Jon bellion said in a song "All we want to know is where the stars came from but do we ever stop to watch them shine?".It points to the fact that we chase answers neglecting the fact that life's right there in front of us.Both theists and atheists have settled on the level 1 answer they find appealing and created a way of life out of it.Huge books that carries a special kind of wisdom,a wisdom that has been neglected for most part instead of preached over and over again so we can all live in a better world.Gods and goddesses in fairytale that was turned into a money making industry(At least something good game out from Greek creation stories) instead of the violence and hatred we see in other religions.I could go on and on but I'm typing and don't have the energy to break it all down.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by EmperorHarry: 4:47pm On Mar 08
So my point is I'm not interested in how and why I exist anymore,So if you try to shove your level 1 intelligence in my face.I'll shove the level 2 questions in your face which is just a defense mechanism .So classify me all you want "Satan zombie"(Did you coin this?)etc it doesn't change how I view my position.I may sound biased sometimes smiley
But I would talk as long as it's not about who's right or wrong about how humans came to be.If I see something that's wrong or takes advantage of others in a way I'm not comfortable with.I'll will TALK whether it's religious or not.

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Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by jesusjnr(m): 12:14pm On Mar 09
EmperorHarry:
So my point is I'm not interested in how and why I exist anymore,So if you try to shove your level 1 intelligence in my face.I'll shove the level 2 questions in your face which is just a defense mechanism .So classify me all you want "Satan zombie"(Did you coin this?)etc it doesn't change how I view my position.I may sound biased sometimes smiley
But I would talk as long as it's not about who's right or wrong about how humans came to be.If I see something that's wrong or takes advantage of others in a way I'm not comfortable with.I'll will TALK whether it's religious or not.
At least the myth that it was your not getting answers to your level 2 questions that made you not to take sides has been hence busted.

Yeah! And there's yet another myth that would suffer the same fate before i'm also through with my response, even your submission that there would have been no progress without science, for despite that you keep talking about some figmental level 2 questions or answers(maybe you coined this) unknown to you, even at level 1 there are yet sub levels, and hence your limited extent of even the level 1 knowledge, that the extent to which discoveries have been made via science, has been the extent to which the Creator has permitted for such discoveries to be made in science.

Hence without those permissions there wouldn't have been any progress made by science.

For if you try and research beyond your sentimental limitations, you'd find out that the seed of the harvest you call modern science today can be traced back to Mesopotamia, the first ever civilization of the world.

And if you research further you'd find out the name of Nebuchadnezzar feature as the leader of the first ever civilization.

Now you should have heard also heard of the Biblical King Nebuchadnezzar, so if they say that he was indeed the leader of the first ever civilization, try and research his records in Biblical history.

If you do, you'd would find out that his ground breaking dispensation in this respect, hinged more or less on these four pioneer scientists namely, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, who were said to be ten times wiser than their peers.

And if you research further into the lives of those four pioneer scientists, you'd find out that they were not just scientists, but scientists who believed in God. And not just scientists who believed in God reservedly but to the extent that they were willing to sacrifice anything or their everything inclusive of their lives to uphold and defend their belief in God.

So do you think that it was by accident that it the four men that masterminded the first ever civilization of the world and paved the way for today's science were men that feared God to the last drop of their lives?

I call that finger prints of the Creator's input towards bringing science to what it is today, for if you take away the extent of knowledge that was given to those men by God at the time from the equation of science, maybe science would yet be at the level of simple farm implements.

And do you also think that it's by coincidence that despite the overwhelming extent of atheist scientists, that it would be a God fearing Isaac Newton that would be more or less regarded as the greatest scientist of all time?

God again making sure that His finger prints are undeniably entrenched in the history of science for those who are willing enough to see it.

So my friend you can choose to hold on to what you call level 2 questions, and the figment that without science there would be no progress, but the truth is that the without the input of God the Creators in science, there would be no progress in science.

For whatever discoveries that are made in science, it has only been made possible by the fact that the Creator has made it discoverable, hence it's actually without the Creator, that there would have been no progress.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by advocate666: 12:32pm On Mar 09
See them.

Crazy africans spending their time on foreigners' abandoned religions.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by EmperorHarry: 4:03pm On Mar 09
jesusjnr:
At least the myth that it was your not getting answers to your level 2 questions that made you not to take sides has been hence busted.
It actually is.Where did I give off the idea it wasn't? It's pretty simple,there's a war raging on about who's theory/belief is correct.I'm just an observer who feels there are other questions that we can't find answers to.So why sit down all day trying to find glaring loopholes exposed and repeated continuously over the years.All I'm doing is waiting for a theory that answers level 2 questions clearly(There's a bunch of them) until then I'm not taking sides.If you have answers then I'm ready to hear them.Hopefully I've been able to clarify my position on this matter.

Yeah! And there's yet another myth that would suffer the same fate before i'm also through with my response, even your submission that there would have been no progress without science,
Now don't read a misleading meaning into my summaries(I can't break it down all at once).Now science speeds up progress cos science asks questions which brings about enlighment and discoveries which in turn paves the way for inventions due to knowledge gained from science.This also has its pros and cons which we are all aware of.
despite that you keep talking about some figmental level 2 questions or answers(maybe you coined this) unknown to you, even at level 1 there are yet sub levels, and hence your limited extent of even the level 1 knowledge, that the extent to which discoveries have been made via science, has been the extent to which the Creator has permitted for such discoveries to be made in science.
I actually coined that grin after years of asking and arguing about level 1 related questions.

Hence without those permissions there wouldn't have been any progress made by science.
I strongly disagree with this for the lack of undeniable proof of God's existence. Therefore I can't be made to believe a theory has control over the what happens in this universe until it's proven(Which can easily be done with valid and clear answers to level 2 questions you can never answer.Lol)

For if you try and research beyond your sentimental limitations, you'd find out that the seed of the harvest you call modern science today can be traced back to Mesopotamia, the first ever civilization of the world.
Okay?! undecided

And if you research further you'd find out the name of Nebuchadnezzar feature as the leader of the first ever civilization.

Now you should have heard also heard of the Biblical King Nebuchadnezzar, so if they say that he was indeed the leader of the first ever civilization, try and research his records in Biblical history.
They say

If you do, you'd would find out that his ground breaking dispensation in this respect, hinged more or less on these four pioneer scientists namely, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, who were said to be ten times wiser than their peers.

And if you research further into the lives of those four pioneer scientists, you'd find out that they were not just scientists, but scientists who believed in God. And not just scientists who believed in God reservedly but to the extent that they were willing to sacrifice anything or their everything inclusive of their lives to uphold and defend their belief in God.
Not all branches of science has to do with the existence of God.Some areas don't give a damn about your theist or atheists beliefs.

So do you think that it was by accident that it the four men that masterminded the first ever civilization of the world and paved the way for today's science were men that feared God to the last drop of their lives?

I call that finger prints of the Creator's input towards bringing science to what it is today, for if you take away the extent of knowledge that was given to those men by God at the time from the equation of science, maybe science would yet be at the level of simple farm implements.
Would you link or attribute the destrictive nature of science to the Creator? Or is he only included in the positive achievements

And do you also think that it's by coincidence that despite the overwhelming extent of atheist scientists, that it would be a God fearing Isaac Newton that would be more or less regarded as the greatest scientist of all time?
The fact that there are other scientists who aren't theists helping in building human knowledge of the world we live in only points to the fact that what your believe in doesn't affect science.It's largely independent of theism and atheism.

God again making sure that His finger prints are undeniably entrenched in the history of science for those who are willing enough to see it.

So my friend you can choose to hold on to what you call level 2 questions, and the figment that without science there would be no progress, but the truth is that the without the input of God the Creators in science, there would be no progress in science.
I doubt that wink

For whatever discoveries that are made in science, it has only been made possible by the fact that the Creator has made it discoverable, hence it's actually without the Creator, that there would have been no progress.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by EmperorHarry: 5:05pm On Mar 09
It's been a while since I've been this active on the religious section of nairaland.It's gonna get some getting used to.So I may make mistakes,just so you know smiley
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by EmperorHarry: 5:11pm On Mar 09
advocate666:
See them.

Crazy africans spending their time on foreigners' abandoned religions.
Lol..Don't be a hypo grin
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by orisa37: 5:40pm On Mar 09
Recognising His MAJESTIC EXCELLENCE and WORSHIPPING Him. Such is Charity beginning at Home.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by jesusjnr(m): 6:11pm On Mar 09
EmperorHarry:
It's been a while since I've been this active on the religious section of nairaland.It's gonna get some getting used to.So I may make mistakes,just so you know smiley
Don't worry I understand, that's why I gave you enough time to correct them.

Brb with my response but hope you don't make a waste of it.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by advocate666: 6:35pm On Mar 09
I am not a Hypo.

Satan is African. Why do you think they hate him so much?
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by advocate666: 6:35pm On Mar 09
I am not a Hypo.

Satan is African.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by EmperorHarry: 7:26pm On Mar 09
jesusjnr:
Don't worry I understand, that's why I gave you enough time to correct them.

Brb with my response but hope you don't make a waste of it.
As long as it's convincing enough..I would be as open minded as I can
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by EmperorHarry: 7:28pm On Mar 09
advocate666:
I am not a Hypo.

Satan is African.
Good to know cool
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by jesusjnr2: 11:04am On Mar 10
EmperorHarry:

It actually is.Where did I give off the idea it wasn't? It's pretty simple,there's a war raging on about who's theory/belief is correct.I'm just an observer who feels there are other questions that we can't find answers to.So why sit down all day trying to find glaring loopholes exposed and repeated continuously over the years.All I'm doing is waiting for a theory that answers level 2 questions clearly(There's a bunch of them) until then I'm not taking sides.If you have answers then I'm ready to hear them.Hopefully I've been able to clarify my position on this matter.

Now don't read a misleading meaning into my summaries(I can't break it down all at once).Now science speeds up progress cos science asks questions which brings about enlighment and discoveries which in turn paves the way for inventions due to knowledge gained from science.This also has its pros and cons which we are all aware of.
I actually coined that grin after years of asking and arguing about level 1 related questions.

I strongly disagree with this for the lack of undeniable proof of God's existence. Therefore I can't be made to believe a theory has control over the what happens in this universe until it's proven(Which can easily be done with valid and clear answers to level 2 questions you can never answer.Lol)

Okay?! undecided

They say

If you do, you'd would find out that his ground breaking dispensation in this respect, hinged more or less on these four pioneer scientists namely, Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, who were said to be ten times wiser than their peers.

Not all branches of science has to do with the existence of God.Some areas don't give a damn about your theist or atheists beliefs.

Would you link or attribute the destrictive nature of science to the Creator? Or is he only included in the positive achievements

The fact that there are other scientists who aren't theists helping in building human knowledge of the world we live in only points to the fact that what your believe in doesn't affect science.It's largely independent of theism and atheism.

God again making sure that His finger prints are undeniably entrenched in the history of science for those who are willing enough to see it.

I doubt that wink

For whatever discoveries that are made in science, it has only been made possible by the fact that the Creator has made it discoverable, hence it's actually without the Creator, that there would have been no progress.
My conclusion to this matter is that you have to first prove you are qualified for the next level, by passing the test of the level you are first, and hence proving that you are ready for the next level.

But you have not even been able to prove yourself in your lower level that you currently are, who would even in his right mind think of taking you to the next level?

It's never been about being able to answer those so called level 2 questions that you've kept asking, because there are definitely answers to them, but are you qualified for them by what you've shown with your level 1 knowledge?

For if God who has all the answers to the level 2 questions wants to answer them at all, do you think that it's someone like you that hasn't yet proven yourself before Him with the level 1 knowledge that He's given you, and is just using such as and excuse, that He would give such answers?

I mentioned the four pioneers of science, namely Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, who were made by God to be ten times wiser than their peers, do you think that if they had behaved like you with their level 1 knowledge that they were given, that they would have been qualified to receive more?

If you truly want level 2 answers to your level two questions you must need prove that you'd be able to handle the answer by first of all proving yourself with your level 1 knowledge, for it's only he that is faithful with level 1 knowledge that would be given more.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by jesusjnr(m): 2:37am On Mar 11
jesusjnr2:
My conclusion to this matter is that you have to first prove you are qualified for the next level, by passing the test of the level you are first, and hence proving that you are ready for the next level.

But you have not even been able to prove yourself in your lower level that you currently are, who would even in his right mind think of taking you to the next level?

It's never been about being able to answer those so called level 2 questions that you've kept asking, because there are definitely answers to them, but are you qualified for them by what you've shown with your level 1 knowledge?

For if God who has all the answers to the level 2 questions wants to answer them at all, do you think that it's someone like you that hasn't yet proven yourself before Him with the level 1 knowledge that He's given you, and is just using such as and excuse, that He would give such answers?

I mentioned the four pioneers of science, namely Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, Abednego, who were made by God to be ten times wiser than their peers, do you think that if they had behaved like you with their level 1 knowledge that they were given, that they would have been qualified to receive more?

If you truly want level 2 answers to your level two questions you must needs prove that you'd be able to handle the answer by first of all proving yourself with your level 1 knowledge, for it's only he that is faithful with level 1 knowledge that would be given more.
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by jesusjnr(m): 12:53pm On Mar 12
Declare your proof
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by jesusjnr(m): 7:49am On Mar 14
Declare your sacrifice!
Re: What Is The Proof Of Love? by jesusjnr2: 7:09am On Mar 16
Not just talk!

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