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Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by Ozkar: 1:38pm On Apr 15
They had a sham of a presidential election but this is what everyone is arguing about - whether a past VP was born in Nigeria - even when his place of birth is currently geographically part of Nigeria.

This is why Africa is not progressing. We have a way of holding on to the most meaningless things and giving it full attention to the detriment of what is truly important. Plus illiterates wrote our constitution with its many holes.

Those who have taken a chokehold on power are trying to distract the nation and as usual everyone is distracted. When would the people in this country finally have sense?
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by Emycord: 1:47pm On Apr 15
kahal29:
Jada History

Atiku Abubakar is from Jada town in Adamawa State of Nigeria. However, Jada used to be in Ganye Local Government Area in Adamawa. Ganye is regarded as the mother of the whole Chamba tribe.

This area was never part of Nigeria legally until the February 1961 plebiscite where the people of the then Northern Cameroon voted to join Nigeria.


The area had been entrusted to Britain by a League of Nations mandate in 1919 and later as Trust Territory by the United Nations in 1946, according to an article published on Myculturebase.

A plebiscite was held in British Cameroons to determine whether the people preferred to stay in Cameroon or align with Nigeria. While Northern Cameroon preferred a union with Nigeria, Southern Cameroon chose the mother country.
you guys should stop all this "plebiscite" word that you use to confuse people. they had a "referendum" . stop watering it down, AND that is the point kanu was trying to pass across
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by vacanci: 1:47pm On Apr 15
Ozkar:
They had a sham of a presidential election but this is what everyone is arguing about - whether a past VP was born in Nigeria - even when his place of birth is currently geographically part of Nigeria.

This is why Africa is not progressing. We have a way of holding on to the most meaningless things and giving it full attention to the detriment of what is truly important. Plus illiterates wrote our constitution with its many holes.

Those who have taken a chokehold on power are trying to distract the nation and as usual everyone is distracted. When would the people in this country finally have sense?

USA must also be backward when Obama's eligibility to contest presidency was challenged that he was not an American by birth even after election until he presented documents to show he was born in Hawaii. We simply need to change this constitution to allow all Nigerians contest presidency whether by birth, native or referendum.

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Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by neyobills: 1:51pm On Apr 15
schoolboij:

I don't understand that.

Sigh.... what manner of Lil jackrabbits do we have on NL lately that can comprehend elementary sentences.

Let me help your ministry, Jada was 100% Nigerian soil as at Independence because British Cameroons was a mandate of British colony of Nigeria who just gained independence from Britain,i hope this is easy peasey for u to comprehend.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by schoolboij(m): 1:55pm On Apr 15
neyobills:


Sigh.... what manner of Lil jackrabbits do we have on NL lately that can comprehend elementary sentences.

Let me help your ministry, Jada was 100% Nigerian soil as at Independence because British Cameroons was a mandate of British colony of Nigeria who just gained independence from Britain,i hope this is easy peasey for u to comprehend.

Read what I responded to and see if it made any sense.

If they were part of Nigeria at independent, why was referendum conducted again in 1961?if it was part of Nigeria why does it need to be called British cameroun? Why not just Nigeria? I think you need a crash course in logic. You don't make any sense. Besides, you are the only one saying this even premium times just corroborated it.

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Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by Wallade(m): 2:24pm On Apr 15
cyrilamx:
That means you dabbled into a mention you never understood its content. Even with the story he was born in 1946 in Jeda which is in Adamawa that was part of Cameroun before becoming part of Nigeria by plebiscite of 1961, you still arguing blindly? When Atiku was born, his birth place wasn't a Nigeria's territory. And by 1999 constitution, Atiku is not eligible to be president of Nigeria by virtue of the above findings....If that is too difficult to comprehend, I dont think I can help you again. Believe whatever you like, but dont cry later that PMB has muzzled the Judiciary to do his bidding ....

Good! I am testing your knowledge and cognitive reasoning. You answered correctly, especially given your statement that I made bold and I want you to note the statement in bold alphabets.

Please answer another important question:

If I was born in Ife central local govt of Ife prior to the division of Oyo state into Oyo & Osun state. Today, if I am asked where I was born, where should I say I was born?
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by neyobills: 2:30pm On Apr 15
schoolboij:


Read what I responded to and see if it made any sense.

If they were part of Nigeria at independent, why was referendum conducted again in 1961?if it was part of Nigeria why does it need to be called British cameroun? Why not just Nigeria? I think you need a crash course in logic. You don't make any sense. Besides, you are the only one saying this even premium times just corroborated it.

Premium times is wrong and u can take that to the bank, prior to 1914 Jada was southern Nigerian protectorate,by 1916 during the 1st World War British Forces waged war against against the German colony of Kamerun and took over thus all of Kamerun became a British colony under Nigeria, in 1922 the French and British decided to to split their colonies French Cameroun and British Cameroons,British Cameroons was also a British colony under Nigeria.

In 1960 Jan French Cameroon gained independence while the colony of Nigeria and British Cameroons was to gain Independence in Oct, what would then happen to British Cameroons,therefore they decided to allow indigenous people of British Cameroons who would rather prefer allegiance to the new country Cameroon than be under the British Nigeria colony to vote in the spirit of fairness and equity.

So to answer your question Jada was never a territory or colony of present day Cameroon and has been a Nigerian territory as at Oct 1 1960.

I hope I have made myself clear?
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by schoolboij(m): 2:37pm On Apr 15
neyobills:


Premium times is wrong and u can take that to the bank, prior to 1914 Jada was southern Nigerian protectorate,by 1916 during the 1st World War British Forces waged war against against the German colony of Kamerun and took over thus all of Kamerun became a British colony under Nigeria, in 1922 the French and British decided to to split their colonies French Cameroun and British Cameroons,British Cameroons was also a British colony under Nigeria.

In 1960 Jan French Cameroon gained independence while the colony of Nigeria and British Cameroons was to gain Independence in Oct, what would then happen to British Cameroons,therefore they decided to allow indigenous people of British Cameroons who would rather prefer allegiance to the new country Cameroon than be under the British Nigeria colony to vote in the spirit of fairness and equity.

So to answer your question Jada was never a territory or colony of present day Cameroon and has been a Nigerian territory as at Oct 1 1960.

I hope I have made myself clear?

Mr know-it-all. Why do they need a referendum to join Nigeria if they have always been part of Nigeria?

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Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by TroubleMaker47(m): 2:55pm On Apr 15
Warship:


Nnamdi Azikiwe, PC , (16 November 1904 – 11 May 1996),

Abubakar Tafawa Balewa , KBE (December 1912 – 15 January 1966)


Azikwe and Balewa weren't born Nigerians but became the first leaders of Nigeria.


APC needs to go for medical check up.
The 1991 constitution wasn't in place them.
Look. I am an Atiku fan but the truth is in a competent court. Atiku has no case going by the 1991 constitution.
But i still feel Atiku should continue the case. Because even Buhari's waec is forged!
That alone has disqualified him.
And also, worst case scenario, Atiku wins in the election case. Tambuwal who is his runner up in the PDP primaries, ascends to the throne!
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by TroubleMaker47(m): 3:03pm On Apr 15
Day2logic:
But Obama became American president
Obama was born in Hawaii in the year 1961, Hawaii became an American state in the year 1958.
If Obama was 5yrs older, he wouldn't hv been qualified assuming they hv the same constitution with Nigeria.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by TroubleMaker47(m): 3:03pm On Apr 15
Day2logic:
But Obama became American president
Obama was born in Hawaii in the year 1961, Hawaii became an American state in the year 1958.
If Obama was 5yrs older, he wouldn't hv been qualified assuming they hv the same constitutional requirements for presidency with Nigeria.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by EdiAbali: 3:13pm On Apr 15
360degreess:
Say no to Cameroonian by birth presidency..
Say no to Athiefku/Nyamiri candidacy
Say no to PDP (looters)
say yes to integrity/intellectual candidacy
Buhari till 2023.



With the rate of killings going on in the North, by next week you may not be alive to write these words again
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by neyobills: 3:21pm On Apr 15
schoolboij:


Mr know-it-all. Why do they need a referendum to join Nigeria if they have always been part of Nigeria?

In British Cameroons the major question was whether to remain with the colony Nigeria or to unite with the newly independent Republic of Cameroon because Nigeria was yet to be an independent state In a UN-supervised plebiscite in February 1961, the south decided to unite with the former French Cameroun, creating the Federal Republic of Cameroon. The north voted to join the Federation of Nigeria.

In other words French Cameroon gained independence to Cameroon in Jan 1960 before British Cameroon to Nigeria in Oct 1960 therefore indigenous people of British Cameroons had a right to choose if they wanted to continue as a British colony or would rather join a newly formed Cameroon because they had an agreement under a treaty called League of mandate nations.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by schoolboij(m): 3:34pm On Apr 15
neyobills:


In British Cameroons the major question was whether to remain with the colony Nigeria or to unite with the newly independent Republic of Cameroon because [b]Nigeria was yet to be an independent state In a UN-supervised plebiscite in February 1961, [/b]the south decided to unite with the former French Cameroun, creating the Federal Republic of Cameroon. The north voted to join the Federation of Nigeria.

In other words French Cameroon gained independence to Cameroon in Jan 1960 before British Cameroon to Nigeria in Oct 1960 therefore indigenous people of British Cameroons had a right to choose if they wanted to continue as a British colony or would rather join a newly formed Cameroon because they had an agreement under a treaty called League of mandate nations.

Nigeria was yet to be an independent state I'm 1961? Which school did you attend?
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by schoolboij(m): 3:35pm On Apr 15
TroubleMaker47:

The 1991 constitution wasn't in place them.
Look. I am an Atiku fan but the truth is in a competent court. Atiku has no case going by the 1991 constitution.
But i still feel Atiku should continue the case. Because even Buhari's waec is forged!
That alone has disqualified him.
And also, worst case scenario, Atiku wins in the election case. Tambuwal who is his runner up in the PDP primaries, ascends to the throne!

Waec itself presented a certificate to buhari. Who are you to say it is forged?
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by neyobills: 3:38pm On Apr 15
schoolboij:


Nigeria was yet to be an independent state I'm 1961? Which school did you attend?

Is it your eyes that is paining you or your brain or both I rightly stated the fact that Cameroon gained independence in January while Nigeria gained in October 1960,the plescibite been held in 1961 doesn't change the fact that Cameroon gained independence before Nigeria.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by schoolboij(m): 3:52pm On Apr 15
neyobills:


Is it your eyes that is paining you or your brain or both I rightly stated the fact that Cameroon gained independence in January while Nigeria gained in October 1960,the plescibite been held in 1961 doesn't change the fact that Cameroon gained independence before Nigeria.

The question I asked you was Jada part of Nigeria as at 1960?

Seems you sleep typing. Read what you wrote before responding to me. You don't even understand your own self. I'll leave you to your stupidity as you don't make sense. You even deny your own posts.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by neyobills: 4:13pm On Apr 15
schoolboij:


The question I asked you was Jada part of Nigeria as at 1960?

Seems you sleep typing. Read what you wrote before responding to me. You don't even understand your own self. I'll leave you to your stupidity as you don't make sense. You even deny your own posts.

How many times do I have to tell u in the affirmative that Jada was a part of Nigeria as at 1960,this confirms that's it's actually both the eyes and brain thats paining u

British Cameroons became Nigeria as at Oct 1 1960,i hope I have made myself clear and stop asking the same question over and over like a broken record
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by sapele914(m): 4:43pm On Apr 15
mr1759:
if u people believe unamdi kanu was right about Atiku,
then he is also right about buhari been a sudannis too
He who alleges must prove,where is your evidence?
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by sapele914(m): 4:49pm On Apr 15
neyobills:


How many times do I have to tell u in the affirmative that Jada was a part of Nigeria as at 1960,this confirms that's it's actually both the eyes and brain thats paining u

British Cameroons became Nigeria as at Oct 1 1960,i hope I have made myself clear and stop asking the same question over and over like a broken record

some have brains but cannot think,some can think but have no brain,which one are you?
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by saintneo(m): 5:16pm On Apr 15
NgeneUkwenu:
For the brainless IPOB miscreants here, who have been going about doing copy and paste from God knows where about APC's reply to Athiefku Petition.

Let me school you a bit here:



1. Atiku is a Citizen of Nigeria.

2. Nobody is contesting his Citizenship and that of his Jada People of Adamawa.

3. What are the ways one can become a citizen of Nigeria?
a) BY BIRTH
B) BY REGISTRATION
C) BY REFERENDUM
D) BY NATURALIZATION


4) Out of above methods, it is only a person who becomes a CITIZEN By BIRTH Is Qualified To Contest for the Office Of The President.

5. Can Athiefku and His Jada Cameroon vote and be voted for? Yes because they are Citizens of Nigeria by Referendum.

6) Can they ( Atiku and Jada Brothers) contest and be voted for up to the post of the Vice Presidency? YES because the Constitution paved way for them?

7. The question is: Did Atiku fulfill the Constitutional requirements to contest for the post of the president?

8 . The Answer is what the APC wants the Appeal court to determine, because one of the requirements is that you MUST A Citizen By BIRTH To Qualify.

9. That you are citizen of Nigeria by other means such as Referendum, Naturalization, Registration etc can only take you the office of the Vice President and not that of the President according to the 1999 Constitution we operate.

What is hard here to understand?


Nigeria started existing as Nigeria on her Independence Day - 1 October 1960; prior to this date, the contraption known as Nigeria existed as British Nigeria. Originally, British Cameroon (parts Northern and Southern parts, this distinction never existed until 1961) was administered as part of British Nigeria. Consequently, upon the Independence of Nigeria from the Britain on 1 October 1960, all parts of British Nigeria became Nigeria by default.

However, the 1961 Plebiscite provided the opportunity for the former British Cameroon to choose where to belong - Nigeria or Cameroon? The Northern part of British Cameroon chose to remain Nigerians while the Southern part of British Cameroon chose to become Cameroonians.

As a result, Atiku Abubakar (born 25 November 1946) and other citizens of similar origin are Nigerians.

Nevertheless, by your analysis if Atiku Abubakar's legitimacy to contest for the presidential election of Nigeria must be by birth as provided in the 1999 constitution requires interpretation by the court of law; then, President Muhammad Buhari's legitimacy to rule Nigeria is requires the same interpretation. Muhammad Buhari born on 17 December 1942, this makes him a citizen of British Nigeria by birth but not a citizen of Nigeria by birth.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by lielbree: 5:49pm On Apr 15
Larryndelaw:

By carrying a passport of a country does not mean that you are born in that country.A lot of people carry American passport but will never be president of America.
Is there any Nigerian law that says you must be born in Nigeria to be president?

Atikus both parents are Nigerian. He is a Nigerian. You guys should find another defence
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by cyrilamx(m): 6:18pm On Apr 15
Wallade:


Good! I am testing your knowledge and cognitive reasoning. You answered correctly, especially given your statement that I made bold and I want you to note the statement in bold alphabets.

Please answer another important question:

If I was born in Ife central local govt of Ife prior to the division of Oyo state into Oyo & Osun state. Today, if I am asked where I was born, where should I say I was born?
Going by your question, was Ife central Local govt a different legal entity apart from pre independent Nigeria? Did Ife need a plebiscite to become a component unit of Post independent Nigeria? If PDP and Atiku had seen any loophole in the constitution against PMB, they would have exploited just like they did as regarded his certificate in 2015 and even now at the tribunal even though the SC had ruled in favour of PMB.

No one is disputing this citizenship of Atiku albeit by choice but He isnt a Nigerian birth.The 1999 constitution didn't include citizenship by PLEBISCITE as qualification for the Nigerian presidency. I can't find anywhere it did. Maybe the interpreters of the constitution will tell us. Until then accompany me as a keen spectator...
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by Wallade(m): 6:34pm On Apr 15
cyrilamx:
Going by your question, was Ife central Local govt a different legal entity apart from pre independent Nigeria? Did Ife need a plebiscite to become a component unit of Post independent Nigeria? If PDP and Atiku had seen any loophole in the constitution against PMB, they would have exploited just like they did as regarded his certificate in 2015 and even now at the tribunal even though the SC had ruled in favour of PMB.

No one is disputing this citizenship of Atiku albeit by choice but He isnt a Nigerian birth.The 1999 constitution didn't include citizenship by PLEBISCITE as qualification for the Nigerian presidency. I can't find anywhere it did. Maybe the interpreters of the constitution will tell us. Until then accompany me as a keen spectator...

OK. Let me cut the chase, Atiku is a Nigerian by birth.

The fact that the 1961 Plebiscite provided the opportunity for the former British Cameroon to choose where to belong - Nigeria or Cameroon - and the Northern part of British Cameroon chose to remain Nigerians while the Southern part of British Cameroon chose to become Cameroonian made his village and state become Nigeria in effect. That means he is Nigerian by birth.

Besides, Nigeria was initially a British colony before it became Nigeria. Should we then conclude that our ancestors and all born In this land before Nigeria became a republic and independent are not Nigerians.

Atiku never had to apply for citizenship of Nigeria by referendum, naturalization or registration. He and everyone born in the former northern cameroon were all born in Nigeria especially because the village and place he was born is right here in Adamawa, Nigeria.

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Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by cyrilamx(m): 6:38pm On Apr 15
Wallade:


OK. Let me cut the chase, Atiku is a Nigerian by birth.

The fact that the 1961 Plebiscite provided the opportunity for the former British Cameroon to choose where to belong - Nigeria or Cameroon - and the Northern part of British Cameroon chose to remain Nigerians while the Southern part of British Cameroon chose to become Cameroonian made his village and state become Nigeria in effect. That means he is Nigerian by birth.

Atiku never had to apply for citizenship of Nigeria by referendum, naturalization or registration. He and everyone born in the former northern cameroon were all born in Nigeria especially because the village and place he was born is right here in Adamawa, Nigeria.
That your own interpretation and what u choking down uninformed Nigerians. sadly I am not one of them. Believe whatever you want. The judiciary will interpret the constitution....
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by Ozkar: 6:41pm On Apr 15
vacanci:


USA must also be backward when Obama's eligibility to contest presidency was challenged that he was not an American by birth even after election until he presented documents to show he was born in Hawaii. We simply need to change this constitution to allow all Nigerians contest presidency whether by birth, native or referendum.
The backwardness is not about challenging birth, it's about not being able to focus on the more important things - after the shameful elections, we'd rather argue over a citizenship that should have been argued in court before the elections.

In Obama's case, what was contested was whether he was truly born in Hawaii, not whether Hawaii qualified as part of the US. Even if Obama was born before Hawaii officially became a US state, he'd still have been a natural born US citizen. Some said the documents were forged, and that he was actually born in Kenya and taken to the US thereafter. Not even one person tried to rubbish Hawaii as not being a true part of the US despite it becoming part of the US pretty late.

Here were are trying to make citizens from a Nigerian state second-class Nigerians just to distract everyone from the real issue about election irregularities and the claim of a stolen mandate.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by Wallade(m): 6:44pm On Apr 15
cyrilamx:
That your own interpretation and what u choking down uninformed Nigerians. sadly I am not one of them. Believe whatever you want. The judiciary will interpret the constitution....

I understand, you are informed but trying to misinform Nigerians but unfortunately for you, we are wiser now.

Tell your paymasters to come up with other plans and allegations in order to nail Atiku but this joke of a card you threw on the table will not pass or fly. Just go market and pick more cards. LOL
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by vacanci: 7:16pm On Apr 15
Ozkar:

The backwardness is not about challenging birth, it's about not being able to focus on the more important things - after the shameful elections, we'd rather argue over a citizenship that should have been argued in court before the elections.

In Obama's case, what was contested was whether he was truly born in Hawaii, not whether Hawaii qualified as part of the US. Even if Obama was born before Hawaii officially became a US state, he'd still have been a natural born US citizen. Some said the documents were forged, and that he was actually born in Kenya and taken to the US thereafter. Not even one person tried to rubbish Hawaii as not being a true part of the US despite it becoming part of the US pretty late.

Here were are trying to make citizens from a Nigerian state second-class Nigerians just to distract everyone from the real issue about election irregularities and the claim of a stolen mandate.

The argument is not whether Atiku is a Nigerian or Cameroonian. He is actually a citizen if Nigeria. The question is what type of citizenship is he holding? The Constitution requires BY BIRTH which is not his case.

Why can't he clear the air himself the way it should be.

We should blame the kind if constitution we are using, which allows all elected public office holders to be citizens by any way except the president which is by birth alone. By testing it in court, it will solve alot of problems and a possible review can take care of this.

Similar thing happened in Zambia when the vice President was to take over power but was restricted by his citizenship not being by birth. They operate similar constitution like us.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by mr1759: 7:41pm On Apr 15
sapele914:
He who alleges must prove,where is your evidence?

my proof is unamdi kanu he has been very accurate in his revelations
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by Pacesetter123(m): 8:06pm On Apr 15
Day2logic:
But Obama became American president
He is American citizen by birth.
Re: Jada Atiku's Birth Place Was Part Of Northern Cameroon- Premium Times Fact Check by afroxyz: 1:33am On Apr 16
Afamed:

Stop sounding silly, the Constitution after the independent as amended has duely taken care of Zik and other nationalists Electoral position. Atiku / Appendage participation in election needs constitutional amendment to accommodate the Plebiscite
you are joker. so those in bakassi are now what? are they Nigerians or cameroonians?

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