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Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 11:28pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
sonmvayina:When you form doctrine from the old testament why wouldn't you get it all wrong. Rev 21:1-4: "Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the former heaven and the former earth were passed away and the sea is no more. And I John saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem coming down from God out of heaven, prepared like a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, Behold the tabernacle of God with men! and he will dwell with them; and they will be his people; and God himself will be with them their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes . And there shall no more be death; nor shall grief, nor screaming, nor pain be any more; for the former things are gone." |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by malvisguy212: 11:30pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
shadeyinka:thank you my good friend. the best this Muslims can do is to throw insult at us. Happy Easter friend. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 11:33pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
sonmvayina:So you think the story about Jesus is found only in the bible.!? Are you a break-away Jehovah's witness? Cause it looks like you are the one who invented a new Religion for yourself. You quote the bible, yet you assert that it is a forged document! |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 11:36pm On Apr 19, 2019 |
malvisguy212:Happy Easter. I pray that our love for our Saviour will grow beyond material things and that we'll be found faithful in Him |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by sonmvayina(m): 11:22am On Apr 20, 2019 |
shadeyinka:I never said that... God gave us laws as found in the Torah, I follow them... Not the new testament that is man's foolishness which he thinks is wisdom.... |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 11:28am On Apr 20, 2019 |
sonmvayina:I am sure you also know that if you fail in one law of the Torah you are guilty of all? Do you mix yarns in your dressings? Do you shave the corners of your haircut? Do you observe the Sabbath as the Jews would? etc. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 12:35pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
shadeyinka: I guess you should have a good say about this: cc: Empiree , Rashduct4luv: |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by sonmvayina(m): 1:50pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
shadeyinka:Says who? Stop mixing new testament with God's laws, does it mean if I commit adultery, I have also committed murder?... Okpe like you.. Follow God's laws, it endures forever.. Psalm 119. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by sonmvayina(m): 1:53pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
The laws of God (Torah) is the way, the truth and life.. Not a f+cking jesus, psalm 119 is one long poem about it.. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 3:48pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
sonmvayina:Since you seem to know the old testament, explain the following: 1. Psalm 110:1, David says, “The LORD says to my Lord: ‘Sit at my right hand, until I make your enemies your footstool Isaiah 9:6-21 6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. 7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by sonmvayina(m): 4:18pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Now I understand your problem, all you do is cut and paste.. Thereby missing the whole story and context of the message.. Read the whole story, it will become clear.... Much clearer... |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by sonmvayina(m): 4:20pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
shadeyinka: I know you went to school... So am asking you, I want a straight answer.. Do you think those are prophesies? |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 4:47pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
sonmvayina:I am not talking in terms of Prophecies. I am speaking about what you consider as the meaning. QED |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 5:47pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
sonmvayina:Please explain the scriptures in the light of the old testament what the verses are saying |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by Niyi53(m): 7:19pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by Nobody: 8:29pm On Apr 20, 2019 |
shadeyinka: But the passage you quoted didn't debunk the Christian narrative of Jesus’ death. Instead, it confirmed Jesus was raised from death. 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 7:53am On Apr 21, 2019 |
emrain:Of course! Jesus death, Resurrection and Take up to heaven is a reality. Only Allah and Muslims feel otherwise with no credible alternate narrative |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 7:55am On Apr 21, 2019 |
Niyi53:Doesn't that contradict the plain teaching of the Qur'an? |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by Niyi53(m): 6:03pm On Apr 21, 2019 |
shadeyinka: No, I do not find it contradicting the plain teaching of the Holy Quran. Rather, the plain teaching of the Holy Quran is that Eesa, the son of Mary, survived the death on the cross, and migrated East ward in search of the 10 lost tribe where he later died a natural death. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 7:01pm On Apr 21, 2019 |
Niyi53:The plain teaching of the Qur'an is that Eesa was NOT Crucified! If he wasn't crucified, how can he survive the cross? |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by Niyi53(m): 10:34pm On Apr 21, 2019 |
shadeyinka: yes, I agree he wasn't crucified... But what is the meaning of "crucify"? |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 2:11am On Apr 22, 2019 |
Niyi53:Crucifixion is a method of hanging a person by his limbs on a tree/stake with the intention of slowly killing the person. Crucifixion is a method of capital punishment in which the victim is tied or nailed to a large wooden beam and left to hang, perhaps for several days, until eventual death from exhaustion and asphyxiation. Crucifixion - Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki › Cruci... Surah 4:157 that ‘they neither killed him nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them’. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by cotmag(m): 12:25pm On Apr 22, 2019 |
Weed in Action shadeyinka: |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 12:45pm On Apr 22, 2019 |
cotmag:According to who? Every sane person know that Jesus Died on the Cross by crucifixion. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by Niyi53(m): 1:21pm On Apr 22, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Good. So how would a person who was tied/nailed to a tree/stake/large wooden beam, but was brought down while still alive, be described? What word has been designated to describe such a one because such a person was also definitely not crucified! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by Nobody: 2:41pm On Apr 22, 2019 |
Wait!!! Why is Jesus even represented in the quoran. Of what significance and importance please if not for counterfeiting? And no we don't serve same God. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 3:49pm On Apr 22, 2019 |
Niyi53:Survived Crucifixion! Sorry for you! Why? There is at least one person who was historicaly documented to have survived crucifixion. They were actually three but two of them later died from their wounds from the crucifixion Do you need a link? Google is your friend. According to you, a person who survives crucifixion was never crucified!? Try again to redefine English language. |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by Niyi53(m): 8:47pm On Apr 22, 2019 |
shadeyinka: you are telling me to redefine English language... but have you forgotten what you mentioned in your definition of crucify? Look again at the definition you gave. If intention to kill is not there it can't be described so... this is just the English language. The Arabic is even more clear on this that Jesus cannot be described as been crucified as long as the process wasn't completed. He cannot be described as "masloob" ( one crucified)! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 11:44pm On Apr 22, 2019 |
Niyi53:According to you. A person whose Crucifixion was stopped halfway was never Crucified? In every Crucifixion, there must be an intention to kill the victim slowly and painfully. Wasn't that what happened to Jesus? As per your Arabic, the crucifiers of Jesus were not Arabs: so Arabic couldn't have been a better description of anything. The Arabs were not even known for crucifying their enemies. Let me quote Josephus: a Historian during the time of Jesus There is an ancient record of one person who survived a crucifixion that was intended to be lethal, but that was interrupted.https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion In other words according to you, Josephus friends were not crucified!? SMH If they weren't Crucified, what happened to them? Find a better argument pls. Your logics is appalling! So the two friends of Josephus who died were Crucified But the one who survived was not!? I find is difficult to comprehend your Obstinate and Stupendous reasoning! |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by Niyi53(m): 6:33am On Apr 23, 2019 |
shadeyinka: Yes, the one who survived was not crucified. When the Quran says "maa solabuu hu" it doesn't mean to say that Jesus never went through the experience and that another was placed on the cross etc... No! The Holy Quran only denies the Jews failure to bring about the Death of Jesus by means of crucifixion!!! Having said that, now read the translation of the verse again: وَّقَوْلِهِمْ اِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيْحَ عِيْسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُوْلَ اللّٰهِۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوْهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوْهُ وَلٰـكِنْ شُبِّهَ لَهُمْؕ وَاِنَّ الَّذِيْنَ اخْتَلَفُوْا فِيْهِ لَفِىْ شَكٍّ مِّنْهُؕ مَا لَهُمْ بِهٖ مِنْ عِلْمٍ اِلَّا اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّۚ وَمَا قَتَلُوْهُ يَقِيْنًاۢۙ And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas they slew him not, nor crucified him, but he was made to appear to them like (one crucified); and those who differ therein are certainly in (a state of) doubt about it; they have no (definite) knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this (conjecture) into a certainty; Surah An-Nisa', Chapter: 4, verse: 158 |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by shadeyinka(m): 7:11am On Apr 23, 2019 |
Niyi53:Sorry Sir! Thats a redefinitions of the word crucifixion. You have simply redefined Crucifixion as Death instead of a method for causing death. For your information, in Simple English language there is a Difference between: A method for causing death and death itself. And there are so many methods for causing death! Some examples: Lethal Injections Strangulation Hanging Crucifixion Firing Squad Poison Drowning etc Use any of these in place of Crucifixion and redefine your Crucifixion not according to Mirza Ghulam Ahmad but use. He was neither killed nor given lethal Injections can only have one meaning. No other. Except if you think that the Qur'an was saying: "He was neither killed Nor killed...!" It's the method that causes death: and in all these methods, a distant few have been found to survive them. If Jesus was not Crucified, then the method of Crucifixion wasn't used on Him QED. Any other definition is a Deliberate DISTORTION of the plain words of Allah in the Qur'an. And their saying, ‘We did kill the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah;’ whereas [b]they slew him not , NOR crucified him , but he was made to appear to them like (one crucified); and those who differ therein are certainly in (a state of) doubt about it; they have no (definite) knowledge thereof, but only follow a conjecture; and they did not convert this (conjecture) into a certainty;[/b] If Jesus wasn't Crucified, how could it be made to look like He was Crucified? And I asked you a question: If Josephus friend that survived Crucifixion was never Crucified, what happened to him? And the two other friends that died, what did they die of? Check here for other translations of the Qur'an and tell me again that killed and Crucified mean exactly the same thing, then explain the use of the word NOR or NEITHER! https://www.islamawakened.com/quran/4/157/default.htm 1 Like |
Re: Jesus Didn't Die: He Wasn't Even Crucified On The Cross by Niyi53(m): 9:50am On Apr 23, 2019 |
shadeyinka: you asking me this ? when the Holy Quran is also saying that they follow conjectures on this issues! Know for certain that even the other translations presented have no evidence from the Quranic text that shows that a theirs person was involved. The Holy Quran never makes any form of inference to that. Yes I agree that there is difference between death and something that causes death and this.what I am also trying to draw your attention to. and my argument is that for one to be described as being crucified, the process must have been completed and result gotten. otherwise, if it falls short of that, the person cannot be described so. I hope you are a Muslim and believe in the Holy Quran.... If yes, read Quran Ch 5 Vs 4 where Allah speaks of the types of animals forbidden to us... He has used the words Munkhaniqatu, mauquuzatu, mutaraddiyatu and natiihatu. if the preliminary acts of these four categories are done but the animal still survives, would they still be considered to be forbidden? No. by using the word salaba, our attention is drawn towards the aim of the Jews. the Jews were not only aiming at hanging Jesus alone for that doesn't prove anything. Rather they want to see him die there because their law is that one who dies on the cross is an accursed of God. 1 Like 1 Share |
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