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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Johncables402: 8:27pm On Apr 26, 2019
JaceBlaze:
So you are aware of the consequences of taking land by force (as you have just pointed to the Zimbabwe situation) yet you want us to use their formula? and btw,the zim situation is not just sanctions but also the fact that they were inexperienced and still proceeded to think with their asses and made impulsive decisions,look how that turned out.It boggles the mind that most Africans that criticise everything we do still flood to our shores for a better living that they couldn't get in their respective failed countries,which just goes to show that the smart-asses aren't smart after all wink .To be "enslaved for eternity" as you put it,is better than to be literally auctioned as a slave with a chain around my neck in Libya as we have seen with your fellow Nigerians being stripped off their humanity in the most inhumane way in front of the whole world to see.

What we do with the land in question is entirely the business of South Africans and ONLY WE will choose how to go about that,the tribal divisions in your country and the senseless Kaduna killings should be your main concern.Venting your spleen on SA won't change your situation.


You are getting worked up , chill bro. We are talking about Mandela and what his decisions did to SA , when the topic arises about our fckd up leaders , quote me so I will discuss them. For now it's all about SA. So your solution is to fold your arms and continue being farm workers paid with alchohol and unwanted produce ? All because you don't want to disturb the white man's entitlement?. You are pretty slow if you don't see the Zim situation coming , your government might not be the one responsible for the upcoming uprising but the average dirt poor and desparate black SA is going to invade and grab land and in the process kill these whites , do you think then the west will spare you? cheesy. There is nowhere to hide , your government must decide or the inevitable will happen.
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 8:29pm On Apr 26, 2019
RedboneSmith:


Imhotep was more than a pyramid builder. He was a polymath. His contribution to the field of medicine, for example, was also immense. Some scholars now argue that he deserves the title of Father of Medicine more than Hippocrates.

Was he black? I don't know. I have always been skeptical about describing ancient Egyptians as black people. Sure, there were black people in Ancient Egypt even among the elite. But by and large, I believe ancient Egyptians were (as they often depicted themselves) a people of color, but not necessarily blacks or Negroes.

You are WRONG.

The ancient Egyptians were BLACKS.

Tomb Art from Ancient Egypt: (IE actual tomb art from ancient Egyptian tombs, not whitewashed drawings from western magazines and books.)



































Papyrus of Maiherpri (1400 BC)

Maiherpri was buried in a Royal Tomb in the Valley of the Kings, the royal necropolis. The mummy was unwrapped in March 1901, revealing a very dark skin with woolly hair. In Maiherperi's tomb, a papyrus was found depicting him with literally "blackish" skin. The papyrus in question was the Egyptian Book of the Dead.


THE DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE

Note: All of Africa South of the Sahara was known to the ancient Greeks as ''Ethiopia''.


Greek historian Diodorus Siculus. From his own statements we learn that he traveled in Egypt around 60 BC. His travels in Egypt probably took him as far south as the first Cataract.


"They (the Ethiopians) say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris ["King of Kings and God of Gods] having been the leader of the colony . . . they add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws."

Diodorus's declared intention to trace the origins of the cult of Osiris, alias the Greek Dionysus also commonly known by his Roman name Bacchus. The Homeric Hymn "To Dionysus" locates the birth of Dionysus in a mysterious city of Nysa "near the streams of Aegyptus" (Hesiod 287). Diodorus cites this reference as well as the ancient belief that Dionysus was the son of Ammon, king of Libya (3.68.1), and much of Book 3 of the Bibliotheka Historica is devoted to the intertwined histories of Dionysus and the god-favored Ethiopians whom he believed to be the originators of Egyptian civilization.  [emphasis added]

(1st century B.C., Diodorus Siculus of Sicily, Greek historian and contemporary of Caesar Augustus, Universal History Book III. 2. 4-3. 3)

Diodorus devoted an entire chapter of his world history, the Bibliotheke Historica, or Library of History (Book 3), to the Kushites ["Aithiopians"] of Meroe. Here he repeats the story of their great piety, their high favor with the gods, and adds the fascinating legend that they were the first of all men created by the gods and were the founders of Egyptian civilization, invented writing, and had given the Egyptians their religion and culture. (3.3.2).



"Now they relate that of all people the Aithiopians [Ethiopians] were the earliest, and say that the proofs of this are clear. That they did not arrive as immigrants but are the natives of the country and therefore rightly are called authochthonous is almost universally accepted. That those who live in the South are likely to be the first engendered by the earth is obvious to all. For as it was the heat of the sun that dried up the earth while it was still moist, at the time when everything came into being, and caused life, they say it is probable that it was the region closest to the sun that first bore animate beings".

[160,000-year-old fossilized skulls uncovered in Ethiopia are oldest anatomically modern humans.]



Diodorus continues:



"They further write that it was among them that people were first taught to honor the gods and offer sacrifices and arrange processions and festivals and perform other things by which people honor the divine. For this reason their piety is famous among all men, and the sacrifices among the Aithiopians are believed to be particularly pleasing to the divinity,"



"The Aithiopians [Ethiopians] say that the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement.The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are for the most part Aithiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Aithiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Aithiopian. Also the way the priestly colleges are organized is said to be the same in both nations. For all who have to do with the cult of the gods, they maintain, are [ritually] pure: the priests are shaved in the same way, they have the same robes and the type of scepter shaped like a plough, which also the kings have, who use tall pointed felt hats ending in a knob, with the snakes that they call the asp (aspis) coiled round them."



"There are also numerous other Aithiopian tribes [i.e. besides those centered at Meroe]; some live along both sides of the river Nile and on the islands in the river, others dwell in the regions that border on Arabia [i.e. to the east], others again have settled in the interior of Libya [i.e. to the west]. The majority of these tribes, in particular those who live along the river, have black skin, snub-nosed faces, and curly hair".

(Diodous Siculus, Bibliotheke, 3. Translated by Tomas Hagg, in Fontes Historiae Nubiorum, vol. II: From the Mid-Fifth to the First Century BC (Bergen, Norway, 1996))




Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) Greek philosopher, scientist, and tutor to Alexander the Great.

Aristotle is said to have written 150 philosophical treatises.



"Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians and so does also too white a complexion as you may see from women, the complexion of courage is between the two."

(Physiognomics, Vol. VI, 812a)



Aristotle makes reference to the hair form of Egyptians and Ethiopians: "Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair."

(Physiognomics, Book XIV, p. 317)



The evidence of Lucian (Greek writer, 125 B.C.) is as explicit as that of the previous writers. He introduces two Greeks, Lycinus and Timolaus, who start a conversation:



Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): "This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin . . . his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a freeman."



Timolaus: "But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus, All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place."

(Lucian, Navigations, paras 2-3)


Herodotus (circa 400 bc) (Known to western historians as the Father of History)


Herodotus also asserted that "the names of nearly all the gods came to Greece from Egypt . . . for the names of all the gods have been known in Egypt from the beginning of time . . . It was the Egyptians too who originated, and taught the Greeks . . . ceremonial meeting, processions and liturgies . . . The Egyptians were also the first to assign each month and each day to a particular deity, and to foretell the date of a man's birth, his character, his fortunes, and the day of his death . . . The Egyptians, too have made more use of omens and prognostics than any other nation. . ."

(Herodotus, The Histories, 149-150; 152; 159).


''There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself. After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too. But further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times.

The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learned the custom of the Egyptians. And the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbors the Macronians, say that they have recently adopted it from the Colchians. Now these are the only nations who use circumcision, and it is plain that they all imitate herein the Egyptians. With respect to the Ethiopians, indeed, I cannot decide whether they learned the practice of the Egyptians, or the Egyptians of them (it is undoubtedly of very ancient date in Ethiopia). But that the others derived their knowledge of it from Egypt is clear to me, from the fact that the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised.'' (Herodotus, The Histories, Book 2:104)


The opinion of the ancient writers on the Egyptians is more or less summed up by French Egyptologist Gaston Maspero The Dawn of Civilization (1894), when he says, "By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they [the Egyptians] belong to an African race which first settled in Ethiopia on the Middle Nile: following the course of the river they gradually reached the sea." The German scholar, Eugen Georg, in his book The Adventure of Mankind (1931) p. 121, tells us about the ". . . world-wide dominance of Ethiopian representatives of the black race. They were supreme in Africa and Asia. In upper Egypt and India they erected mighty religious centers and mastered a perfect technique in the molding of bronze --- and they even infiltrated through Southern Europe for a thousand years."

In his book Egypt, British scholar Sir E.A. Wallis Budge says: "The prehistoric native of Egypt, both in the old and in the new Stone Ages, was African and there is every reason for saying that the earliest settlers came from the South." He further states: "There are many things in the manners and customs and religions of the historic Egyptians that suggests that the original home of their prehistoric ancestors was in a country in the neighborhood of Uganda and Punt." (Some historians believe that the biblical land of Punt was in the area known on modern maps as Somalia.)




Stephanus of Byzantium, who is said to represent the opinions of the most ancient Greeks, says:

"Ethiopia was the first established country on the earth, and the Ethiopians were the first who introduced the worship of the Gods and who established laws."

Quoted by John D. Baldwin, Prehistoric Nations, p. 62.



Arnold Hermann Heeren (1760-1842), Professor of History and Politics in the University of Gottengen and one of the ablest of the early exponents of the economic interpretation of history, published, in the fourth and revised edition of his great work Ideen Uber Die Politik, Den Verkehr Und Den Handel Der Vornehmsten Volker Der Alten Weld, a lengthy essay on the history, culture, and commerce of the ancient Ethiopians, which had profound influence on contemporary writers in the conclusion that it was among these ancient Black people of Africa and Asia that international trade was first developed.

He thinks that as a by-product of these international contacts there was an exchange of ideas and cultural practices that laid the foundations of the earliest civilizations of the ancient world. Heeren in his researches says: "From the remotest times to the present, the Ethiopians have been one of the most celebrated, and yet the most mysterious of nations. In the earliest traditions of nearly all the  civilized nations of antiquity, the name of this distant people is found. The annals of the Egyptian priests are full of them, and the nations of inner Asia, on the Euphrates and Tigris, have interwoven the fictions of the Ethiopians with their traditions of the wars and conquests of their heroes; and, at a period equally remote, they glimmer in Greek mythology. When the Greeks scarcely knew Italy and Sicily by name, the Ethiopians were celebrated in the verses of their poets, and when the faint gleam of tradition and fable gives way to the clear light of history, the lustre of the Ethiopians is not diminished."


The French writer Constantin-François Volney (1757-1820), in his important work, The Ruins of Empires, extends this point of view by saying that the Egyptians were the first people to "attain the physical and moral sciences necessary to civilized life." In referring to the basis of this achievement he states further that, "It was, then, on the borders of the Upper Nile, among a Black race of men, that was organized the complicated system of worship of the stars, considered in relation to the productions of the earth and the labors of agriculture; and this first worship, characterized by their adoration under their own forms and national attributes, was a simple proceeding of the human mind."

Volney's Ruins; or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires, Boston, J. Mendum, 1869


Flora Shaw's (alias Lady Flora Lugard) book is an extraordinary look at the history of Africa, which she gathered from countless sources, and one would imagine a great deal of it came from the British Library and from the archives of The Times of London, for whom she had for many years been the Foreign Political Correspondent. She had always been known to be an intensive researcher into her subject matter, and one wonders at the months and probably years she put into this undertaking, which became the reference work for so many future books on Africa. This book was first published 100 years ago showing the detail and descriptive power, and the greatness that Africa once was. Lady Lugard argues that:


"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Ethiopians) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt. For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."


"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the tallest, most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favorites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor are full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than at that remote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, Black Classic Press (1996)


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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 8:32pm On Apr 26, 2019
#Rossikk, exactly, i agree with your analysis, Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard; both prolific writers on pro-African literature.

The" West" hate to talk about the above authors, they also wrote about the "Empire of Songhai" of the 15th and 16th century.

P/s Awesome pics above, you have an incredible repertoire.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by wirinet(m): 8:33pm On Apr 26, 2019
Johncables402:



So you are with me in saying the blacks there are screwed forever ?. Mandela missed the chance when the whole thing was still fresh ; give blacks a fair share of the land or put all of it under the state and make the whites workers not owners , just like they did in state owned companies like Sasol and the airline . Now that the blacks are skilled do you see those white devils sharing the goods ? Those entitled mofos would never do unless they are forced to , and when they get forced sanctions will still come , but if they don't force them then the generations of young educated blacks with commercial farming skills will still be farm workers like their ancestors . I don't see the whole thing working out because the younger blacks are agitating for land grabs and if care is not taken another zim will happen. Farm murders are already sky rocketing . There is no man that can watch generations of his children feeling like guests in his own home , it's only a matter of time before the Mandela mistakes haunt that country .

I thought you were not tribalistic , yet you decided to go on and generalise Igbos while conveniently painting Yorubas as some intellectuals lol. You are getting pathetic .
You are still shielding your ego (I suspect you are igbo), let go for a minute to understand my point. I never compared the actual intellect (IQ )of Yorubas to igbo. In fact in terms of actual intellectual, I think the two tribes are at par. What I am comparing is emotional reactions, and it's due to cultural differences. An igbo person is taught to say his or her mind and react instantly. A Yorubas person is taught to always conform to expectations and good optics even if they have evil intentions.

If you don't understand what I am trying to say, then leave it at that.
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Johncables402: 8:38pm On Apr 26, 2019
wirinet:

You are still shielding your ego (I suspect you are igbo), let go for a minute to understand my point. I never compared the actual intellect (IQ )of Yorubas to igbo. In fact in terms of actual intellectual, I think the two tribes are at par. What I am comparing is emotional reactions, and it's due to cultural differences. An igbo person is taught to say his or her mind and react instantly. A Yorubas person is taught to always conform to expectations and good optics even if they have evil intentions.

If you don't understand what I am trying to say, then leave it at that.

Nonsensical post. Many of the Yorubas I know behave very emotional without even thinking of the consequences . You are simple an anti igbo bigot . Yes, some Igbos might be hot tempered but there also many who are strategists.
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 8:38pm On Apr 26, 2019
uchenageme:


I did not make any references to the Bible. The book I referenced is a research work by the author and not anything related to the Bible. You seem very judgemental.

Not judgemental but being truthful.

Ah! And i see what you did there. You are correct, you didnt make mention of the bible. I apologise.
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 8:43pm On Apr 26, 2019
Amujale:
#Rossikk, exactly, i agree with your analysis, Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard; both prolific writers on pro-African literature.

The" West" hate to talk about the above authors, they also wrote about the "Empire of Songhai" of the 15th and 16th century.

Isn't it funny how Nigerians idolize whites, yet their own colonial governor-general's wife, was telling the world that the Africans gave them civilization?

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by RedboneSmith(m): 8:46pm On Apr 26, 2019
Rossikk:


You are WRONG.

The ancient Egyptians were BLACKS.

Tomb Art from Ancient Egypt: (IE actual tomb art from ancient Egyptian tombs, not whitewashed drawings from western magazines and books.)



































THE DOCUMENTARY EVIDENCE

Note: All of Africa South of the Sahara was known to the ancient Greeks as ''Ethiopia''.


Greek historian Diodorus Siculus. From his own statements we learn that he traveled in Egypt around 60 BC. His travels in Egypt probably took him as far south as the first Cataract.


"They (the Ethiopians) say also that the Egyptians are colonists sent out by the Ethiopians, Osiris ["King of Kings and God of Gods] having been the leader of the colony . . . they add that the Egyptians have received from them, as from authors and their ancestors, the greater part of their laws."

Diodorus's declared intention to trace the origins of the cult of Osiris, alias the Greek Dionysus also commonly known by his Roman name Bacchus. The Homeric Hymn "To Dionysus" locates the birth of Dionysus in a mysterious city of Nysa "near the streams of Aegyptus" (Hesiod 287). Diodorus cites this reference as well as the ancient belief that Dionysus was the son of Ammon, king of Libya (3.68.1), and much of Book 3 of the Bibliotheka Historica is devoted to the intertwined histories of Dionysus and the god-favored Ethiopians whom he believed to be the originators of Egyptian civilization.  [emphasis added]

(1st century B.C., Diodorus Siculus of Sicily, Greek historian and contemporary of Caesar Augustus, Universal History Book III. 2. 4-3. 3)

Diodorus devoted an entire chapter of his world history, the Bibliotheke Historica, or Library of History (Book 3), to the Kushites ["Aithiopians"] of Meroe. Here he repeats the story of their great piety, their high favor with the gods, and adds the fascinating legend that they were the first of all men created by the gods and were the founders of Egyptian civilization, invented writing, and had given the Egyptians their religion and culture. (3.3.2).



"Now they relate that of all people the Aithiopians [Ethiopians] were the earliest, and say that the proofs of this are clear. That they did not arrive as immigrants but are the natives of the country and therefore rightly are called authochthonous is almost universally accepted. That those who live in the South are likely to be the first engendered by the earth is obvious to all. For as it was the heat of the sun that dried up the earth while it was still moist, at the time when everything came into being, and caused life, they say it is probable that it was the region closest to the sun that first bore animate beings".

[160,000-year-old fossilized skulls uncovered in Ethiopia are oldest anatomically modern humans.]



Diodorus continues:



"They further write that it was among them that people were first taught to honor the gods and offer sacrifices and arrange processions and festivals and perform other things by which people honor the divine. For this reason their piety is famous among all men, and the sacrifices among the Aithiopians are believed to be particularly pleasing to the divinity,"



"The Aithiopians [Ethiopians] say that the Egyptians are settlers from among themselves and that Osiris was the leader of the settlement.The customs of the Egyptians, they say, are for the most part Aithiopian, the settlers having preserved their old traditions. For to consider the kings gods, to pay great attention to funeral rites, and many other things, are Aithiopian practices, and also the style of their statues and the form of their writing are Aithiopian. Also the way the priestly colleges are organized is said to be the same in both nations. For all who have to do with the cult of the gods, they maintain, are [ritually] pure: the priests are shaved in the same way, they have the same robes and the type of scepter shaped like a plough, which also the kings have, who use tall pointed felt hats ending in a knob, with the snakes that they call the asp (aspis) coiled round them."



"There are also numerous other Aithiopian tribes [i.e. besides those centered at Meroe]; some live along both sides of the river Nile and on the islands in the river, others dwell in the regions that border on Arabia [i.e. to the east], others again have settled in the interior of Libya [i.e. to the west]. The majority of these tribes, in particular those who live along the river, have black skin, snub-nosed faces, and curly hair".

(Diodous Siculus, Bibliotheke, 3. Translated by Tomas Hagg, in Fontes Historiae Nubiorum, vol. II: From the Mid-Fifth to the First Century BC (Bergen, Norway, 1996))




Aristotle (384-322 B.C.E.) Greek philosopher, scientist, and tutor to Alexander the Great.

Aristotle is said to have written 150 philosophical treatises.



"Too black a hue marks the coward as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians and so does also too white a complexion as you may see from women, the complexion of courage is between the two."

(Physiognomics, Vol. VI, 812a)



Aristotle makes reference to the hair form of Egyptians and Ethiopians: "Why are the Ethiopians and Egyptians bandy-legged? Is it because the bodies of living creatures become distorted by heat, like logs of wood when they become dry? The condition of their hair supports this theory; for it is curlier than that of other nations, and curliness is as it were crookedness of the hair."

(Physiognomics, Book XIV, p. 317)



The evidence of Lucian (Greek writer, 125 B.C.) is as explicit as that of the previous writers. He introduces two Greeks, Lycinus and Timolaus, who start a conversation:



Lycinus (describing a young Egyptian): "This boy is not merely black; he has thick lips and his legs are too thin . . . his hair worn in a plait behind shows that he is not a freeman."



Timolaus: "But that is a sign of really distinguished birth in Egypt, Lycinus, All freeborn children plait their hair until they reach manhood. It is the exact opposite of the custom of our ancestors who thought it seemly for old men to secure their hair with a gold brooch to keep it in place."

(Lucian, Navigations, paras 2-3)


Herodotus (circa 400 bc) (Known to western historians as the Father of History)


Herodotus also asserted that "the names of nearly all the gods came to Greece from Egypt . . . for the names of all the gods have been known in Egypt from the beginning of time . . . It was the Egyptians too who originated, and taught the Greeks . . . ceremonial meeting, processions and liturgies . . . The Egyptians were also the first to assign each month and each day to a particular deity, and to foretell the date of a man's birth, his character, his fortunes, and the day of his death . . . The Egyptians, too have made more use of omens and prognostics than any other nation. . ."

(Herodotus, The Histories, 149-150; 152; 159).


''There can be no doubt that the Colchians are an Egyptian race. Before I heard any mention of the fact from others, I had remarked it myself. After the thought had struck me, I made inquiries on the subject both in Colchis and in Egypt, and I found that the Colchians had a more distinct recollection of the Egyptians, than the Egyptians had of them. Still the Egyptians said that they believed the Colchians to be descended from the army of Sesostris. My own conjectures were founded, first, on the fact that they are black-skinned and have woolly hair, which certainly amounts to but little, since several other nations are so too. But further and more especially, on the circumstance that the Colchians, the Egyptians, and the Ethiopians, are the only nations who have practised circumcision from the earliest times.

The Phoenicians and the Syrians of Palestine themselves confess that they learned the custom of the Egyptians. And the Syrians who dwell about the rivers Thermodon and Parthenius, as well as their neighbors the Macronians, say that they have recently adopted it from the Colchians. Now these are the only nations who use circumcision, and it is plain that they all imitate herein the Egyptians. With respect to the Ethiopians, indeed, I cannot decide whether they learned the practice of the Egyptians, or the Egyptians of them (it is undoubtedly of very ancient date in Ethiopia). But that the others derived their knowledge of it from Egypt is clear to me, from the fact that the Phoenicians, when they come to have commerce with the Greeks, cease to follow the Egyptians in this custom, and allow their children to remain uncircumcised.'' (Herodotus, The Histories, Book 2:104)


The opinion of the ancient writers on the Egyptians is more or less summed up by French Egyptologist Gaston Maspero The Dawn of Civilization (1894), when he says, "By the almost unanimous testimony of ancient historians, they [the Egyptians] belong to an African race which first settled in Ethiopia on the Middle Nile: following the course of the river they gradually reached the sea." The German scholar, Eugen Georg, in his book The Adventure of Mankind (1931) p. 121, tells us about the ". . . world-wide dominance of Ethiopian representatives of the black race. They were supreme in Africa and Asia. In upper Egypt and India they erected mighty religious centers and mastered a perfect technique in the molding of bronze --- and they even infiltrated through Southern Europe for a thousand years."

In his book Egypt, British scholar Sir E.A. Wallis Budge says: "The prehistoric native of Egypt, both in the old and in the new Stone Ages, was African and there is every reason for saying that the earliest settlers came from the South." He further states: "There are many things in the manners and customs and religions of the historic Egyptians that suggests that the original home of their prehistoric ancestors was in a country in the neighborhood of Uganda and Punt." (Some historians believe that the biblical land of Punt was in the area known on modern maps as Somalia.)




Stephanus of Byzantium, who is said to represent the opinions of the most ancient Greeks, says:

"Ethiopia was the first established country on the earth, and the Ethiopians were the first who introduced the worship of the Gods and who established laws."

Quoted by John D. Baldwin, Prehistoric Nations, p. 62.



Arnold Hermann Heeren (1760-1842), Professor of History and Politics in the University of Gottengen and one of the ablest of the early exponents of the economic interpretation of history, published, in the fourth and revised edition of his great work Ideen Uber Die Politik, Den Verkehr Und Den Handel Der Vornehmsten Volker Der Alten Weld, a lengthy essay on the history, culture, and commerce of the ancient Ethiopians, which had profound influence on contemporary writers in the conclusion that it was among these ancient Black people of Africa and Asia that international trade was first developed.

He thinks that as a by-product of these international contacts there was an exchange of ideas and cultural practices that laid the foundations of the earliest civilizations of the ancient world. Heeren in his researches says: "From the remotest times to the present, the Ethiopians have been one of the most celebrated, and yet the most mysterious of nations. In the earliest traditions of nearly all the  civilized nations of antiquity, the name of this distant people is found. The annals of the Egyptian priests are full of them, and the nations of inner Asia, on the Euphrates and Tigris, have interwoven the fictions of the Ethiopians with their traditions of the wars and conquests of their heroes; and, at a period equally remote, they glimmer in Greek mythology. When the Greeks scarcely knew Italy and Sicily by name, the Ethiopians were celebrated in the verses of their poets, and when the faint gleam of tradition and fable gives way to the clear light of history, the lustre of the Ethiopians is not diminished."


The French writer Constantin-François Volney (1757-1820), in his important work, The Ruins of Empires, extends this point of view by saying that the Egyptians were the first people to "attain the physical and moral sciences necessary to civilized life." In referring to the basis of this achievement he states further that, "It was, then, on the borders of the Upper Nile, among a Black race of men, that was organized the complicated system of worship of the stars, considered in relation to the productions of the earth and the labors of agriculture; and this first worship, characterized by their adoration under their own forms and national attributes, was a simple proceeding of the human mind."

Volney's Ruins; or, Meditation on the Revolutions of Empires, Boston, J. Mendum, 1869


Flora Shaw's (alias Lady Flora Lugard) book is an extraordinary look at the history of Africa, which she gathered from countless sources, and one would imagine a great deal of it came from the British Library and from the archives of The Times of London, for whom she had for many years been the Foreign Political Correspondent. She had always been known to be an intensive researcher into her subject matter, and one wonders at the months and probably years she put into this undertaking, which became the reference work for so many future books on Africa. This book was first published 100 years ago showing the detail and descriptive power, and the greatness that Africa once was. Lady Lugard argues that:


"When the history of Negroland comes to be written in detail, it may be found that the kingdoms lying towards the eastern end of Sudan (classical home of Ancient Ethiopians) were the home of races who inspired, rather than of races who received, the tradition of civilization associated for us with the name of ancient Egypt. For they cover on either side of the Upper Nile between the latitudes of ten degrees and seventeen degrees, territories in which are found monuments more ancient than the oldest Egyptian monuments. If this should prove to be the case and civilized world be forced to recognize in a black people the fount of its original enlightenment, it may happen that we shall have to revise entirely our view of the black races, and regard those who now exist as the decadent representatives of an almost forgotten era, rather than as the embryonic possibility of an era yet to come."


"The fame of the ancient Ethiopians (ancient Kushites) was widespread in ancient history. Herodotus described them as the tallest, most beautiful and long-lived of the human races, and before Herodotus, Homer, in even more flattering language, described them as the most just of men, the favorites of the gods. The annals of all the great early nations of Asia Minor are full of them. The Mosaic records allude to them frequently; but while they are described as the most powerful, the most just, and the most beautiful of the human race, they are constantly spoken of as Black, and there seems to be no other conclusion to be drawn than at that remote period of history, the leading race of the Western World was a Black race."

Lady Lugard/Flora Shaw Lugard, Asa G. Hilliard, III, A Tropical Dependency: An Outline of the Ancient History of the Western Sudan With an Account of the Modern Settlement of Northern Nigeria, Black Classic Press (1996)


http://wysinger.homestead.com/blackegypt101.html

When I saw you were contributing here I knew it was a matter of time before my little comment got a mention.

Anyway, this is an argument I have had several times since joining NL, and I have gotten rather weary of it. I have seen how Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves and I have seen how they depict other Africans from further south. I don't need to be a racial anthropologist to figure out that for the most part they perceived and depicted themselves as racially distinct from people south of them. I have equally seen mummified remains of members of their elite; only a few of them who are of Nubia descent show clear Negro pedigree. If Rameses II was alive today, no system of racial taxonomy would classify him as black.

But you believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 8:47pm On Apr 26, 2019
For all those who think Africans were illiterate barbaric savages with no writing, till they were 'rescued' by whites a few hundred years ago, please explain the Papyrus of Maherperi, dated to 1400 BC - at least 500 years before Greece, the first white empire.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 8:49pm On Apr 26, 2019
Rossikk:


Isn't it funny how Nigerians idolize whites, yet their own colonial governor-general's wife, was telling the world that the Africans gave them civilization?

Exactly, while the rest of the Eurocentrics are busy creating fairy tales, the governor-generals wife was embarking in investigative journalism on the truth about African history.

Thank God for people like them to have had the nerve to tell the truth about Africas undeniable influence on Western civilization and that Africans ultimately are responsible for modernity as we know it; amidst insurmountable pressure.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 8:50pm On Apr 26, 2019
Rossikk:
For all those who think Africans were illiterate barbaric savages with no writing, till they were 'rescued' by whites a few hundred years ago, please explain the Papyrus of Maherperi, dated to 1400 BC - at least 500 years before Greece, the first white empire.


Teach!


With great reference to your findings above, Africa owns the first known literate communities on the planet.

Presently, African historians and academics have discovered in all sorts of locations, ancient written text belonging to various African communities. U.N.E.S.C.O is aware of these discoveries.

Contrary to what most Eurocentric and Arab scholars assume, most mainland Africans are infact probably born literate. According to African linguistics, more scripts have been discovered in Africa than America , Asia & Europe combined.

Totaly nine major African scripts are presently discovered not includng Arabic e.g Akan, Meroitic, the above txt (hieroglyphics)e.t.c . More than anywhere else.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 8:52pm On Apr 26, 2019
RedboneSmith:


When I saw you were contributing here I knew it was a matter of time before my little comment got a mention.

Anyway, this is an argument I have had several times since joining NL, and I have gotten rather weary of it. I have seen how Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves and I have seen how they depict other Africans from further south. I don't need to be a racial anthropologist to figure out that for the most part they perceived and depicted themselves as racially distinct from people south of them. I have equally seen mummified remains of members of their elite; only a few of them who are of Nubia descent show clear Negro pedigree. If Rameses II was alive today, no system of racial taxonomy would classify him as black.

But you believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.

Dude, I just SHOWED YOU how Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves - as blacks.

The pictures YOU have seen elsewhere are whitewashed, fraudulent, garbage shiit by the same colonialists who knocked off the noses from these statues and artefacts to disguise their negroid features.

The same colonialists who portrayed Egyptians as white blondes in movies like Ten Commandments, where Moshe (Moses) is played by white boy Charlton Heston.

The same colonialists who portrayed bible figures like Jesus and Mary as white blondes even though the earliest European christians depicted those same figures as BLACKS. (See black madonna images on Google)

Stop letting those racists mess with your head.

The ancient Israelites, like the ancient Egyptians, were blacks.

Amos 9 : 7

''Are ye not as children of the Ethiopians unto me, O children of Israel? saith the Lord.''

Zephaniah 3:10-12 King James Version

''From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.''


''Beyond the rivers of Ethiopia'' (ie the Nile) is directly WEST and CENTRAL Africa.

WE are the ''dispersed''.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by RedboneSmith(m): 9:04pm On Apr 26, 2019
Amujale:


They depicted themselves as black Africans.

Actually they did not. Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves distinct from everyone around them. They depicted Libyans (North African Berbers) and Western Asians as white. They depicted themselves as reddish brown and they depicted black Africans as black. When depicting Africans they often emphasize their facial prognosthicism and hair type. Almost as if to say, This people look nothing like us.

Below is an Ancient Egyptian painting showing a Libyan, a Nubia (black African) a Canaanite (Western Asian) and an Egyptian.

Everyone knows Herodotus and some other classic writers inferred that Egyptians were black. I will take their word, but I will also place it next to other forms of evidence (mummies, sculptures and painting, etc) to see how it checks out. As it is, I do not think the classic writers were entirely correct, neither do I think they were entirely wrong. There were a lot of Nubians in Egypt. Some became high ranking officials, some became queens. Heck, some became pharaohs. An important question to ask is: What the Herodotus and his some of his countrymen, was it true of the whole land of Egypt or was it more relevant to Nubia-Egyptian communities they were exposed to. If all the other forms of evidence are anything to go by, I would say the latter.

But like I already said to the last guy, believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 9:06pm On Apr 26, 2019
RedboneSmith:


Actually they did not. Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves distinct from everyone around them. They depicted Libyans (North African Berbers) and Western Asians as white. They depicted themselves as reddish brown and they depicted black Africans as black. When depicting Africans they often emphasize their facial prognosthicism and hair type. Almost as if to say, This people look nothing like us.

Below is an Ancient Egyptian painting showing a Libyan, a Nubia (black African) a Canaanite (Western Asian) and an Egyptian.

Everyone knows Herodotus and some other classic writers inferred that Egyptians were black. I will take their word, but I will also place it next to other forms of evidence (mummies, sculptures and painting, etc) to see how it checks out. As it is, I do not think the classic writers were entirely correct, neither do I think they were entirely wrong. There were a lot of Nubians in Egypt. Some became high ranking officials, some became queens. Heck, some became pharaohs. An important question to ask is: What the Herodotus and his some of his countrymen, was it true of the whole land of Egypt or was it more relevant to Nubia-Egyptian communities they were exposed to. If all the other forms of evidence are anything to go by, I would say the latter.

But like I already said to the last guy, believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.


That is royally incorrect. Any one with an iotta of common sense cannot deny the fact that ancient Egyptians are black.

The above painting is a "fraud" probably commisioned by Eurocentrics like Alexander "the not so great" and the Ptolemy Dynasty.


According to African history, Ancient Egypt betrayed Africa and got eaten up by the combined forces of Asia and Europe.

Mainland Africa refused to defend KM.T because of their stupendous betrayal. Instead of facing inwards and paying back their dues to the continentals that created KM.T in the first place, they instead chose to befriend the Asians and Europeans; so much so that Ancient Egypt sided with the enemy and launch countless failed attempts to conquer the mainland thanks to the people of modern day Sudan who fought and won all and every attempt.

Asia and Europe controlled Ancient Egypt far back 800 B.C.E so they had ample time to try and re-create their version of African history i.e the fraudulent picture you peddle; however the truth will always eventually OUT.

And the truth is out, everyone living in the world during the heights of the Ancient Egyptians clearly tell us tbat they are black and African. Some called them Nubia, Ethopian or simply black and African.


They depicted themselves as black African

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by babzo(m): 9:17pm On Apr 26, 2019
prince3009:


The exact words of an ignoramus who doesn't have an answer to a straight question!

Mr man, ANYONE who insults General Ojokwu that he was a coward or Chief Awolowo that he died of rat poison is a bastard. Cowardice will be their portion and rat poison will be their quota.

I cant blame them when they dont know who their fathers were or point to their fathers house in the village. Thats the portion of bastards.
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by JaceBlaze: 9:18pm On Apr 26, 2019
Johncables402:



You are getting worked up , chill bro. We are talking about Mandela and what his decisions did to SA , when the topic arises about our fckd up leaders , quote me so I will discuss them. For now it's all about SA. So your solution is to fold your arms and continue being farm workers paid with alchohol and unwanted produce ? All because you don't want to disturb the white man's entitlement?. You are pretty slow if you don't see the Zim situation coming , your government might not be the one responsible for the upcoming uprising but the average dirt poor and desparate black SA is going to invade and grab land and in the process kill these whites , do you think then the west will spare you? cheesy. There is nowhere to hide , your government must decide or the inevitable will happen.
Am getting worked up because I'm punching holes into your shallow and backward logic? then I gladly embrace the labelling.I'm glad you said "what his decisions have done for SA",which now becomes strange that a person complaining about his decisions is someone from faaar away west Africa.How has his decisions triggered your bitterness as a Nigerian?

I was hoping you'd be the one to tell what the west will do when your self-prophesied "land uprising" occurs in SA,huh? Mr ill-wishing prophet of doom? wink

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by TheIkoro(m): 9:25pm On Apr 26, 2019
I believe a reflection of the type of values that Nigerians in particular (and that black people in general) have is that the first black man to ever win a Nobel Prize in absolutely any field has not been mentioned even once in any of the comments I've thus far come across. Also that the only Yoruba politician that had nothing to do with the characteristically Yoruba irresponsibility of weeding, wining, and womanising, is mentioned on this pages almost only with derision.

Of course, I am completely certain that not one of you all know them both to be Nigerians.
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by uchenageme(m): 9:28pm On Apr 26, 2019
RedboneSmith:


Actually they did not. Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves distinct from everyone around them. They depicted Libyans (North African Berbers) and Western Asians as white. They depicted themselves as reddish brown and they depicted black Africans as black. When depicting Africans they often emphasize their facial prognosthicism and hair type. Almost as if to say, This people look nothing like us.

Below is an Ancient Egyptian painting showing a Libyan, a Nubia (black African) a Canaanite (Western Asian) and an Egyptian.

Everyone knows Herodotus and some other classic writers inferred that Egyptians were black. I will take their word, but I will also place it next to other forms of evidence (mummies, sculptures and painting, etc) to see how it checks out. As it is, I do not think the classic writers were entirely correct, neither do I think they were entirely wrong. There were a lot of Nubians in Egypt. Some became high ranking officials, some became queens. Heck, some became pharaohs. An important question to ask is: What the Herodotus and his some of his countrymen, was it true of the whole land of Egypt or was it more relevant to Nubia-Egyptian communities they were exposed to. If all the other forms of evidence are anything to go by, I would say the latter.

But like I already said to the last guy, believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.

Today we know the major races in the world. So according to your hypothesis which race do the ancient Egyptians belong to? Or are you suggesting that their kinds have gone into extinction and no longer exist in today's society?
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by uchenageme(m): 9:28pm On Apr 26, 2019
RedboneSmith:


Actually they did not. Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves distinct from everyone around them. They depicted Libyans (North African Berbers) and Western Asians as white. They depicted themselves as reddish brown and they depicted black Africans as black. When depicting Africans they often emphasize their facial prognosthicism and hair type. Almost as if to say, This people look nothing like us.

Below is an Ancient Egyptian painting showing a Libyan, a Nubia (black African) a Canaanite (Western Asian) and an Egyptian.

Everyone knows Herodotus and some other classic writers inferred that Egyptians were black. I will take their word, but I will also place it next to other forms of evidence (mummies, sculptures and painting, etc) to see how it checks out. As it is, I do not think the classic writers were entirely correct, neither do I think they were entirely wrong. There were a lot of Nubians in Egypt. Some became high ranking officials, some became queens. Heck, some became pharaohs. An important question to ask is: What the Herodotus and his some of his countrymen, was it true of the whole land of Egypt or was it more relevant to Nubia-Egyptian communities they were exposed to. If all the other forms of evidence are anything to go by, I would say the latter.

But like I already said to the last guy, believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.

Today we know the major races in the world. So according to your hypothesis, which race do the ancient Egyptians belong to? Or are you suggesting that their kinds have gone into extinction and no longer exist in today's society?
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 9:31pm On Apr 26, 2019
RedboneSmith:


Actually they did not. Ancient Egyptians depicted themselves distinct from everyone around them. They depicted Libyans (North African Berbers) and Western Asians as white. They depicted themselves as reddish brown and they depicted black Africans as black. When depicting Africans they often emphasize their facial prognosthicism and hair type. Almost as if to say, This people look nothing like us.

Below is an Ancient Egyptian painting showing a Libyan, a Nubia (black African) a Canaanite (Western Asian) and an Egyptian.

Everyone knows Herodotus and some other classic writers inferred that Egyptians were black. I will take their word, but I will also place it next to other forms of evidence (mummies, sculptures and painting, etc) to see how it checks out. As it is, I do not think the classic writers were entirely correct, neither do I think they were entirely wrong. There were a lot of Nubians in Egypt. Some became high ranking officials, some became queens. Heck, some became pharaohs. An important question to ask is: What the Herodotus and his some of his countrymen, was it true of the whole land of Egypt or was it more relevant to Nubia-Egyptian communities they were exposed to. If all the other forms of evidence are anything to go by, I would say the latter.

But like I already said to the last guy, believe what you believe while I believe what I believe.




Can you see the tricks these people use?

Where did that picture come from? Certainly not an actual 4,000 year old tomb in Egypt, or it wouldn't be looking so neat and pristine.

Have you asked yourself where that picture came from, before you posted it? Why not use your brain and ask yourself, ''how come the (dodgy) pictures meant to sell us a white Egypt are always so neat looking and new? Who drew them, and when?''

And you drop just ONE dodgy picture from goodness knows where, and run away.

Do you have anything close to the scores of pics I posted from actual Egyptian tombs?

Why is this one picture supposed to override all those pics I posted INCLUDING dozens of ancient eyewitness accounts regarding the BLACKNESS of the Egyptians?

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 9:37pm On Apr 26, 2019
Rossikk:


Can you see the tricks these people use?

Where did that picture come from? Certainly not an actual 4,000 year old tomb in Egypt, or it wouldn't be looking so neat and pristine.

Have you asked yourself where that picture came from, before you posted it? Why not use your brain and ask yourself, ''how come the (dodgy) pictures meant to sell us a white Egypt are always so neat looking and new? Who drew them, and when?''

And you drop just ONE dodgy picture from goodness knows where, and run away.

Do you have anything close to the scores of pics I posted from actual Egyptian tombs?




Its 100% a fraud, the original picture is in the first page of " The Book of Coming forth by Day and Night" by Maulana Karenga.

I dont know where they got that fake wall painting from, the works they try to bastardise is the original wall painting straight from Rameses the third. As depicted here.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 9:40pm On Apr 26, 2019
Amujale:


Its 100% a fraud, the original picture is in the first page of " The Book of Coming forth by Day and Night" by Maulana Karenga.


Of course it's a fraud. I've known about that pic for ages. It is one of the 2 or 3 pics that the ''Egypt was white'' brigade always pull out from their backsides whenever they're being ass whupped with 100+ images of black Egypt.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by LeoFish92(m): 9:41pm On Apr 26, 2019
hermesprogidy:

Leave that young man alone. Tupac was well ahead of his time when it came to music and lyrics in fact one of the smartest and deepest lyricists the world will ever find. People seem to forget he was only 21 years old when he passed on.

Make una dey fear God as una dey spread wrong information to the public.

2pac was 25 years old when he was gunned down.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 9:41pm On Apr 26, 2019
Rossikk:


Of course it's a fraud. I've known about that pic for ages. It is one of the 2 or 3 pics that the ''Egypt is white'' brigade always pull out from their assess whenever they're being ass whupped with 100+ images of black Egypt.

Totally agree with you.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 9:50pm On Apr 26, 2019
Amujale:



That is royally incorrect. Any one with an iotta of common sense cannot deny the fact that ancient Egyptians are black.

The above painting is a "fraud" probably commisioned by Euricentrics like Alexander "the not so great" and the Ptolemy Dynasty.


According to African history, Ancient Egypt betrayed Africa and got eaten up by the combined forces of Asia and Europe.

Mainland Africa refused to defend KM.T because of their stupendous betrayal. Instead of facing inwards and paying back their dues to the continentals that created KM.T in the first place, they instead chose to befriend the Asians and Europeans; so much so that Ancient Egypt sided with the enemy and launch countless failed attempts to conquer the mainland thanks to the people of modern day Sudan who fought and won all and every attempt.

Asia and Europe controlled Ancient Egypt far back 800 B.C.E so they had ample time to try and re-create their version of African history i.e the fraudulent picture you peddle; however the truth will always eventually OUT.

And the truth is out, everyone living in the world during the heights of the Ancient Egyptians clearly tell us tbat they are black and African. Some called them Nubia, Ethopian or simply black and African.


They depicted themselves as black African

True. They actually NAMED and CALLED their country Kemet, meaning ''the land of blacks''. Modern Eurocentric 'scholars' claim that Kemet meant ''black sand, not black people''. Truly sick people, honestly.

I think the Egyptian betrayal of Africa had to do primariiy with the mulatto population that grew there following invasions by the Assyrians and others, from around 700 BC, which resulted in much racial mixing via intermarriage. The mulattoes favoured their dominant white rapis.t fathers over their subjugated black mothers, and when they gained pharaonic power through marrying into royal African families, they began implementing policies that favoured.... outsiders. More whites then came in, and bred with the Egyptians, such that by the start of the AD era, Egypt was a mulatto country and blacks were no longer seen as 'authentic' Egyptians, but as 'Niubians'. Then afterwards the Greeks invaded, and finally the Arabs, in 700 AD, with each invasion leading to a large influx of foreigners. That is why Egypt is 'white' today.

But dynastic Egypt of 4000 BC to 800 BC, the Egypt of the pyramid and temple building era, was all black.

By the time of the foreign invasions of Egypt starting with the Assyrians, the pyramids were already ancient ruins.

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 9:56pm On Apr 26, 2019
uchenageme:


Today we know the major races in the world. So according to your hypothesis, which race do the ancient Egyptians belong to? Or are you suggesting that their kinds have gone into extinction and no longer exist in today's society?


It is widely accepted among African historians that the Yoruba (alongside the Edo, Ibo, Hausa and Fulani type) are among the many ethnic groups that built Kemet (ancient Egypt); other groups coming from modern day Ethiopia, Niger, Benin, Chad, Cameroon, Ghana, Togo, Mali, Sudan and many other regions in West Africa and other regions on the continent.

The building of Egypt by Africans from different regions of the continent was the African Dream for a many millennia.

The train from South of The Sahara rolled towards Khemet , collecting new recruits from various different ethnic groups all the way to Sudan.

Here the ancient Africans from all around the continent drew up their plan to build what was to later become the cornerstone of European and Asian civilisations like Greek, Roman, Persian, Arabian e.t.c. and also, modern civilisation owes its rapid financial, ideological and technological success solely to Africa.


The Ancient Egyptians betrayed the mainland and ran into all sorts of problems.

Just as previous post suggest, Kemet was the name the ancient Egyptian gave their land before European war mongers began to plunder the ancient sacred sites in search of gold and unbelievable treasures; later renaming it Egypt.

The ancient Egyptians buried their Pharaohs with amazing treasure chest, Europeans, Persians and Arabs heard of these stories of limitless gold and lost all their senses; desecrating and plundering everything in their sight; fighting themselves over
treasures.

The present day Egyptians are the reminders of those crazy thoughtless expeditions. An agressive invasion that later settled on the land as conquerors.
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 10:03pm On Apr 26, 2019
uchenageme:

... Or are you suggesting that their kinds have gone into extinction and no longer exist in today's society?


As in, indigenous Egyptians, also known as the Ancient Egyptians, also known as the original people of the land of KMT (Khemet) have been gradually virtually and steadily wiped out of existence by agressive foreign invaders going back to 800 B.C.E.

There are probably a mere fraction that survives today.

The Ancient Egyptians betrayed the mainland so much so that they refused to share the cultivation of our own hard earned knowledge and philosophies and instead chose to teach Asia and Europe (initially it was self-inflicting, although later it was under duress) and the rest is committed to history.
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Rossikk(m): 10:10pm On Apr 26, 2019
Amujale:



As in, indigenous Egyptians, also known as the Ancient Egyptians, also known as the original people of the land of KMT (Khemet) have been gradually virtually and steadily wiped out of existence by agressive foreign invaders going back to 800 B.C.E.

There are probably a mere fraction that survives today.

There's an Igbo term, ''Kem mgbe'', meaning 'since when....', and which can also mean ''a very long time ago''.

I think it's a lost meaning term referencing ancient Kemet. Turned around, it says ''Mgbe Kem'' meaning ''During the era/time of Kem..''

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Nobody: 11:08pm On Apr 26, 2019
Rossikk:


There's an Igbo term, ''Kem mgbe'', meaning 'since when....', and which can also mean ''a very long time ago''.

I think it's a lost meaning term referencing ancient Kemet. Turned around, it says ''Mgbe Kem'' meaning ''During the era/time of Kem..''
Are you trolling
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by IronGalaxy: 11:12pm On Apr 26, 2019
JaceBlaze:
Good to see a Nairalander that thinks rationally.
a rare sight indeed

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Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Amujale(m): 11:16pm On Apr 26, 2019
TheIkoro:
I believe a reflection of the type of values that Nigerians in particular (and that black people in general) have is that the first black man to ever win a Nobel Prize in absolutely any field has not been mentioned even once in any of the comments I've thus far come across. Also that the only Yoruba politician that had nothing to do with the characteristically Yoruba irresponsibility of weeding, wining, and womanising, is mentioned on this pages almost only with derision.

Of course, I am completely certain that not one of you all know them both to be Nigerians.


The first black man to be in receipt of the prestigious "Noble Prize" is Ralph Bunche.

Ralph Bunche received the Noble Peace Prize in 1950;

followed by Albert John Luthuli Noble Peace Prize1960;

followed by Martin Luther Jnr the youngest black male Noble Peace Prize winner in 1964;

followed by W.Arthur Lewis Noble Prize in Economic Sciences 1979;

followed by Desmond Tutu Noble Peace Prize 1984;

followed by Wole Soyinka, first black man, first black person to win the Noble Prize for Literature; winning in 1986;

fast forward...e.t.c ...

Wangari Maathai first black woman and first enviromentalist to win a Noble Prize; Noble Peace Prize 2004;

followed by Barak Obama Noble Peace Prize 2009;

followed by the joint recipients of the 2011 Noble Peace Prize, Ellen Johnson Sirleaf and Leymah Gbowee, respectively.

followed by Denis Mukwe Noble Peace Prize 2018.

In my opinion Ralph Bunch doesnt deserve to on the list mainly because he won as a result of his expertise in creating the fabled organisation known as the "United Nations". Much of his great achievements are unAfrican or anti-African; nothing that favours or elevates Africa or the people of Africa.

If you are refering to Wole Shoyinka then he doesnt qualify for the same reason Barak Obama doesnt qualify; inconclusive; because they are both young and living legends and have so much more to give us still.
Re: Who Do You Think Is The Most Influential Black Man To Have Ever Lived ? by Blankstare(m): 11:26pm On Apr 26, 2019
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