"His body shall not remain overnight on the TREE, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is HANGED is ACCURSED of God (Deuteronomy 21:23).

From the Biblical verse quoted above, it is very clear that anyone that is HANGED on a tree (i:e died on a cross) is under the CURSE of God.

Yet despite this evil omen attached to dying on the cross, the Christians still believe that Jesus was crucified and died on the cross.

Hence, the Christians believe that Jesus was once ACCURSED by God. Even Paul confirmed this very belief and he wrote as follows ; "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us :for it is written, “CURSED is everyone who HANGS on a tree" (Galatians 3:13).

However, this very doctrine (i: e putting a righteous and innocent son under the CURSE of His own merciful and omnipotent Father) is self contradictory and repugnant to human reasoning.

Before the advent of Christianity, nobody would believe or imagine that such a doctrine can even exist. It is totally foreign and contradictory to our logical reasoning for God of love, mercy and justice to put an innocent and righteous soul under His curse for any reason whatsoever. This is the reason why the message of atonement through Jesus crucifixion was a STUMBLING BLOCK to the Jews and FOOLISHNESS to the Gentiles during the lifetime of Paul ( see 1st Corinthians 1:23).

However, Paul managed to write some verses in an attempt to solve this problem of logical contradiction inherent in this very doctrine. Such verses are as follows:
"The natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him; he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned" (1st Corinthians 2:14).
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing (1st Corinthians 1:18).
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men (1st Corinthians 1:25).
This is the reason why many Christians ignore the obvious logical problem associated with the doctrine of “an innocent and righteous son who was placed under the curse of his own merciful and omnipotent Father”.

Therefore, base on the verses quoted above, Paul has succeeded in making the Christians to think that a fundamental spiritual doctrine which is completely foolish to our logical reasoning could actually be a great wisdom in the sight of God. But if Paul's assertion is really true, why would God of reason ( see Isaiah 1:18) ask a natural man to believe and accept a fundamental spiritual doctrine that cannot be understood by him ( see 1st Corinthians 2:14 quoted above) and completely foolish to his logical reasoning especially when that reasoning is the ONLY INSTRUMENT at his disposal to recognize that true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities?

If there is only one spirituality in the entire world of human being, then Paul may be right in his claim. But there are many spiritualities like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Confucianism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Baha’ism, Taoism and Sikhism. Since each of these spiritualities is claiming to be on the right path, it is now left for any natural man to use the only instrument ( i:e his logical reasoning) given to him by God to recognize the true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities. This is exactly the reason why God must design the true spirituality in such a way that all its basic and fundamental doctrines would not be in conflict with the basic logical reasoning He bestowed upon a natural man. A fundamental true spiritual doctrine may support or be neutral to basic logical reasoning bestowed upon natural man; but they will never be in conflict with each other. How could true spirituality designed by God and basic logical reasoning originated from the same God be in conflict with each other? If they can be in conflict with each other, then how can a natural man decide whether to accept or reject a true spiritual faith in the midst of many fake spiritual faiths?

Have you now seen how Paul got it wrong by asserting that “the natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him”? Is true spirituality not meant to be accepted and embraced by natural man? Now that it is foolishness to him; how is he going to accept and embrace it?

To see further that Paul is wrong in his claim; suppose you are invited by a friend to accept a religious faith that is very rich in spirituality. But one of its unique and fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly is that you have to believe that God MUST commit an act of LYING ( i:e to deliberately say something that is false ) for a short period of time in order for God to achieve a particular target (May God be Exalted and glorified above such behavior). Now consider the following questions;
1. Would you just accept such faith because of its spiritual richness or reject it because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning?
2. Would you not ask about the actual connections that exist between tha particular target and the act of lying that must be committed by God before the target can be achieved?
3. Would you not ask why All- knowing and Omnipotent God decided, at first instance, to give preference for such irrational way of LYING over many rational ways He can design and create from His infinite knowledge and unlimited power to achieve that particular target?
4. Would you just accept that the way of such a LYING God is higher and complex than your way ?
5. Would you just fold your arms and accept that the foolishness of such a LYING God is wiser than the wisdom of all men (see 1st Corinthians 1:25 quoted above )?

Now ponder over the five questions cited above and then tell me the difference between this imaginary faith which proclaim that God MUST commit an act of LYING for a short period of time in order for God to achieve a particular target and the Christian faith which also proclaim that God MUST CURSE (see Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23 quoted above ) an innocent and righteous soul (like Jesus Christ) for a short period of time on the cross of Calvary in order for God to achieve a particular target (like solving the problem of sin with humanity or rescuing the humanity from bondage of Satan).

Therefore, if you reject this imaginary faith because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning, then you must also reject Christianity since the two faiths are telling us to believe the exact opposite of what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. As God is naturally known to ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH AND NEVER TO COMMIT AN ACT OF LYING for any particular target; He is also naturally known to ALWAYS BLESS AND NEVER TO CURSE AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL for any particular target.
God may allow an innocent and righteous soul to SUFFER (I:e to be physically condemned) for one reason or the other. But God would never CURSE( i:e to spiritually condemn) an innocent and righteous soul (like Jesus Christ) for any reason whatsoever; even for a shortest period of time.
In fact, Paul himself knew very well that it is totally IRRATIONAL to believe that Jesus was ACCURSED by God. This is the reason why he contradicts his original submission (in Galatians 3:13 quoted above) by saying again in another place ; "Therefore, I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus ACCURSED !” (1st Corinthians 12:3).
Yet the ONLY WAY for Jesus not to become "accursed" was for him NOT to die on the cross since it is clearly written in the the same Bible that EVERYONE that is crucified is accursed by God (Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13 ).

As we have pointed above, the doctrine of a merciful, omnipotent and omniscient God who cursed his only righteous and innocent son on the cross of Calvary in order for Him to achieve a particular target is totally in conflict with what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. This is because a god (or the Father) who could not devise any rational way to achieve a particular target except to 'CURSE' his only innocent and righteous son is either not truly merciful or not truly omnipotent or not truly omniscient. Yet to believe in the existence of such a god is one of the fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly for you to become a serious and devoted Christian.

Therefore, there is need for God to send another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross ( see Qur’an 4:157-158).

In this way, the "curse of God" associated with any one that is crucified and died on a cross according to the Jewish law (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was removed from the head of our beloved and innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to be taken away from him in THREE different consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44.

Therefore, an illogical idea of God putting an innocent and righteous soul under His curse on a cross of Calvary in order for God to achieve a particular target (like solving the problem of sin with humanity) is far away from the truth.

The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.

truthlover:

"His body shall not remain overnight on the TREE, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is HANGED is ACCURSED of God (Deuteronomy 21:23).

From the Biblical verse quoted above, it is very clear that anyone that is HANGED on a tree (i:e died on a cross) is under the CURSE of God.

Yet despite this evil omen attached to dying on the cross, the Christians still believe that Jesus was crucified and died on the cross.

Hence, the Christians believe that Jesus was once ACCURSED by God. Even Paul confirmed this very belief and he wrote as follows ; "Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us :for it is written, “CURSED is everyone who HANGS on a tree" (Galatians 3:13).

However, this very doctrine (i: e putting a righteous and innocent son under the CURSE of His own merciful and omnipotent Father) is self contradictory and repugnant to human reasoning.

Before the advent of Christianity, nobody would believe or imagine that such a doctrine can even exist. It is totally foreign and contradictory to our logical reasoning for God of love, mercy and justice to put an innocent and righteous soul under His curse for any reason whatsoever. This is the reason why the message of atonement through Jesus crucifixion was a STUMBLING BLOCK to the Jews and FOOLISHNESS to the Gentiles during the lifetime of Paul ( see 1st Corinthians 1:23).

However, Paul managed to write some verses in an attempt to solve this problem of logical contradiction inherent in this very doctrine. Such verses are as follows:
"The natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him; he cannot understand them because they are spiritually discerned" (1st Corinthians 2:14).
For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing (1st Corinthians 1:18).
Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men (1st Corinthians 1:25).
This is the reason why many Christians ignore the obvious logical problem associated with the doctrine of “an innocent and righteous son who was placed under the curse of his own merciful and omnipotent Father”.

Therefore, base on the verses quoted above, Paul has succeeded in making the Christians to think that a fundamental spiritual doctrine which is completely foolish to our logical reasoning could actually be a great wisdom in the sight of God. But if Paul's assertion is really true, why would God of reason ( see Isaiah 1:18) ask a natural man to believe and accept a fundamental spiritual doctrine that cannot be understood by him ( see 1st Corinthians 2:14 quoted above) and completely foolish to his logical reasoning especially when that reasoning is the ONLY INSTRUMENT at his disposal to recognize that true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities?

If there is only one spirituality in the entire world of human being, then Paul may be right in his claim. But there are many spiritualities like Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Confucianism, Jainism, Zoroastrianism, Baha’ism, Taoism and Sikhism. Since each of these spiritualities is claiming to be on the right path, it is now left for any natural man to use the only instrument ( i:e his logical reasoning) given to him by God to recognize the true spirituality in the midst of many fake spiritualities. This is exactly the reason why God must design the true spirituality in such a way that all its basic and fundamental doctrines would not be in conflict with the basic logical reasoning He bestowed upon a natural man. A fundamental true spiritual doctrine may support or be neutral to basic logical reasoning bestowed upon natural man; but they will never be in conflict with each other. How could true spirituality designed by God and basic logical reasoning originated from the same God be in conflict with each other? If they can be in conflict with each other, then how can a natural man decide whether to accept or reject a true spiritual faith in the midst of many fake spiritual faiths?

Have you now seen how Paul got it wrong by asserting that “the natural man does not receive the things of the spirit, for they are foolishness to him”? Is true spirituality not meant to be accepted and embraced by natural man? Now that it is foolishness to him; how is he going to accept and embrace it?

To see further that Paul is wrong in his claim; suppose you are invited by a friend to accept a religious faith that is very rich in spirituality. But one of its unique and fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly is that you have to believe that God MUST commit an act of LYING ( i:e to deliberately say something that is false ) for a short period of time in order for God to achieve a particular target (May God be Exalted and glorified above such behavior). Now consider the following questions;
1. Would you just accept such faith because of its spiritual richness or reject it because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning?
2. Would you not ask about the actual connections that exist between tha particular target and the act of lying that must be committed by God before the target can be achieved?
3. Would you not ask why All- knowing and Omnipotent God decided, at first instance, to give preference for such irrational way of LYING over many rational ways He can design and create from His infinite knowledge and unlimited power to achieve that particular target?
4. Would you just accept that the way of such a LYING God is higher and complex than your way ?
5. Would you just fold your arms and accept that the foolishness of such a LYING God is wiser than the wisdom of all men (see 1st Corinthians 1:25 quoted above )?

Now ponder over the five questions cited above and then tell me the difference between this imaginary faith which proclaim that God MUST commit an act of LYING for a short period of time in order for God to achieve a particular target and the Christian faith which also proclaim that God MUST CURSE (see Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23 quoted above ) an innocent and righteous soul (like Jesus Christ) for a short period of time on the cross of Calvary in order for God to achieve a particular target (like solving the problem of sin with humanity or rescuing the humanity from bondage of Satan).

Therefore, if you reject this imaginary faith because of its foolishness to your logical reasoning, then you must also reject Christianity since the two faiths are telling us to believe the exact opposite of what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. As God is naturally known to ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH AND NEVER TO COMMIT AN ACT OF LYING for any particular target; He is also naturally known to ALWAYS BLESS AND NEVER TO CURSE AN INNOCENT AND RIGHTEOUS SOUL for any particular target.
God may allow an innocent and righteous soul to SUFFER (I:e to be physically condemned) for one reason or the other. But God would never CURSE( i:e to spiritually condemn) an innocent and righteous soul (like Jesus Christ) for any reason whatsoever; even for a shortest period of time.
In fact, Paul himself knew very well that it is totally IRRATIONAL to believe that Jesus was ACCURSED by God. This is the reason why he contradicts his original submission (in Galatians 3:13 quoted above) by saying again in another place ; "Therefore, I want you to understand that no one speaking by the Spirit of God calls Jesus ACCURSED !” (1st Corinthians 12:3).
Yet the ONLY WAY for Jesus not to become "accursed" was for him NOT to die on the cross since it is clearly written in the the same Bible that EVERYONE that is crucified is accursed by God (Deuteronomy 21:23, Galatians 3:13 ).

As we have pointed above, the doctrine of a merciful, omnipotent and omniscient God who cursed his only righteous and innocent son on the cross of Calvary in order for Him to achieve a particular target is totally in conflict with what we naturally know about God through our logical reasoning. This is because a god (or the Father) who could not devise any rational way to achieve a particular target except to 'CURSE' his only innocent and righteous son is either not truly merciful or not truly omnipotent or not truly omniscient. Yet to believe in the existence of such a god is one of the fundamental doctrines you must embrace wholeheartedly for you to become a serious and devoted Christian.

Therefore, there is need for God to send another prophet to remove this negative and bad picture of God from the minds of the general humanity. This is one of the many reasons why Qur’an was revealed by God to Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). In the Holy Qur’an, God removed this negative and bad impression from the minds of the people by declaring that, in a miraculous way, Jesus escaped death on the cross ( see Qur’an 4:157-158).

In this way, the "curse of God" associated with any one that is crucified and died on a cross according to the Jewish law (Galatians 3:13, Deuteronomy 21:23) was removed from the head of our beloved and innocent prophet called Jesus Christ (peace be upon him). This is exactly in line with the prayer of Jesus to God in the garden of Gethsemane when he asked for this “cup of condemnation” to be taken away from him in THREE different consecutive times as stated clearly in Matthew 26:36-44.

Therefore, an illogical idea of God putting an innocent and righteous soul under His curse on a cross of Calvary in order for God to achieve a particular target (like solving the problem of sin with humanity) is far away from the truth.

The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.

Muslims can lie ...

This Op reminds me of my Statistics lecturer who happens to be an Edo Muslim.

There's no point in questioning things that are beyond your understanding. You can't understand the bible with carnal knowledge. That is why a scripture would give a thousand or more interpretations.

My lecturer said Christ death demystified God. Why would God allow his son to be killed by men according to the bible when he's God? He forgot that after his death, there was a resurrection. He also forgot that dying was one of Christ's mission on earth. He was not killed by accident.

Now, I don't see a difference BTW the op's point and my lectuerers point. Seems you Muslims are taught in mosque while Mohammed is better than Christ. On the contrary, we don't even have the time to discuss Islam in church.

Now back to the op, I know there are spiritual leaders who have PHD in the bible. The Likes of Chris Oyakhilome. I don't believe you know the bible more than him. Wonder why Freeze has never mentioned him in his posts?

Having said that, isn't Mohammed a man? Why should I take a man, a mere mortal whose knowledge is limited seriously?

Shelumiel:
Muslims can lie ...

That's what they do best. They dedicate time to read the bible just to look for faults.

My lecturer even said Judas should have been celebrated for betraying Jesus 'cause he later realized he did bad and was sober. This is coming from a PHD holder. He'll leave lectures and digress to talk about Christ in a class where 99% are Christians. We have only two Muslim students in my class, while we are over 150.

Talk about Mohammed and they'll all go violent. We just ignore him. According to him, we don't always have to open our mouth to talk when people are talking rubbish.

The problem most people have is that if they ask a Christianity people that which religion did God recognize they will it's there religion the same thing is applicable to muslims but go to many organization today in this country this two religion are the problem and the problem is that most of us practicing this religion are not doing it in a way it suppose to be both the Bible and quran said love your neighbor as yourself but reverse is the case and any religion that you are practicing that you don't love your neighbor my brother you are deceiving yourself instead of doing this we are now looking at the mistake of this books

truthlover:

The fact that the Holy Qur’an is the only religious book on earth that remove this negative and bad impression about God from the minds of the general humanity is a very great indicator that the book could never have come from no other person except God Himself.

The Quran is a religious book, the Bible is spiritual book.

This right there is the only reason the Quran and Bible can never be compared - they are from different sources. The Bible is divinely inspired and can only be understood through divine inspiration. Such divine inspiration can only come from God's Spirit, not from satanic spirits. Satanic spirits can only appeal to the soul senses directly through the mind and feelings but God's inspiration comes from within the regenerated spirit before the mind and emotions can be placed in the right perspective to understand and contain His Word.

You don't need to discredit something you have no iota of understanding about just to prove your carnal points. My friend, YOU NEED A SPIRITUALLY RENEWED MIND TO UNDERSTAND THE BIBLE. ONLY JESUS CHRIST CAN GIVE YOU THAT.

Shelumiel:
Muslims can lie ...

Where are the lies in the write up?

Candiesramah:
This Op reminds me of my Statistics lecturer who happens to be an Edo Muslim.

There's no point in questioning things that are beyond your understanding. You can't understand the bible with carnal knowledge. That is why a scripture would give a thousand or more interpretations.

Why is the Bible beyond human knowledge? Didn't God g8ve us intellects to reason with what us around us. Are you a goat that is only created for its meat? Obviously, we are only created to worship our Lord and Creator. Do you think God can make us do things that we can't comprehend? What interpretation does the scriptures give? Is it English to English interpretation or Greek to English interpretation?

My lecturer said Christ death demystified God. Why would God allow his son to be killed by men according to the bible when he's God? He forgot that after his death, there was a resurrection. He also forgot that dying was one of Christ's mission on earth. He was not killed by accident.

I can't even sense any demystification in the death, if I can't comprehend the death and resurrection as you claimed with my God given brain. Until I possess some spirituality in me. I th8nk you misused the word "demytification". If the power of God is to be demystified, He should just forgive everyone at a time and there won't be a need for some9ne to be put to death for other people's sin.

Now, I don't see a difference BTW the op's point and my lectuerers point. Seems you Muslims are taught in mosque while Mohammed is better than Christ. On the contrary, we don't even have the time to discuss Islam in church.

There are many differences, I guess you didn't read the post very well. Allah says about the believers: ..."We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers"... Quran 2 verse 285 So we didn't say Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is better than Prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) rather we only want to clear the confusion caused by Paul the Antichrist in the original religion of Jesus(peace be upon him).

Now back to the op, I know there are spiritual leaders who have PHD in the bible. The Likes of Chris Oyakhilome. I don't believe you know the bible more than him. Wonder why Freeze has never mentioned him in his posts?

Having said that, isn't Mohammed a man? Why should I take a man, a mere mortal whose knowledge is limited seriously?

Jesus is also a man as proved in the Bible which you also know. If he's not a man then what is he?

iamgenius:
Where are the lies in the write up?

Pick up your bible and Quran and study . Fool

iamgenius:

Why is the Bible beyond human knowledge? Didn't God g8ve us intellects to reason with what us around us. Are you a goat that is only created for its meat? Obviously, we are only created to worship our Lord and Creator. Do you think God can make us do things that we can't comprehend? What interpretation does the scriptures give? Is it English to English interpretation or Greek to English interpretation?

I can't even sense any demystification in the death, if I can't comprehend the death and resurrection as you claimed with my God given brain. Until I possess some spirituality in me. I th8nk you misused the word "demytification". If the power of God is to be demystified, He should just forgive everyone at a time and there won't be a need for some9ne to be put to death for other people's sin.


There are many differences, I guess you didn't read the post very well. Allah says about the believers: ..."We make no distinction between one and another of His Messengers"... Quran 2 verse 285 So we didn't say Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is better than Prophet Jesus(peace be upon him) rather we only want to clear the confusion caused by Paul the Antichrist in the original religion of Jesus(peace be upon him).
Jesus is also a man as proved in the Bible which you also know. If he's not a man then what is he?

Islam has in REALITY elevated Mohamed above all other prophets.
Moslems just do not want to admit it
see:
https://www.nairaland.com/5173731/islam-all-mohamed#78174007

sagenaija:


Islam has in REALITY elevated Mohamed above all other prophets.
Moslems just do not want to admit it
see:
https://www.nairaland.com/5173731/islam-all-mohamed#78174007

you say prophet ? Muhammad is Allah. https://www.nairaland.com/3785536/two-gods-islam