LordReed:


Then its existence is in doubt.

no one had ever seen a black hole before until recently but they believed it anyways. it is the same thing God asks, besides he wants to try him with his words

titigenius:

no one had ever seen a black hole before until recently but they believed it anyways. it is the same thing God asks, besides he wants to try him with his words

Not even in the same ballpark. Yes nobody had seen a black hole before but when it was first hypothesized it was done by calculations so there was no need to believe anything. Then they began to find evidence that supported the calculations that's how they knew where to look and where to point the "cameras". Where is the evidence that supports the existence of a god? Where can we point our camera to take a photo of the God or maybe an angel or even a demon?

LordReed:


Not even in the same ballpark. Yes nobody had seen a black hole before but when it was first hypothesized it was done by calculations so there was no need to believe anything. Then they began to find evidence that supported the calculations that's how they knew where to look and where to point the "cameras". Where is the evidence that supports the existence of a god? Where can we point our camera to take a photo of the God or maybe an angel or even a demon?

God is not found out by calculations but by faith, i have nothing further to say concerning this seeing we are both convinced of our faiths. I only pray all men would one day realise the truth

titigenius:

God is not found out by calculations but by faith, i have nothing further to say concerning this seeing we are both convinced of our faiths. I only pray all men would one day realise the truth

You have faith in the god and other spirits, I don't. Neither do I have faith in science, it doesn't require faith.

Yes let us all see the god, Jesus is said to be coming right?

In 39 years of Christian Experience, I have never seen any Spirit of any variety- nor have I wanted to.

Such visions change your life in ways you do not want them changed, unless you are several Coke Bottles short of a full crate.

When I learned the Technique for LUCID DREAMING, I became Conscious in my Dream, and as I was minding my own business, SOMEONE or SOMETHING ran Past my Dreaming Body and SAID something I do not want to repeat here. (It was a Movie Quote, and nothing terrible- I just believe it is nobody's business to know what the Voice said.)

I immediately halted my Experiments in Dreaming: I believed that I had learned enough for my current situation.

The Technique Worked: what more did I need to know?

[See: THE ART OF DREAMING, by Carlos Castaneda.]

. LUKE 14:31-35.

31. "Or what king,
going to make war against another king,
sitteth not down first,
and consulteth whether he be able
with ten thousand to meet him
that cometh against him
with twenty thousand?
32. "Or else,
while the other is yet a great way off,
he sendeth an ambassage,
and desireth conditions of peace.
33. "So likewise,
whosoever he be of you
that forsaketh not all that he hath,
he cannot be my Disciple.
34. "Salt is good:
but if the salt have lost his savour,
wherewith shall it be seasoned?
35. "It is neither fit for the land,
nor yet for the dunghill;
but men cast it out.
He that hath ears to hear,
let him hear."

IF YOU ARE INTELLIGENT, YOU DO NOT TRY TO SEE SPIRITS, NOR ASK SOMEONE TO SEE SPIRITS ON YOUR BEHALF.

To challenge someone to send Spirits to you- so that you can inspect beings who have been around since before your Ethnic Group even had a Name- is the height of foolishness.

i always warn people about such things mr oaroloye, thank God you stopped.

No, I haven't. The existence of such have been thoroughly debunked time and time again.

MISHIGAS!

titigenius:
i always warn people about such things mr oaroloye, thank God you stopped.

YOU speak from ignorance and from cowardice.

I stopped my exploration of the Spiritual Realms, not because of danger to myself, but if I were to continue, I should have to deliver God's Judgment to the Devils- and if I had to judge THEM, I should have had to judge people like YOU.

This would get ugly.

I didn't want to be That Guy any more.

That wasn't what I signed up for as a Christian.

We are truly in the age of aquarius. The age of enlightenment. Everyone will start asking questions about everything they have been told or taught.

oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



YOU speak from ignorance and from cowardice.

I stopped my exploration of the Spiritual Realms, not because of danger to myself, but if I were to continue, I should have to deliver God's Judgment to the Devils- and if I had to judge THEM, I should have had to judge people like YOU.

This would get ugly.

I didn't want to be That Guy any more.

That wasn't what I signed up for as a Christian.

ignorant i may be but i know spiritual experiences are not activated by man but god gives or allows it according to his will any practice by man to try to reach out to the other world is pure necromancy. And cowardice is running from truth

MisterKings:
We are truly in the age of aquarius. The age of enlightenment. Everyone will start asking questions about everything they have been told or taught.

thats the true path to knowledge my friend, it doesnt matter what you think you know ask questions

titigenius:

ignorant i may be but i know spiritual experiences are not activated by man but god gives or allows it according to his will any practice by man to try to reach out to the other world is pure necromancy. And cowardice is running from truth

Can you show any Scriptures to back up your position?

Of course not. You are preaching Colonial Theology meant to keep us enslaved.

. GENESIS 17:1-27.

AND when Abram was ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared unto Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a father of many nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called 'Abram,'
but thy name shall be 'Abraham;'
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee exceeding fruitful,
and I will make nations of thee,
and kings shall come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee in their generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee.
8. "And I will give unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee,
the land wherein thou art a stranger,
all the land of Canaan,
for an Everlasting Possession;
and I will be their God.”

9. And God said unto Abraham,

" Thou shalt keep My Covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee in their generations.
10. "This is My Covenant,
which ye shall keep,
between Me and you and thy seed after thee;

'EVERY MAN CHILD AMONG YOU
SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.'

11. "And ye shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin;
and it shall be a Token of The Covenant
betwixt Me and you.
12. "And he that is eight days old
shall be circumcised among you
every man child in your generations,
he that is born in the house,
or bought with money of any stranger,
which is not of thy seed.
13. "He that is born in thy house,
and he that is bought with thy money,
must needs be circumcised:
and My Covenant shall be in your flesh
for an Everlasting Covenant.
14. "And the uncircumcised man child
whose flesh of his foreskin is not circumcised,
that soul shall be cut off from his people;
he hath broken My Covenant."

15. And God said unto Abraham,

"As for Sarai thy wife,
thou shalt not call her name 'Sarai,'
but 'Sarah' shall her name be.
16. "And I will bless her,
and give thee a son also of her:
yea, I will bless her,
and she shall be a mother of nations;
kings of people shall be of her."

17. Then Abraham fell upon his face,
and laughed,
and said in his heart,

"Shall a child be born unto him
that is an hundred years old?
and shall Sarah,
that is ninety years old,
bear?"

18. And Abraham said unto God,

"O that Ishmael might live before Thee!"

19. And God Said,

"Sarah thy wife
shall bear thee a son indeed;
and thou shalt call his name 'Isaac:'
and I will establish My Covenant with him
for an Everlasting Covenant,
and with his seed after him.
20. "And as for Ishmael,
I have heard thee:
Behold, I have Blessed him,
and will make him fruitful,
and will multiply him exceedingly;
twelve princes shall he beget,
and I will make him a great nation.
21. "But My Covenant
will I establish with Isaac,
which Sarah shall bear unto thee
at this set time in the next year."

22. And he left off talking with him,
and God went up from Abraham.
23. And Abraham took Ishmael his son,
and all that were born in his house,
and all that were bought with his money,
every male among the men of Abraham's house;
and circumcised the flesh of their foreskin
in the selfsame day,
as God had Said unto him.
24. And Abraham was ninety years old and nine,
when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
25. And Ishmael his son was thirteen years old,
when he was circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin.
26. In the selfsame day was Abraham circumcised,
and Ishmael his son.
27. And all the men of his house,
born in the house,
and bought with money of the stranger,
were circumcised with him.

ACTIVATION OF DIVINE POWER BEGINS WITH CIRCUMCISION.

An Uncircumcised person trying to approach God is definitely asking for trouble.

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy Might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee this Day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them diligently
unto thy Children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest in thine house,
and when thou walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

GOD IS SERVED WITH MAXIMUM EFFORT USE OF ALL FACULTIES.

The sort of lackadaisical efforts you have been using will not cut it.

THIS IS THE CORE SECRET OF POWER WITH GOD.

. JOSHUA 1:8.

8. "This Book of The Law
shall not depart out of thy mouth
but thou shalt meditate therein day and night,
that thou mayest do
according to all that is written therein:
for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous,
and then thou shalt have Good success."

. PSALM 1:1-6.

BLESSED is the man
that walketh not in The Counsel of the Ungodly,
nor standeth in The Way of Sinners,
nor sitteth in The Seat of the Scornful.
2. But his delight is in The Law of The LORD;
and in His Law doth he meditate day and night.
3. And he shall be like a tree
planted by the rivers of water,
that bringeth forth his fruit in his season;
his leaf also shall not wither;
and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper.
4. The Ungodly are not so:
but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.
5. Therefore the Ungodly shall not stand in the Judgment,
nor Sinners in the Congregation of the Righteous.
6. For The LORD knoweth The Way of the Righteous:
but the Way of the Ungodly shall perish.

. PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies are my meditation.
100. I understand more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts I get Understanding:
therefore I hate every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

HOW DARE YOU SLANDER THE SERVANTS OF GOD, AND CALL THEM "NECROMANCERS!"

You LIAR and COWARD.

Lord Yeshua well described your ilk, and predicted your fate.

. LUKE 19:11-27.

11. And as they heard these things,
he added and spake a Parable,
because he was nigh to Jerusalem,
and because they thought
that The Kingdom of God should immediately appear.
12. He said therefore,

"A certain nobleman went into a far country
to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return.
13. And he called his ten servants,
and delivered them ten pounds,
and said unto them,

'OCCUPY TILL I COME.'

14. "But his citizens hated him,
and sent a message after him,
saying,

'WE WILL NOT HAVE THIS MAN
TO REIGN OVER US.'

15. "And it came to pass,
that when he was returned,
having received the kingdom,
then he commanded these servants
to be called unto him,
to whom he had given the money,
that he might know how much
every man had gained by trading.
16. "Then came the first,
saying,

'LORD, THY POUND HATH GAINED TEN POUNDS.'

17. "And he said unto him,

'WELL, THOU GOOD SERVANT:
BECAUSE THOU HAST BEEN
FAITHFUL IN A VERY LITTLE,
HAVE THOU AUTHORITY
OVER TEN CITIES.'

18. "And the second came,
saying,

'LORD, THY POUND HATH GAINED FIVE POUNDS.'

19. "And he said likewise to him,

'BE THOU ALSO OVER FIVE CITIES.'

20. "And another came,
saying,

'LORD, BEHOLD, HERE IS THY POUND,
WHICH I HAVE KEPT LAID UP IN A NAPKIN:
21. 'FOR I FEARED THEE,
BECAUSE THOU ART AN AUSTERE MAN:
THOU TAKEST UP
THAT THOU LAYEDST NOT DOWN,
AND REAPEST THAT
THOU DIDST NOT SOW.'

22. "And he saith unto him,

'OUT OF THINE OWN MOUTH
WILL I JUDGE THEE,
THOU WICKED SERVANT.
THOU KNEWEST THAT
I WAS AN AUSTERE MAN,
TAKING UP THAT I LAID NOT DOWN,
AND REAPING THAT I DID NOT SOW:
23. 'WHEREFORE THEN GAVEST NOT THOU
MY MONEY INTO THE BANK,
THAT AT MY COMING
I MIGHT HAVE
REQUIRED MINE OWN
WITH USURY?'

24. "And he said unto them that stood by,

'TAKE FROM HIM THE POUND,
AND GIVE IT TO HIM
THAT HATH TEN POUNDS.'

25. "[And they said unto him,

'LORD, HE HATH TEN POUNDS.]'
26. 'FOR I SAY UNTO YOU,

"THAT UNTO EVERY ONE WHICH HATH
SHALL BE GIVEN;
AND FROM HIM THAT HATH NOT,
EVEN THAT HE HATH
SHALL BE TAKEN AWAY FROM HIM."

27. 'BUT THOSE MINE ENEMIES,
WHICH WOULD NOT
THAT I SHOULD REIGN OVER THEM,
BRING HITHER,
AND SLAY THEM BEFORE ME.' "

MisterKings:
But I just want to ask us if we have ever seen either Angels or Demons. I am not asking if you believe or if you saw in your dream, I am asking if you have seen with your eyes. Dont quote bible or Quran. If you have seen either, please narrate in the comment section below.

I see what you mean with your question, but you are making a fundamental mistake.

Seeking to see a spirit with the human eyes is as impossible as hearing a sound with the tongue. As the tongue is effective to perceive tastes but not sounds, the eye is effective to perceive light within a certain range from red to blue color.

Anything below infrared and beyond ultraviolet can't be perceived by the human eyes.

If spirits exist and are not made of matter within the range detectable by natural eyes, then it is impossible for the eyes to see them.

If you therefore want to investigate the matter, you will have to use other tools or organs that are likely to detect the level of vibration spirits are allegedly made of.

He who says, has not seen, he who has seen cannot say....

MisterKings:
Seriously I would really like to know if any nairalander has ever seen a demon, ghost, spirit or witch even an angel from heaven with your 2 naked eyes or are we just assuming things.

The reason I ask is this...Christians that are always praying devil die die die...calling so called principalities and powers to fall and die etc. Have they ever seen one before or they just assume someone is after them from the village.

I have never ever seen one before neither have I seen an angel. I just believe that when I pray the person who made the sun to rise in the east and set in the west everyday for the past billion years....answers my prayers somehow.

Sure, God exists because that can be the only explanation for the creation we see all around which also means that if he (or she) exists there should be something or someone who is opposite of him. Because everything in life is made that way. This is my personal belief.

There is day and there is night
There is woman and there is man
There is life and there is death
There is food and there is shit
There is black and there is white
and so many others

But I just want to ask us if we have ever seen either Angels or Demons. I am not asking if you believe or if you saw in your dream, I am asking if you have seen with your eyes. Dont quote bible or Quran. If you have seen either, please narrate in the comment section below.

your question is illogical. Hav u seen God with your eyes bf? If no. Then there's no God. If yes, where does he live (all physcl beings hav addresses)?
Demons,angels are spirits so theyre non-physical hence cant b seen with the naked eyes except the take on a physcal form. Which some can do.

asalimpo:

your question is illogical. Hav u seen God with your eyes bf? If no. Then there's no God. If yes, where does he live (all physcl beings hav addresses)?
Demons,angels are spirits so theyre non-physical hence cant b seen with the naked eyes except the take on a physcal form. Which some can do.

And your response has no atom of reasoning for you to say there is no God because you have not seen him, if you can explain the sun and the galaxy held in space by some force. If you can explain the precision and deliberate creation of the cells in the human body then I just might agree with you and If not (which I know you cant and even if you could you still cant) then I just might consider your opinion

LordReed:


Not even in the same ballpark. Yes nobody had seen a black hole before but when it was first hypothesized it was done by calculations so there was no need to believe anything. Then they began to find evidence that supported the calculations that's how they knew where to look and where to point the "cameras". Where is the evidence that supports the existence of a god? Where can we point our camera to take a photo of the God or maybe an angel or even a demon?

I have a question for you.
What do you KNOW about God?
NB: I'm not asking what you BELIEVE, I want you to tell me what you KNOW.

Jayhazard:

I have a question for you.
What do you KNOW about God?
NB: I'm not asking what you BELIEVE, I want you to tell me what you KNOW.

I don't know anything about god because I have not been presented with evidence that it exists.

LordReed:


I don't know anything about god because I have not been presented with evidence that it exists.

What have you heard about Him from people who claim He exists?
There's no need to play smart, the question before you is absolutely a simple one.

Jayhazard:

What have you heard about Him from people who claim He exists?
There's no need to play smart, the question before you is absolutely a simple one.

I am not playing smart. You asked what I know, I interpreted that as what my personal knowledge of the god is which I don't have since I have no knowledge that it exists.

As for what I have heard, you may have to be specific. Are you asking of the Christian god (I am quite familiar with this one), Muslim god, deist god or some other god.

Note, I am not trying to be smart, I want this discussion as sincere and clear as possible.

MisterKings:
Seriously I would really like to know if any nairalander has ever seen a demon, ghost, spirit or witch even an angel from heaven with your 2 naked eyes or are we just assuming things.

The reason I ask is this...Christians that are always praying devil die die die...calling so called principalities and powers to fall and die etc. Have they ever seen one before or they just assume someone is after them from the village.

I have never ever seen one before neither have I seen an angel. I just believe that when I pray the person who made the sun to rise in the east and set in the west everyday for the past billion years....answers my prayers somehow.

Sure, God exists because that can be the only explanation for the creation we see all around which also means that if he (or she) exists there should be something or someone who is opposite of him. Because everything in life is made that way. This is my personal belief.

There is day and there is night
There is woman and there is man
There is life and there is death
There is food and there is shit
There is black and there is white
and so many others

But I just want to ask us if we have ever seen either Angels or Demons. I am not asking if you believe or if you saw in your dream, I am asking if you have seen with your eyes. Dont quote bible or Quran. If you have seen either, please narrate in the comment section below.

If they tell you yes, you won't believe so why are you wasting cyber space with unnecessary question?

PROPHETmichael:



If they tell you yes, you won't believe so why are you wasting cyber space with unnecessary question?

Please How did you arrive at that conclusion

MisterKings:


Please How did you arrive at that conclusion

It's very simple for the Lord himself said to doubting thomases of his days, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" John 3:12

It's not as if you haven't heard of people testifying of these things you are enquiring about, you just don't believe it and no testimonies here on nairaland will make you believe it.

I have been on this discourse with two religious giants of the Catholic faith, @ubenedictus and the other that god's by the name @9inches and we still have not been able to resolve the issues at hand.

I therefore employ other Christians and religious giants to join this conversation and help us all resolve the issues involved.
I joined the thread from the page 4.

Thank you
C.A

Here is the link to thread: https://www.nairaland.com/5128731/oblate-eusebius-oguizu-dead-founder/3

MisterKings:
Seriously I would really like to know if any nairalander has ever seen a demon, ghost, spirit or witch even an angel from heaven with your 2 naked eyes or are we just assuming things.

The reason I ask is this...Christians that are always praying devil die die die...calling so called principalities and powers to fall and die etc. Have they ever seen one before or they just assume someone is after them from the village.

I have never ever seen one before neither have I seen an angel. I just believe that when I pray the person who made the sun to rise in the east and set in the west everyday for the past billion years....answers my prayers somehow.

Sure, God exists because that can be the only explanation for the creation we see all around which also means that if he (or she) exists there should be something or someone who is opposite of him. Because everything in life is made that way. This is my personal belief.

There is day and there is night
There is woman and there is man
There is life and there is death
There is food and there is shit
There is black and there is white
and so many others

But I just want to ask us if we have ever seen either Angels or Demons. I am not asking if you believe or if you saw in your dream, I am asking if you have seen with your eyes. Dont quote bible or Quran. If you have seen either, please narrate in the comment section below.

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Nodogragra4me:
I therefore employ other Christians and religious giants to join this conversation and help us all resolve the issues involved.
I joined the thread from the page 4.

Thank you
C.A

Here is the link to thread: https://www.nairaland.com/5128731/oblate-eusebius-oguizu-dead-founder/3

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I have seen angels...

RiyadhGoddess:
I have seen angels...

Really? What did you see? Are what you saw celestial beings angels or were they human being angels. If what you saw were celestial beings angel, what were the first words that came out from them to? (i.e. meaning, what did they first say to you)

MuttleyLaff:
Really? What did you see? Are what you saw celestial beings angels or were they human being angels. If what you saw were celestial beings angel, what were the first words that came out from them to? (i.e. meaning, what did they first say to you)

I've seen both Celestial angels and Human angel. I will explain before the end of today...