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|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by justwise(m): 6:44am On May 15|
So if the surviving job is paying their rent, bills, put food on their table and put their kids future in relatively safe environment you want them to return to Nigeria to do what?
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by Iwanttoto1: 6:57am On May 15|
On nairaland, some people go just wake up dey make stupit comments. If na for real laif that boy tucks dat no senses weys him tuck, I 4 nack am 1 dirty slaps.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by europebaby: 7:36am On May 15|
I'm literally crying as I'm typing this message.
You will never know how deep so few encouraging words of prayer can go.
Nigeria don show me pepper!!!
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by Chidimizzle: 7:40am On May 15|
Isn't it clear that it is you who can't handle an alternate opinion. I clearly stated how both sides weren't wrong but you saw it as taking sides cos i didn't condemn the other side and pitch my tent on your side. Oga get off your high horse, take suggestions objectively and stop acting pained.
Again, maybe you should go back several pages and read my take on the matter. Some of us have just clearly mastered the art of seeing things from different perspectives, a skill you clearly lack.
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|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by 400billionman: 7:44am On May 15|
Brother I am sure even if you have say N10m to do business in Nigeria, you lack the skills to succeed in Nigerian business environment.
Just imbibe a positive mindset that you will succeed, then you can make it anywhere, even in Germany.
Doing business in Nigeria is like investment in a Ponzi scheme, you will watch your millions varnish into thin air. I am talking about personal experience, not what I was told.
Secondly, you can still make it in Nigeria having the right people around you, assuming you have a good mentor to guide you. Someone who has seen it all. That is the only way you can succeed in Nigeria at your age and level of business experience.
I had a former classmate who studied in China and because of same reasons you listed, he came back to Nigeria and started a factory, he later ran away to US after 2 years.
Brother, another word for Start-Up failure is Nigeria. Just being real.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by justwise(m): 8:27am On May 15|
This is coming somebody who started by saying that i'm sounding like a broken record?
Acting pained in what sense exactly? Do you think that i'm in a twist regarding my immigration status or job? Do you think i'm here looking for solution or suggestion on how to move to another country? You really just want to say something..
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by AngelicBeing: 8:34am On May 15|
justwise:Good questions, to face insecurity, kidnapping, cultism, ritualism, robbery, senseless killings by SARS, hunger, poor medical facilities etc sometimes it is good to ignore some posters
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by AngelicBeing: 8:40am On May 15|
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by proeast(m): 9:06am On May 15|
What an informative thread, I'm quoting it for reference purposes
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by Dewaldg56: 9:30am On May 15|
salt1:Who said it's a meal ticket. What part of the fact that getting married to that girl would give him residency. Whose to say in a year he won't find something worth it. Most people that have returned to this Nigeria have found it difficult to return. You make it seem like things are not bad. Things are bad here and I am sure it can't be worse anywhere else. Wether you have money or not you suffer harassment on a daily. You apply for a job even before the interview they already know those they want to pick. Our entire system is flawed. Don't come here speaking about no meal ticket. Besides it doesn't seem like the op has many options. Just one more year in Germany. And then he has to decide if he returns to Nigeria or try his options with the girl in the UK. Who in their right minds would want to return? Right now even your family don't want you to. Should the op return and Godforbid something goes wrong his entire family will say I told you so. The truth is there is nothing in Nigeria that you can't find at least 30% better in the UK
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by AngelicBeing: 10:51am On May 15|
400billionman:Lol @ another word for start up failure is NIGERIA, your last sentence is correct, my friend started a juice processing business in lagos, he pumped in millions into it, to cut a long story short, he closed down the business, sold off all the machines,
Freezers, cars / trucks etc and has left the country again, according to him power / bad roads / cost of vehicles maintenance and other overhead costs crippled him and he was operating at a loss, if you don't have solid / extra / buffer / fall back cash to operate a business in Nigeria, you better don't try it or else, you will be frustrated out of the so called business
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by Mcslize: 11:18am On May 15|
I don't see this working. I meant your suggestion about marrying a girl in Naija and leaving her there could be another big mistake on the part of any man that thread that route. Why will I leave my wife in Naija? If you do that don't you think you are giving her a free ticket to collect free scores with another man? She will cheat on you and still be making you feel she still remains how you left her. She might even be in another man's top when you call sometimes. Your sisters or aunty can't monitor her movement or restrict a grown woman's day to day movement. You will still be sending her money of which she might even be giving a part to the said man that may be helping you to shine her Congo.
This is the reason I don't suggest men living far from their wives. They will surely cheat with one of those young smart play boys that are found in social media. Don't you think women get bored most times?
I won't suggest this to any man: staying far away from one's wife.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by nairalanduseles: 12:03pm On May 15|
Nursing is a prestigious job in developed countries...u actually spend 4 years in uni ......some ppl just display ignorance here
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by iaatmguy(m): 12:49pm On May 15|
optimusprime2:i don't know how to thank you for this observation. MOST of the folks saying negative things about Canada (especially indians) are untrue, their language proficiency is one of the major setback. can you imagine yourself working with someone who pronounces "volkswagen" as volkswagen, in Germany?
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by Profkenny1(m): 1:21pm On May 15|
Hahaha...Bro, are you a newbie in gender issues? Don't you know married women cheat MORE than single but engaged women? Proximity to a spouse DOESN'T guarantee faithfulness! If it does why do married people living and working in the same city divorce over infidelity? Why do Nigerian women top the chart, in the whole world and on this planet, of birthing bastards to their husbands?
I'm very aware of the hypergamous nature of women, so I wouldn't trust any married woman. Give her the right sensation and she would be riding another man's c.ock! Married women, no matter their proximity with their husbands, are the easiest to smash!
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by willy2000(m): 2:18pm On May 15|
nairalanduseles:Oh yeah, I never knew , but some end up working in hospice , which I do not want to talk about.
So, to denigrate someone who is doing a menial job for a short time... not as a career is a No No.
As long as, you are into crime, there is dignity in labour.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by willy2000(m): 2:23pm On May 15|
Professor of women affairs. At bolded can you elucidate more and quote your sources?
Or it is just another statistic cooked up from your anti-feminism book.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by Gerrard59(m): 8:23pm On May 15|
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by MaNyEsq(m): 9:41pm On May 15|
If you want to stay in your field of study and practice law as an attorney, you have two choices here:1. You have to work for a law firm to garner some experience, or 2. Strike out on your own and then go from there. Either choice you make has its rewards and drawbacks. Then the other option that you have, if you decide to go a different route, is to do something totally different from practicing law on a regular basis while still using your knowledge of the law. You can become a legal counsel/advisor for a corporation, Law Firm Administrator, Law Librarian, Law Professor, Law School Career Counselor, Legal Editor, Legal Writing Instructor, etc. So, just because you have a law degree does not necessarily mean you can't do anything else outside of the legal profession. Good luck.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by Mancala: 10:50pm On May 15|
Tough situation to be in OP, but you've got to face up to realities; you have to play the hand you're dealt! If I was you, here's how I'd approach it. First, don't give up on finding profesional employment in Germany. You still have time on your work visa so keep looking. Send out as many applications as posible and don't limit yourself to any geograpical preferences. In fact, you should place some emphasis on "less desirable to natives" geographies e.g. "rural areas". I know in the U.S. its easier for a foreigner to land a job in those types of locations because citizens are less inclined to look there. Germany might probably be the same. Do your reserach and find out.
Second, do not stay idle. Work any, and as many jobs available to you and save your income just in case things do not work out... menial jobs and all. See this as a stepping stone. As a person who interviews and hires folks at my place of employment, I can tell you that there is a benefit to being gainfully employed vs. staying idle doing nothing, even if you are under employed. It demonstrates a work ethic and a willingness to adapt.
As time progresses, if per chance you do not get professional employment in Germany, you can start looking into legal migration to Canada or Australia, or enrolling in another masters degree in Germany in an area that's more employable than what you did previously. Finally, if these do not work out, you could either go back to Nigeria or head to the U.K. and settle down in your "arranged marriage" . My views may seem myopic, but note that these are the legal options open to you at the moment, and I have tried to arrange them in order of logical preference.
As to those belittling menial jobs as a means to an end, I doubt if you have an idea of how things work in the western world. These jobs including washing plates, serving in a restaurant, paper deliveries etc are first of all a means to learn and develop a work ethic and second a way to earn a living and become independent. In the college admissions process, credit is given to applicants who have held down a job and better still, can provide a work supervisors recommendation. For very competitive colleges, academics is a given, you are not even considered without that. But stuff like job experience (including these menail jobs), volunteer activities, running a business puts you above others.
If you visit a government establishment in Nigeria, you will immediately notice the lack of professionalism and work ethics. These positive attributes are learned not bestowed upon individuals. We are supposed to learn these when we are young and growing up. Most Nigeria graduates I know, who are sponsored by their parents, have not worked any job until after they graduate so lack these basic skills. Working menial jobs should be seen as a skill/resume builer not looked down upon like it's done in Nigeria.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by yuskel(m): 12:14am On May 16|
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by PaulSimon2020: 12:19am On May 16|
Op, what skills do you have? Do you know how to program? I can give you a link to someone who can get you a decent IT job in Germany!
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by optimusprime2(m): 12:20am On May 16|
Brov you are going beside the point...
Are you trying to iterate that, even if an individual has professional proficiency in German language, as well as an M.Sc diploma obtained from Germany, the individual will stay jobless in Germany especially as the op claimed??
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by favourite787899: 2:09am On May 16|
He said he is 25 years or am I mistaking? The only people doing all if these at his age are the yahoo boys in Nigeria. If not most 25 years in Nigeria are still carry CV up and down.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by 2piK: 6:11am On May 16|
You are quite right about the difficulty in getting professional jobs in Germany, but this is not a problem with Germany; it's a problem in every advanced economy. The system in these countries is to always protect the interest of their citizens (rightfully so in my opinion), it's in Nigeria that foreigners would come into the country as expatriates and enjoy the quality of life that its citizens cannot enjoy.
Now you won't like the next few paragraphs. You are entitled. Germany never asked you to come and neither were you promised a job on completion of your studies. You made the decision to integrate yourself into it's society. Have you ever considered that a country like Germany that offers tuition free studies up to PhD level will not have shortage of skilled talents to choose from? So why should you be picked over other talents available? Because you have a masters degree? Do you know how many people have the same masters degree? Or even higher qualifications?
Advanced societies are selfish and only care about integrating the best foreign talents into their societies. So invest in yourself and make yourself stand out. Before you try to make excuses, i will briefly share my personal story and hopefully it will help reinforce believe in yourself and know that you can do it. I was your age when i came to the UK for studies, having no one except God as my friend and family. I discovered quickly that this place called the United Kingdom is a battle ground and i have my work cut-out for me if i am going to make success of it (i won't bother giving examples of what i experienced that informed this thinking as i think it's irrelevant to key points in your post).
During my studies, i did cleaning, support work, care work, kitchen staff (i did any kind of menial job to survive) and i always had a smile on my face because my life was better than when i used to hawk in Nigeria. However, I didn't get discouraged and i completed my bachelors as the best graduating student for my cohort. Based on this, I was lucky to get part scholarship from the University to do my masters which i completed in flying colours. Then the UK had a post-study visa for 2 years, got a job as a software developer with this PSW visa. When my 2 year visa was about to run out my company sponsored me and I got a work visa for 5 years.
Fast forward to the present, i have completed a bachelors, 2 masters and almost a PhD (in my 5th year of my part time PhD programme), I am now a British citizen with qualitative and extensive work experience spanning several EU countries (which incidentally includes Germany, I worked in Berlin for eight months, staying at the Westin Grand at the expense of my employers) and am now a software architect consulting for companies with the remit of providing technical guidance to their software development teams. Even during my work, I continued investing in myself, hence the other masters and my PhD (despite now having my own family).
Do you know how i got Software development experience in the UK?
Before coming here, I had 5 years working as a programmer, on arrival here I knew between classes and doing all sorts of menial jobs; i wouldn't have the time to explore volunteer opportunities. So what did i do? I was going round all local businesses (when i had free time between classes) around the university introducing myself. I explained who i was, what i was doing here and how i can help their businesses. Most of them, told me to jog on (which is British slang for f*** off) in the most polite way possible. So in my first year, no one offered me nothing. But in my second year of my studies, I got lucky there was this care agency that got tired of seeing my face, gave in and asked me to build them an application for managing their staff rota (till today i don't know if they requested this because they thought i won't be motivated to do it for free or even be able to deliver it).
I gave it my best effort, spoke to my course advisor at the university about the project. She was impressed and helped me massively. She designed sprints for me in which i completed specific features each sprint. She helped with testing the software, she wanted me to succeed, I owe her everything. The agency liked it and i got other jobs through them (this was 100% free, i never got paid any money for this project). By the time i finished my degree i had done about 5 of such free projects (now i have a portfolio of my work).
Do you know how i got my first professional job?
I will tell you. I was doing a cleaning job in my university, i had a floor i cleaned every morning before going to class, my floor had about 20 offices or maybe more...can't really remember the exact number. There was a particular office that i hated cleaning, it was always messy and took me lots of time to clean (time that i did not have). Typically i finish my shift before the lecturers come in, but on this particular day, i was cleaning this useless office and the professor came in before i had finished. I greeted him like he was my creator and apologised for not finishing his office on time (even though he was the one who came early). The bastard just nodded and didn't even say a word to me.
I didn't know that moment was when my life would change. 2 weeks later i attended a seminar in the University and this bastard professor was one of the speakers! Next morning when i got to his office to clean, he was already there. I was taken aback and before i could say anything he asked if i was at his seminar the day before, i answered in the affirmative. We got talking, he told me a bit about himself and his research interest (the focus of the seminar) and he got to know i could write software. He said they needed a software intern that could do some work for the research group. I didn't even think, I said yes and that was "my first unofficial professional job", working for his research group. Bye bye cleaning job.
When i finished my masters degree, the research group recommended me to one of their industry partners. My interview revolved around discussing my portfolio (the free job i did for the care agency and the systems research group). I got the job and that was my "first proper official professional job" and I gave it my all. 4 months before my post-study work visa finished the company sponsored me for my 5 year work visa, my parents were crying when i told them over the phone. I will be honest and say that i was underpaid during the period i was on the sponsorship visa, other colleagues with same level of experience or even less were earning double what i was earning...but i kept telling myself, this will not be forever. But when i got my citizenship, it's like i was launched into a new world. I left the company and got a job with a Swedish company in UK that paid me a fortune compared to my previous salary. Not just that, by virtue of being an EU citizen 27 countries became open to me where i could go work and i took advantage of these benefits.
So you see, it can be done. Was it easy? Not at all, i went through hell. But i knew what i wanted for my life, had a plan and worked extremely hard and while i might not be rich, I think i have managed to achieve some of my dreams. You are still young brother, at your age i didn't have what you had. You CAN definitely do this.
So what is my advice?
Moving countries is not always the solution at times. If you haven't sorted out your approach and self-belief, regardless of wherever you go; you'll have the same problems. Also, whatever you do, get a second nationality before you return to Nigeria as that alone will open untold doors for you in future, even if things don't go to plan in Nigeria you know you can always activate plan b (second nationality). Start networking and investing in yourself, it won't yield fruits immediately but don't be discouraged, eventually your hardwork will pay off. The truth is advanced societies don't care about the colour of your skin all they care about is that you have something that they need! Make yourself that which they need!!
And when your situation improves and feel like you have achieved some of your dreams. Start investing in Nigeria. The country doesn't need more job seekers. It needs entrepreneurs. This is my story, I hope it motivates you to be strong.
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|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by Yampotatocarrot(m): 6:33am On May 16|
My brother, I real through all your wrote (I'll be polite enough not to call it a ranting), and you DIDN'T proffer any solution at all.
Even if you felt he/we was/are going against Yahweh's plan, you should have proffered a solution... An alternative to education and working for the "captors", but unfortunately you didn't.
Try working on that next time.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by Akinwole007: 8:09am On May 16|
2piK:This is really informative. Thanks for sharing.
I sent you a PM. I will like to ask some few question about software development privately.
|Re: Should I Move To The UK Or Return To Nigeria? by charles2468(m): 8:45am On May 16|
Oga!! u really said well, but do you know, if you had not been outside the country, d international firm wouldn't have picked you, again d business idea you got and intended to establish it, is because you traveled and was exposed to get the idea.
we all know abroad is not easy, but one have to believe that ideas and connections are easy to get outside the country, which you can equally use back home if you wish to establish yourself here.
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