Olu317:

...Byrone didn't studiy burial only but a wide range in archeological studies and history in Judaism as a lecturer in Atlantic university. So stop using defamatory words on renowned scholars. And Byrone never claimed to be what he isn't because he is a specialist in archeology and history and not like you that's just mere commentator without fact in his field of studies.

All that is nonsensical rhetoric.

He never claimed to have found any proof of a Jesus Christ character.

Olu317:
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Thirdly you lied, when you said, “Byrone McCane doesn't claimed to have found any evidence of Jesus Christ character historical or archeological", because he did mentioned it perfectly...

You're the liar.

You waste your time spouting out nonsensical gibberish, show us the evidence.

I stand to be corrected, show us where he made such claim to have found historical or archeological evidence, point us to where to find this and provide the sources.

I'm not interested in rhetoric.

Assuming it's rhetoric you have, then you're simply wasting our time.

Olu317:
...According to Meyers, “Jesus in ancient Palestine was noble and changed the world for good.” And that, he adds, is “hard, if not impossible, to deny.”...

According to history, there was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ, the story is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

Olu317:
You see ,one of my greatest concern is how you posit view from imagination,based on self pan Africanism, which is baseless and not feasible.

There's nothing imaginary about African intellectual properties.

The same cannot be said about all these foreign extremist ideologies that are based on false narratives and fictional characters.

African history comprises of Agriculture, Arts, Architecture, Astrology, Astronomy, Commerce, Economics, Engineering, Fishing, Law, Mathematics, Medical Sciences, Metallurgy, Mining, Philosophy, Physical Sciences, Ship-building e.t.c

These are the things we ought to return to studying extensively.

Simply due to the fact that you're incapable of comprehending intellect, doesn't make it not feasible.

Not feasible to you, that's on you dude.

The letter 'J' didn't exist in the English alphabet until 1524.

Prior to when Gian Giorgio Trissino introduced it , the letter "I" was used as the vowel of choice.

I would go further to suggest that it was the African languages, especially the West African languages that gave the western world the letter 'J'.

Amujale

Crucifixion was a common practice by the Romans of that time period, something that continued for 500 years.

I never said it wasn't.

Merely mentioning the practice isn't proof of a character.

Where did I say mentioning the practice is proof of a character?

Pontius Pilate never claimed to have crucified a Christ character.

I fail to get your logic sometimes. You are arguing all over the place. First you say the Romans crucified many people and you agreed to that, now you want the Romans to tell us about everyone they crucified just because their followers believed in them as christ.
Does this make any sense to you? I'm not sure you even read what you write here sometimes, lol.

There are records of the incarceration of various other characters named Jesus, however these weren't the Jesus Christ character as other contributors have already stated.

If Jesus and his followers were not warriors nor zealots, who attempted to take up arms against Rome, then why should the Romans care that a certain Jew somewhere ( whom his followers called christ) was crucified by them?

Plus, you still haven't answered the question.
I answered you before but you ignored it.
What is the dates for this fictional Jesus character?

I told you Jesus was born around 4BC.

Amujale:
The letter 'J' didn't exist in the English alphabet until 1524.

Prior to when Gian Giorgio Trissino introduced it , the letter "I" was used as the vowel of choice.

I would go further to suggest that it was the African languages, especially the West African languages that gave the world the letter 'J'.

How is this arguement relevant?

Amujale:


All that is nonsensical rhetoric.

He never claimed to have found any proof of a Jesus Christ character.

Just imagining a non specialist antagonising renowned lecturer in Judaism? You are a petty joke.

Amujale:


According to history, there was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ, the story is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

I am tired of your perpetual ignorance. It is self deluding and you are good at it. I mock you seriously. Meanwhile, you haven't answered the questions I asked , Why jumping gun? Kindly do on Ela, Yeshua and Ríshá. Proof your depth in Yoruba tradition and not gibberish Africanism! I am a light bronze skin man � and proud of my ancestry. We boast in our Yoruba tradition , which both Arabic and Christianity emerged from.

Note: Answer my fucking questions

Amujale:


There's nothing imaginary about African intellectual properties.

The same cannot be said about all these foreign extremist ideologies that are based on false narratives and fictional characters.

African history comprises of Arts, Architecture, Astronomy, Astrology, Commerce, Economics, Engineering, Fishing, Law, Mathematics, Medical Sciences, Metallurgy, Mining, Philosophy, Physical Sciences, Ship-building e.t.c

These are the things we ought to return to studying extensively.

Simply due to the fact that you're incapable of comprehending intellect, doesn't make it not feasible.

Not feasible to you, that's on you dude.

Lol. Show me archeological findings,with written document, on metallurgical ,mining etc, which are related to machines or keep these assumptions off this platform. Stop posting lies up and down.

Religion is the only the aspect you beat your cheast over and to burst your bubble, religion was so serious in Near East from ancient times that, it became exported to Africa and to other parts of the world. I doubt if you realise that, Christianity overan Africa religious beliefs from Near East from 100AD. Even Ethiopians of old, acknowledged Yeshua existence during Yeshua's lifetime. I am sure you barely know so.

Amujale:


According to history, there was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ, the story is solely based on fakery and falsehood.

Fake indeed!

Tacitus’s wrote his last work, titled Annals, written c. 116–117 C.E., includes a biography of Nero. In 64 C.E., during a fire in Rome, Nero was suspected of secretly ordering the burning of a part of town where he wanted to carry out a building project, so he tried to shift the blame to Christians. This was the occasion for Tacitus to mention Christians, whom he despised. This is what he wrote—the following excerpt is translated from Latin by Robert Van Voorst: TACIT CONFIRMATION.

Roman historian Tacitus’s last major work, Annals, mentions a “Christus” who was executed by Pontius Pilate and from whom the Christians derived their name.
Tacitus’s brief reference corroborates historical details of Jesus’ death from the New Testament.

Now, the screenshot below is The pictured volume of Tacitus’s works which was from the turn of the 17th century. The volume’s title page features Plantin Press’s printing mark depicting angels, a compass and the motto Labore et Constantia (“By Labor and Constancy”). Photo: Tacitus, Opera Quae Exstant, trans. by Justus Lipsius (Antwerp, Belgium: Ex officina Plantiniana, apud Joannem Moretum, 1600). Courtesy of the Philadelphia Rare Books & Manuscripts Co. (PRB&M).

Can you see, how ignorant you are my dear brother ?Study to verify before posting incoherent information.

Olu317:
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You can pass me with all that nonsensical rhetoric.

Wake yourself up when you cannot find any evidence of a person called Jesus in any parts of the so-called Annals.

How about taking what was said into consideration.

You choose to deceive yourself.

And according to your warped and baseless argument, you are attempting to argue your angle in support of a fictional character by citing to problematic piece of writings.


Perhaps you ought to examine the facts, they're right there.

The material you're claiming as your evidence is not only insignificant, scraps, the information in Tacitus writings doesn't mention the name Jesus anywhere in the content.

Furthermore, latest information has rendered the Tacitus Annals as being tampered with, a forgery.

When a thorough perusal of the script was performed, the experts in writing analysis found irregularities in the writing patterns, so much that they conclude that it's a forgery.

The irony is that, apart from the fact that if one was to take the words of that material for it's worth (eventhough there's undisputable evidence that has allowed it to become inadmissible due to the works of Poggio Bracciolini - da Strada Boccaccio, was said to make use of the Annals in the writing of his own books before Poggio was even born.), there were characters of that time period that answered to the title Chrustus
i.e Sarapis.


More importantly, where the irregularities was found is in the actual insertions of the term Chrustus and Chresteans as explained by the writing analyst.

They stated that out of the entire piece of writing, the only parts whereby the grammatical pattern is alien to the rest of the content is at thos insertions of "Chrustus" and Chrestrean.


source:

•Tacitus and Bracciolini: The Annals Forged In The XVth Century authored by John Wilson Ross.

https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/9098/pg9098.html


As for the Josephus writings, he's credited as the writer who invented the Jesus storyline, that obviously discounts that particular writer.

You're argument is flawed.

There are no historians of the first century from who wrote about this fictional character, and there were hundreds of them in Rome and Greece at that time period.

And yet you are presenting two problematic writings as your argument.

It doesn't add up and you know that on your own accord.

The mathematics doesn't add up, out of hundreds of historians from the first century up to the 4th century, there's only one historian that you can come up with?

And to add to that, the material is unreliable.

Cannot you see the absurdity of your argument?

Olu317:
Lol. Show me archeological findings,with written document, on metallurgical ,mining etc, which are related to machines or keep these assumptions off this platform. Stop posting lies up and down.

What is the process of extracting raw materials from the planet?

Perhaps there's a different process other than mining you would want us to know about.

Explain, what other process did our miners use, assuming you cannot comprehend these simple truths.

While you're proving my initial point, what is your understanding of 'Metallurgy'?

Africans have been performing technological and scientific procedures for thousands upon thousands of years, and that includes breakthroughs in "metallurgy"; iron, copper, brass, steel, that's correct, steel, e.t.c

It's on this great continent that steel became an invention.


check the information you seek regarding the first steel smelting anywhere on the planet that begins on the African continent here:
http://thinkafrica.net/steel-in-africa

Only those of us that refuse to research or those of us who simply cannot be bothered to research and study come up with the incorrect viewpoints about our continent's contribution to Science and Technology.

Our parents invented all the better things in life.
Simply put, us Africans invented almost everything.

These are partly the reasoning that we MUST return to studying these extensively.

Hence, the emphasis on returning to study, meaning that these intellectual properties was once our daily activities, things that we partook naturally, our bread and butter.

Ignorance cannot be used as an excuse anymore.

The reason we MUST bin all these foreign extremist ideologies and concentrate our focus on reality.

GeneralDae:

I told you Jesus was born around 4BC.

Provide us with the sources.

It's important to note that the Christian bible is an unreliable source, therefore, provide us with sources outside of this diabolic and malicious book.

Apart from the fact that the Christian bible is based on fakery and falsehood, and as such is an unreliable source, one of the contextualised reasons that the Christian bible cannot be used to source for the dates partaining to your fictional character, is the contradictory narratives given by the authors of "Matthew" and "Luke".

The authors of "Matthew" claims one date for your fictional character, whilst the authors of "Luke", claims a different date.

Bearing in mind that one of the claims falls within an unforgettable event in Roman history.

Goes to show how false and unreliable is the Christian bible.

The authors of the Christian bible wrote their stories so as to situate them amongst certain historical events, however, that doesn't make their stories a part of history.

Olu317:
I am tired of your perpetual ignorance. It is self deluding and you are good at it. I mock you seriously. Meanwhile, you haven't answered the questions I asked , Why jumping gun? Kindly do on Ela, Yeshua and Ríshá...

You're delusional.

My advice is for you to bin all the nonsense you're currently reading and go and pick up a proper history book.


Yeshua, Jesus, whatever you want to call that character is all based on fakery and falsehood.

Foreigners came to our continent, found out about our divine principles and decided to call them God.

The African Gods are the only true and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

For instance,

The Orisa are Gods.

Sopona is a god.

Jesus /Yeshua is a fake god.

Amujale:


You're delusional.

My advice is for you to bin all the nonsense you're currently reading and go and pick up a proper history book.


Yeshua, Jesus, whatever you want to call that character is all based on fakery and falsehood.

Foreigners came to our continent, found out about our divine principles and decided to call them God.

The African Gods are the only true and proper ones.

Not to be conflated with the Almighty God.

For instance,

The Orisa are Gods.

Sopona is a god.

Jesus /Yeshua is a fake god.

Engaging you further your psuedo facts because, you are not in any field related to the said character, who is aknowedged also in Yoruba pantheon. But you kept regurgating falsehood on a Nigeria platform . Plainly, Yèṣùá,, Ríṣá, Ẹlá etc exist in Youba traditional worship in the same manner in Hebrew culture and traditional worship

So, amazingly for a Young man like you to engage me on the whole Africa without a case study! What a mirage! I advise you channel your energy to something else that's meaningful. It is a fact that I can interprete Hebrew's Ideogram as renowned scholars with emiritus status have done a lot on written account about known characters in the Bible.


Anyway,ignorant like you are in thousands but I am not perturbed , such exist amongs the unbridled characters,who acknowledged christianity exist before 100AD. And Ethiopian Orthodox Christians before more than 20 ancestors believed in Yeshua as a man who lived on earth. Even Ethiopians Orthodox christians as well as Coptic Orthodox christians believed in Yeshua(Jesus).

Olu317:
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You can pass me with all that rhetoric.

Provide us with the evidence of your false narratives and fictional characters.

There was never a person who walked this Earth called Jesus Christ.

Assuming you have any proof to the contrary, provide them here.

You can call your Professors with their emiritus status to engage us here.

Olu317:
Even Ethiopians Orthodox christians .

Ethiopia was indoctrinated into Christianity all the same.

Ethiopia was one of the earliest communities that got indoctrinated into this foreign extremist ideologies.

They seemingly hold rank over everyone else that subscribes to their foreign extremist ideology, except perhaps Italy and Russia for this precise reason.

These are the reasons one ought to study extensively.

Brothers and sisters we need to read to our hearts content.

By the powers that are invested in me, us hope to provide some ebooks by the start of 2022.

Olu317:
Coptic Orthodox christians believed in Yeshua(Jesus).

Given that these foreign extremist ideologies are solely based on fakery and falsehood, the communities that Eurocentric historians, and Eurocentric Egyptologist would loosely call Coptic Orthodox christians, wasn't at all, these was Roman-Greco communities that worshipped many deities, Yeshua wasn't one of these deities.

They worshiped, the Kemetic Gods, Greek gods, Roman gods and their own personal created gods in olden days Egypt. i.e Serapis

Hellenistic religions, was the dominant ideology for the ruler class in Ptolemaic Egypt, everyone else in olden days Egypt simply worshiped the Kemetic Gods.

When the Romans took back control of olden days Egypt, they absorbed various communities such as the one in question.

Another reason that the ideology is fake.

The Eurocentric Salvation concept was first introduced into the continent during Ptolemaic Egypt.

They pushed that same concept for their god. They had a thing for salvation, they called soteriology.