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Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 1:06am On Jun 06
When I see most people still talking about the old python, java, e.t.c. in this our part of the world, I tend to wonder if we are ever going to catch up with the rest of the world in innovations and rapid development.
Don't get me wrong, learning primary languages such as c++, python, java, r programming, e.t.c is essential, but in the present reality, this programming languages is more or less like learning English language, French language, Spanish language, e.t.c.
What should be more of focus is cloud computing, data analysis, machine learning, artificial intelligence, big data, software development, e.t.c. because this are now what set the technology pace.
Ofcos one can't do all these without learning basic programming, but presently nobody writes bogus programming anymore when you can just write a two or few lines of code which will easily execute and give desire result.
In conclusion, I am just trying to let us Africa to look beyond the basic programming of 10years ago and put our focus on the the most essentials like tensorflow, datalab, e.t.c. our pace is too slow, we need to set our priorities right.
In medicals, technologies, weather forecasting, marketing, accounting e.t.c are all been overtaking by a.i and ml. In few more years the most lucrative jobs will be taking by those who understand a.i and ml.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by maisauki: 3:50am On Jun 06
d speed at which d world is moving is quiet amazing

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by xfactordv: 9:16am On Jun 06
In ley mans terms ,whats AI and Machine learning and how and where do i learn them?

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by toks4wonder: 9:54am On Jun 06
Nice one, but there is a need to master the primary languages and be well verse in using them before jumping to Ai and ML stuffs, Also you need cash for so many things and developers get these from there freelancing services in most of these primary languages.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 11:54am On Jun 06
How can you implement ai or ml without programming languages like python or java? Tensorflow, Catalan and every other AI or ml library was written in a programming language.

Your advice is equivalent to telling someone who cant walk to forget about learning to walk but should start learning to run.


helpsystem:
When I see most people still talking about the old python, java, e.t.c. in this our part of the world, I tend to wonder if we are ever going to catch up with the rest of the world in innovations and rapid development.
Don't get me wrong, learning primary languages such as c++, python, java, r programming, e.t.c is essential, but in the present reality, this programming languages is more or less like learning English language, French language, Spanish language, e.t.c.
What should be more of focus is cloud computing, data analysis, machine learning, artificial intelligence, big data, software development, e.t.c. because this are now what set the technology pace.
Ofcos one can't do all these without learning basic programming, but presently nobody writes bogus programming anymore when you can just write a two or few lines of code which will easily execute and give desire result.
In conclusion, I am just trying to let us Africa to look beyond the basic programming of 10years ago and put our focus on the the most essentials like tensorflow, datalab, e.t.c. our pace is too slow, we need to set our priorities right.
In medicals, technologies, weather forecasting, marketing, accounting e.t.c are all been overtaking by a.i and ml. In few more years the most lucrative jobs will be taking by those who understand a.i and ml.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by stanliwise(m): 12:34pm On Jun 06
resosdigital:
How can you implement ai or ml without programming languages like python or java? Tensorflow, Catalan and every other AI or ml library was written in a programming language.

Your advice is equivalent to telling someone who cant walk to forget about learning to walk but should start learning to run.


You spoke what is in my mind jare.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by uchnino: 2:46pm On Jun 06
How do you do data analysis and machine learning without knowing the rudiments. Programs are used to make those things work which basically means programming is what ever needs to learn

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 2:52pm On Jun 06
xfactordv:
In ley mans terms ,whats AI and Machine learning and how and where do i learn them?
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U can learn about Artificial intelligence and Machine learning by taking courses on them through coursera, udemy, you tube videos, e-book.e.t.c. everything you need to know can be gotten here. Cos presently only few university in d whole world do these.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 2:53pm On Jun 06
maisauki:
d speed at which d world is moving is quiet amazing
Yes my brother u will be amazed at d pace. We Nigerians just like social media without really using d platform to understand what is going on in other part of the world.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 2:57pm On Jun 06
toks4wonder:
Nice one, but there is a need to master the primary languages and be well verse in using them before jumping to Ai and ML stuffs, Also you need cash for so many things and developers get these from there freelancing services in most of these primary languages.
No I differ with u. The way programming works now is different from before. Now u don't need to write long codes or billion of codes to get it. Cos all these have been done into packages u will just need to download and use one or two line of code to achieve. And about learning primary languages, as I mentioned one will need to learn it but not to mastery, rather it is the more u practice u will become better.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 3:00pm On Jun 06
resosdigital:
How can you implement ai or ml without programming languages like python or java? Tensorflow, Catalan and every other AI or ml library was written in a programming language.

Your advice is equivalent to telling someone who cant walk to forget about learning to walk but should start learning to run.


U got me wrong, I said one need to learn a primary language but now u can learn it along with learning a.I and ml. Check courses on deep learning, machine learning and data science on coursers and u will know its part of the curriculum there
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 3:06pm On Jun 06
uchnino:
How do you do data analysis and machine learning without knowing the rudiments. Programs are used to make those things work which basically means programming is what ever needs to learn
Ofcos programming is needed, which is what I said above, but most people just believe its just to code but now programming is just like learning English as I said which everyone must learn but taking other courses in English written like medicine, engineering e.t.c is d application and that's how python,r e.t.c is to data science , ai and ml
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Daejoyoung: 4:17pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:

Ofcos programming is needed, which is what I said above, but most people just believe its just to code but now programming is just like learning English as I said which everyone must learn but taking other courses in English written like medicine, engineering e.t.c is d application and that's how python,r e.t.c is to data science , ai and ml
l understand you though but l think you're just making it seem complicated. At the end of the day, Machine learning and Artificial intelligence would require the utilization of tools or libraries in programming languages like python, java, and R. Tools like Tensorflow, Keras, Scikitlearn and Pandas.
Learning all of these libraries for instance, is thesame as learning a programming language, in this case Python. Before you get to point of learning these libraries, you would have to learn some basics as well e.g Functions, dictionaries, and list, which is again basically learning Python, a programming language.
So in the end it boils down to thesame thing, nor confuse yourself.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Darivie04(m): 5:14pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:
When I see most people still talking about the old python, java, e.t.c. in this our part of the world, I tend to wonder if we are ever going to catch up with the rest of the world in innovations and rapid development.
Don't get me wrong, learning primary languages such as c++, python, java, r programming, e.t.c is essential, but in the present reality, this programming languages is more or less like learning English language, French language, Spanish language, e.t.c.
What should be more of focus is cloud computing, data analysis, machine learning, artificial intelligence, big data, software development, e.t.c. because this are now what set the technology pace.
Ofcos one can't do all these without learning basic programming, but presently nobody writes bogus programming anymore when you can just write a two or few lines of code which will easily execute and give desire result.
In conclusion, I am just trying to let us Africa to look beyond the basic programming of 10years ago and put our focus on the the most essentials like tensorflow, datalab, e.t.c. our pace is too slow, we need to set our priorities right.
In medicals, technologies, weather forecasting, marketing, accounting e.t.c are all been overtaking by a.i and ml. In few more years the most lucrative jobs will be taking by those who understand a.i and ml.
We also need to develop our academia

Our country is contributing almost nothing to theoretical AI research

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 8:05pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:

U got me wrong, I said one need to learn a primary language but now u can learn it along with learning a.I and ml. Check courses on deep learning, machine learning and data science on coursers and u will know its part of the curriculum there
You cant learn programming along with ai or ml bro.

You first learn programming before deciding on where you want to go - ai, ml, data science, game dev, software eng.

Without deep knowledge of programming and algorithms, you would just be wasting your time.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 8:07pm On Jun 06
This is all wrong.

You will only end up becoming a script junkie that no one would take seriously.

What happens if you are given a problem to solve without using any of your libraries?
helpsystem:

No I differ with u. The way programming works now is different from before. Now u don't need to write long codes or billion of codes to get it. Cos all these have been done into packages u will just need to download and use one or two line of code to achieve. And about learning primary languages, as I mentioned one will need to learn it but not to mastery, rather it is the more u practice u will become better.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Abcruz(m): 8:11pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:

No I differ with u. The way programming works now is different from before. Now u don't need to write long codes or billion of codes to get it. Cos all these have been done into packages u will just need to download and use one or two line of code to achieve. And about learning primary languages, as I mentioned one will need to learn it but not to mastery, rather it is the more u practice u will become better.

You have spoken well.

Presently I can categorically tell you that coding itself is old fashioned. "visual programming" is currently the order of the day.

Coding is error prone and time consuming but with visual programming, complex algorithms are embedded on a friendly user interface and programming is as easy as dragging an icon and placing it in the right direction.

What it takes a professional programmer to execute in a day can now be done by a total novice with no knowledge of programming to accomplish in a minute.

Unfortunately the majority are stalked in past glory and would rather resist change until they're totally left behind.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 8:16pm On Jun 06
Abcruz:


What it takes a professional programmer to execute in a day can now be done by a total novice with no knowledge of programming to accomplish in a minute.

Unfortunately the majority are stalked in past glory and would rather resist change until they're totally left behind.

grin
Graphical programming??

You know absolutely nothing about programming. Sorry to say

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Abcruz(m): 8:22pm On Jun 06
resosdigital:


grin
Graphical programming??

You know absolutely nothing about programming. Sorry to say

Yet I'm conversant with Python and it's libraries.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 8:51pm On Jun 06
Abcruz:


Yet I'm conversant with Python and it's libraries.

Then I am very curious how you do "graphical programming" in python

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 10:16pm On Jun 06
resosdigital:
This is all wrong.

You will only end up becoming a script junkie that no one would take seriously.

What happens if you are given a problem to solve without using any of your libraries?
Lmao in d 21st century, who need u to code from scratch. I was trained by google bro and also I did my ml course with Stanford university. While I am presently doing my data science specialization with job Hopkins. No company will tell u to b coding from scratch rather how well ur code runs and achieve its aim.
So u are telling a company will want u to do a work that can be done in hours for days. Do u even know why a.i is been more of focus now. Cos now they want machine to do more of d work and even predicting future and possible outcome.
Jupyter notebook, r, tensorflow are interface provided to make coding interactive and fun. Nobody needs ur bogus coding rather solving problems with less line of coding.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 10:25pm On Jun 06
Ofcos no language is a waste. But if u check the history of programming, u will discover with time, programming languages are becoming obsolete as new languages are been developed. Need to let u know years ago nobody knows about pytorch and co. But now. Its has evolve how people use python. I started learning programming with qbasic, c, c++ but now no one code with these anymore. Can't even remember when I use them. Now I use r, tensorflow, jupyter notebook. And I can boast I do deliver well.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 10:26pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:

Lmao in d 21st century, who need u to code from scratch. I was trained by google bro and also I did my ml course with Stanford university. While I am presently doing my data science specialization with job Hopkins. No company will tell u to b coding from scratch rather how well ur code runs and achieve its aim.
So u are telling a company will want u to do a work that can be done in hours for days. Do u even know why a.i is been more of focus now. Cos now they want machine to do more of d work and even predicting future and possible outcome.
Jupyter notebook, r, tensorflow are interface provided to make coding interactive and fun. Nobody needs ur bogus coding rather solving problems with less line of coding.
Very true.

But happens if you get a job to work on the tensorflow project and codebase then what happens

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 10:29pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:
Ofcos no language is a waste. But if u check the history of programming, u will discover with time, programming languages are becoming obsolete as new languages are been developed. Need to let u know years ago nobody knows about pytorch and co. But now. Its has evolve how people use python. I started learning programming with qbasic, c, c++ but now no one code with these anymore. Can't even remember when I use them. Now I use r, tensorflow, jupyter notebook. And I can boast I do deliver well.

60% of game companies use c++, all windows libraries are c++, the underlying kernel your android phone and most OS use is c++.

If you dont use it doesn't make it obsolete.

Nothing absolutely nothing would ever replace the need for c++ as nothing can match its performance

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 10:32pm On Jun 06
resosdigital:

Very true.

But happens if you get a job to work on the tensorflow project and codebase then what happens
Sorry bro but pls have u ever use tensorflow, and do u understand neural network, ml and ai?
No programmer or data scientist knows it all. And u are not expected to know how to use all languages. Rather in any language u know, make sure u are good in it. Y u can write a software in different languages and depending on which one the programmer is good in
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 10:33pm On Jun 06
To all beginners, dont let anyone fool you into thinking that learning the fundamentals is a waste of time.

You never know what opportunities tomorrow will bring your way.

Earlier this year I heard about a programmer who had applied for a senior dev job. He had an amazing portfolio of python projects to showcase but when he worked into the hall, he was given an an array problem to solve in big oh of n time.

He had no idea what big oh was and lost the job as result.

This is something he could have easily learnt if he was patient enough to go through the basics first.

My advice is that you cant learn to run without first knowing how to walk else you would wabble a few steps forward and come crashing down.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 10:34pm On Jun 06
resosdigital:


60% of game companies use c++, all windows libraries are c++, the underlying kernel your android phone and most OS use is c++.

If you dont use it doesn't make it obsolete.

Nothing absolutely nothing would ever replace the need for c++ as nothing can match its performance
but do u know python was developed from c++ and that's how all programming languages work. A new language springs up from existing once.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 10:38pm On Jun 06
My question is what happens when you are asked to work on the tensorrlow project?

See, your reply just shows exactly what would happen.

It's all easy to use a fancy tool without understanding how the underlying architecture works.

helpsystem:

Sorry bro but pls have u ever use tensorflow, and do u understand neural network, ml and ai?
No programmer or data scientist knows it all. And u are not expected to know how to use all languages. Rather in any language u know, make sure u are good in it. Y u can write a software in different languages and depending on which one the programmer is good in

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 10:39pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:
but do u know python was developed from c++ and that's how all programming languages work. A new language springs up from existing once.

You just made my point.

Even core python implementation is written in c++ and yet you say no one uses c++ again.

What do you think the python developers working on new releases are using

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 10:41pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:
but do u know python was developed from c++ and that's how all programming languages work. A new language springs up from existing once.
And here is where my topic and curiosity comes in. Y are people afraid to move with d pace at which the world is evolving. Rather we want to still wallow on past glories. Apart from java and python which are still very relevant. All the old languages like basic, c, c,++ e.t.c are going obsolete and that's the fact. No one codes with them. Just as Greek and Latin are the origin of English language and they are obsolete now
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 10:43pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:

And here is where my topic and curiosity comes in. Y are people afraid to move with d pace at which the world is evolving. Rather we want to still wallow on past glories. Apart from java and python which are still very relevant. All the old languages like basic, c, c,++ e.t.c are going obsolete and that's the fact. No one codes with them. Just as Greek and Latin are the origin of English language and they are obsolete now

Just to absolutely clear.

You are saying python is a replacement of c++

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