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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 10:44pm On Jun 06
resosdigital:


You just made my point.

Even core python implementation is written in c++ and yet you say no one uses c++ again.

What do you think the python developers working on new releases are using
Ofcos yes. Y go below what u av an upgrade. Have u seen people degrading the latest os for the old. Nah. Because when the percentage of those that write programming in java and python is very high. Y do one remain with c++
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 10:45pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:

And here is where my topic and curiosity comes in. Y are people afraid to move with d pace at which the world is evolving. Rather we want to still wallow on past glories. Apart from java and python which are still very relevant. All the old languages like basic, c, c,++ e.t.c are going obsolete and that's the fact. No one codes with them. Just as Greek and Latin are the origin of English language and they are obsolete now

Even your tensorflow is written majorly written in c++.

Guy you just dey off me this night I swear
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 10:46pm On Jun 06
resosdigital:


Just to absolutely clear.

You are saying python is a replacement of c++
Sure. Only few people still uses c++. Google it and find out. Try to search top 10 most use programming languages and u will get ur answer. I am not saying its not been used but not as widely as python and java
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 10:54pm On Jun 06
helpsystem:

Sure. Only few people still uses c++. Google it and find out. Try to search top 10 most use programming languages and u will get ur answer. I am not saying its not been used but not as widely as python and java

C and c++ runs the programming world bro.

https://www.toptal.com/c/after-all-these-years-the-world-is-still-powered-by-c-programming
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 11:06pm On Jun 06
resosdigital:


C and c++ runs the programming world bro.

https://www.toptal.com/c/after-all-these-years-the-world-is-still-powered-by-c-programming
No point arguing cos since it seems u aren't getting my point but I got yours and its not as if I differ entirely with ur point. So I will just put it at a full stop here. But pls do ur research well and maybe one day u will get my point and if that day ever comes, pls feel free to quote me.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Samsonari: 12:42am On Jun 07
I understand what helpsystem is talking about.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by asalimpo(m): 5:33am On Jun 07
helpsystem:

Ofcos yes. Y go below what u av an upgrade. Have u seen people degrading the latest os for the old. Nah. Because when the percentage of those that write programming in java and python is very high. Y do one remain with c++
popularity is not synonymous with superiority or merit.
Betamax was technologically superior to vhs but vhs won the market at the end of d day.

C,c++ are not in the same league as java,python etc.
They are obsolete if what they excel at can b easily done by newer languages-more efficiently. But newer languages cant do all what c,c++ do.
So c nd c++ will still b around for a loooong time.

2) c++ is still evolving. Adding new features,deprecating some without sacrificing its core philosophy.

For data manipulation- the kind of programming u refer to- u dont need c,c++. For systems programming, you do. In many cases,they hav no substitutes. Rust is a new contender but outside of it,c n c++ will still b around for a long time.

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by asalimpo(m): 5:51am On Jun 07
helpsystem:
When I see most people still talking about the old python, java, e.t.c. in this our part of the world, I tend to wonder if we are ever going to catch up with the rest of the world in innovations and rapid development.
Don't get me wrong, learning primary languages such as c++, python, java, r programming, e.t.c is essential, but in the present reality, this programming languages is more or less like learning English language, French language, Spanish language, e.t.c.
What should be more of focus is cloud computing, data analysis, machine learning, artificial intelligence, big data, software development, e.t.c. because this are now what set the technology pace.
Ofcos one can't do all these without learning basic programming, but presently nobody writes bogus programming anymore when you can just write a two or few lines of code which will easily execute and give desire result.
In conclusion, I am just trying to let us Africa to look beyond the basic programming of 10years ago and put our focus on the the most essentials like tensorflow, datalab, e.t.c. our pace is too slow, we need to set our priorities right.
In medicals, technologies, weather forecasting, marketing, accounting e.t.c are all been overtaking by a.i and ml. In few more years the most lucrative jobs will be taking by those who understand a.i and ml.
a.i nd mL are still in their infancy. As far as computer chips remain d same and operate the way they do, programming will still b done the old fashioned way.
A.i nd mL will still co exist with non ai programming.

The 2 or few lines of code tht does everything for you has to do so piggybacking on millions of lines of code som1 else wrote.

Cloud computing- not every software is online or needs to b online.

Data analysis- not every software is or needs to analyse huge data sets.

Programming is essentially issuing instructions to a computer to execute.
All d instructions you give d computer (the program) cannot be fit into some trendy boxes - mL,ai,cloud computing, data analytics etc.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Abcruz(m): 7:31am On Jun 07
resosdigital:


Then I am very curious how you do "graphical programming" in python

I use python for text based programming.
But a variety of visual softwares depending on my task, are available for graphical programming which are also written in Python, c#, java... with complex algorithms.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by toks4wonder: 7:38am On Jun 07
resosdigital:


grin
Graphical programming??

You know absolutely nothing about programming. Sorry to say
grin grin grin , it is very obvious, I guess he is referring to wordpress

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Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 9:54am On Jun 07
asalimpo:

popularity is not synonymous with superiority or merit.
Betamax was technologically superior to vhs but vhs won the market at the end of d day.

C,c++ are not in the same league as java,python etc.
They are obsolete if what they excel at can b easily done by newer languages-more efficiently. But newer languages cant do all what c,c++ do.
So c nd c++ will still b around for a loooong time.

2) c++ is still evolving. Adding new features,deprecating some without sacrificing its core philosophy.

For data manipulation- the kind of programming u refer to- u dont need c,c++. For systems programming, you do. In many cases,they hav no substitutes. Rust is a new contender but outside of it,c n c++ will still b around for a long time.
Finally someone who understands programming
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 12:01pm On Jun 07
If u read and try to digest what I wrote and my topic. U will understand that I am not condemning or praising a programming language rather. I am enlightening programmers what is really been popularly sought after and what one need to develop on. But u are just trying to prove here how one need to still learn programming from scratch. Not everyone must and will code in c++ or c. But knowing it is a plus but not a necessity. Rather before any company employ a c++ programmer, they would av consider a data scientist 100times in d present world.
C and C++ are assembly language as someone already said. But do u know u can build an ai, that will comfortably code in c and c++ for u and build a lot of machines, os. So y disturb urself when u can just instruct an ai what u visualise and think. And it will get done for u.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 12:07pm On Jun 07
My brother ml and ai is new but is the future and present. All ur c and c++ are been done by a machine. Wake up. Even microsoft, google amazon. Are adopting A.I and ML. Pls read and try do a lot more research and u will understand and not left behind in ur believe of old knowledge is still d best.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 12:21pm On Jun 07
asalimpo:

a.i nd mL are still in their infancy. As far as computer chips remain d same and operate the way they do, programming will still b done the old fashioned way.
A.i nd mL will still co exist with non ai programming.

The 2 or few lines of code tht does everything for you has to do so piggybacking on millions of lines of code som1 else wrote.

Cloud computing- not every software is online or needs to b online.

Data analysis- not every software is or needs to analyse huge data sets.

Programming is essentially issuing instructions to a computer to execute.
All d instructions you give d computer (the program) cannot be fit into some trendy boxes - mL,ai,cloud computing, data analytics etc.

I agree to all the bold text above.
Cloud computing is more than what u think. When u need to process, store and secure a large number of information and data. U need cloud computing. How many system do u think can process a petabyte of data? None bro.
Also programming been done in d old fashion way. Bro u are still in 20th century, in 21st no its not d same way. Do ur research and contradict me.
And about u fitting all instruction giving to a computer in a box. Its highly possible and already been done. Example. Self driving car using ai. Go and read about it.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 12:27pm On Jun 07
Until u realise all the whole libraries of old programming languages are now packed in a box and giving to a machine to learn and understand and even bringing out better solutions and better machines and solving problems that we take humans years to solve in just a matter of seconds. My brother wake up. Things that u can't imagine to be possible in few years ago are presently been surpassed presently.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 12:44pm On Jun 07
helpsystem:


I agree to all the bold text above.
Cloud computing is more than what u think. When u need to process, store and secure a large number of information and data. U need cloud computing. How many system do u think can process a petabyte of data? None bro.
Also programming been done in d old fashion way. Bro u are still in 20th century, in 21st no its not d same way. Do ur research and contradict me.
And about u fitting all instruction giving to a computer in a box. Its highly possible and already been done. Example. Self driving car using ai. Go and read about it.

You do know that cloud computing is still done by computer systems and there are super computers that process hundreds of petabytes per second.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 12:46pm On Jun 07
helpsystem:
If u read and try to digest what I wrote and my topic. U will understand that I am not condemning or praising a programming language rather. I am enlightening programmers what is really been popularly sought after and what one need to develop on. But u are just trying to prove here how one need to still learn programming from scratch. Not everyone must and will code in c++ or c. But knowing it is a plus but not a necessity. Rather before any company employ a c++ programmer, they would av consider a data scientist 100times in d present world.
C and C++ are assembly language as someone already said. But do u know u can build an ai, that will comfortably code in c and c++ for u and build a lot of machines, os. So y disturb urself when u can just instruct an ai what u visualise and think. And it will get done for u.

Sorry to say bro but you seem not to have any real world experience about any of this.

Ai that writes c++ and builds operating systems. Smh
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by xfactordv: 1:45pm On Jun 07
[quote author=helpsystem post=79100754]My broda nigerians dont research ,. abeg gve me ur contact .oil de ur head
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Abcruz(m): 2:04pm On Jun 07
resosdigital:


You do know that cloud computing is still done by computer systems and there are super computers that process hundreds of petabytes per second.

There are but they are so expensive and the resources to maintain them are skyrocketing.

The idea behind cloud computing is that any individual can process large amount of data without having the needed infrastructure to execute the task.

Cloud computing is the future of data science.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by resosdigital(m): 2:06pm On Jun 07
Exactly.

And Not making it seem like cloud computers are are different from regular computers.

Cloud computing is simply instead of maintaining your own servers and super computers, you pay someone else to use theirs.

Abcruz:


There are but they are so expensive and the resources to maintain them are skyrocketing.

The idea behind cloud computing is that any individual can process large amount of data without having the needed infrastructure to execute the task.

Cloud computing is the future of data science.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 2:48pm On Jun 07
resosdigital:
Exactly.

And Not making it seem like cloud computers are are different from regular computers.

Cloud computing is simply instead of maintaining your own servers and super computers, you pay someone else to use theirs.


U are still getting me wrong bro. I am not talking abt computers here. Just talking about what people really need to focus on in dis century. Read my first post and get it as simple as ABC.
What my post is about is just to enlightened nairalanders and what really inspired me was when I came to programming section I noticed people are not discussing on latest trends in programming. Why I try introducing tensorflow, cloud computing, ml and ai. Outside the shore of Nigeria and Africa to my knowledge and expertise. This are now defining tech world.
Go and check top tech companies and tech jobs and try to find out the kind of professionals they are seeking now.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 2:49pm On Jun 07
[quote author=xfactordv post=79103717][/quote]
Prefer to b anonymous. Will prefer all discussions here.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 2:51pm On Jun 07
resosdigital:


Sorry to say bro but you seem not to have any real world experience about any of this.

Ai that writes c++ and builds operating systems. Smh

U are so funny. No real world experience but this is what I do for a living. So ironic cheesy
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Darivie04(m): 4:42pm On Jun 07
resosdigital:


grin
Graphical programming??

You know absolutely nothing about programming. Sorry to say
Don't mind him...

Graphical programming or programming using graphics is real his claims about it are unrealistic and naive.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Darivie04(m): 4:43pm On Jun 07
helpsystem:


U are so funny. No real world experience but this is what I do for a living. So ironic cheesy
The fact that you may do "this" for a living doesn't mean anything
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by xfactordv: 6:03pm On Jun 07
[quote author=helpsystem post=79105598]would love some step by step guide to learn ai , like things to get , learn etc
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by stanliwise(m): 6:51pm On Jun 07
asalimpo:

popularity is not synonymous with superiority or merit.
Betamax was technologically superior to vhs but vhs won the market at the end of d day.

C,c++ are not in the same league as java,python etc.
They are obsolete if what they excel at can b easily done by newer languages-more efficiently. But newer languages cant do all what c,c++ do.
So c nd c++ will still b around for a loooong time.

2) c++ is still evolving. Adding new features,deprecating some without sacrificing its core philosophy.

For data manipulation- the kind of programming u refer to- u dont need c,c++. For systems programming, you do. In many cases,they hav no substitutes. Rust is a new contender but outside of it,c n c++ will still b around for a long time.
I liked your post but I would like to say C++ is not obsolete, with emergence of recent trends, Programmers has delegated many of it task to scripting languages which is basically what you're saying but why I have to restate is, as a programmer you can use C++ to do what other people would like to use scripting language for, fact is C++ should been seen as an overkill rather than being obsolete.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by helpsystem: 9:36pm On Jun 07
[quote author=xfactordv post=79111336][/quote]
to learn a.i. i will recommend you make use of online learning platforms like coursera.org, udemy.com, e.t.c. mostly these are paid courses. but i can put u through on how to apply for there scholarship. also while doing the courses, if u need my help, i will b available. also try join kaggle.com its a platform for programmers, it will really help too.
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by jupyter: 10:54am On Jun 09
Abcruz:


You have spoken well.

Presently I can categorically tell you that coding itself is old fashioned. "Graphical programming" is currently the order of the day.

Coding is error prone and time consuming but with graphical programming, complex algorithms are embedded on a friendly user interface and programming is as easy as dragging an icon and placing it in the right direction.

What it takes a professional programmer to execute in a day can now be done by a total novice with no knowledge of programming to accomplish in a minute.

Unfortunately the majority are stalked in past glory and would rather resist change until they're totally left behind.

Seriously bro what a wrong and misleading write up!!!
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by Darivie04(m): 11:16am On Jun 09
jupyter:


Seriously bro what a wrong and misleading write up!!!
Lol, what do you expect from this type of thread.

When the OP himself is disillusioned
Re: Programming Not Enough Anymore: Data Analysis, Ml And A.i Is The Future. by jupyter: 11:23am On Jun 09
helpsystem:
If u read and try to digest what I wrote and my topic. U will understand that I am not condemning or praising a programming language rather. I am enlightening programmers what is really been popularly sought after and what one need to develop on. But u are just trying to prove here how one need to still learn programming from scratch. Not everyone must and will code in c++ or c. But knowing it is a plus but not a necessity. Rather before any company employ a c++ programmer, they would av consider a data scientist 100times in d present world.
C and C++ are assembly language as someone already said. But do u know u can build an ai, that will comfortably code in c and c++ for u and build a lot of machines, os. So y disturb urself when u can just instruct an ai what u visualise and think. And it will get done for u.


Do C++ programmer and Data Scientist do the same thing? how can one consider Data scientist over c++ programmer

Do not be misled by the hype of AI, ML etc, we are still very far from achieving human level intelligence and break through if you really know how ML works.

Building AI system that can code in say C or C++ is still an active research, they are mostly Generative task. Also such system require a huge data for training, so where do u expect such a data to come from if not from human coders. You certainly don't want to use such for serious task.

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