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What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 2:03pm On Jun 09
Firstly, I can’t take any credit for the writing you see below. I received a link on Facebook to this piece, which was originally a ‘Facebook note’ written by an American. (so excuse the references to American situations) Someone got in contact with the author and received his consent to share it on m.news24.com. I in turn decided to share it here on nairaland.
I share this article mainly because I found it to be a very enjoyable and thought provoking read, I also agree with the author’s views completely and feel this is an interesting angle on the usual ‘theist vs atheist’ debate.
So Enjoy.
How does anybody know God is more moral than Satan? If it’s because the bible says so, then that is arbitrary and followers of the bible are basically just listening to God saying “I’m the good one, follow me.” If it’s due to observing actions and judging god’s actions to be better, then can’t we just use those standards to judge our actions, making god unnecessary? Besides, Satan hasn't even bothered authoring a book and telling his side of the story.
What if God was actually the evil one and Satan was in fact good? After all, God is responsible for 250 million deaths, while Satan is responsible for only 10, all of which God commanded of him. If something bad happens like an earthquake or a Tsunami, we tend to call it 'an act of god' not an 'act of the devil'. Why?
It beggars my belief that millions of 'believers' claim that god is good, when the 'evidence' from his alleged behaviours and teachings is so comprehensively the opposite. Throughout the bible there are numerous accounts of god dishing out divine punishment by way of genocide, plagues, ethnic cleansing, and the like. If the bible were the word of god, then god supports infanticide, slavery, torture genocide and all manner of death destruction and suffering. I do not know of any mention of the devil being blamed for such things.
Just take the Crucifixion as an example - the foundation of the Christian religion. This is nothing less than a human sacrifice, and purportedly to allow sinners to go free of punishment for their sins. What father would have his own son, a 'good man' by all accounts, brutally tortured and murdered so that 'bad' people could be let of their crimes? If the answer is that god loves us all and wants us to be forgiven why did he not just do that? Why insist on a bloodthirsty Crucifixion first?
God is clearly a tyrant. He has committed many acts of evil, and somehow managed to amass an incredible following. That means God must be the ultimate deceiver. He has painted Satan as the deceiver to disguise his own faults and gain worshipers in a classic manner.
If the tyrannical dictator can condemn the good guy and convince enough people, he can get away with much evil. This is a ploy commonly used by skillful politicians and anyone who seeks personal gain at the expense of others.
Furthermore, Satan purportedly rebelled against this evil tyrant, even though he was greatly outnumbered and faced an omnipotent being. That, according to our common beliefs, (as we praise military heroes who sacrifice themselves for the good of their nation) is not only admirable, but makes Satan a martyr.
The only thing that Satan is accused of doing 'wrong' was encouraging the naive Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge. Is knowledge a bad thing? Surely not. Knowledge has enabled mankind to cure infectious diseases, perform life saving surgery, feed the hungry, rescue victims of natural disasters in helicopters, lifeboats and the like.
God, who would deny us this knowledge, has, according to believers, punished the whole of mankind in perpetuity for this 'original sin', as well as punishing all species of snake for ever more by removing their legs! God, who supposedly can cure all these things by invoking miracles chooses not to, except for a few demonstrations of his alleged power by curing one leper victim - rather than eliminating leprosy, he will feed 5,000 with a loaf and a fish but will not eliminate starvation and hunger, make a blind man see but leave countless others still blind etc etc .
God is no more than a terrorist, that is why his followers are said to be 'god fearing'. His followers must surely be evil at heart because they believe that we all (including themselves) would be incapable of being good, moral people unless we learn to 'fear' this tyrant and do his bidding, like Abraham who was terrorized to the brink of killing his own innocent son for fear of god's wrath. How cruel and sadistic was that? OK so god let him off at the last minute, but if a human being did what god was supposed to have done in the Abraham story he or she would end up in prison, or maybe a psychiatric hospital.
What is it in the human psyche that facilitates such a mass delusion and failure of objectivity? Maybe the desire to a happy afterlife is so overwhelming that we (well the religious 'believers' at any rate') turn a blind eye to god's overwhelming propensity for evil. And isn't that selfish and evil in it's own way? Just as many ordinary Germans did not speak out against Hitler and the Nazis' in the years leading up to and during the second World War for fear of risking their own necks. It's clear that all religious people suffer from Stockholm syndrome since a common theme I have noticed in the Western religions is the idea that our earthly existence is one of suffering and only in death can we find release from this suffering, through salvation. But we can’t intentionally escape this suffering early (i.e. commit suicide), because that’s a sin. So we’re stuck in this world, one where we are doomed to suffer, until we are given the sweet release of death. Seems like a captive situation to me.
The underlying premise of Stockholm syndrome is the captor convinces the captives that he is capable of ending their life and is willing to do so, the captives believe it is safer to align with their captor and endure their captivity than to resist and face death. How does this compare to Christianity? Two words: Pascal’s Wager. Being God-fearing is a staple of classical Christian practices, and even outside of those religions, most religions (including all Western religions, to my knowledge) include something in their dogma about how being a believer in that religion is the only way to achieve salvation, and all who deny that religion, regardless of how they lived their lives and whether they were a moral person, will face eternal damnation. As such, it’s better to believe in a potentially non-existing deity for the chance at salvation than to reject that deity and risk damnation. The captives’ motivation to live outweighs their impulse to hate the person who created their dilemma. The idea of personal tragedy as a “test of faith” serves as testament to the legitimacy of this analogy.
Another characteristic of Stockholm Syndrome is the captives view the captor as being benevolent simply by virtue of his lack of malevolent actions, and are willing to overlook malevolence on the captor’s part if some kindness is shown. I don’t think this one is exclusive to the Christian God. How many of you have ever heard the phrase, “Count your blessings”? One of the important teachings of Christianity (and many religions, I would imagine) is to be thankful for what you have, rather than wanting more or wanting to have fewer of the things you don’t want. Now, someone who has had nothing but misery in their life would probably find it hard to believe in a loving God, just as someone who is held captive by a captor who is constantly tormenting them will grow to hate their captor. But just as captives focus on the brief showings of benevolence by their captor, so Christianity teaches its followers to be thankful for the blessings their Lord has given them, rather than resentful of him for the things that he has denied them or taken away. In the world's poorest countries -- those with average per-capita incomes of $2,000 or lower -- the median proportion who say religion is important in their daily lives is 95%. In contrast, the median for the richest countries -- those with average per-capita incomes higher than $25,000 -- is 47%. [ http://www.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx ]
But even more than that, a big focus on Christian worship is being thankful for the things you still have, the things the Lord hasn’t taken away. Things like your family, your eyesight, your health—the things most people take for granted. This is one of the main points that lead me to consider the analogy between faith and Stockholm syndrome, because in a captive situation, captives begin to mistake a lack of abuse for kindness and develop feelings of appreciation for this mercy, which they perceive as actual benevolence, much like how religious people perceive not losing the things that are important to them as a blessing from their God. This is why believers have to construct miracles out of perfectly explicable natural events. This happens every time there is a tragedy or near tragedy of any kind, anywhere in the world. Take the batman shooting for example. 14 people died, 50 wounded, but somehow this tragic event yielded "miracles." Captain "Sully" Sullenberger pilots a distressed plane to land safely on the Hudson River in New York City with no deaths, and it's a miracle from God. Perhaps, just perhaps, God brought that plane down, and Satan saved it like an invisible Superman, or God sent that gunman into the theatre, but Satan saved all the people he could.
I’m not suggesting that being thankful for the things we haven’t lost is a bad thing; I’m just pointing out that it bears a striking resemblance to what happens in a real-life captive situation (Stockholm syndrome). In real life, we consider Stockholm syndrome to be a paradox, a defence mechanism against an undesirable situation. In other words, it is considered irrational. The lucid opinion to hold is resentment towards your captor, not affection. So why isn’t the same judgement applied to faith? If we accept the dogmatic elements discussed above as true, why isn’t in considered lucid to resent such a God, rather than praise him?
Satan is the only deity who truly stands for free will. God threatens us with punishments for not adhering to his wishes. But Satan tells us that we should enjoy our lives and be happy and free to do what we think is right.
If I believed in any kind of deity, I would most certainly worship Satan, become his devout follower and take up his noble fight against tyranny. Satan stands for justice, according to the biblical story, if you read it objectively. If only the story were true, he would be one of the greatest heroes in history, fighting what he surely knew would be a losing battle, but doing so for the sake of the greater good and to provide an example to the rest of us.
Just as the United States rebelled against British rule and gained their own freedom, Satan fought for freedom for all angels. Unfortunately, he lost the battle, which is a real tragedy.

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Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 6:36pm On Jun 09
MISHIGAS!

tonyxxx:
Firstly, I can’t take any credit for the writing you see below. I received a link on Facebook to this piece, which was originally a ‘Facebook note’ written by an American. (so excuse the references to American situations) Someone got in contact with the author and received his consent to share it on m.news24.com. I in turn decided to share it here on nairaland.

THIS IS ONE OF THE STUPIDEST WRITINGS I HAVE EVER READ IN MY LIFE- AND I HAVE READ MAD MAGAZINE!

It is not even original.

https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/What-if-God-was-actually-the-evil-one-20121025

I share this article mainly because I found it to be a very enjoyable and thought provoking read, I also agree with the author’s views completely and feel this is an interesting angle on the usual ‘theist vs atheist’ debate.
So Enjoy.

IT TAKES A SPECIAL SORT OF IDIOCY TO CALL SOMETHING LIKE THIS "ENJOYABLE."

This is called "BLASPHEMY."

Talking like this compromises your Eternal Destiny!

Things will be done to your SOUL that cannot be UNDONE.

How does anybody know God is more moral than Satan? If it’s because the bible says so, then that is arbitrary and followers of the bible are basically just listening to God saying “I’m the good one, follow me.” If it’s due to observing actions and judging god’s actions to be better, then can’t we just use those standards to judge our actions, making god unnecessary? Besides, Satan hasn't even bothered authoring a book and telling his side of the story.

THE BIBLE IS THE MAIN COLLECTION OF SCRIPTURAL WRITINGS ABOUT GOD.

These Scriptures teach us how to access and perceive the Spiritual Realm, so that we can see for ourselves who is good and who is evil.

The Scriptures do a good job of describing the modus operandi of God and Satan. If you want to disparage The Bible as Source of Information about the contrasting morality of God and Satan, what alternative do you offer?

You offer none.

When you talk about "GOD," you are talking about YAHWEH GOD of The Bible. When you talk about "SATAN," you are talking about THE DEVIL of The Bible.

When you want to judge them, you have to draw upon those written accounts of what they said, did, and intend.

You have to be a fool to juxtapose the perception of their morality, based on pure imagination.

What if God was actually the evil one and Satan was in fact good?

The Nigerian reader should be intelligent, and bear in mind the calibre of total fool who is writing this garbage.

They have to be an OYINBO, or a fool who follows Oyinbos.

The Oyinbos were Savage Sea-Pirates, who invade other peoples' lands, and say that they are the owners of those lands, because they planted some tablecloth they call "flag" on it.

When the inhabitants of those lands protested that they had prior tenure, the Oyinbos killed them by the thousands.

They did this by pressing the flower of their own youth into service, both by force, and by brainwashing from childhood, that it is a good thing to kill and die for their country, so that they can take their stuff.

Oyinbos are basically the descendants of people who did immoral things- namely, theft, murder, and destruction of other people's rightful property, who have been brainwashed since childhood, to believe that this was RIGHT: their "MANIFEST DESTINY."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8f7ycnUtU

The 55-65th minutes are especially illuminating for anyone still in the dark as to what Oyinbos stand for.

When this Barbarian Waste Product of that so-called "CIVILIZATION" tells us that SATAN is more MORAL to him than GOD, no one should be surprised.

After all, God is responsible for 250 million deaths, while Satan is responsible for only 10, all of which God commanded of him.

THIS WOULD BE IGNORANT REFERENCES TO THE GREAT FLOOD, AND THE DEATHS OF JOB'S TEN CHILDREN, DURING HIS TEMPTATION.

Like all ignorant fools, the American Idiot has completely forgotten about Job's eldest son's HOUSE STAFF- all of whom perished, with ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

He has forgotten about the keepers of his three thousand Sheep- who were all killed by lightning, leaving ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

He has forgotten about the keepers of the five hundred Oxen and five hundred She-Donkeys who were all massacred by the Sabeans- leaving ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

He has forgotten about the keepers of the three thousand Camels, who were massacred by the Chaldeans- leaving the ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

These are easily hundreds into thousands of people, who were all destroyed by SATAN- whom the scumbag author just airbrushed out of History- EXACTLY AS THEY DO IN THEIR OWN HISTORIES!

Those people are not considered important. If Oyinbos could think about the details of Satan's collateral damage, they would have to think about their own.

People whom their immediate ancestors murdered and tortured to give them their current standard-of-living.

If something bad happens like an earthquake or a Tsunami, we tend to call it 'an act of god' not an 'act of the devil'. Why?
It beggars my belief that millions of 'believers' claim that god is good, when the 'evidence' from his alleged behaviours and teachings is so comprehensively the opposite.

THE OYINBOS CALL NATURAL DISASTERS "ACTS OF GOD."

In their native, European countries, they have NO EARTHQUAKE, they have NO TSUNAMI, they have NO TORNADO.

They cross the Ocean, and kill their way into a land that was not theirs.

They KNOW where every FAULT LINE is.

They KNOW where the TORNADOES occur.

They KNOW where the HURRICANES pass.

THAT IS WHERE THEY PLACE THEIR CITIES.

When their skyscraper topples onto their Primary School, or some such (*Bleep!*)it, they say:

"WHY DID GOD LET THIS HAPPEN"

Throughout the bible there are numerous accounts of god dishing out divine punishment by way of genocide, plagues, ethnic cleansing, and the like.

WHY DID GOD ISSUE THE PUNISHMENTS?[/b]

This was because those people followed SATAN, instead of GOD.


. GENESIS 17:1-7.

AND when Abram was
ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared to Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant
is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a Father of many Nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called "Abram,"
but thy name shall be "Abraham;"
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee
Exceeding Fruitful,
and I will make
nations of thee,
and kings shall
come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish
My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee
in their Generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee."

[quote[If the bible were the word of god, then god supports infanticide, slavery, torture genocide and all manner of death destruction and suffering.


I do not know of any mention of the devil being blamed for such things.
Just take the Crucifixion as an example - the foundation of the Christian religion. This is nothing less than a human sacrifice, and purportedly to allow sinners to go free of punishment for their sins.


What father would have his own son, a 'good man' by all accounts, brutally tortured and murdered so that 'bad' people could be let of their crimes?


If the answer is that god loves us all and wants us to be forgiven why did he not just do that? Why insist on a bloodthirsty Crucifixion first?


God is clearly a tyrant. He has committed many acts of evil, and somehow managed to amass an incredible following. That means God must be the ultimate deceiver. He has painted Satan as the deceiver to disguise his own faults and gain worshipers in a classic manner.


If the tyrannical dictator can condemn the good guy and convince enough people, he can get away with much evil. This is a ploy commonly used by skillful politicians and anyone who seeks personal gain at the expense of others.




Furthermore, Satan purportedly rebelled against this evil tyrant, even though he was greatly outnumbered and faced an omnipotent being. That, according to our common beliefs, (as we praise military heroes who sacrifice themselves for the good of their nation) is not only admirable, but makes Satan a martyr.[/quote


[quote]The only thing that Satan is accused of doing 'wrong' was encouraging the naive Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge.



[quote]Is knowledge a bad thing? Surely not. Knowledge has enabled mankind to cure infectious diseases, perform life saving surgery, feed the hungry, rescue victims of natural disasters in helicopters, lifeboats and the like.



God, who would deny us this knowledge, has, according to believers, punished the whole of mankind in perpetuity for this 'original sin', as well as punishing all species of snake for ever more by removing their legs!



God, who supposedly can cure all these things by invoking miracles chooses not to, except for a few demonstrations of his alleged power by curing one leper victim - rather than eliminating leprosy, he will feed 5,000 with a loaf and a fish but will not eliminate starvation and hunger, make a blind man see but leave countless others still blind etc etc .


God is no more than a terrorist, that is why his followers are said to be 'god fearing'. His followers must surely be evil at heart because they believe that we all (including themselves) would be incapable of being good, moral people unless we learn to 'fear' this tyrant and do his bidding, like Abraham who was terrorized to the brink of killing his own innocent son for fear of god's wrath. How cruel and sadistic was that? OK so god let him off at the last minute, but if a human being did what god was supposed to have done in the Abraham story he or she would end up in prison, or maybe a psychiatric hospital.



What is it in the human psyche that facilitates such a mass delusion and failure of objectivity? Maybe the desire to a happy afterlife is so overwhelming that we (well the religious 'believers' at any rate') turn a blind eye to god's overwhelming propensity for evil. And isn't that selfish and evil in it's own way?



Just as many ordinary Germans did not speak out against Hitler and the Nazis' in the years leading up to and during the second World War for fear of risking their own necks. It's clear that all religious people suffer from Stockholm syndrome since a common theme I have noticed in the Western religions is the idea that our earthly existence is one of suffering and only in death can we find release from this suffering, through salvation.


But we can’t intentionally escape this suffering early (i.e. commit suicide), because that’s a sin. So we’re stuck in this world, one where we are doomed to suffer, until we are given the sweet release of death. Seems like a captive situation to me.



The underlying premise of Stockholm syndrome is the captor convinces the captives that he is capable of ending their life and is willing to do so, the captives believe it is safer to align with their captor and endure their captivity than to resist and face death.



How does this compare to Christianity? Two words: Pascal’s Wager.

Being God-fearing is a staple of classical Christian practices, and even outside of those religions, most religions (including all Western religions, to my knowledge) include something in their dogma about how being a believer in that religion is the only way to achieve salvation, and all who deny that religion, regardless of how they lived their lives and whether they were a moral person, will face eternal damnation. As such, it’s better to believe in a potentially non-existing deity for the chance at salvation than to reject that deity and risk damnation. The captives’ motivation to live outweighs their impulse to hate the person who created their dilemma. The idea of personal tragedy as a “test of faith” serves as testament to the legitimacy of this analogy.


Another characteristic of Stockholm Syndrome is the captives view the captor as being benevolent simply by virtue of his lack of malevolent actions, and are willing to overlook malevolence on the captor’s part if some kindness is shown. I don’t think this one is exclusive to the Christian God. How many of you have ever heard the phrase, “Count your blessings”? One of the important teachings of Christianity (and many religions, I would imagine) is to be thankful for what you have, rather than wanting more or wanting to have fewer of the things you don’t want.



Now, someone who has had nothing but misery in their life would probably find it hard to believe in a loving God, just as someone who is held captive by a captor who is constantly tormenting them will grow to hate their captor. But just as captives focus on the brief showings of benevolence by their captor, so Christianity teaches its followers to be thankful for the blessings their Lord has given them, rather than resentful of him for the things that he has denied them or taken away. In the world's poorest countries -- those with average per-capita incomes of $2,000 or lower -- the median proportion who say religion is important in their daily lives is 95%. In contrast, the median for the richest countries -- those with average per-capita incomes higher than $25,000 -- is 47%. [ http://www.gallup.com/poll/142727/religiosity-highest-world-poorest-nations.aspx ]
But even more than that, a big focus on Christian worship is being thankful for the things you still have, the things the Lord hasn’t taken away. Things like your family, your eyesight, your health—the things most people take for granted. This is one of the main points that lead me to consider the analogy between faith and Stockholm syndrome, because in a captive situation, captives begin to mistake a lack of abuse for kindness and develop feelings of appreciation for this mercy, which they perceive as actual benevolence, much like how religious people perceive not losing the things that are important to them as a blessing from their God.



This is why believers have to construct miracles out of perfectly explicable natural events. This happens every time there is a tragedy or near tragedy of any kind, anywhere in the world. Take the batman shooting for example. 14 people died, 50 wounded, but somehow this tragic event yielded "miracles." Captain "Sully" Sullenberger pilots a distressed plane to land safely on the Hudson River in New York City with no deaths, and it's a miracle from God. Perhaps, just perhaps, God brought that plane down, and Satan saved it like an invisible Superman, or God sent that gunman into the theatre, but Satan saved all the people he could.



I’m not suggesting that being thankful for the things we haven’t lost is a bad thing; I’m just pointing out that it bears a striking resemblance to what happens in a real-life captive situation (Stockholm syndrome). In real life, we consider Stockholm syndrome to be a paradox, a defence mechanism against an undesirable situation. In other words, it is considered irrational.



The lucid opinion to hold is resentment towards your captor, not affection. So why isn’t the same judgement applied to faith?


If we accept the dogmatic elements discussed above as true, why isn’t in considered lucid to resent such a God, rather than praise him?




Satan is the only deity who truly stands for free will. God threatens us with punishments for not adhering to his wishes. But Satan tells us that we should enjoy our lives and be happy and free to do what we think is right.



If I believed in any kind of deity, I would most certainly worship Satan, become his devout follower and take up his noble fight against tyranny. Satan stands for justice, according to the biblical story, if you read it objectively. If only the story were true, he would be one of the greatest heroes in history, fighting what he surely knew would be a losing battle, but doing so for the sake of the greater good and to provide an example to the rest of us.


Just as the United States rebelled against British rule and gained their own freedom, Satan fought for freedom for all angels. Unfortunately, he lost the battle, which is a real tragedy.
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by lordskid(m): 6:46pm On Jun 09
tonyxxx:

Dont mind those religion zombies, bro! Religion with its grand DECEPTION is the real EVIL.

SCIENCE is the biblical Savior!

Welcome to the Age of Reason, bro!

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Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 10:04pm On Jun 09
oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



THIS IS ONE OF THE STUPIDEST WRITINGS I HAVE EVER READ IN MY LIFE- AND I HAVE READ MAD MAGAZINE!

It is not even original.

https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/What-if-God-was-actually-the-evil-one-20121025



IT TAKES A SPECIAL SORT OF IDIOCY TO CALL SOMETHING LIKE THIS "ENJOYABLE."

This is called "BLASPHEMY."

Talking like this compromises your Eternal Destiny!

Things will be done to your SOUL that cannot be UNDONE.



THE BIBLE IS THE MAIN COLLECTION OF SCRIPTURAL WRITINGS ABOUT GOD.

These Scriptures teach us how to access and perceive the Spiritual Realm, so that we can see for ourselves who is good and who is evil.

The Scriptures do a good job of describing the modus operandi of God and Satan. If you want to disparage The Bible as Source of Information about the contrasting morality of God and Satan, what alternative do you offer?

You offer none.

When you talk about "GOD," you are talking about YAHWEH GOD of The Bible. When you talk about "SATAN," you are talking about THE DEVIL of The Bible.

When you want to judge them, you have to draw upon those written accounts of what they said, did, and intend.

You have to be a fool to juxtapose the perception of their morality, based on pure imagination.



The Nigerian reader should be intelligent, and bear in mind the calibre of total fool who is writing this garbage.

They have to be an OYINBO, or a fool who follows Oyinbos.

The Oyinbos were Savage Sea-Pirates, who invade other peoples' lands, and say that they are the owners of those lands, because they planted some tablecloth they call "flag" on it.

When the inhabitants of those lands protested that they had prior tenure, the Oyinbos killed them by the thousands.

They did this by pressing the flower of their own youth into service, both by force, and by brainwashing from childhood, that it is a good thing to kill and die for their country, so that they can take their stuff.

Oyinbos are basically the descendants of people who did immoral things- namely, theft, murder, and destruction of other people's rightful property, who have been brainwashed since childhood, to believe that this was RIGHT: their "MANIFEST DESTINY."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8f7ycnUtU

The 55-65th minutes are especially illuminating for anyone still in the dark as to what Oyinbos stand for.

When this Barbarian Waste Product of that so-called "CIVILIZATION" tells us that SATAN is more MORAL to him than GOD, no one should be surprised.



THIS WOULD BE IGNORANT REFERENCES TO THE GREAT FLOOD, AND THE DEATHS OF JOB'S TEN CHILDREN, DURING HIS TEMPTATION.

Like all ignorant fools, the American Idiot has completely forgotten about Job's eldest son's HOUSE STAFF- all of whom perished, with ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

He has forgotten about the keepers of his three thousand Sheep- who were all killed by lightning, leaving ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

He has forgotten about the keepers of the five hundred Oxen and five hundred She-Donkeys who were all massacred by the Sabeans- leaving ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

He has forgotten about the keepers of the three thousand Camels, who were massacred by the Chaldeans- leaving the ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

These are easily hundreds into thousands of people, who were all destroyed by SATAN- whom the scumbag author just airbrushed out of History- EXACTLY AS THEY DO IN THEIR OWN HISTORIES!

Those people are not considered important. If Oyinbos could think about the details of Satan's collateral damage, they would have to think about their own.

People whom their immediate ancestors murdered and tortured to give them their current standard-of-living.



THE OYINBOS CALL NATURAL DISASTERS "ACTS OF GOD."

In their native, European countries, they have NO EARTHQUAKE, they have NO TSUNAMI, they have NO TORNADO.

They cross the Ocean, and kill their way into a land that was not theirs.

They KNOW where every FAULT LINE is.

They KNOW where the TORNADOES occur.

They KNOW where the HURRICANES pass.

THAT IS WHERE THEY PLACE THEIR CITIES.

When their skyscraper topples onto their Primary School, or some such (*Bleep!*)it, they say:

"WHY DID GOD LET THIS HAPPEN"




You lost me the moment you made the assumption that the Bible is the main collection of scriptural writing about God. Because it tells me that you would be rather limited in your opinion. imagine trying to explain quantum physics to a kindergarten student, that's how hard it would be for a conditioned mind to ponder the meaning of the article without getting emotional or defensive. Firstly I think the hallmark of being a human being is intelligence, the ability to question things and provide solutions to problems, that's what differentiates us from animals,instead of just following blindly like animals and any human who isnt capable of asking questions, is a conditioned human who's a victim of mental slavery. Secondly,important issues were raised and what informed people would normally do,is to separate the fact from assumptions,but all I see you do is to make insunations of being moraly and spiritually Superior to the idea of the article. however you ended up going into denial mode as well as contradict yourself. To address some of the issues,the old testament God did kill the entire Egyptian first borns,killed off every enemy of one favoured human tribe,nuked sodom and Gomorrah because of one excuse or the other & even wiped off an entire race,save Noah all because people excercised their free will, which he supposedly gave to them during creation. The same God who created you and labeled you a gentile just for being different from the Israelites, displaying racism and favoritism After knowingly creating us differently e.t.c. Thanks for sharing your opinion though.

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Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 5:14am On Jun 10
MISHIGAS!

tonyxxx:
Firstly, I can’t take any credit for the writing you see below. I received a link on Facebook to this piece, which was originally a ‘Facebook note’ written by an American. (so excuse the references to American situations) Someone got in contact with the author and received his consent to share it on m.news24.com. I in turn decided to share it here on nairaland.

THIS IS ONE OF THE STUPIDEST WRITINGS I HAVE EVER READ IN MY LIFE- AND I HAVE READ MAD MAGAZINE!

It is not even original.

https://www.news24.com/MyNews24/What-if-God-was-actually-the-evil-one-20121025

I share this article mainly because I found it to be a very enjoyable and thought provoking read, I also agree with the author’s views completely and feel this is an interesting angle on the usual ‘theist vs atheist’ debate.
So Enjoy.

IT TAKES A SPECIAL SORT OF IDIOCY TO CALL SOMETHING LIKE THIS "ENJOYABLE."

This is called "BLASPHEMY."

. LEVITICUS 24:10-16.

10. And the son
of an Israelitish woman,
whose father was
an Egyptian,
went out among
the Children of Israel:
and this son of
the Israelitish woman
and a Man of Israel
strove together in the camp;
11. And the Israelitish
woman's son blasphemed
The Name of The LORD,
and cursed.
And they brought him
unto Moses:
[and his mother's name
was Shelomith,
the daughter of Dibri,
of the tribe of Dan:]
12. And they put him in ward,
that the Mind of The LORD
might be shewed them.
13. And The LORD Spake
unto Moses,
Saying,

14. "Bring forth him
that hath cursed
without the camp;
and let all that heard him
lay their hands upon his head,
and let all the Congregation
stone him.
15. "And thou shalt speak
unto the Children of Israel,
saying,

'WHOSOEVER CURSETH
HIS GOD
SHALL BEAR HIS SIN.'

16. "And he that blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
he shall surely be
put to Death,
and all the Congregation
shall certainly stone him:
as well the Stranger
as he that is Born in the land,
when he blasphemeth
The Name of The LORD,
shall be put to death."

Talking like this compromises your Eternal Destiny!

Things will be done to your SOUL that cannot be UNDONE.

How does anybody know God is more moral than Satan? If it’s because the bible says so, then that is arbitrary and followers of the bible are basically just listening to God saying “I’m the good one, follow me.” If it’s due to observing actions and judging god’s actions to be better, then can’t we just use those standards to judge our actions, making god unnecessary? Besides, Satan hasn't even bothered authoring a book and telling his side of the story.

THE BIBLE IS THE MAIN COLLECTION OF SCRIPTURAL WRITINGS ABOUT GOD.

These Scriptures teach us how to access and perceive the Spiritual Realm, so that we can see for ourselves who is good and who is evil.

The Scriptures do a good job of describing the modus operandi of God and Satan. If you want to disparage The Bible as Source of Information about the contrasting morality of God and Satan, what alternative do you offer?

You offer none.

When you talk about "GOD," you are talking about YAHWEH GOD of The Bible. When you talk about "SATAN," you are talking about THE DEVIL of The Bible.

When you want to judge them, you have to draw upon those written accounts of what they said, did, and intend.

You have to be a fool to juxtapose the perception of their morality, based on pure imagination.

What if God was actually the evil one and Satan was in fact good?

The Nigerian reader should be intelligent, and bear in mind the calibre of total fool who is writing this garbage.

They have to be an OYINBO, or a fool who follows Oyinbos.

The Oyinbos were Savage Sea-Pirates, who invade other peoples' lands, and say that they are the owners of those lands, because they planted some tablecloth they call "flag" on it.

When the inhabitants of those lands protested that they had prior tenure, the Oyinbos killed them by the thousands.

They did this by pressing the flower of their own youth into service, both by force, and by brainwashing from childhood, that it is a good thing to kill and die for their country, so that they can take their stuff.

Oyinbos are basically the descendants of people who did immoral things- namely, theft, murder, and destruction of other people's rightful property, who have been brainwashed since childhood, to believe that this was RIGHT: their "MANIFEST DESTINY."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj8f7ycnUtU

The 55-65th minutes are especially illuminating for anyone still in the dark as to what Oyinbos stand for.

When this Barbarian Waste Product of that so-called "CIVILIZATION" tells us that SATAN is more MORAL to him than GOD, no one should be surprised.

After all, God is responsible for 250 million deaths, while Satan is responsible for only 10, all of which God commanded of him.

THIS WOULD BE IGNORANT REFERENCES TO THE GREAT FLOOD, AND THE DEATHS OF JOB'S TEN CHILDREN, DURING HIS TEMPTATION.

Like all ignorant fools, the American Idiot has completely forgotten about Job's eldest son's HOUSE STAFF- all of whom perished, with ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

He has forgotten about the keepers of his three thousand Sheep- who were all killed by lightning, leaving ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

He has forgotten about the keepers of the five hundred Oxen and five hundred She-Donkeys who were all massacred by the Sabeans- leaving ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

He has forgotten about the keepers of the three thousand Camels, who were massacred by the Chaldeans- leaving the ONE SOLE SURVIVOR.

These are easily hundreds into thousands of people, who were all destroyed by SATAN- whom the scumbag author just airbrushed out of History- EXACTLY AS THEY DO IN THEIR OWN HISTORIES!

Those people are not considered important. If Oyinbos could think about the details of Satan's collateral damage, they would have to think about their own.

People whom their immediate ancestors murdered and tortured to give them their current standard-of-living.

If something bad happens like an earthquake or a Tsunami, we tend to call it 'an act of god' not an 'act of the devil'. Why?
It beggars my belief that millions of 'believers' claim that god is good, when the 'evidence' from his alleged behaviours and teachings is so comprehensively the opposite.

THE OYINBOS CALL NATURAL DISASTERS "ACTS OF GOD."

In their native, European countries, they have NO EARTHQUAKE, they have NO TSUNAMI, they have NO TORNADO.

They cross the Ocean, and kill their way into a land that was not theirs.

They KNOW where every FAULT LINE is.

They KNOW where the TORNADOES occur.

They KNOW where the HURRICANES pass.

THAT IS WHERE THEY PLACE THEIR CITIES.

When their skyscraper topples onto their Primary School, or some such (*Bleep!*)it, they say:

"WHY DID GOD LET THIS HAPPEN"

Throughout the bible there are numerous accounts of god dishing out divine punishment by way of genocide, plagues, ethnic cleansing, and the like.

WHY DID GOD ISSUE THE PUNISHMENTS?

This was because those people followed SATAN, instead of GOD.

. GENESIS 17:1-7.

AND when Abram was
ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared to Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant
is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a Father of many Nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called "Abram,"
but thy name shall be "Abraham;"
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee
Exceeding Fruitful,
and I will make
nations of thee,
and kings shall
come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish
My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee
in their Generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee."

THE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL WERE THE ONLY PEOPLE ON EARTH, WHOM GOD DEBARRED FROM FOLLOWING ANY GODS OF THEIR CHOICE.

This was because YAHWEH GOD specifically-created their entire people- from the womb of a 90 year old barren woman. All Israelites knew that to be true- they all traced their lineages to that woman.

[quote[If the bible were the word of god, then god supports infanticide, slavery, torture genocide and all manner of death destruction and suffering.[/quote]

. EZEKIEL 18:4.

4. "Behold,
all Souls are Mine:
as the Soul of the father,
so also the Soul of the son
is Mine:
THE SOUL THAT SINNETH,
IT SHALL DIE."

The first thing that has to be known about God is that He is THE CREATOR AND OWNER OF US ALL.

.     EXODUS 20:1-7.

AND God Spake all these Words, Saying,

2. "I (am) The LORD thy God, Which have brought thee
out of The Land of Egypt,
out of The House of Bondage.

3. "Thou shalt have
no other gods before Me.

4. "Thou shalt not
make unto thee
any graven image,
or any likeness (of any thing)
that (is) in the Earth beneath,
or that (is) in the Water
under the Earth:
5. "Thou shalt not
bow down thyself to them,
nor serve them:
for I The LORD thy God
(am) a Jealous God,
visiting the iniquity
of the fathers
upon the third and fourth (generation)
of them that HATE ME.
6. "And shewing Mercy
unto thousands of them
which Love Me,
and Keep My Commandments.

7. "Thou shalt not
take The Name
of The LORD thy God
in vain;
for The LORD will not
hold him guiltless
that taketh His Name
in vain."


I WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT, ACCORDING TO THE ACCOUNT OF THE FIRST TIME GOD TRIED TO ADDRESS AN ENTIRE NATION IN PERSON, HE EXPLICITLY STATED THAT HE HOLDS EVERY HUMAN ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE INIQUITIES OF THEIR PREVIOUS THREE GENERATIONS.

That nation's response to First Contact with God was to FLEE from Him.

I know personally what a Voice like that sounds like: your toenails hear that Voice.

The Voice asked me why I didn't just give THE NEXT STEP FOR GROWING CHRISTIANS, by Jack T. Chick, to a couple of young lads I was witnessing to to buy that book I was showing them. It was my only copy.

They heard nothing: the Voice wasn't speaking to them!

Arrogant Atheistic Fools say that if they ever meet God, they will ask Him thus and so stupid questions.

When they hear God Speak to them in person, they will know immediately what fools they were.

[quote[If the bible were the word of god, then god supports infanticide, slavery, torture genocide and all manner of death destruction and suffering.[/quote]

YES, GOD SUPPORTS ALL THOSE THINGS AND MORE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DISRESPECT HIM.

So, what is the author's response? He DISRESPECTS the same God our Creator.

. PROVERBS 1:1-7.

THE Proverbs of Solomon
the son of David, king of Israel;
2. To know Wisdom
and Instruction;
to perceive
the Words of Understanding;
3. To receive the Instruction
of Wisdom, Justice,
and Judgment,
and Equity;
4. To give subtilty
to the Simple,
to the Young Man
Knowledge and Discretion.
5. A Wise man will hear,
and will increase Learning;
and a Man of Understanding
shall attain unto
Wise Counsels:
6. To understand a Proverb,
and the Interpretation;
the Words of the Wise,
and their Dark Sayings.
7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.


THE AUTHOR IS A FOOL- AS IS THE OP WHO STATED THAT HE ENJOYED HIS BLASPHEMY THAT HE REPOSTED!

Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by Funaki: 6:27am On Jun 10
thank you. we only know one side of the story. Lucifer should give us his own account. grin grin

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Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 7:02am On Jun 10
MISHIGAS!

tonyxxx:
Firstly, I can’t take any credit for the writing you see below. I received a link on Facebook to this piece, which was originally a ‘Facebook note’ written by an American. (so excuse the references to American situations) Someone got in contact with the author and received his consent to share it on m.news24.com. I in turn decided to share it here on nairaland.

. 1th Peter 3:15-16.

15. But sanctify
The LORD God in your hearts:
and be ready always
to give an answer
to every man
that asketh you a reason
of The Hope that is in you
with meekness and fear:
16. Having a good conscience; that, whereas
they speak evil of you,
as of evildoers,
they may be ashamed
that falsely accuse
your good conversation
in Christ.

I FIND IT DISGRACEFUL THAT NO OTHER CHRISTIAN HAS HAD ANYTHING TO SAY TO REPLY TO THIS GARBAGE!

I am angered that I have to take out the trash, all by myself!

What do you go to all those elaborate Church Ritual Ceremonies for, when you are as empty of useful Knowledge before as after?

oaroloye:


. MATTHEW 10:16-20.

16. "Behold, I send you forth
as sheep in the midst of wolves:
be ye therefore wise as serpents,
and harmless as doves.
17. "But Beware of Men:
for they will deliver you up
to the Councils,
and they will scourge you
in their Synagogues;
18. "And ye shall be brought
before governors and kings for my sake,
for a Testimony against them
and the Gentiles.
19. "But when they
deliver you up,
take no thought
how or what ye shall speak:
for it shall be given you
in that same hour
what ye shall speak.
20. "For it is not ye that speak,
but The Spirit of your Father
Which speaketh in you."


. JOHN 3:34-36.

34. "For he whom God hath sent
speaketh The Words of God:
for God giveth not the Spirit
by measure unto him.
35. "The Father loveth The Son,
and hath given All Things
into his hand.
36. "He that believeth on
The Son
hath Everlasting Life:
and he that believeth not
The Son
shall not see Life;
but The Wrath of God
abideth on him."


IF YOU CANNOT COMMUNICATE THE GOSPEL YOU ARE NOT IN THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN.

When someone else is Preaching The Gospel- Real or Counterfeit- and you CANNOT SUPPORT OR OPPOSE what they said, VERBALLY- that means that you are definitely not a Christian.

Lord Yeshua did not get spit upon by his own people, beaten up by professional soldiers, whipped until he bled, and then whipped a LOT more, nailed on a cross through the hands and feet, and then stabbed in the chest, so that people could call themselves " CHRISTIANS," but not know how to speak up for him at any opportunity or time of need!

What sort of nonsense is that?

. MATTHEW 12:22-37.

22. Then was brought unto him
one possessed with a Devil,
blind, and dumb:
and he healed him,
insomuch that the blind
and dumb
both spake and saw.
23. And all the people
were amazed,
and said,

"Is not this the Son of David?"

24. But when the Pharisees heard it,
they said,

"This fellow doth not
cast out devils,
but by Beelzebub
the Prince of the Devils."

25. And Jesus knew
their thoughts,
and said unto them,

"Every kingdom
divided against itself
is brought to desolation;
and every city or house
divided against itself
shall not stand:
26. "And if Satan
cast out Satan,
he is divided against himself;
how shall then
his Kingdom stand?
27. "And if I by Beelzebub
cast out Devils,
by whom do your children
cast them out?
therefore they shall be
your judges.
28. "But if I cast out Devils
by the Spirit of God,
then The Kingdom of God
is come unto you.
29. "Or else how can
one enter into
a Strong Man's House,
and spoil his Goods,
except he first
bind the Strong Man?
And then he will
spoil his House.
30. "He that is not with me
is against me;
and he that gathereth not
with me
scattereth abroad.
31. "Wherefore I Say unto you,

'ALL MANNER OF SIN
AND BLASPHEMY
SHALL BE FORGIVEN
UNTO MEN:
BUT THE BLASPHEMY
AGAINST THE HOLY GHOST
SHALL NOT BE FORGIVEN UNTO MEN.'


32. "And whosoever speaketh a word
against The Son of Man,
it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh
against The Holy Ghost,
it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this World,
neither in the World to come.
33. "Either make the tree good,
and his fruit good;
or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt:
for the tree is known
by his fruit.
34. "O generation of Vipers,
how can ye,
being evil,
speak good things?
For out of
the abundance of the heart
the mouth speaketh.
35. "A Good man
out of the Good Treasure
of the heart
bringeth forth Good Things:
and an Evil man
out of the Evil Treasure
bringeth forth Evil Things.
36. "But I Say unto you,

'THAT EVERY IDLE WORD
THAT MEN SHALL SPEAK,
THEY SHALL GIVE ACCOUNT THEREOF
IN THE DAY OF JUDGMENT.' “


37. "For by thy words
thou shalt be justified,
and by thy words
thou shalt be condemned."

WHAT WILL YOU SAY IN YOUR DEFENSE ON JUDGMENT DAY, WHEN YOU ARE ASKED WHY YOU COULD NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE INCREASE OF PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

That you let people LOSE THEIR SOULS because YOU didn't render the WORDS OF GOD they NEEDED TO HEAR, at some crucial juncture that could have been their LAST CHANCE?

If not them, perhaps someone whom they passed the Knowledge on to?

. LUKE 12:8-9.

8. "Also I say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL CONFESS ME BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN ALSO CONFESS
BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD:'


9. "But he that denieth me before men
shall be denied before the Angels of God."

I WANT ALL "CHRISTIANS," WHO DO NOT SPEAK UP PUBLICLY WHEN NECESSARY, TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE RENOUNCED THEIR SALVATION- PRESUMING THAT THEY EVER HAD ANY!

I do not know of any mention of the devil being blamed for such things.

. REVELATION 20:10.

10. And the Devil
that deceived them
was cast into
The Lake of Fire
and Brimstone,
where the Beast
and the False Prophet are,
and shall be tormented
day and night
for ever and ever.

ALL OF THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS WERE EITHER CREATED OR CORRUPTED BY THE DEVIL.

Israel's neighbours worshipped the Babylonian god MARDUK: who was famous for INFANT WORSHIP.

The AZTECS of South America were famous for sacrificing their Priestesses, by hacking out their still-beating hearts with stone knives.

The author claims ignorance of this, but is probably lying.

THE BOOK OF JOB explicitly stated that Natural Disasters of Wind and Lightning, Terrorist and Robbery attacks are CONTROLLED BY SATAN.

What Satan did to JOB is what he had been doing ALL OVER THE EARTH. Therefore, God asked him: "Have you considered trying that (*Bleep!*) on my Servant JOB?"


. GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man
in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God
created He him;
male and female
created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

GOD CREATED MAN TO CONTROL SATAN, AND EVERYTHING ELSE UPON THE EARTH.

JOB was supposed to have SUBDUED SATAN, and STOPPED him from hurting anyone else.

But, instead of *seeing,* JOB CAVED IN, and resorted to SELF-PITY- burning out his Spirit Energy, enabling Satan to affect him directly with BOILS.

Just take the Crucifixion as an example - the foundation of the Christian religion. This is nothing less than a human sacrifice, and purportedly to allow sinners to go free of punishment for their sins.

THAT WAS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE CRUCIFIXION.

Lord Yeshua never said that his Crucifixion allowed Sinners to go free of punishment for their Sins.

Only what Lord Yeshua said about his Crucifixion counts for anything.

What father would have his own son, a 'good man' by all accounts, brutally tortured and murdered so that 'bad' people could be let of their crimes?

THE HYPOCRISY OF THE OYINBO CRITICS OF BLOOD SACRIFICE IN GENERAL, AND THIS FOOL IN PARTICULAR, IS EVIDENT, IN THAT EVERY GENERATION OF THEIRS' HAS DONE EXACTLY THAT.

They call it: THE ARMED FORCES.

The Oyinbos regard it as honourable to put their own children in harm's way to protect the wicked people of America.

When ISRAEL went to War against the INFANTICIDAL, ENSLAVING, DEVIL-WORSHIPPING ROBBERS who were their Neighbours, Good Men- such as they were- died for the sake of GOODNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESSES- sent into battle by their own fathers.

How then, could GOD ALMIGHTY withhold His own Son?

The author must be very immature, to never have served his country, nor raised sons to so serve.

So, we have these immature idiots, with no idea how to rule a World, nor a Nation- telling us that they know better than GOD- what He should, and what He should not Sacrifice.

If the answer is that god loves us all and wants us to be forgiven why did he not just do that? Why insist on a bloodthirsty Crucifixion first?

GOD DOES NOT LOVE US ALL!

Who told the Author THAT bull(*Bleep!*)it?

Actually, the wicked Oyinbo Hypocrites do preach, even to this day, that GOD LOVES SINNERS. Which is BLASPHEMY, and NOWHERE in The Bible. It was invented in the 19th Century by an Englishman named HENRY MOOREHOUSE, and introduced to America by DWIGHT L. MOODY of Chicago, when he saw that it enabled him to make literally one hundred times as many converts as when he preached THE TRUTH: that God HATES Sinners- not just their SINS.

I have broken the story here before, but was largely ignored- as usual!

oaroloye:


God LOVED the World- UNTIL HE SENT YAHSHUA- then, thereafter, He ONLY LOVED those who LOVE YAHSHUA HIS SON.

. JOHN 14:21-27.

21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself
to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered and said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father will send
in my Name,
He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things
to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have
Said unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."


GOD ONLY LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIM AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Why should the Author think that God should love people who BLASPHEME His Name, and serve the Enemy of His Kingdom?

Is that what emboldens him to curse GOD in this way?
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 8:15am On Jun 10
oaroloye post=79181931]MISHIGAS!

. 1th Peter 3:15-16.

15. But sanctify
The LORD God in your hearts:
and be ready always
to give an answer
to every man
that asketh you a reason
of The Hope that is in you
with meekness and fear:
16. Having a good conscience;
that, whereas
they speak evil of you,
as of evildoers,
they may be ashamed
that falsely accuse
your good conversation
in Christ.

I FIND IT DISGRACEFUL THAT NO OTHER CHRISTIAN HAS HAD ANYTHING TO SAY TO REPLY TO THIS GARBAGE!

I am angered that I have to take out the trash, all by myself!

What do you go to all those elaborate Church Ritual Ceremonies for, when you are as empty of useful Knowledge before as after?

. LUKE 12:8-9.

8. "Also I Say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL CONFESS ME BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN ALSO CONFESS
BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD:'


9. "But he that denieth me before men
shall be denied before the Angels of God."

I WANT ALL "CHRISTIANS," WHO DO NOT SPEAK UP PUBLICLY WHEN NECESSARY, TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE RENOUNCED THEIR SALVATION- PRESUMING THAT THEY EVER HAD ANY!
[/quote]

God is clearly a tyrant. He has committed many acts of evil, and somehow managed to amass an incredible following. That means God must be the ultimate deceiver. He has painted Satan as the deceiver to disguise his own faults and gain worshipers in a classic manner.

WHAT ACTS OF EVIL DO YOU ACCUSE GOD OF?

. GENESIS 6:5-9.

5. And GOD Saw
that the Wickedness of Man
was great in the Earth,
and that every imagination
of the thoughts of his heart
was only Evil continually.
6. And it repented The LORD
that He had made Man
on the Earth,
and it grieved Him
at His Heart.
7. And The LORD Said,

"I will destroy Man
whom I have created
from The Face of the Earth;
both Man, and Beast,
and the Creeping Thing,
and the Fowls of the Air;
for it repenteth Me
that I have made them.
8. But Noah found Grace
in the eyes of The LORD.
9. These are the Generations
of Noah:
Noah was a Just man
and Perfect in his Generations, and Noah walked with God.

WE ARE ALL DESCENDANTS OF NOAH: ALL OTHER FAMILIES WERE EXTERMINATED AS THREATS TO OUR ANCESTORS.

Yet the Idiot Author curses God as a "MURDERER." For saving HIS ANCESTORS.

Clearly, sense is not common in America.

If the tyrannical dictator can condemn the good guy and convince enough people, he can get away with much evil. This is a ploy commonly used by skillful politicians and anyone who seeks personal gain at the expense of others.

SATAN WAS THE ONE WHO LED THESE PEOPLE ASTRAY, CAUSING GOD TO NEED TO DESTROY THEM, TO GUARANTEE OUR SECURITY.

But the author calls God a "TYRANT," and an EVIL Being.

Whereas, HE HIMSELF us using THE EXACT SAME EVIL TACTIC he is accusing GOD of using!

No one else mentions this, but me.

[quote]Furthermore, Satan purportedly rebelled against this evil tyrant, even though he was greatly outnumbered and faced an omnipotent being. That, according to our common beliefs, (as we praise military heroes who sacrifice themselves for the good of their nation) is not only admirable, but makes Satan a martyr.[/quote

THERE IS AN OYINBO MYTHOLOGY THAT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE, THAT STATES THAT SATAN WAS "LUCIFER," (who was actually, a king of Babylon,) HIS CHIEF ANGEL, WHO REBELLED AGAINST GOD, AND WAS CAST OUT OF HEAVEN, WITH 1/3rd OF THE ANGELS HE SUPPOSEDLY SEDUCED.

The Author clearly believes this Myth.

He therefore believes that SATAN, who got Adam and Eve to disobey God, and get evicted from The Garden of Eden was "GOOD."

He therefore believes that SATAN, who seduced the supposed 250 million Great Flood victims into endangering our Ancestors was "GOOD."

He therefore believes that SATAN, who taught the inhabitants of SODOM AND GOMORRAH to STARVE, ROB, DEFRAUD, and RAPE Strangers, without even ONE MINYAN between them, until God had to destroy them, was "GOOD."

He therefore believes that SATAN, who misled the EGYPTIANS into enslaving and torturing the Race that saved their lives, was "GOOD."

I think it can be agreed that the Author is NOT a good person, but is rather consistent with a SATAN WORSHIPPER.

[quote]The only thing that Satan is accused of doing 'wrong' was encouraging the naive Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge.

ANOTHER STUPID LIE.

The Author himself just accused his beloved Satan of leading a Heavenly Rebellion against his own Creator, that got him and 1/3rd of the Angels evicted.

. JOHN 8:42-48.

42. Jesus Said unto them,

"If God were your Father,
ye would love me
for I proceeded forth
and came from God;
neither came I of myself,
but He sent me.
43. "Why do ye not
understand my Speech?
Even because ye cannot
hear my Word.
44. "Ye are of your
Father The Devil,
and the lusts
of your Father ye will do.
He was a Murderer
From The Beginning,
and abode not in The Truth,
because there is
no Truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the Father of It.
45. "And because
I Tell you The Truth,
ye believe me not.
46. "Which of you
convinceth me of Sin?
And if I say The Truth,
why do ye not believe me?
47. "He that is of God
heareth God's Words:
ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God."

48. Then answered the Jews,
and said unto him,

"Say we not well
that thou art a Samaritan,
and hast a Devil?"

LORD YESHUA ACCUSED HIM OF BEING A MURDERER FROM THE BEGINNING, AND THE FATHER OF LIES.

Therefore the Author must not know what he is talking about.
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 12:18pm On Jun 11
oaroloye:
oaroloye post=79181931]MISHIGAS!

. 1th Peter 3:15-16.

15. But sanctify
The LORD God in your hearts:
and be ready always
to give an answer
to every man
that asketh you a reason
of The Hope that is in you
with meekness and fear:
16. Having a good conscience;
that, whereas
they speak evil of you,
as of evildoers,
they may be ashamed
that falsely accuse
your good conversation
in Christ.

I FIND IT DISGRACEFUL THAT NO OTHER CHRISTIAN HAS HAD ANYTHING TO SAY TO REPLY TO THIS GARBAGE!

I am angered that I have to take out the trash, all by myself!

What do you go to all those elaborate Church Ritual Ceremonies for, when you are as empty of useful Knowledge before as after?

. LUKE 12:8-9.

8. "Also I Say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL CONFESS ME BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN ALSO CONFESS
BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD:'


9. "But he that denieth me before men
shall be denied before the Angels of God."

I WANT ALL "CHRISTIANS," WHO DO NOT SPEAK UP PUBLICLY WHEN NECESSARY, TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE RENOUNCED THEIR SALVATION- PRESUMING THAT THEY EVER HAD ANY!


God is clearly a tyrant. He has committed many acts of evil, and somehow managed to amass an incredible following. That means God must be the ultimate deceiver. He has painted Satan as the deceiver to disguise his own faults and gain worshipers in a classic manner.

WHAT ACTS OF EVIL DO YOU ACCUSE GOD OF?

. GENESIS 6:5-9.

5. And GOD Saw
that the Wickedness of Man
was great in the Earth,
and that every imagination
of the thoughts of his heart
was only Evil continually.
6. And it repented The LORD
that He had made Man
on the Earth,
and it grieved Him
at His Heart.
7. And The LORD Said,

"I will destroy Man
whom I have created
from The Face of the Earth;
both Man, and Beast,
and the Creeping Thing,
and the Fowls of the Air;
for it repenteth Me
that I have made them.
8. But Noah found Grace
in the eyes of The LORD.
9. These are the Generations
of Noah:
Noah was a Just man
and Perfect in his Generations, and Noah walked with God.

WE ARE ALL DESCENDANTS OF NOAH: ALL OTHER FAMILIES WERE EXTERMINATED AS THREATS TO OUR ANCESTORS.

Yet the Idiot Author curses God as a "MURDERER." For saving HIS ANCESTORS.

Clearly, sense is not common in America.

If the tyrannical dictator can condemn the good guy and convince enough people, he can get away with much evil. This is a ploy commonly used by skillful politicians and anyone who seeks personal gain at the expense of others.

SATAN WAS THE ONE WHO LED THESE PEOPLE ASTRAY, CAUSING GOD TO NEED TO DESTROY THEM, TO GUARANTEE OUR SECURITY.

But the author calls God a "TYRANT," and an EVIL Being.

Whereas, HE HIMSELF us using THE EXACT SAME EVIL TACTIC he is accusing GOD of using!

No one else mentions this, but me.

Furthermore, Satan purportedly rebelled against this evil tyrant, even though he was greatly outnumbered and faced an omnipotent being. That, according to our common beliefs, (as we praise military heroes who sacrifice themselves for the good of their nation) is not only admirable, but makes Satan a martyr.[/quote

THERE IS AN OYINBO MYTHOLOGY THAT IS NOT IN THE BIBLE, THAT STATES THAT SATAN WAS "LUCIFER," (who was actually, a king of Babylon,) HIS CHIEF ANGEL, WHO REBELLED AGAINST GOD, AND WAS CAST OUT OF HEAVEN, WITH 1/3rd OF THE ANGELS HE SUPPOSEDLY SEDUCED.

The Author clearly believes this Myth.

He therefore believes that SATAN, who got Adam and Eve to disobey God, and get evicted from The Garden of Eden was "GOOD."

He therefore believes that SATAN, who seduced the supposed 250 million Great Flood victims into endangering our Ancestors was "GOOD."

He therefore believes that SATAN, who taught the inhabitants of SODOM AND GOMORRAH to STARVE, ROB, DEFRAUD, and RAPE Strangers, without even ONE MINYAN between them, until God had to destroy them, was "GOOD."

He therefore believes that SATAN, who misled the EGYPTIANS into enslaving and torturing the Race that saved their lives, was "GOOD."

I think it can be agreed that the Author is NOT a good person, but is rather consistent with a SATAN WORSHIPPER.


Am not surprised that a so called Christan would be so fast to label another man a fool, simply because he does not agree with his ideas,as tolerance was one of true teachings of christ. I expected you to make your arguments with facts & not just quote the entire bible in a bid to sound knowledgeable. It's obvious that you're very good at cramming your religious text. But it's one thing to know how to quote the Bible and another thing to UNDERSTAND the Bible. While you said so many things,I would like to address the last thing you said about the devil being the first liar & father of lies. contrary to your believe, the evidence is right there in the book of Genesis, but like Christ rightly said, "some have eyes but cannot see". Since u're all about quoting of bible passages that you have no true understanding about, let me speak your language & quote some for you in response to your last comment about the devil being the father of lies.
Gen 3:2,3,4
AND THE WOMAN SAID TO THE SERPENT "WE MAY EAT THE FRUIT OF THE TREES IN THE GARDEN,GOD HAS SAID,'YOU SHALL NOT EAT IT,NOR SHALL YOU TOUCH IT, LEST YOU DIE'"
Keyword is "You shall surely die"
Now lests hear what the devil has to say in verse 4 & 5
GEN 3:4,5
THEN THE SERPENT SAID TO THE WOMAN,"YOU WOULD NOT SURELY DIE. FOR GOD KNOWS THAT IN THE DAY YOU EAT OF IT YOUR EYE'S WOULD BE OPENED AND YOU WOULD BE LIKE GOD.
Keyword is You would not surely die,your eyes would be opened (more knowledgeable & aware) & you would be like God.
GEN 3:6,7
SO WHEN THE WOMAN SAW THAT THE TREE WAS GOOD FOR FOOD, THAT IT WAS PLEASANT TO THE EYES,AND A TREE DESIRABLE TO MAKE ONE WISE,SHE TOOK OF ITS FRUIT AND ATE. 7. THEN THE EYE'S OF BOTH OF THEM WERE OPENED,AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE Unclad,AND THEY SEWED FIG LEAVES TOGETHER AND MADE THEMSELVES COVERINGS.
Note: chapter seven further comfirmed the truths spoken by the devil as indeed their eyes became opened (sentience) and they realised they had been walking in dehumanized conditions thus far. Why would a loving creator have the need to keep humans uninformed like ordinary animals after claiming to create them in his image and likeness.


Now after God found out adam & Eve disobeyed him & subsequently cursed them and the devil,as well as making a proclamation of casting them out of the garden (which seems to be too harsh for a so called father to mete out to his beloved children just because of a naive mistake). Now before you say it serves them right, especially after allowing the so called lying devil to lead them astray. Here are the exact words of your God validating the words of the devil in the following verse below.

GEN 3:22
THEN GOD SAID,"BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US,TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL. AND NOW,LEST HE PUT HIS HAND AND TAKE ALSO FROM THE TREE OF LIFE,AND EAT AND LIVE FOREVER".
Note:
first thing to note is that God confirmed the words of the so called devil in verse 4 & 5 to be in fact true.
secondly, your God said they would die, which they didn't. and before you come and start telling me that they lost their immotality, verse 22 confirmed they never had it in the first place,else why would he be scared shitless of them eating from the tree of life. Which confirms that they would have died anyway, wether they were obedient or not, hence his earlier threat of them dying was an empty one. imagine having a child and depriving them of education just because u're scared they would surpass you one day, only a petty mind would concieve of such evil.
(It's so sad that your so called Pope's,bishops & reverends who are supposed to be the highest authority in bible studies, either are oblivious of this passage,or rather not talk about it, because it's implications would rattle the entire Christan community)
In conclusion,with everything I've said so far,I want to ask you a personal question mr oaroloye,a question whose answer should already be obvious to a discerning mind by now. WHO DO YOU REALLY THINK IS THE FIRST LIAR AND FATHER OF LIES ACCORDING TO THE ACCOUNT OF YOUR HOLY BIBLE
Your response would tell me if u're one of those disillusioned fanatical religious robots or one who has indeed been illuminated and libreted by the true light of the indweler or what you call the holy spirit. Thanks in anticipation of your response.

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Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 12:26pm On Jun 11
Funaki:
thank you. we only know one side of the story. Lucifer should give us his own account. grin grin
True talk bro,a one sided story can never tell the whole truth. And we have based all our believes on a one sided story for too long.
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 12:38pm On Jun 11
lordskid:


Dont mind those religion zombies, bro! Religion with its grand DECEPTION is the real EVIL.

SCIENCE is the biblical Savior!

Welcome to the Age of Reason, bro!
lol.... I agree with you bro, religion without true knowledge is indeed a grand deception created to keep the masses docile & in check. Never questioning and following blindly with a promise of eternal life. No wonder some religious humans bomb other religious humans of different inclination with a false promise of 72 virgins waiting for them in the afterlife. Show me the kind of God that would reward mass genocide and I would show you a tyrant.

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Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by CosmicPhoenix: 7:17pm On Jun 11
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Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by Rossikk(m): 6:43am On Jun 12
oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



. 1th Peter 3:15-16.

15. But sanctify
The LORD God in your hearts:
and be ready always
to give an answer
to every man
that asketh you a reason
of The Hope that is in you
with meekness and fear:
16. Having a good conscience; that, whereas
they speak evil of you,
as of evildoers,
they may be ashamed
that falsely accuse
your good conversation
in Christ.

I FIND IT DISGRACEFUL THAT NO OTHER CHRISTIAN HAS HAD ANYTHING TO SAY TO REPLY TO THIS GARBAGE!

I am angered that I have to take out the trash, all by myself!

What do you go to all those elaborate Church Ritual Ceremonies for, when you are as empty of useful Knowledge before as after?



. LUKE 12:8-9.

8. "Also I say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL CONFESS ME BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN ALSO CONFESS
BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD:'


9. "But he that denieth me before men
shall be denied before the Angels of God."

I WANT ALL "CHRISTIANS," WHO DO NOT SPEAK UP PUBLICLY WHEN NECESSARY, TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE RENOUNCED THEIR SALVATION- PRESUMING THAT THEY EVER HAD ANY!



. REVELATION 20:10.

10. And the Devil
that deceived them
was cast into
The Lake of Fire
and Brimstone,
where the Beast
and the False Prophet are,
and shall be tormented
day and night
for ever and ever.

ALL OF THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS WERE EITHER CREATED OR CORRUPTED BY THE DEVIL.

Israel's neighbours worshipped the Babylonian god MARDUK: who was famous for INFANT WORSHIP.

The AZTECS of South America were famous for sacrificing their Priestesses, by hacking out their still-beating hearts with stone knives.

The author claims ignorance of this, but is probably lying.

THE BOOK OF JOB explicitly stated that Natural Disasters of Wind and Lightning, Terrorist and Robbery attacks are CONTROLLED BY SATAN.

What Satan did to JOB is what he had been doing ALL OVER THE EARTH. Therefore, God asked him: "Have you considered trying that (*Bleep!*) on my Servant JOB?"


. GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man
in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God
created He him;
male and female
created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

GOD CREATED MAN TO CONTROL SATAN, AND EVERYTHING ELSE UPON THE EARTH.

JOB was supposed to have SUBDUED SATAN, and STOPPED him from hurting anyone else.

But, instead of *seeing,* JOB CAVED IN, and resorted to SELF-PITY- burning out his Spirit Energy, enabling Satan to affect him directly with BOILS.



THAT WAS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE CRUCIFIXION.

Lord Yeshua never said that his Crucifixion allowed Sinners to go free of punishment for their Sins.

Only what Lord Yeshua said about his Crucifixion counts for anything.



THE HYPOCRISY OF THE OYINBO CRITICS OF BLOOD SACRIFICE IN GENERAL, AND THIS FOOL IN PARTICULAR, IS EVIDENT, IN THAT EVERY GENERATION OF THEIRS' HAS DONE EXACTLY THAT.

They call it: THE ARMED FORCES.

The Oyinbos regard it as honourable to put their own children in harm's way to protect the wicked people of America.

When ISRAEL went to War against the INFANTICIDAL, ENSLAVING, DEVIL-WORSHIPPING ROBBERS who were their Neighbours, Good Men- such as they were- died for the sake of GOODNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESSES- sent into battle by their own fathers.

How then, could GOD ALMIGHTY withhold His own Son?

The author must be very immature, to never have served his country, nor raised sons to so serve.

So, we have these immature idiots, with no idea how to rule a World, nor a Nation- telling us that they know better than GOD- what He should, and what He should not Sacrifice.



GOD DOES NOT LOVE US ALL!

Who told the Author THAT bull(*Bleep!*)it?

Actually, the wicked Oyinbo Hypocrites do preach, even to this day, that GOD LOVES SINNERS. Which is BLASPHEMY, and NOWHERE in The Bible. It was invented in the 19th Century by an Englishman named HENRY MOOREHOUSE, and introduced to America by DWIGHT L. MOODY of Chicago, when he saw that it enabled him to make literally one hundred times as many converts as when he preached THE TRUTH: that God HATES Sinners- not just their SINS.

I have broken the story here before, but was largely ignored- as usual!



GOD ONLY LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIM AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Why should the Author think that God should love people who BLASPHEME His Name, and serve the Enemy of His Kingdom?

Is that what emboldens him to curse GOD in this way?
Why doesn't this God just kill/get rid of this "Enemy of his Kingdom"? I don't understand why he allows this Enemy to live for even a second, if He is going around punishing or killing humans for falling prey to his temptations. Seriously though, How does He expect limited humans to be able to resist the manipulations of a powerful supernatural entity?
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by quivah(f): 9:11am On Jun 12
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Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 12:30pm On Jun 12
SHALOM!

Rossikk:
Why doesn't this God just kill/get rid of this "Enemy of his Kingdom"?

. MATTHEW 13:24-30.

24. Another Parable
put he forth unto them,
Saying,

"The Kingdom of Heaven
is likened unto a man
which sowed good seed
in his field:
25. "But while men slept,
his enemy came and sowed tares
among the wheat,
and went his way.
26. "But when the blade
was sprung up,
and brought forth fruit,
then appeared the tares also.
27. "So the servants
of the householder
came and said unto him,

'SIR, DIDST NOT THOU
SOW GOOD SEED IN THY FIELD?
FROM WHENCD HATH IT TARES?'


28. "He said unto them,

'AN ENEMY HATH DONE THIS.'

The servants said unto him,

'WILT THOU THEN
THAT WE GO AND
GATHER THEM UP?'


29. "But he said,

'NAY; LEST WHILE YE
GATHET UP THE TARES,
YE ROOT UP ALSO
THE WHEAT WITH THEM.
30. 'LET BOTH GROW TOGETHER
UNTIL THE HARVEST:
AND IN THE TIME OF THE HARVEST,
I WILL SAY TO THE REAPERS,


"GATHER YE TOGETHER
FIRST THE TARES,
AND GATHER THEM IN BUNDLES
TO BURN THEM:
BUT GATHER THE WHEAT
INTO MY BARN." ' "


Rossikk:
I don't understand why he allows this Enemy to live for even a second, if He is going around punishing or killing humans for falling prey to his temptations.

IS THAT. HOW YOU WANT GOD TO JUDGE YOU

Sinners stupid enough to ask this question think that God should have one standard to Judge THE DEVIL, and another standard to Judge THEM!

. DEUTERONOMY 25:11-19.

11. When men strive together
one with another,
and the wife of the one
draweth near
for to deliver her husband
out of the hand of him
that smiteth him,
and putteth forth her hand,
and taketh him by the secrets:
12. Then thou shalt
cut off her hand,
thine eye shall not pity her.

13. Thou shalt not
have in thy bag
divers weights,
a great and a small.
14. Thou shalt not
have in thine house
divers measures,
a great and a small.
15. But thou shalt have
a perfect and just weight,
a perfect and just measure
shalt thou have:
that thy days may be lengthened
in the Land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee.
16. For all that do such things,
and all that do unrighteously,
are an abomination
unto the LORD thy God.

17. Remember what Amalek
did unto thee by the way,
when ye were come forth
out of Egypt;
18. How he met thee
by the way,
and smote
the hindmost of thee,
even all that were feeble
behind thee,
when thou wast
faint and weary;
and he feared not God.
19. Therefore it shall be,
when the LORD thy God
hath given thee rest
from all thine enemies
round about,
in the Land which
The LORD thy God giveth thee
for an inheritance
to possess it,
that thou shalt blot out
the Remembrance of Amalek
from under Heaven;
thou shalt not forget it.

. MATTHEW 7:1-6.

“JUDGE not,
that ye be not judged.
2. "For with what
judgment ye judge,
ye shall be judged;
and with what
measure ye mete,
it shall be
measured to you again.
3. "And why beholdest thou
the mote
that is in thy brother's eye,
but considerest not the beam
that is in thine own eye?
4. "Or how wilt thou
say to thy brother,

'LET ME PULL OUT
THE MOTE
OUT OF THINE EYE;'


and, behold,
a beam is in thine own eye?
5. "Thou Hypocrite,
first cast out the beam
out of thine own eye;
and then shalt thou see clearly
to cast out the mote
out of thy brother's eye.
6. "Give not that which is holy
unto the dogs,
neither cast ye your pearls
before swine,
lest they trample them
under their feet,
and turn again
and rend you."

Rossikk:
Seriously though, How does He expect limited humans to be able to resist the manipulations of a powerful supernatural entity?

WHO GAVE YOU PERMISSION TO BE "LIMITED"

Why do you think Satan suggested all those Sins to you? Do you think that Human weakness has nothing at all to do with SIN? The two go hand-in-hand.

. GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command thee
this day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them
diligently unto thy children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou sittest
in thine house,
and when thou
walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind Them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write Them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

. LUKE 10:16-24.

16. "He that heareth you heareth me;
and he that despiseth you despiseth me;
and he that despiseth me
despiseth Him that sent me."

17. And the seventy returned
again with joy,
saying,

"Lord, even the Devils
are subject unto us
through thy Name."

18. And he Said unto them,

"I beheld Satan as lightning
fall from Heaven.
19. "Behold, I give unto you Power
to tread on Serpents and Scorpions,
and over all the Power of the Enemy:

and nothing shall
by any means hurt you."
20. "Notwithstanding in this
rejoice not,
that the spirits are subject
unto you;
but rather rejoice,
because your Names
are written in Heaven."

21. In that Hour
Jesus rejoiced in spirit,
and Said,

"I thank Thee,
O Father,
Lord of Heaven and Earth,
that thou hast hid these things
from the wise and prudent,
and hast revealed them unto babes:
even so, Father;
for so it seemed Good in Thy Sight.
22. "All things are delivered to me
of my Father:
and no man knoweth
who The Son is,
but The Father;
and Who The Father is,
but The Son,
and he to whom The Son
will reveal him."

23. And he turned him
unto his Disciples,
and Said privately,

"Blessed are the eyes
which see the things that ye see:
24. "For I Tell you,

'THAT MANY PROPHETS
AND KINGS
HAVE DESIRED TO SEE
THOSE THINGS WHICH YE SEE,
AND HAVE NOT SEEN THEM;
AND TO HEAR THOSE THINGS
WHICH YE HEAR,
AND HAVE NOT HEARD THEM.' "


God has always given His Servant the Power to overcome THE DEVIL.

. JOHN 8:28-36.

28. Then Said Jesus unto them,

"When ye have lifted up
The Son of Man,
then shall ye know that I am he,
and that I do nothing of myself;
but as my Father hath Taught me,
I Speak these things.
29. "And He that sent me is with me:
The Father hath not left me alone;
for I do always those things
that please Him."

30. As he Spake these words,
many believed on him.
31. Then Said Jesus to those Jews
which believed on him,

"If ye continue in my Word,
then are ye my Disciples indeed;
32. "And ye shall know The Truth,
and The Truth shall make you free."

33. They answered him,

"We be Abraham's Seed,
and were never in bondage
to any man:
how sayest thou,

'YE SHALL BE MADE FREE?' "

34. Jesus answered them,

"Verily, verily, I Say unto you,

WHOSOEVER COMMITTETH SIN
IS THE SERVANT OF SIN.
35. 'AND THE SERVANT ABIDETH
NOT IN THE HOUSE FOR EVER:
BUT THE SON ABIDETH EVER.'


36. "If the Son therefore
shall make you free,
ye shall be free indeed."

[b]WHAT DID YOU THINK ALL OF THOSE COMMANDMENTS AND TEACHINGS WERE FOR

When obeyed to the full, they make the Servant of God INVINCIBLE.

Only the Servants of Satan need to fear their Chosen Master.
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 5:40pm On Jun 12
MISHIGAS!

tonyxxx:

Am not surprised that a so called Christan would be so fast to label another man a fool, simply because he does not agree with his ideas,as tolerance was one of true teachings of christ.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:1-7.

THE Proverbs of Solomon
the son of David, king of Israel;
2. To know Wisdom and Instruction;
to perceive the Words of Understanding;
3. To receive the Instruction
of Wisdom, Justice, and Judgment,
and Equity;
4. To give subtilty to the Simple,
to the Young Man
Knowledge and Discretion.
5. A Wise man will hear,
and will increase Learning;
and a Man of Understanding
shall attain unto Wise Counsels:
6. To understand a Proverb,
and the Interpretation;
the Words of the Wise,
and their Dark Sayings.
7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is the Beginning of Wisdom:
and the Knowledge of the holy
is Understanding.

. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law and The Prophets.
13. "Enter ye in at The Strait Gate:
for wide is the Gate,
and broad is the way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be which go in thereat:
14. "Because strait is the Gate,
and narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life,
and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every Good Tree
bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a Corrupt Tree
bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot
bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree
bring forth Good Fruit.
19. "Every tree that
bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down,
and cast into the Fire.
20 Wherefore by their Fruits
ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one
that saith unto me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but He that doeth
The Will of my Father
Which is in Heaven.
22 Many will say to me
in That Day,

'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY
WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I
profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth Them,
I will liken him unto a Wise Man,
which built his house upon a rock:
25. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock.
26 . "And every one that heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a Foolish Man,
which built his house upon the sand:
27. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had ended these Sayings,
the people were astonished
at his Doctrine:
29. For He taught them
as one having authority,
and not as the scribes.

WHAT I TEACH IS FOUNDED UPON THE WORD OF GOD; THAT IS WISDOM: ANYTHING THAT DISAGREES WITH WHATEVER I SAY FROM THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS FOOLISHNESS.

You are a fool, TONYXXX, and you will answer for every idle word you have spoken, as will all of us.

Is there another reason people should be called fools, when they are not fools?

Only fools should be called fools.

tonyxxx:
I expected you to make your arguments with facts & not just quote the entire bible in a bid to sound knowledgeable. It's obvious that you're very good at cramming your religious text.

IF YOU WERE WISE, YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL OF THE SCRIPTURAL TEXTS THAT PROVE YOU WRONG.

If you already knew them, you should just have scrolled past them, to see what my personal comments were, that Knowledge of the Scriptures would have enabled you to understand.

Fools despise Wisdom and Instruction, King Solomon said.

You lied when you said you wanted facts, because The Bible is facts. How can a wise man complain against The Bible, and then complain, when The Bible is used to show what is missing from his alleged Mind?

. JOHN 14:21-27.

21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself
to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father will send
in my Name,
He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things
to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have
Said unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

THE HOLY GHOST SHOWS THE SERVANTS WHAT TO SAY, AND REMINDS US OF THE WORDS OF GOD PERTAINING TO ANY GIVEN SITUATION.

I understand that you are only Human, but do try to keep up?

I HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR YOUR LIE THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE YOU CALL "CHRIST," WHO TAUGHT SOMETHING YOU CALL "TOLERANCE."

There is such Teaching in The Gospel- presuming that you are talking about him.

He had no TOLERANCE for SIN, nor SINNERS.

. MATTHEW 23:16-33.

16. "Woe unto you,
ye blind guides,
which say,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL SWEAR
BY THE TEMPLE,
IT IS NOTHING;
BUT WHOSOEVER
SHALL SWEAR BY
THE GOLD OF THE TEMPLE,
HE IS A DEBTOR!'


17. "Ye fools and blind:
for whether is greater,
the gold,
or the Temple
that sanctifieth the gold?
18. "And,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL SWEAR
BY THE ALTAR,
IT IS NOTHING;
BUT WHOSOEVER
SWEARETH BY
THE GIFT THAT IS UPON IT,
HE IS GUILTY.'


19. "Ye fools and blind:
for whether is greater,
the gift, or the Altar
that sanctifieth the gift?
20. "Whoso therefore
shall swear by the Altar,
sweareth by it,
and by all things thereon.
21. "And whoso
shall swear by the Temple,
sweareth by It,
and by Him that dwelleth therein.
22. "And he that
shall swear by Heaven,
sweareth by the Throne of God,
and by Him that sitteth thereon.
23. Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye pay tithe
of mint and anise and cummin,
and have omitted
the weightier matters of the Law,
Judgment, Mercy, and Faith:
these ought ye to have done,
and not to leave the other undone.
24. "Ye blind guides,
which strain at a gnat,
and swallow a camel.
25. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye make clean the outside
of the cup and of the platter,
but within they are
full of extortion and excess.
26. "Thou blind Pharisee,
cleanse first that
which is within the cup and platter,
that the outside of them
may be clean also.
27. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye are like unto
whited sepulchres,
which indeed
appear beautiful outward,
but are within
full of Dead Men's Bones,
and of all uncleanness.
28. "Even so ye also
outwardly appear Righteous
unto men,
but within ye are
full of Hypocrisy and Iniquity.
29. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
Because ye build
the tombs of the Prophets,
and garnish
the sepulchres of the Righteous,
30. "And say,

'IF WE HAD BEEN
IN THE DAYS OF OUR FATHERS,
WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
PARTAKERS WITH THEM
IN THE BLOOD
OF THE PROPHETS.'


31. "Wherefore ye be
Witnesses unto yourselves,
that ye are the Children of them
which killed the Prophets.
32. "Fill ye up then
the Measure of your Fathers.
33. "Ye Serpents,
ye Generation of Vipers,
how can ye escape
The Damnation of Hell?"

. LUKE 11:39-40.

39. And the Lord Said unto him,

"Now do ye Pharisees
make clean the outside
of the cup and the platter;
but your inward part is
full of ravening and wickedness.
40. "Ye fools,
did not he that made that
which is without
make that which is within also?"

WHERE IS THE "TOLERANCE" IN THESE BLASTINGS OF PEOPLE MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT, AND BLESSED, THAN YOU?

Before beginning to talk, you should have known all those verses. But, you are a fool, who does not mind cursing our Creator. Why should you care what The Truth is?

tonyxxx:
But it's one thing to know how to quote the Bible and another thing to UNDERSTAND the Bible. While you said so many things,I would like to address the last thing you said about the devil being the first liar & father of lies.

YOU REFER TO:

. JOHN 8:42-48.

42. Jesus Said unto them,

"If God were your Father,
ye would love me
for I proceeded forth
and came from God;
neither came I of myself,
but He sent me.
43. "Why do ye not
understand my Speech?
Even because ye cannot
hear my Word.
44. "Ye are of your
Father The Devil,
and the lusts
of your Father ye will do.
He was a Murderer
From The Beginning,
and abode not in The Truth,
because there is
no Truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the Father of It.
45. "And because
I Tell you The Truth,
ye believe me not.
46. "Which of you
convinceth me of Sin?
And if I say The Truth,
why do ye not believe me?
47. "He that is of God
heareth God's Words:
ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God."

Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 6:49pm On Jun 12
tonyxxx:
contrary to your believe, the evidence is right there in the book of Genesis, but like Christ rightly said, "some have eyes but cannot see". Since u're all about quoting of bible passages that you have no true understanding about, let me speak your language & quote some for you in response to your last comment about the devil being the father of lies.

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, I HAVE TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE, WHICH A LYING BLASPHEMER, LADEN WITH SINS AS YOU ARE, CANNOT HAVE.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

HOW CAN YOU BOAST THAT YOU HAVE WISDOM, OR UNDERSTANDING, WHEN YOU HAVE NO FEAR OF GOD, NOR RESPECT FOR HIS WORD?

tonyxxx:
Gen 3:2,3,4[
AND THE WOMAN SAID TO THE SERPENT "WE MAY EAT THE FRUIT OF THE TREES IN THE GARDEN,GOD HAS SAID,'YOU SHALL NOT EAT IT,NOR SHALL YOU TOUCH IT, LEST YOU DIE'"
Keyword is "You shall surely die"
Now lests hear what the devil has to say in verse 4 & 5
GEN 3:4,5
THEN THE SERPENT SAID TO THE WOMAN,"YOU WOULD NOT SURELY DIE. FOR GOD KNOWS THAT IN THE DAY YOU EAT OF IT YOUR EYE'S WOULD BE OPENED AND YOU WOULD BE LIKE GOD.
Keyword is You would not surely die,your eyes would be opened (more knowledgeable & aware) & you would be like God.

GEN 3:6,7
SO WHEN THE WOMAN SAW THAT THE TREE WAS GOOD FOR FOOD, THAT IT WAS PLEASANT TO THE EYES,AND A TREE DESIRABLE TO MAKE ONE WISE,SHE TOOK OF ITS FRUIT AND ATE. 7. THEN THE EYE'S OF BOTH OF THEM WERE OPENED,AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE Unclad,AND THEY SEWED FIG LEAVES TOGETHER AND MADE THEMSELVES COVERINGS.
Note: chapter seven further comfirmed the truths spoken by the devil as indeed their eyes became opened (sentience) and they realised they had been walking in dehumanized conditions thus far. Why would a loving creator have the need to keep humans uninformed like ordinary animals after claiming to create them in his image and likeness.

. GENESIS 2:16-17.

16. And The LORD God
Commanded the Man,
Saying,

“Of every Tree of The Garden
thou mayest freely eat:
17. "But of The Tree of
The Knowledge
of
Good and Evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the Day
that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die."

THE BOOK OF GENESIS WAS WRITTEN BY MOSES, SEQUEL TO HIS EXPERIENCES WITH GOD, SPENDING EIGHTY DAYS WITH HIM, WITHOUT EATING NOR DRINKING.

This is Sacred Knowledge, not Human opinion. If God said that Adam would die THAT DAY, that they broke The Commandment, and 3,000 years of Bible Teachers have seen nothing wrong with that.

. GENESIS 5:1-5.

THIS is the Book
of the Generations of Adam.
In the day that God created Man,
in the likeness of God
made He him;
2. Male and female created
he them;
and blessed them,
and called their name Adam,
in the day when they were created.
3. And Adam lived
an hundred and thirty years,
and begat a son
in his own likeness,
after his image;
and called his name Seth:
4. And the days of Adam
after he had begotten Seth
were eight hundred years:
and he begat sons and daughters:
5. And all the days that Adam lived
were nine hundred and thirty years:
and he died.

NOW THE FOOL- LIKE YOU- WOULD SAY THAT "GOD LIED! ADAM LIVED 930 YEARS AFTER HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE DIED!

The Wiser would humbly recognize that there was something beyond his level of Understanding going on here, and MEDITATE to FIND OUT the answer, instead of presuming that they know better than The God of The Bible.

. JOB 39:13-18.

13. "Gavest thou the goodly wings
unto the peacocks?
or wings and feathers
unto the ostrich?
14. "Which leaveth
her eggs in the earth,
and warmeth them in dust,
15. "And forgetteth
that the foot may crush them,
or that the wild beast
may break them.
16. "She is hardened
against her young ones,
as though they were not her's:
her labour is in vain without fear;
17. "Because God hath
deprived her of Wisdom,
neither hath He
imparted to her Understanding.
18." What time she
lifteth up herself on high,
she scorneth
the horse and his rider."

THERE ARE EIGHT LEVELS OF SPIRITUAL ENERGY.

Seven pertain to HEAVEN and to GOD.

The EIGHTH pertains to THE EARTH,and to PLANTS, INSECTS, AND ANIMALS of the Earth.

The seven Spiritual Energy Levels of Heaven are what GOD calls "LIFE."

That is what ADAM gave up the day that they broke God's COMMANDMENTS.

. GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

THEIR FIRST SIN WAS IN ALLOWING A SUBORDINATE TO BOSS THEM.

Nearly nobody Christian ever believed in THAT Commandment, so 2,000 years of Bible Teachers have never picked up on It, and all the focus is on "THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT."

. PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser
than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more Understanding
than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies
are my meditation.
100. I understand
more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed
from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words
unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey
to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts
I get Understanding:
therefore I hate every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp
unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

WHEN THEY DISAGREED WITH GOD'S FUNDAMENTAL COMMANDMENT, THEY GAVE UP WHAT GOD CALLS LIFE.

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this day against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore CHOOSE LIFE,

That both thou
and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest
love The LORD thy God,

And that thou mayest
obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest
cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy days:

That thou mayest dwell
in the land
which The LORD sware
unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

. AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

SPIRITUAL ENERGY AT HEAVENLY LEVELS IS WHAT GOD SAYS IS "LIFE."

. GENESIS 1:24.

24. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth
the living creature after his kind,
cattle, and creeping thing,
and beast of the Earth after his kind:
and it was so."

WHAT THE ANIMALS HAVE IS NOT LIFE.

It is devoid of WISDOM and UNDERSTANDING.

. GENESIS 3:1-15.

NOW the Serpent was more subtil
than any Beast of the Field
which the LORD God had made.
And he said unto the woman,

"Yea, hath God Said,

'YE SHALL NOT EAT
OF EVERY TREE OF THE GARDEN?' "


2. And the woman said
unto the Serpent,

"We may eat of the fruit
of the Trees of the Garden:
3. "But of the fruit of the Tree
which is in the midst of the Garden,
God hath Said,

'YE SHALL NOT EAT OF IT,
NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT,
LEST YE DIE.' "


4. And the Serpent said unto the woman,

"Ye shall not surely die:
5. "For God doth know
that in the Day ye eat thereof,
then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods,
knowing Good and Evil."

6. And when the woman saw
that the Tree was good for food,
and that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a Tree to be desired to make one Wise,
she took of the fruit thereof,
and did eat,
and gave also
unto her husband with her;
and he did eat.
7. And the eyes of them both
were opened,
and they knew that they were Unclad;
and they sewed fig leaves together,
and made themselves aprons.
8. And they heard
The Voice of The LORD God
walking in the Garden
in the cool of the day:
and Adam and his wife hid themselves
from The Presence of The LORD God
amongst the trees of the Garden.
9. And The LORD God called unto Adam,
and Said unto him,

" Where art thou?"

10. And he said,

"I heard Thy Voice in the Garden,
and I was afraid,
because I was Unclad;
and I hid myself."

11. And He Said,

"Who told thee that thou wast Unclad?
Hast thou eaten of the Tree,
whereof I Commanded thee
that thou shouldest not eat?"

12. And the Man said,

"The Woman whom thou gavest
to be with me,
she gave me of the tree,
and I did eat.”

13. And The LORD God Said
unto the Woman,

"What is this that thou hast done?"

And the Woman said,

"The Serpent beguiled me,
and I did eat."

14 And The LORD God Said
unto the Serpent,

"Because thou hast done this,
thou art Cursed above all Cattle,
and above every Beast of the Field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go,
and dust shalt thou eat
all the days of thy life:
15. "And I will put Enmity
between thee and the Woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel."

THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF INFANTS ALTERNATES BETWEEN THE EIGHT LEVELS OF LIFE FORCE, UNTIL SOMEONE TEACHES THEM TO FIX IT IN THE EIGHTH, AND LOWEST LEVEL.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.[/b]

THE NAGUALS- Native American Shapeshifter Seers- have tried raising children without letting this happen to them; all that we can know about them is that they succeeded at that.

Sorcerers of our country do not *see,* so they do not know what they are doing, and so, have never achieved these results.

Only those NAGUALS know.

Bible Religionists since Lord Yeshua have forgotten this Knowledge. Lord Yeshua's Disciples peed his Knowledge away, having lost interest, once they saw that their JUNIORS would become their Everlasting Seniors.

tonyxxx:
Now after God found out adam & Eve disobeyed him & subsequently cursed them and the devil,as well as making a proclamation of casting them out of the garden (which seems to be too harsh for a so called father to mete out to his beloved children just because of a naive mistake). Now before you say it serves them right, especially after allowing the so called lying devil to lead them astray.

YOUR STUPIDITY IS DISGUSTING.

. GENESIS 1:26-31.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

29. And God Said,

"Behold, I have given you
every herb bearing seed,
which is upon
the Face of all the Earth,
and every tree,
in the which is the fruit
of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat.
30. And to every Beast of the Earth,
and to every fowl of the air,
and to every thing
that creepeth upon the Earth,
wherein there is life,
I have given
every green herb for meat:"

and it was so.
31. And God saw every thing
that He had made,
and, behold, it was Very Good.
And the evening and the morning
were the sixth day.

ADAM WERE GIVEN CONTROL OVER THE GARDEN OF EDEN, AND ALL OF ITS CONTENTS.

They could eat ANYTHING, and TOUCH anything they wanted, BECAUSE THEY HAD LIFE.

After they gave their Divine Rights away, The Garden of Eden was then a DEATHTRAP to them.

They HAD to LEAVE- do you know how many PLANTS, INSECTS, and ANIMALS there are that can KILL you, just by TOUCHING them

But, as you HATE God, you can only think of Him MALICIOUSLY, and imagine HIM to be motivated by HATE- as YOU YOURSELF are.

[quote author=tonyxxx post=79223751]Here are the exact words of your God validating the words of the devil in the following verse below.

GEN 3:22
THEN GOD SAID,"BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US,TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL. AND NOW,LEST HE PUT HIS HAND AND TAKE ALSO FROM THE TREE OF LIFE,AND EAT AND LIVE FOREVER".
Note:
first thing to note is that God confirmed the words of the so called devil in verse 4 & 5 to be in fact true.
secondly, your God said they would diGospwlch they didn't. and before you come and start telling me that they lost their immotality, verse 22 confirmed they never had it in the first place,else why would he be scared shitless of them eating from the tree of life. Which confirms that they would have died anyway, wether they were obedient or not, hence his earlier threat of them dying was an empty one. imagine having a child and depriving them of education just because u're scared they would surpass you one day, only a petty mind would concieve of such evil.

EXACTLY: YOUR MIND IS JUST SO PETTY.

Therefore, you could only come up with Bible Interpretations that cast GOD: THE MAGNANIMOUS CREATOR as "PETTY," and "EVIL."

Yet, you do not want to be called a "FOOL!"

Talking about GOD, as if you and He were MATES! It is preposterous!

. GENESIS 3:22-24.

22. And The LORD God Said,

"Behold, the Man
is become as one of Us,
to know Good and Evil:
and now,
lest he put forth his hand,
and take also
of The Tree of Life,
and eat,
and live for ever:"

23. Therefore The LORD God
sent him forth
from The Garden of Eden,
to till the ground
from whence he was taken.
24. So He drove out the Man;
and he placed at the East
of The Garden of Eden
Cherubims,
and a Flaming Sword
which turned every way,
to keep The Way
of The Tree of Life.

A PERSON WHO HAS LIFE DOES NOT NEED A FRUIT TO GIVE HIM THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, NOR EVERLASTING LIFE.

Such plants exist today.

[See: THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge, by Carlos Castaneda.]

The ones that are known are useless without the Spiritual Disciplines needed to allow Mind and Body to process them properly- otherwise, they are mere "HALLUCINOGENICS" and "POISONS."

tonyxxx:
(It's so sad that your so called Pope's,bishops & reverends who are supposed to be the highest authority in bible studies, either are oblivious of this passage,or rather not talk about it, because it's implications would rattle the entire Christan community)
In conclusion,with everything I've said so far,I want to ask you a personal question mr oaroloye,a question whose answer should already be obvious to a discerning mind by now. WHO DO YOU REALLY THINK IS THE FIRST LIAR AND FATHER OF LIES ACCORDING TO THE ACCOUNT OF YOUR HOLY BIBLE

THE FIRST LIAR WAS THE SERPENT.

tonyxxx:
Your response would tell me if u're one of those disillusioned fanatical religious robots or one who has indeed been illuminated and libreted by the true light of the indweler or what you call the holy spirit. Thanks in anticipation of your response.

NAGUALISM IS BASED ON DISCRIMINATORY EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION- NOT ON DOGMA.

As an Enlightened Full-Gospel Christian, I understood their Visions beyond what Carlos Castaneda knew, because he experienced and *saw* what The Bible merely touches upon, and hints at- despite his not being a real Christian. (He was raised as a Roman Catholic, but was never devout- therefore, he recognized nothing that he experienced, or was taught, as being in The Bible.)

In one of his experiences, they successfully opened a GateWay into another World.

However, whereas he was able to walk up to the entrance, he was unable to set one foot inside. He could not move through the GateWay at all.

He did not have the appropriate Life Energies to operate in THAT World- whereas he had been to another World before.

He was supposed to have the Energy to enter ANY World: that was what he had been CHOSEN for- but, being an Oyinbo Idiot, he did not take the Warnings and Conditions seriously, and had SEX and even birthed at least one son.

This drained a critical amount of Spiritual Energy from him, and largely contributed to his untimely death, before he could attain EVERLASTING LIFE.

This is what happens when people think that they know everything- or only pay lip-service to the fact that they don't.

YOU DO NOT HAVE LIFE: YOU ONLY THINK THAT YOU DO.

. JOHN 5:24.

24. "Verily, verily, I Say unto you,

'HE THAT
HEARETH MY WORD,
AND BELIEVETH ON HIM
THAT SENT ME,
HATH EVERLASTING LIFE,
AND SHALL NOT
COME INTO CONDEMNATION;
BUT IS PASSED FROM DEATH
UNTO LIFE.' "


Carlos Castaneda is an example of what THE SERPENT DID TO ADAM: he HAD It all- and The Serpent took it away through techniques Carlos Castaneda was shown, but was too dimwitted to understand what he was looking at.

While you fools are playing prima donna, we may be on the verge of losing the last of our autonomy as a Sentient Species- such as it was- while you are all wasting the time you could have been using to save yourselves, and protect those precious to you.
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 5:55am On Jun 13
MISHIGAS!

tonyxxx:

Am not surprised that a so called Christan would be so fast to label another man a fool, simply because he does not agree with his ideas,as tolerance was one of true teachings of christ.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:1-7.

THE Proverbs of Solomon
the son of David, king of Israel;
2. To know Wisdom and Instruction;
to perceive the Words of Understanding;
3. To receive the Instruction
of Wisdom, Justice, and Judgment,
and Equity;
4. To give subtilty to the Simple,
to the Young Man
Knowledge and Discretion.
5. A Wise man will hear,
and will increase Learning;
and a Man of Understanding
shall attain unto Wise Counsels:
6. To understand a Proverb,
and the Interpretation;
the Words of the Wise,
and their Dark Sayings.
7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

[color=silver].
PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is the Beginning of Wisdom:
and the Knowledge of the holy
is Understanding.

]. MATTHEW 7:12-29.

12. "Therefore all things
whatsoever ye would
that men should do to you,
do ye even so to them:
for this is The Law and The Prophets.
13. "Enter ye in at The Strait Gate:
for wide is the Gate,
and broad is the way,
that leadeth to Destruction,
and many there be which go in thereat:
14. "Because strait is the Gate,
and narrow is The Way,
which leadeth unto Life,
and few there be that find it.
15. "Beware of False Prophets,
which come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16. "Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Do men gather grapes of thorns,
or figs of thistles?
17. "Even so every Good Tree
bringeth forth Good Fruit;
but a Corrupt Tree
bringeth forth Evil Fruit.
18. "A Good Tree cannot
bring forth Evil Fruit,
neither can a Corrupt Tree
bring forth Good Fruit.
19. "Every tree that
bringeth not forth Good Fruit
is hewn down,
and cast into the Fire.
20 Wherefore by their Fruits
ye shall know them.
21. "Not every one
that saith unto me,
'Lord, Lord,' shall enter into
The Kingdom of Heaven;
but He that doeth
The Will of my Father
Which is in Heaven.
22 Many will say to me
in That Day,

'LORD, LORD, HAVE WE NOT
PROPHESIED IN THY NAME?
AND IN THY NAME
HAVE CAST OUT DEVILS?
AND IN THY NAME
DONE MANY
WONDERFUL WORKS?'


23. "And then will I
profess unto them,

'I NEVER KNEW YOU:
DEPART FROM ME,
YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.'


24. "Therefore whosoever heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth Them,
I will liken him unto a Wise Man,
which built his house upon a rock:
25. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell not:
for it was founded upon a rock.
26 . "And every one that heareth
These Sayings of mine,
and doeth them not,
shall be likened unto a Foolish Man,
which built his house upon the sand:
27. "And the rain descended,
and the floods came,
and the winds blew,
and beat upon that house;
and it fell:
and great was the fall of it."
28. And it came to pass,
when Jesus had ended these Sayings,
the people were astonished
at his Doctrine:
29. For He taught them
as one having authority,
and not as the scribes.

WHAT I TEACH IS FOUNDED UPON THE WORD OF GOD; THAT IS WISDOM: ANYTHING THAT DISAGREES WITH WHATEVER I SAY FROM THE SPIRIT OF GOD IS FOOLISHNESS.

You are a fool, TONYXXX, and you will answer for every idle word you have spoken, as will all of us.

Is there another reason people should be called fools, when they are not fools?

Only fools should be called fools.

tonyxxx:
I expected you to make your arguments with facts & not just quote the entire bible in a bid to sound knowledgeable. It's obvious that you're very good at cramming your religious text.

IF YOU WERE WISE, YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN ALL OF THE SCRIPTURAL TEXTS THAT PROVE YOU WRONG.

If you already knew them, you should just have scrolled past them, to see what my personal comments were, that Knowledge of the Scriptures would have enabled you to understand.

Fools despise Wisdom and Instruction, King Solomon said.

You lied when you said you wanted facts, because The Bible is facts. How can a wise man complain against The Bible, and then complain, when The Bible is used to show what is missing from his alleged Mind?

. JOHN 14:21-27.

21. "He that hath my Commandments,
and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me:
and he that loveth me
shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him,
and will manifest myself
to him."

22. Judas saith unto him,
not Iscariot,

"Lord, how is it
that thou wilt
manifest thyself unto us,
and not unto the World?"

23. Jesus answered
and Said unto him,

"If a man love me,
he will keep my Words:
and my Father will love him,
and we will come unto him,
and make our abode with him.
24. "He that loveth me not
keepeth not my Sayings:
and the Word which ye hear
is not mine,
but The Father's
Which sent me.
25. "These things
have I spoken unto you,
being yet present with you.
26. "But The Comforter,
Which is The Holy Ghost,
Whom The Father will send
in my Name,
He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things
to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have
Said unto you.
27. "Peace I leave with you,
my Peace I give unto you:
not as the World giveth,
give I unto you.
Let not your heart
be troubled,
neither let it be afraid."

THE HOLY GHOST SHOWS THE SERVANTS WHAT TO SAY, AND REMINDS US OF THE WORDS OF GOD PERTAINING TO ANY GIVEN SITUATION.

I understand that you are only Human, but do try to keep up?

I HAVE NO TOLERANCE FOR YOUR LIE THAT THERE WAS SOMEONE YOU CALL "CHRIST," WHO TAUGHT SOMETHING YOU CALL "TOLERANCE."

There is such Teaching in The Gospel- presuming that you are talking about him.

He had no TOLERANCE for SIN, nor SINNERS.

. MATTHEW 23:16-33.

16. "Woe unto you,
ye blind guides,
which say,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL SWEAR
BY THE TEMPLE,
IT IS NOTHING;
BUT WHOSOEVER
SHALL SWEAR BY
THE GOLD OF THE TEMPLE,
HE IS A DEBTOR!'


17. "Ye fools and blind:
for whether is greater,
the gold,
or the Temple
that sanctifieth the gold?
18. "And,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL SWEAR
BY THE ALTAR,
IT IS NOTHING;
BUT WHOSOEVER
SWEARETH BY
THE GIFT THAT IS UPON IT,
HE IS GUILTY.'


19. "Ye fools and blind:
for whether is greater,
the gift, or the Altar
that sanctifieth the gift?
20. "Whoso therefore
shall swear by the Altar,
sweareth by it,
and by all things thereon.
21. "And whoso
shall swear by the Temple,
sweareth by It,
and by Him that dwelleth therein.
22. "And he that
shall swear by Heaven,
sweareth by the Throne of God,
and by Him that sitteth thereon.
23. Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye pay tithe
of mint and anise and cummin,
and have omitted
the weightier matters
of the Law,
Judgment, Mercy, and Faith:
these ought ye to have done,
and not to leave the other undone.
24. "Ye blind guides,
which strain at a gnat,
and swallow a camel.
25. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye make clean the outside
of the cup and of the platter,
but within they are
full of extortion and excess.
26. "Thou blind Pharisee,
cleanse first that
which is within the cup and platter,
that the outside of them
may be clean also.
27. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye are like unto
whited sepulchres,
which indeed
appear beautiful outward,
but are within
full of Dead Men's Bones,
and of all uncleanness.
28. "Even so ye also
outwardly appear Righteous
unto men,
but within ye are
full of Hypocrisy and Iniquity.
29. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
Because ye build
the tombs of the Prophets,
and garnish
the sepulchres of the Righteous,
30. "And say,

'IF WE HAD BEEN
IN THE DAYS OF OUR FATHERS,
WE WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN
PARTAKERS WITH THEM
IN THE BLOOD
OF THE PROPHETS.'


31. "Wherefore ye be
Witnesses unto yourselves,
that ye are the Children of them
which killed the Prophets.
32. "Fill ye up then
the Measure of your Fathers.
33. "Ye Serpents,
ye Generation of Vipers,
how can ye escape
The Damnation of Hell?"

. LUKE 11:39-40.

39. And the Lord Said unto him,

"Now do ye Pharisees
make clean the outside
of the cup and the platter;
but your inward part is
full of ravening and wickedness.
40. "Ye fools,
did not he that made that
which is without
make that which is within also?"

WHERE IS THE "TOLERANCE" IN THESE BLASTINGS OF PEOPLE MUCH MORE INTELLIGENT, AND BLESSED, THAN YOU?

Before beginning to talk, you should have known all those verses. But, you are a fool, who does not mind cursing our Creator. Why should you care what The Truth is?

tonyxxx:
But it's one thing to know how to quote the Bible and another thing to UNDERSTAND the Bible. While you said so many things,I would like to address the last thing you said about the devil being the first liar & father of lies.

YOU REFER TO:

. JOHN 8:42-48.

42. Jesus Said unto them,

"If God were your Father,
ye would love me
for I proceeded forth
and came from God;
neither came I of myself,
but He sent me.
43. "Why do ye not
understand my Speech?
Even because ye cannot
hear my Word.
44. "Ye are of your
Father The Devil,
and the lusts
of your Father ye will do.
He was a Murderer
From The Beginning,
and abode not in The Truth,
because there is
no Truth in him.
When he speaketh a lie,
he speaketh of his own:
for he is a liar,
and the Father of It.
45. "And because
I Tell you The Truth,
ye believe me not.
46. "Which of you
convinceth me of Sin?
And if I say The Truth,
why do ye not believe me?
47. "He that is of God
heareth God's Words:
ye therefore hear them not,
because ye are not of God."

tonyxxx:
contrary to your believe, the evidence is right there in the book of Genesis, but like Christ rightly said, "some have eyes but cannot see". Since u're all about quoting of bible passages that you have no true understanding about, let me speak your language & quote some for you in response to your last comment about the devil being the father of lies.

ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE, I HAVE TRUE UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE, WHICH A LYING BLASPHEMER, LADEN WITH SINS AS YOU ARE, CANNOT HAVE.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

HOW CAN YOU BOAST THAT YOU HAVE WISDOM, OR UNDERSTANDING, WHEN YOU HAVE NO FEAR OF GOD, NOR RESPECT FOR HIS WORD?

tonyxxx:
Gen 3:2,3,4[
AND THE WOMAN SAID TO THE SERPENT "WE MAY EAT THE FRUIT OF THE TREES IN THE GARDEN,GOD HAS SAID,'YOU SHALL NOT EAT IT,NOR SHALL YOU TOUCH IT, LEST YOU DIE'"
Keyword is "You shall surely die"
Now lests hear what the devil has to say in verse 4 & 5
GEN 3:4,5
THEN THE SERPENT SAID TO THE WOMAN,"YOU WOULD NOT SURELY DIE. FOR GOD KNOWS THAT IN THE DAY YOU EAT OF IT YOUR EYE'S WOULD BE OPENED AND YOU WOULD BE LIKE GOD.
Keyword is You would not surely die,your eyes would be opened (more knowledgeable & aware) & you would be like God.

KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL MAKES A PERSON LIKE GOD, WHO ALSO KNOWS GOOD AND EVIL.

The implication was that this should be tantamount to equality, such that RETALIATION and CONSEQUENCES would be irrelevant.

That was the Deception.

From Earthly Creatures's point-of view, Adam lived for 930 years.

From Heavenly Creatures' and God's point of view, Adam lost their life immediately they Sinned.

GOD could no longer recognize them: all they had was LEVEL 8 ANIMATION- Biological Robotics.

tonyxxx:
GEN 3:6,7
SO WHEN THE WOMAN SAW THAT THE TREE WAS GOOD FOR FOOD, THAT IT WAS PLEASANT TO THE EYES,AND A TREE DESIRABLE TO MAKE ONE WISE,SHE TOOK OF ITS FRUIT AND ATE. 7. THEN THE EYE'S OF BOTH OF THEM WERE OPENED,AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE Unclad,AND THEY SEWED FIG LEAVES TOGETHER AND MADE THEMSELVES COVERINGS.

EVERY FOOL GLOSSES OVER THE FACT THAT ADAM COULD TALK TO ANIMALS, AND COULD ANALYZE THE PROPERTIES OF PLANTS, JUST BY LOOKING AT THEM.

Living Entities can do those things.

The Dead cannot do those things.

Perhaps you need simpler words?

tonyxxx:
Note: chapter seven further comfirmed the truths spoken by the devil as indeed their eyes became opened (sentience) and they realised they had been walking in dehumanized conditions thus far. Why would a loving creator have the need to keep humans uninformed like ordinary animals after claiming to create them in his image and likeness.

YOU ARE STILL IMMATURE, AND HAVE UNDEVELOPED FACULTIES- SPECIFICALLY, INTELLIGENCE, INTELLECT, RESPONSIBILITY, CONSCIENCE, COMMONSENSE, AND POWER OF MEMORY.

Did your parents show you Adult Movies as a child? Give you Coffee and Alcohol to drink, Tobacco and Marijuana to smoke?

Things Adults take in stride will mess up a child. If you were a parent yourself, or remembered growing up in a functional family, you would know this.

Instead, you ascribe the basest motives to the Wisest Being in all Existence.

Knowing all the tricks of ARITHMETIC is amazing in preteens- that does not make them MATHEMATICIANS.

. PROVERBS 1:1-7.

7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is the Beginning of Wisdom:
and the Knowledge of the holy
is Understanding.

. ISAIAH 55:6-11.

6. Seek ye The LORD
while He may be found,
call ye upon Him
while he is near:
7. Let the Wicked
forsake his Way,
and the Unrighteous man
his Thoughts:
and let him return
unto The LORD,
and He will have Mercy
upon him;
and to our God,
for He will abundantly pardon.

8. "FOR MY THOUGHTS ARE NOT YOUR THOUGHTS,
NEITHER ARE YOUR WAYS MY WAYS," saith The LORD.
9. "FOR AS THE HEAVENS
ARE HIGHER
THAN THE EARTH,
SO ARE MY WAYS
HIGHER THAN YOUR WAYS,
AND MY THOUGHTS THAN YOUR THOUGHTS.
10. "FOR AS THE RAIN
COMETH DOWN,
AND THE SNOW
FROM HEAVEN,
AND RETURNETH
NOT THITHER,
BUT WATERETH THE EARTH,
AND MAKETH IT
BRING FORTH AND BUD,
THAT IT MAY GIVE
SEED TO THE SOWER,
AND BREAD TO THE EATER:
11. "SO SHALL MY WORD BE
THAT GOETH FORTH
OUT OF MY MOUTH:
IT SHALL NOT RETURN
UNTO ME VOID,
BUT IT SHALL ACCOMPLISH
THAT WHICH I PLEASE,
AND IT SHALL PROSPER
IN THE THING
WHERETO I SENT IT."


. MATTHEW 9:16-17.

16. "No man putteth
a piece of new cloth
unto an old garment,
for that which is
put in to fill it up
taketh from the garment,
and the rent is made worse.
17. "Neither do men
put new wine
into old bottles:
else the bottles break,
and the wine runneth out,
and the bottles perish:
but they put new wine
into new bottles,
and both are preserved."

THERE IS A HUGE GAP BETWEEN A PERSON WHO KNOWS GOOD AND EVIL, AND GOD.

ADAM had 930 years to bridge that gap. As far as we know, he never succeeded.

How long will you have?

You have, at your age, failed to even attain even the most rudimentary concept of The Knowledge of Good and Evil:

THE FEAR OF THE LORD.

. GENESIS 2:16-17.

16. And The LORD God
Commanded the Man,
Saying,

“Of every Tree of The Garden
thou mayest freely eat:
17. "But of The Tree of
The Knowledge
of
Good and Evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the Day
that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die."

THE BOOK OF GENESIS WAS WRITTEN BY MOSES, SEQUEL TO HIS EXPERIENCES WITH GOD, SPENDING EIGHTY DAYS WITH HIM, WITHOUT EATING NOR DRINKING.

This is Sacred Knowledge, not Human opinion. If God said that Adam would die THAT DAY, that they broke The Commandment, and 3,000 years of Bible Teachers have seen nothing wrong with that.

. GENESIS 5:1-5.

THIS is the Book
of the Generations of Adam.
In the day that God created Man,
in the likeness of God
made He him;
2. Male and female created
he them;
and blessed them,
and called their name Adam,
in the day when they were created.
3. And Adam lived
an hundred and thirty years,
and begat a son
in his own likeness,
after his image;
and called his name Seth:
4. And the days of Adam
after he had begotten Seth
were eight hundred years:
and he begat sons and daughters:
5. And all the days
that Adam lived
were nine hundred and thirty years:
and he died.

NOW THE FOOL- LIKE YOU- WOULD SAY THAT "GOD LIED! ADAM LIVED 930 YEARS AFTER HE WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE DIED!

The Wiser would humbly recognize that there was something beyond his level of Understanding going on here, and MEDITATE to FIND OUT the answer, instead of presuming that they know better than The God of The Bible.

. JOB 39:13-18.

13. "Gavest thou the goodly wings
unto the peacocks?
or wings and feathers
unto the ostrich?
14. "Which leaveth
her eggs in the earth,
and warmeth them in dust,
15. "And forgetteth
that the foot may crush them,
or that the wild beast
may break them.
16. "She is hardened
against her young ones,
as though they were not her's:
her labour is in vain without fear;
17. "Because God hath
deprived her of Wisdom,
neither hath He
imparted to her Understanding.
18." What time she
lifteth up herself on high,
she scorneth
the horse and his rider."

THERE ARE EIGHT LEVELS OF SPIRITUAL ENERGY.

Seven pertain to HEAVEN and to GOD.

The EIGHTH pertains to THE EARTH,and to PLANTS, INSECTS, AND ANIMALS of the Earth.

The seven Spiritual Energy Levels of Heaven are what GOD calls "LIFE."

That is what ADAM gave up the day that they broke God's COMMANDMENTS.
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 7:16am On Jun 13
MISHIGAS!

tonyxxx:

Am not surprised that a so called Christan would be so fast to label another man a fool, simply because he does not agree with his ideas,as tolerance was one of true teachings of christ.

That is what ADAM gave up the day that they broke God's COMMANDMENTS.

. GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man
in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female
created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

THEIR FIRST SIN WAS IN ALLOWING A SUBORDINATE TO BOSS THEM.

Nearly nobody Christian ever believed in THAT Commandment, so 2,000 years of Bible Teachers have never picked up on It, and all the focus is on "THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT."

. DEUTERONOMY 8:1-6.

ALL The Commandments
Which I Command thee this day
shall ye observe to do,
that ye may live,
and multiply,
and go in and possess the land
which The LORD sware
unto your fathers.
2. And thou shalt remember
all the Way which The LORD
thy God led thee these forty years
in the wilderness,
to humble thee,
and to prove thee,
to know what was in thine heart,
whether thou wouldest
keep His Commandments,
or no.
3. And He humbled thee,
and suffered thee to hunger,
and fed thee with Manna,
which thou knewest not,
neither did thy fathers know;
that He might make thee
know that

"MAN DOTH NOT
LIVE BY BREAD ONLY
BUT BY EVERY (WORD)
THAT PROCEEDETH OUT OF
THE MOUTH OF THE LORD
DOTH MAN LIVE."


4. Thy raiment waxed not
old upon thee,
neither did thy foot swell,
these forty years.
5. Thou shalt also consider
in thine heart,

"THAT, AS A MAN
CHASTENETH HIS SON,
SO THE LORD THY GOD
CHASTENETH THEE."


6. Therefore thou shalt keep
The Commandments of
The LORD thy God,
to walk in His Ways,
and to fear Him.

[color =silver].[/color] PSALM 119:97-105.

97. O how I love Thy Law!
It is my meditation all the day.
98. Thou through Thy Commandments
hast made me Wiser
than mine enemies:
for They are ever with me.
99 I have more Understanding
than all my teachers:
for Thy Testimonies
are my meditation.
100. I understand
more than the Ancients,
because I keep Thy Precepts.
101. I have refrained my feet
from every Evil Way,
that I might keep Thy Word.
102. I have not departed
from Thy Judgments:
for Thou hast taught me.
103. How sweet are Thy Words
unto my taste!
yea, sweeter than honey
to my mouth!
104. Through Thy Precepts
I get Understanding:
therefore I hate every False Way.
105. Thy Word is a Lamp
unto my feet,
and a Light unto my path.

WHEN THEY DISAGREED WITH GOD'S FUNDAMENTAL COMMANDMENT, THEY GAVE UP WHAT GOD CALLS LIFE.

Life comes from The LOGOS Word of God.

The Logos (spiritual source eternal record) is accessed by meditating upon the RHEMA (physical transient manifestation) Word of God.

YOU are like an OSTRICH, laying its Hope of Future Generations out where a hostile entity can destroy them.

The Devil.

After you have alienated the only Source of TRUE Life:

THE TEN TALENTS OF POWER. (Matt. 25.)

1. TOTAL RECALL.
2. EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION.
3. TELEKINESIS.
4. TELEPORTATION.
5. TRANSLATION.
6-10. EVERLASTING LIFE.

The Devil, who deceived you, will feed upon your unused Spiritual Energies- where you fail to apply THE TEN TALENTS- your whole life, and when you die, feed on the remnant when you are destroyed for failing the sentience test.

That is HIS Plan.

What's YOUR little plan?

"CURSE GOD AND DIE- THEN FIND OUT?"

GOOD Plan!

That'll work!

. DEUTERONOMY 30:19-20.

19. I call Heaven and Earth
to record this day against you,
that I have set before you
Life and Death,
Blessing and Cursing:
therefore CHOOSE LIFE,

That both thou
and thy seed may live:

20. That thou mayest
love The LORD thy God,

And that thou mayest
obey His Voice,

and that thou mayest
cleave unto Him:

for He is thy Life,
and the Length of thy days:

That thou mayest dwell
in the land
which The LORD sware
unto thy fathers,
to Abraham, to Isaac,
and to Jacob,
to give them.

[color =silver].[/color] AMOS 3:3.

3. "Can two walk together,
except they be agreed?"

SPIRITUAL ENERGY AT HEAVENLY LEVELS IS WHAT GOD SAYS IS "LIFE."

[color =silver].[/color] GENESIS 1:24.

24. And God Said,

"Let the Earth bring forth
the living creature after his kind,
cattle, and creeping thing,
and beast of the Earth after his kind:
and it was so."

WHAT THE ANIMALS HAVE IS NOT LIFE.

It is devoid of WISDOM and UNDERSTANDING.

. GENESIS 3:1-15.

NOW the Serpent was more subtil
than any Beast of the Field
which the LORD God had made.
And he said unto the woman,

"Yea, hath God Said,

'YE SHALL NOT EAT
OF EVERY TREE
OF THE GARDEN?' "


2. And the woman said
unto the Serpent,

"We may eat of the fruit
of the Trees of the Garden:
3. "But of the fruit of the Tree
which is in the midst of the Garden,
God hath Said,

'YE SHALL NOT EAT OF IT,
NEITHER SHALL YE TOUCH IT,
LEST YE DIE.' "


4. And the Serpent said
unto the woman,

"Ye shall not surely die:
5. "For God doth know
that in the Day ye eat thereof,
then your eyes shall be opened,
and ye shall be as gods,
knowing Good and Evil."

6. And when the woman saw
that the Tree was good for food,
and that it was pleasant to the eyes,
and a Tree to be desired
to make one Wise,
she took of the fruit thereof,
and did eat,
and gave also
unto her husband with her;
and he did eat.
7. And the eyes of them both
were opened,
and they knew that they were Unclad;
and they sewed fig leaves together,
and made themselves aprons.
8. And they heard
The Voice of The LORD God
walking in the Garden
in the cool of the day:
and Adam and his wife hid themselves
from The Presence of The LORD God
amongst the trees of the Garden.
9. And The LORD God
called unto Adam,
and Said unto him,

" Where art thou?"

10. And he said,

"I heard Thy Voice in the Garden,
and I was afraid,
because I was Unclad;
and I hid myself."

11. And He Said,

"Who told thee
that thou wast Unclad?
Hast thou eaten of the Tree,
whereof I Commanded thee
that thou shouldest not eat?"

12. And the Man said,

"The Woman whom thou gavest
to be with me,
she gave me of the tree,
and I did eat.”

13. And The LORD God Said
unto the Woman,

"What is this that thou hast done?"

And the Woman said,

"The Serpent beguiled me,
and I did eat."

14 And The LORD God Said
unto the Serpent,

"Because thou hast done this,
thou art Cursed above all Cattle,
and above every Beast of the Field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go,
and dust shalt thou eat
all the days of thy life:
15. "And I will put Enmity
between thee and the Woman,
and between thy seed and her seed;
it shall bruise thy head,
and thou shalt bruise his heel."

THE CONSCIOUSNESS OF INFANTS ALTERNATES BETWEEN THE EIGHT LEVELS OF LIFE FORCE, UNTIL SOMEONE TEACHES THEM TO FIX IT IN THE EIGHTH, AND LOWEST LEVEL.

[See: THE FIRE FROM WITHIN, by Carlos Castaneda.[/b]

THE NAGUALS- Native American Shapeshifter Seers- have tried raising children without letting this happen to them; all that we can know about them is that they succeeded at that.

Sorcerers of our country do not *see,* so they do not know what they are doing, and so, have never achieved these results.

Only those NAGUALS know.

Everything the NAGUALS *saw,* we can also *see.* We can therefore verify everything The Bible claims.

Bible Religionists since Lord Yeshua have forgotten this Knowledge. Lord Yeshua's Disciples peed his Knowledge away, having lost interest, once they saw that their JUNIORS would become their Everlasting Seniors.

tonyxxx:
Now after God found out adam & Eve disobeyed him & subsequently cursed them and the devil,as well as making a proclamation of casting them out of the garden (which seems to be too harsh for a so called father to mete out to his beloved children just because of a naive mistake). Now before you say it serves them right, especially after allowing the so called lying devil to lead them astray.

YOUR STUPIDITY IS DISGUSTING.

. GENESIS 1:26-31.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

29. And God Said,

"Behold, I have given you
every herb bearing seed,
which is upon
the Face of all the Earth,
and every tree,
in the which is the fruit
of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat.
30. And to every Beast of the Earth,
and to every fowl of the air,
and to every thing
that creepeth upon the Earth,
wherein there is life,
I have given
every green herb for meat:"

and it was so.
31. And God saw every thing
that He had made,
and, behold, it was Very Good.
And the evening and the morning
were the sixth day.

ADAM WERE GIVEN CONTROL OVER THE GARDEN OF EDEN, AND ALL OF ITS CONTENTS.

They could eat ANYTHING, and TOUCH anything they wanted, BECAUSE THEY HAD LIFE.

After they gave their Divine Rights away, The Garden of Eden was then a DEATHTRAP to them.

They HAD to LEAVE- do you know how many PLANTS, INSECTS, and ANIMALS there are that can KILL you, just by TOUCHING them

But, as you HATE God, you can only think of Him MALICIOUSLY, and imagine HIM to be motivated by HATE- as YOU YOURSELF are.

After Adam had shown themselves not to care about the consequences of disobedience, YOUR idea is to give them IMMORTALITY, so that they can mess up the Earth for ever?

[quote author=tonyxxx post=79223751]Here are the exact words of your God validating the words of the devil in the following verse below.

GEN 3:22
THEN GOD SAID,"BEHOLD, THE MAN HAS BECOME LIKE ONE OF US,TO KNOW GOOD AND EVIL. AND NOW,LEST HE PUT HIS HAND AND TAKE ALSO FROM THE TREE OF LIFE,AND EAT AND LIVE FOREVER".
Note:
first thing to note is that God confirmed the words of the so called devil in verse 4 & 5 to be in fact true.
secondly, your God said they would diGospwlch they didn't. and before you come and start telling me that they lost their immotality, verse 22 confirmed they never had it in the first place,else why would he be scared shitless of them eating from the tree of life. Which confirms that they would have died anyway, wether they were obedient or not, hence his earlier threat of them dying was an empty one. imagine having a child and depriving them of education just because u're scared they would surpass you one day, only a petty mind would concieve of such evil.

EXACTLY: YOUR MIND IS JUST SO PETTY.

Therefore, you could only come up with Bible Interpretations that cast GOD: THE MAGNANIMOUS CREATOR as "PETTY," and "EVIL."

Yet, you do not want to be called a "FOOL!"

Talking about GOD, as if you and He were MATES! It is preposterous!

. GENESIS 3:22-24.

22. And The LORD God Said,

"Behold, the Man
is become as one of Us,
to know Good and Evil:
and now,
lest he put forth his hand,
and take also
of The Tree of Life,
and eat,
and live for ever:"

23. Therefore The LORD God
sent him forth
from The Garden of Eden,
to till the ground
from whence he was taken.
24. So He drove out the Man;
and he placed at the East
of The Garden of Eden
Cherubims,
and a Flaming Sword
which turned every way,
to keep The Way
of The Tree of Life.

A PERSON WHO HAS LIFE DOES NOT NEED A FRUIT TO GIVE HIM THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, NOR EVERLASTING LIFE.

Such Plants and Fruits exist today.

[See: THE TEACHINGS OF DON JUAN: A Yaqui Way of Knowledge, by Carlos Castaneda.]

The ones that are known are useless without the Spiritual Disciplines needed to allow Mind and Body to process them properly- otherwise, they are mere "HALLUCINOGENICS" and "POISONS."

tonyxxx:
(It's so sad that your so called Pope's,bishops & reverends who are supposed to be the highest authority in bible studies, either are oblivious of this passage,or rather not talk about it, because it's implications would rattle the entire Christan community)

HUBRIS MAKES STUPID KIDS THINK THAT THEY KNOW MORE THAN GENERATIONS OF THEIR ANCESTORS.

What is more likely: that you are making a stupid mistake, or that all of those Theologians made a stupid mistake?

I waited for seven years before I found the confirmation of my findings after five years as a Full-Gospel Christian.

You immediately jumped to conclusions, and destroyed your own Eternal Destiny.

I have no sympathy for your kind.

tonyxxx:
In conclusion,with everything I've said so far,I want to ask you a personal question mr oaroloye,a question whose answer should already be obvious to a discerning mind by now. WHO DO YOU REALLY THINK IS THE FIRST LIAR AND FATHER OF LIES ACCORDING TO THE ACCOUNT OF YOUR HOLY BIBLE

THE FIRST LIAR WAS THE SERPENT.

tonyxxx:
Your response would tell me if u're one of those disillusioned fanatical religious robots or one who has indeed been illuminated and libreted by the true light of the indweler or what you call the holy spirit. Thanks in anticipation of your response.

NAGUALISM IS BASED ON DISCRIMINATORY EXTRASENSORY PERCEPTION- NOT ON DOGMA.

As an Enlightened Full-Gospel Christian, I understood their Visions beyond what Carlos Castaneda knew, because he experienced and *saw* what The Bible merely touches upon, and hints at- despite his not being a real Christian. (He was raised as a Roman Catholic, but was never devout- therefore, he recognized nothing that he experienced, or was taught, as being in The Bible.)

In one of his experiences, they successfully opened a GateWay into another World.

However, whereas he was able to walk up to the entrance, he was unable to set one foot inside. He could not move through the GateWay at all.

He did not have the appropriate Life Energies to operate in THAT World- whereas he had been to another World before.

He was supposed to have the Energy to enter ANY World: that was what he had been CHOSEN for- but, being an Oyinbo Idiot, he did not take the Warnings and Conditions seriously, and had SEX and even birthed at least one son.

This drained a critical amount of Spiritual Energy from him, and largely contributed to his untimely death, before he could attain EVERLASTING LIFE.

This is what happens when people think that they know everything- or only pay lip-service to the fact that they don't.

YOU DO NOT HAVE LIFE: YOU ONLY THINK THAT YOU DO.

. JOHN 5:24.

24. "Verily, verily, I Say unto you,

'HE THAT
HEARETH MY WORD,
AND BELIEVETH ON HIM
THAT SENT ME,
HATH EVERLASTING LIFE,
AND SHALL NOT
COME INTO CONDEMNATION;
BUT IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE.' "


Carlos Castaneda is an example of what THE SERPENT DID TO ADAM: he HAD It all- and The Serpent took it away through techniques Carlos Castaneda was shown, but was too dimwitted to understand what he was looking at.

While you fools are playing prima donna, we may be on the verge of losing the last of our autonomy as a Sentient Species- such as it was- while you are all wasting the time you could have been using to save yourselves, and protect those precious to you.

For all your Big Talk, you know nothing and have nothing.

FEAR is what holds YOU bound. Hostage.

You cannot proceed, because you do not know whether you could live with how you would be required to live.
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 10:48am On Jun 13
For all your display of hubris,I expected a well thought-out,informed and articulate response deviod of derogatory terms aimed at one who asked a simple question. A true enlightened being is one who emanates calmness,wisdom,love and tolerance. So far all i can perceive from your response is anger. However am not surprised, because if I was less informed,I would be angry too, especially when a single question threatens to rattle what your entire faith is built upon, using the very same passages you have blindly read all your life. Interestingly,I was once like you until I realized that the true path to true enlightenment & spiritual freedom involved holding less beliefs instead of more. However despite all your prattling, cursing,and racist comments i would rather focus on the discussion at hand. In Truth,one would not find any of the traits uve expressed above in the character of a true Christan. If I were you I would use the opportunity to learn a thing or two from the article instead of speaking like one who knows it all, when your shallow, vulgar speech says otherwise. Even for some of us that is well aquainted with almost every religious book on the planet,from the Bible, the Quran,the Torah,the baghavad Gita, and countless more,cannot claim to know it all as we keep learning everyday. They you stop learning is the day you die. You sir,seems to have learnt everything there is to know about spirituality, talking about things you have no inkling about like spiritual energies. Before I digress, let's talk about TOLERANCE. Which according to you cannot be found expressed anywhere in the bible. Once again let's have a look at your holy bible in which one of the notable quotes attributed to Christ says "LOVE THY NEIGHBOR AS THYSELF". The question is how can you love your neighbor as yourself if you cannot tolerate his way of life,norms and religious beliefs? How can you express love to your neighbor if you think yourself more superior to those who are of a different inclination as you? Answer that & maybe we can talk more on tolerance. (what do you really think christ was teaching when he asked those who think themselves to be blameless to cast the first stone on the adultress?)
in your little tirade you even went as far as boldly stating that "anyone that disagrees with what you say from the spirit of God is foolish" Very laughable if you ask me because from your uttrances you wouldn't even recognize the spirit of God even if it was standing right in front of you. I can conclude from your comments that from your disillusioned state of mind you think God to be a Christain and everyone who isn't one is dammed to hell. Thankfully the wise knows there's no Truth to that. In conclusion I leave you with a quote by max muller "He who knows only one religion knows none. (and in regards to all your curses & insults,their effect was quite ticklish on me, you certainly cracked me up there,tonyxxx forgives you, for you no not what ure saying)
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 12:04pm On Jun 13
oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!



. 1th Peter 3:15-16.

15. But sanctify
The LORD God in your hearts:
and be ready always
to give an answer
to every man
that asketh you a reason
of The Hope that is in you
with meekness and fear:
16. Having a good conscience; that, whereas
they speak evil of you,
as of evildoers,
they may be ashamed
that falsely accuse
your good conversation
in Christ.

I FIND IT DISGRACEFUL THAT NO OTHER CHRISTIAN HAS HAD ANYTHING TO SAY TO REPLY TO THIS GARBAGE!

I am angered that I have to take out the trash, all by myself!

What do you go to all those elaborate Church Ritual Ceremonies for, when you are as empty of useful Knowledge before as after?



. LUKE 12:8-9.

8. "Also I say unto you,

'WHOSOEVER SHALL CONFESS ME BEFORE MEN,
HIM SHALL THE SON OF MAN ALSO CONFESS
BEFORE THE ANGELS OF GOD:'


9. "But he that denieth me before men
shall be denied before the Angels of God."

I WANT ALL "CHRISTIANS," WHO DO NOT SPEAK UP PUBLICLY WHEN NECESSARY, TO KNOW THAT THEY HAVE RENOUNCED THEIR SALVATION- PRESUMING THAT THEY EVER HAD ANY!



. REVELATION 20:10.

10. And the Devil
that deceived them
was cast into
The Lake of Fire
and Brimstone,
where the Beast
and the False Prophet are,
and shall be tormented
day and night
for ever and ever.

ALL OF THE WORLD'S RELIGIONS WERE EITHER CREATED OR CORRUPTED BY THE DEVIL.

Israel's neighbours worshipped the Babylonian god MARDUK: who was famous for INFANT WORSHIP.

The AZTECS of South America were famous for sacrificing their Priestesses, by hacking out their still-beating hearts with stone knives.

The author claims ignorance of this, but is probably lying.

THE BOOK OF JOB explicitly stated that Natural Disasters of Wind and Lightning, Terrorist and Robbery attacks are CONTROLLED BY SATAN.

What Satan did to JOB is what he had been doing ALL OVER THE EARTH. Therefore, God asked him: "Have you considered trying that (*Bleep!*) on my Servant JOB?"


. GENESIS 1:26-28.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man
in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God
created He him;
male and female
created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

GOD CREATED MAN TO CONTROL SATAN, AND EVERYTHING ELSE UPON THE EARTH.

JOB was supposed to have SUBDUED SATAN, and STOPPED him from hurting anyone else.

But, instead of *seeing,* JOB CAVED IN, and resorted to SELF-PITY- burning out his Spirit Energy, enabling Satan to affect him directly with BOILS.



THAT WAS NOT THE PURPOSE OF THE CRUCIFIXION.

Lord Yeshua never said that his Crucifixion allowed Sinners to go free of punishment for their Sins.

Only what Lord Yeshua said about his Crucifixion counts for anything.



THE HYPOCRISY OF THE OYINBO CRITICS OF BLOOD SACRIFICE IN GENERAL, AND THIS FOOL IN PARTICULAR, IS EVIDENT, IN THAT EVERY GENERATION OF THEIRS' HAS DONE EXACTLY THAT.

They call it: THE ARMED FORCES.

The Oyinbos regard it as honourable to put their own children in harm's way to protect the wicked people of America.

When ISRAEL went to War against the INFANTICIDAL, ENSLAVING, DEVIL-WORSHIPPING ROBBERS who were their Neighbours, Good Men- such as they were- died for the sake of GOODNESS and RIGHTEOUSNESSES- sent into battle by their own fathers.

How then, could GOD ALMIGHTY withhold His own Son?

The author must be very immature, to never have served his country, nor raised sons to so serve.

So, we have these immature idiots, with no idea how to rule a World, nor a Nation- telling us that they know better than GOD- what He should, and what He should not Sacrifice.



GOD DOES NOT LOVE US ALL!

Who told the Author THAT bull(*Bleep!*)it?

Actually, the wicked Oyinbo Hypocrites do preach, even to this day, that GOD LOVES SINNERS. Which is BLASPHEMY, and NOWHERE in The Bible. It was invented in the 19th Century by an Englishman named HENRY MOOREHOUSE, and introduced to America by DWIGHT L. MOODY of Chicago, when he saw that it enabled him to make literally one hundred times as many converts as when he preached THE TRUTH: that God HATES Sinners- not just their SINS.

I have broken the story here before, but was largely ignored- as usual!



GOD ONLY LOVES THOSE WHO LOVE HIM AND KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.

Why should the Author think that God should love people who BLASPHEME His Name, and serve the Enemy of His Kingdom?

Is that what emboldens him to curse GOD in this way?
If you criticise the Babylonians for worshipping Marduk and sacrificing little kid's, what do you say about prophet Elijah that was so egotistic he conjured up a bear to kill a dozen little children,whose only crime was just being naughty like kids are prone to? What do you say about the countless murder & genocide that was carried out by the Israelites on the order of their God like the one in 1st Samuel 15:1? Or how he promised them a land already occupied by other people,to be taken by war & utmost violence? You might not understand the import until it happens to you. i know u're from the Yoruba extraction so for
illustration purposes,let's imagine kibuka for example,an East African God. Let's imagine him promising the entire land of the Yoruba race to his chosen people with specific orders for them to take it by total annahilation. Would you in your right sense's think of such an hiterto unknown God to be just and fair? Another question for you is how can he claim to be the creator of all of us and yet support only a tiny tribe? since he's the creator it stands to reason that he could have simply made us in whatever way he Desires,so what ever flaw we experience are ultimately the flaws of his very own design. hence they are his flaws! What an informed being would have done is to fix the flaws instead of blaming the product.
Now back to the issues of the serpent being the evil one.
NUMBERS 21:8,9
THE LORD SAID TO MOSES "MAKE A SERPENT AND MOUNT IT ON A POLE. WHEN ANYONE WHO IS BITTEN LOOKS AT IT,HE WILL LIVE"
MOSES MADE A BRONZE SERPENT AND MOUNTED IT ON A POLE. IF ANYONE WAS BITTEN LOOKED AT THE BRONZE SERPENT HE WOULD RECOVER.

Now how does an evil serpent goes from being a cursed deciever to an image of healing and restoration? All from the mouth of the very same God that cursed him in the first place. (There's quite a lot of insight I could share on this but I fear your fanatical one sided view would hamper your ability to see from a different perspective)

MATTHEW 10:16
I AM SENDING YOU OUT LIKE SHEEP AMONG WOLVES. THEREFORE BE WISE AS A SERPENT & INNOCENT AS A DOVE.

my question is this,if wisdom or knowledge is such a bad thing like the old testament God implied in Genesis,how come his only begotten son can be seen encouraging it in the verse above?
In conclusion i end with the words of proverbs 18:15 AN INTELLIGENT HEART ACQUIRES KNOWLEDGE AND THE EARS OF THE WISE SEEKS KNOWLEDGE. And James 3:17
BUT THE WISDOM FROM ABOVE IS FIRST PURE,THEN PEACEABLE, GENTLE, OPEN TO REASON, FULL OF MERCY AND GOOD FRUITS,IMPARTIAL AND SINCERE.
Sadly I cannot say the same for everything uve said so far. Am sure that a discerning mind would be able see between the lines from what we've both said so far. Shalom
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 12:09pm On Jun 13
quivah:
Following...
u're highly welcomed lady quivah
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 7:01pm On Jun 13
MISHIGAS!

YAHWEH GOD CREATED THE HUMAN RACE FOR ONE SPECIFIC REASON.

. GENESIS 1:26-31.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

29. And God Said,

"Behold, I have given you
every herb bearing seed,
which is upon
the Face of all the Earth,
and every tree,
in the which is the fruit
of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat.
30. And to every beast of the Earth,
and to every fowl of the air,
and to every thing
that creepeth upon the Earth,
wherein there is life,
I have given
every green herb for meat:"

and it was so.
31. And God saw every thing
that He had made,
and, behold, it was Very Good.
And the evening and the morning
were the sixth day.

ANY ADULT WHO DOES NOT KNOW THIS, AND ANY CHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS DID NOT TEACH THEM THIS HAVE NO RIGHT TO LIVE.

. NUMBERS 14:26-35.

26. And The LORD Spake
unto Moses and unto Aaron,
Saying,

27. "How long shall I bear
with this Evil Congregation,
which murmur against Me?
I have heard the murmurings
of the Children of Israel,
which they murmur
against Me.
28. "Say unto them,

[b]'AS TRULY AS I LIVE,
SAITH THE LORD,
AS YE HAVE SPOKEN IN MINE EARS,
SO WILL I DO TO YOU:
29. 'YOUR CARCASES SHALL FALL
IN THIS WILDERNESS;
AND ALL THAT WERE
NUMBERED OF YOU,
ACCORDING TO YOUR WHOLE NUMBER,
FROM TWENTY YEARS OLD
AND UPWARD,
WHICH HAVE MURMURED
AGAINST ME,
30. 'DOUBTLESS YE SHALL NOT
COME INTO THE LAND,
CONCERNING WHICH I SWARE
TO MAKE YOU DWELL THEREIN,
SAVE CALEB THE SON OF JEPHUNNEH,
AND JOSHUA THE SON OF NUN.
31. 'BUT YOUR LITTLE ONES,
WHICH YE SAID SHOULD BE A PREY,
THEM WILL I BRING IN,
AND THEY SHALL KNOW
THE LAND WHICH YE HAVE DESPISED.
32. 'BUT AS FOR YOU,
YOUR CARCASES,
THEY SHALL FALL IN THIS WILDERNESS.
33. 'AND YOUR CHILDREN
SHALL WANDER IN THE WILDERNESS
FORTY YEARS,
AND BEAR YOUR WHOREDOMS,
UNTIL YOUR CARCASES BE WASTED
IN THE WILDERNESS.
34. 'AFTER THE NUMBER OF THE DAYS
IN WHICH YE SEARCHED THE LAND,
EVEN FORTY DAYS,
EACH DAY FOR A YEAR,
SHALL YE BEAR YOUR INIQUITIES,
EVEN FORTY YEARS,
AND YE SHALL KNOW
MY BREACH OF PROMISE.
35. 'I THE LORD HAVE SAID,

"I WILL SURELY DO IT UNTO
ALL THIS EVIL CONGREGATION,
THAT ARE GATHERED TOGETHER
AGAINST ME:
IN THIS WILDERNESS
THEY SHALL BE CONSUMED,
AND THERE THEY SHALL DIE." ' "
[/b]

tonyxxx:
You lost me the moment you made the assumption that the Bible is the main collection of scriptural writing about God.

I TOLD YOU BEFORE THAT YOU ARE A FOOL.

tonyxxx:

Am not surprised that a so called Christan would be so fast to label another man a fool, simply because he does not agree with his ideas,as tolerance was one of true teachings of christ.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:7.

7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is the Beginning of Wisdom:
and the Knowledge of the holy
is Understanding.

INSTEAD OF HUMBLY ACCEPTING THE FACT, AND REPENTING, IN ORDER TO BEGIN TO BE WISE, YOU INSTEAD BLASPHEMED FURTHER, INVENTING A SCRIPTURAL EVENT THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

. LEVITICUS 19:16-18.

16. "Thou shalt not go up and down
as a Talebearer among thy people:
neither shalt thou stand against
the Blood of thy Neighbour:
I am The LORD.
17. "Thou shalt not Hate thy Brother
in thine heart:
thou shalt in any wise
rebuke thy Neighbour,
and not suffer Sin upon him.
18. "Thou shalt not Avenge,
nor bear any Grudge
against the Children of thy people,
but thou shalt Love thy Neighbour
as thyself:
I am The LORD."

. MATTHEW 18:15-20.

15. "Moreover if thy Brother
shall trespass against thee,
go and tell him his fault
between thee and him alone:
if he shall hear thee,
thou hast gained thy Brother.
16. "But if he will not hear thee,
then take with thee one or two more,

'THAT IN THE MOUTH
OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES
EVERY WORD
MAY BE ESTABLISHED.'


17. "And if he shall neglect to hear them,
tell it unto the Church:
but if he neglect to hear the Church,
let him be unto thee
as an Heathen man and a Publican.
18. "Verily I Say unto you,

'WHATSOEVER YE SHALL
BIND ON EARTH
SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN:
AND WHATSOEVER YE SHALL
LOOSE ON EARTH
SHALL BE LOOSED IN HEAVEN.'


19. "Again I Say unto you,

'THAT IF TWO OF YOU
SHALL AGREE ON EARTH
AS TOUCHING ANY THING
THAT THEY SHALL ASK,
IT SHALL BE DONE FOR THEM
OF MY FATHER
WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.'


20. "For where two or three
are gathered together in my Name,
there am I in the midst of them."

YOU LIED WHEN YOU SAID THAT LORD YESHUA TAUGHT "TOLERANCE."

Otherwise, you would have shown us any of his Teachings to that effect.

tonyxxx:
Because it tells me that you would be rather limited in your opinion.

THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW FOOLISH AND DISRESPECTFUL OF YOUR ELDER, WHO HAS BEEN STUDYING THE BIBLE SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, ARE.

If I tell you that The Bible contains "THE MAIN COLLECTION OF SCRIPTURAL WRITINGS ABOUT GOD," why would you be so stupid as to not only think, but even declare publicly, that that statement is an "ASSUMPTION?"

How could I possibly know that it is The Bible that is the main repository of authentic Writings about YAHWEH GOD OF YISRAEL?

What sort of EXPERIENCES of INFORMATION, and SPIRITUAL EVENTS could I have been exposed to, before forming such an "OPINION?"

tonyxxx:
imagine trying to explain quantum physics to a kindergarten student, that's how hard it would be for a conditioned mind to ponder the meaning of the article without getting emotional or defensive.[/b]

THIS AGAIN SHOWS THE SHALLOWNESS OF YOUR INTELLECT.

I have taught Secondary School in Nigeria, and know how ignorant your students are, firsthand.

Whereas, in England, where I grew up, we were taught in Elementary School, to comprehend Scientific Concepts even your Undergraduates struggle with.

During the MANHATTAN PROJECT to build the World's first ATOM BOMB, Nuclear Physics was still in its infancy. ENRICO FERMI, the Project Director, told the Scientists under him:

"DON'T COME TO ME, PROPOSING COMPLICATED THEORIES: IF YOU CANNOT EXPLAIN IT TO THE CLEANING LADY OUT IN THE HALL- I DON'T WANT TO HEAR IT!"

As a result of his wisdom, the Allies had the Atom Bomb before the Axis, and so decided the War.

. ROMANS 1:21-23.

21. Because that,
when they knew God,
they glorified Him
not as God,
neither were thankful;
but became vain in their imaginations,
and their foolish heart was darkened.
22. Professing themselves
to be wise,
they became fools,
23. And changed the Glory
of the Uncorruptible God
into an image made
like to corruptible man,
and to birds,
and fourfooted beasts,
and creeping things.

FALSE CHRISTIANS HAVE REVERED THE EPISTLES OF PAUL FOR TWENTY CENTURIES- WHEREAS, HE WAS IN FACT A PHARISEE UNDERCOVER AGENT, WHOSE WAS TASKED WITH DESTROYING CHRISTIANITY BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY.

Therefore, 99.9% of so-called Christians will not know that PAUL WAS TALKING THERE ABOUT LORD YESHUA AND HIS FOLLOWERS.

. MATTHEW 13:34-35.

34 All these things Spake Jesus
unto the multitude in Parables;
and without a Parable
Spake he not unto them:
35. That it might be fulfilled
which was spoken by the Prophet,
saying,

"I WILL OPEN MY MOUTH
IN PARABLES;
I WILL UTTER THINGS
WHICH HAVE BEEN KEPT SECRET
FROM THE FOUNDATION
OF THE WORLD."


. MARK 4:33-34.

33. And with many such Parables
spake he The Word unto them,
as they were able to hear It.
34. But without a Parable
spake he not unto them:
and when they were alone,
he expounded all things
to his Disciples.

THE PHARISEES SAID THAT THE KINGDOM OF GOD WAS TOO COMPLICATED FOR THE COMMON MAN TO UNDERSTAND: THEREFORE THEY HATED LORD YESHUA, WHO USED PARABLES BASED ON EVERYDAY THINGS, EVEN ILLITERATES COULD UNDERSTAND.

Therefore, when fools like you claim to know God better than Bible Believers BUT THAT YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS TOO ADVANCED FOR US TO UNDERSTAND,you are always lying.

At the end of the day, it turns out that what you think you know is nothing but garbage!

[quote author=tonyxxx post=79176774]that's how hard it would be for a conditioned mind to ponder the meaning of the article without getting emotional or defensive.

L. RON HUBBARD, THE FOUNDER OF SCIENTOLOGY, AND THE MOST PUBLISHED AUTHOR OF THE 20th CENTURY SAID:

"I HAVE FOUND THAT THE GREATER THE INTELLECT, THE EASIER THEY FIND IT TO COMMUNICATE TO THE LESSER INTELLECTUAL."

When your supposed "superior Knowledge of GOD" leads you to blaspheme God, and produces zero perception of His Goodness, of what use is it?

tonyxxx:
To address some of the issues,the old testament God did kill the entire Egyptian first borns,

I AM REALLY FED UP OF ILLITERATE FOOLS BRINGING THAT UP AS A NEGATIVE AGAINST GOD, AND I BEING THE ONLY ONE TO PRESENT THE SCRIPTURES EXPLAINING WHY GOD DID THAT.

. EXODUS 1:8-22.

8. Now there arose up
a new king over Egypt,
which knew not Joseph.
9. And he said unto his people,

"Behold, the people
of the Children of Israel
are more and mightier than we:
10. "Come on,
let us deal wisely with them;
lest they multiply,
and it come to pass,
that, when there falleth out any war,
they join also unto our enemies,
and fight against us,
and so get them up out of the land."

11. Therefore they did set over them taskmasters
to afflict them with their burdens.
And they built for Pharaoh treasure cities,
Pithom and Raamses.
12. But the more they afflicted them,
the more they multiplied and grew.
And they were grieved
because of the Children of Israel.
13. And the Egyptians made
the Children of Israel
to serve with rigour:
14. And they made their lives bitter
with hard bondage,
in morter, and in brick,
and in all manner of service in the field:
all their service,
wherein they made them serve,
was with rigour.
15. And the king of Egypt
spake to the Hebrew midwives,
of which the name of the one
was Shiphrah,
and the name of the other Puah:
16. And he said,

"When ye do the office of a midwife
to the Hebrew women,
and see them upon the stools;
if it be a son,
then ye shall kill him:
but if it be a daughter,
then she shall live."

17. But the midwives feared God,
and did not as the king of Egypt
commanded them,
but saved the men children alive.
18. And the king of Egypt called for the midwives,
and said unto them,

"Why have ye done this thing,
and have saved the men children alive?"

19. And the midwives said unto Pharaoh,

"Because the Hebrew women
are not as the Egyptian women;
for they are lively,
and are delivered ere the midwives
come in unto them."

20. Therefore God dealt well
with the midwives:
and the people multiplied,
and waxed very mighty.
21. And it came to pass,
because the midwives feared God,
that he made them Houses.
22. And Pharaoh charged all his people,
saying,

"Every son that is born
ye shall cast into the river,
and every daughter
ye shall save alive."

THE EGYPTIANS ADOPTED A POLICY OF MURDERING THE MALE OFFSPRING OF THE CHILDREN OF YISRAEL- JUST BECAUSE THEY WERE NUMEROUS.

YAHWEH GOD showed that Nation:

"THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS!"

tonyxxx:
killed off every enemy of one favoured human tribe,

THAT HAPPENED IN THE GREAT FLOOD, BUT NEVER ANYWHERE ELSE.


. JUDGES 3:1-4.

Now these are the nations
which The LORD left,
to prove Israel by them,
even as many of Israel
as had not known
all the wars of Canaan;
2. Only that the generations
of the Children of Israel might know,
to teach them war,
at the least such as before
knew nothing thereof;
3. Namely, five lords of the Philistines,
and all the Canaanites,
and the Sidonians
and the Hivites that dwelt
in mount Lebanon,
from mount Baalhermon
unto the entering in of Hamath.
4. And they were
to prove Israel by them,
to know whether
they would hearken
unto The Commandments
of The LORD,
which He Commanded
their fathers
by the hand of Moses.

WHO WERE THE TRIBE WHOM GOD KILLED OFF ALL OF THEIR ENEMIES FOR?

You who claim to have vaster knowledge of God than THE BIBLE, do not cite the sources of your supposed facts, because they are not based on KNOWLEDGE, but IMAGINATION.

tonyxxx:
nuked sodom and Gomorrah because of one excuse or the other

GOD DESTROYED SODOM AND GOMORRAH BECAUSE THEY WERE EXTREMELY WICKED PEOPLE, WHO NOT ONLY ROBBED AND RAPED VISITORS, BUT EVEN STARVED THEM TO DEATH IN THEIR STREETS.

. EZEKIEL 16:49-50.

49. "Behold,
this was the iniquity
of thy sister Sodom,
pride, fulness of bread,
and abundance of idleness
was in her and in her daughters,
neither did she strengthen
the hand of the poor and needy.
50. "And they were haughty,
and committed abomination
before Me:
therefore I took them away
as I saw (good)."

THIS IS WHAT AN IGNORANT FOOL WOULD CALL: "ONE EXCUSE OR THE OTHER."

Your foolishness led you to spout your ignorant opinion that I could not know anything more about God than what is written about Him in the 66 Books currently in The Bible, presuming me to be a functional illiterate like yourself, who has to bluff that you know better than The Bible, whereas, you do not even know what The Bible says.

. JASHER 18:11-17.

11. In those days all
the people of Sodom and Gomorrah,
and of the whole five cities,
were exceedingly wicked
and sinful against The LORD
and they provoked The LORD
with their abominations,
and they strengthened in aging
abominably and scornfully
before the LORD,
and their wickedness and crimes
were in those days
great before The LORD.
12. And they had in their land
a very extensive valley,
about half a day's walk,
and in it there were fountains of water
and a great deal of herbage
surrounding the water.
13. And all the people
of Sodom and Gomorrah
went there four times in the year,
with their wives and children
and all belonging to them,
and they rejoiced there
with timbrels and dances.
14. And in the time of rejoicing
they would all rise and lay
hold of their neighbor's wives,
and some,
the virgin daughters of their neighbors,
and they enjoyed them,
and each man saw
his wife and daughter
in the hands of his neighbor
and did not say a word.
15. And they did so
from morning to night,
and they afterward returned home
each man to his house
and each woman to her tent;
so they always did
four times in the year.
16. Also when a stranger
came into their cities
and brought goods
which he had purchased
with a view to dispose of there,
the people of these cities
would assemble,
men, women and children,
young and old,
and go to the man
and take his goods by force,
giving a little to each man
until there was an end
to all the goods of the owner
which he had brought into the land.
17. And if the owner of the goods
quarreled with them,
saying,

"What is this work
which you have done to me?"

then they would approach to him
one by one,
and each would show him
the little which he took
and taunt him,
saying,

"I only took that little
which thou didst give me;
and when he heard this
from them all,
he would arise and go from them
in sorrow and bitterness of soul,
when they would all arise
and go after him,
and drive him out of the city
with great noise and tumult."

THIS IS ENOUGH REASON TO MASSACRE BOTH CITIES- HOWEVER, WORSE ACCOUNTS ARE RELATED LATER ON.
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 12:43am On Jun 14
tonyxxx:
& even wiped off an entire race,save Noah all because people excercised their free will, which he supposedly gave to them during creation.

THIS IS AS STUPID AND IGNORANT AS IT GETS!

You think that only ONE RACE was destroyed in The Great Flood? You are that clueless?

There were beings who could be considered SUPERHUMANS- THE NEPHILIM HYBRIDS with Heavenly Humanoids. People who had sex with Beasts, and tried to produce Monsters that way- possibly succeeding, through Witchcraft and Sorcery. There were Giants whose sizes belied the Laws of Physics.

GOD SAID that these people were perverting His Creation, and He would not have it-O!

He got rid of all of them, and saved OUR ANCESTORS, the only Pure Humans left, and YOU DARE CRITICIZE HIS ACTION?

What sort of INSANE IDIOT are you?

tonyxxx:
The same God who created you and labeled you a gentile just for being different from the Israelites, displaying racism and favoritism

MORE STUPIDITY!

Why should He not show FAVORITISM toward THE ONLY RACE that kept His Commandments?

. GENESIS 17:1-7.

AND when Abram was
ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared to Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant
is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a Father of many Nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called "Abram,"
but thy name shall be "Abraham;"
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee
Exceeding Fruitful,
and I will make
nations of thee,
and kings shall
come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish
My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee
in their Generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee."

YOU ARE REALLY SO FOOLISH, THAT YOU THINK THAT GOD SHOULD BLESS THE WICKED, WHO ABUSE THE FREE-WILL OPTION, EQUALLY, WITH THOSE WHO LOVE HIM, SERVE HIM, AND WILLINGLY DO GOOD IN THE WORLD?

Can a person really be that stupid?

You obviously are too young to even understand BUSINESS, let alone own one.

Would you run your Business by paying beggars the same as your employees, who work for you?

You must think that God is very foolish, for not doing things your way, whereas, you fail to show how your way would work at all!

. GENESIS 18:17-33.

17. And The LORD said,
"Shall I hide from Abraham
that thing which I do;
18. "Seeing that Abraham
shall surely become
a great and mighty nation,
and all the nations of the Earth
shall be Blessed in him?
19. "For I know him,
that he will command his children
and his household after him,
and they shall keep The Way of The LORD,
to do Justice and Judgment;
that The LORD may bring upon Abraham
that which He hath spoken of him.

ONLY THE ISRAELITES WERE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW YAHWEH GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND PRECEPTS, WHETHER THEY WANTED TO OR NOT.

God therefore Punished them for their Sins on the Earth, and Rewarded them for their Righteousnesses.

Other nations were allowed to enjoy the Devils they preferred before God- and find out how poorly they had chosen upon their Death.

When most of them would be destroyed immediately. The few that escaped that Fate- through being able to exhibit TOTAL RECALL at Death, would be tortured or otherwise, imprisoned by the Devils who claimed them- whom they serve, knowingly or unknowingly in life.

tonyxxx:
After knowingly creating us differently e.t.c. Thanks for sharing your opinion though.

GOD NEVER MADE US HUMAN DIFFERENTLY: WE MADE OURSELVES- EVERY SECOND OF OUR EXISTENCE.

GOD being Creator of Adam does not mean that HE created all of us. He created our TWO ANCESTORS. That is all.

Everybody was given an imprint of The Commands of God to our species, at birth.

We all chose which parts of It to obey, ignore, or disobey. God can be blamed for nothing.

This is proven by TOTAL RECALL Disciplines, capable of enabling recovery of memories as far back as Conception, if we want to go there.

It is an essential part of DIANETICS, the foundation of SCIENTOLOGY, which is based on the application of the Principles of two largely ignored Bible Chapters:

. LEVITICUS 11:1-47.
. MATTHEW 18:1-35.


tonyxxx:
If you criticise the Babylonians for worshipping Marduk and sacrificing little kid's, what do you say about prophet Elijah that was so egotistic he conjured up a bear to kill a dozen little children,whose only crime was just being naughty like kids are prone to?

EVEN SMALL CHILDREN KNOW THAT THAT NEVER HAPPENED TO ELIJAH!

You continually show your stupidity, foolishness, delusionality, and ignorance, blaspheming God and His Holy Prophets, without fear of Him, nor His Righteous Judgment, which you will never escape.

You don't even bother to learn THE LAW OF GOD, before accusing God and His Servants.

CHILDREN OF YISRAEL WERE NOT NAUGHTY.

Those people were not like us.

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God
is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command
thee this day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them
diligently unto thy children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou
sittest in thine house,
and when thou
walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind Them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write Them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

EVERY CHILD OF YISRAEL WAS RAISED THIS WAY.

If they were not raised this way, then they were not YISRAEL.

. NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any Soul Sin
through ignorance,
then he shall bring a she goat
of the first year
for a Sin Offering.
28. And the Priest shall
make an Atonement
for the Soul that
Sinneth Ignorantly,
when he Sinneth by Ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement for him;
and it shall be forgiven him.
29. "Ye shall have One Law
for him that Sinneth
through Ignorance,
both for him that is born
among the Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger
that sojourneth
among them.
30. "But the Soul
that doeth ought presumptuously,
whether he be
born in the land,
or a Stranger,
the same Reproacheth
The LORD;
and that Soul shall be cut off
from among his people.
31. "Because he hath despised
The Word of The LORD,
and hath broken His Commandment,
that Soul shall
utterly be cut off;
his Iniquity shall be
upon him."

THE IGBOS ARE ISRAELITE DESCENDANTS, BUT USUALLY NOT ISRAELITES- BECAUSE THEY NEVER DID THE BAR/BAT MITZVAH DEDICATION.

. LEVITICUS 19:32-37.

32. Thou shalt rise up
before the hoary head,
and honour the face
of the old man,
and fear thy God:
I (am) The LORD.
33. "And if a stranger
sojourn with thee in your land,
ye shall not vex him.
34. " (But) the stranger
that dwelleth with you
shall be unto you
as one born among you,
and thou shalt love him as thyself;
for ye were strangers
in the land of Egypt:
I (am) The LORD your God.
35. "Ye shall do
no unrighteousness in Judgment,
in meteyard, in weight,
or in measure.
36. "Just balances,
just weights,
a just ephah,
and a just hin,
shall ye have:
I (am) The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the land of Egypt.
37.Therefore shall ye
observe all My Statutes,
and all My Judgments,
and do them:
I am The LORD."

THE BRATS WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW OF GOD: THE SENTENCE FOR THAT IS SUMMARY EJECTION FROM THE ISRAELITE COVENANT.

There is NO ATONEMENT for DELIBERATE Sins.

They had despised THE WORD of The God of YISRAEL.

. 1st KINGS 18:7-13.

7. And as Obadiah
was in the way,
behold, Elijah met him:
and he knew him,
and fell on his face,
and said,

"Art thou that my lord Elijah?"

8. And he answered him,

"I am:
go, tell thy lord,

'BEHOLD,
ELIJAH IS HERE.' "


9. And he said,

"What have I Sinned,
that thou wouldest
deliver thy servant
into the hand of Ahab,
to slay me?
10. "As The LORD
thy God liveth,
there is no nation or kingdom,
whither my lord hath not
sent to seek thee:
and when they said,

'HE IS NOT THERE;'

he took an oath
of the kingdom and nation,
that they found thee not.
11. "And now thou sayest,

'GO, TELL THY LORD,

"BEHOLD, ELIJAH
IS HERE." '


12. "And it shall
come to pass,
as soon as I am gone
from thee,
that the Spirit of The LORD
shall carry thee
whither I know not;
and so when I come
and tell Ahab,
and he cannot find thee,
he shall slay me:
but I thy servant
fear The LORD
from my youth."

13. "Was it not told my lord
what I did when Jezebel
slew the Prophets of The LORD,
how I hid an hundred men
of The LORD'S Prophets
by fifty in a cave,
and fed them
with bread and water?"

FOOLS LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT THIS PROPHET, SO I MUST TRY TO POUND ELIJAH 101 INTO THAT ACCIDENT YOU CALL YOUR HEAD.

It has been so traumatized and abused, that I expect to make little or no impression.

ELIJAH was the SOLE SURVIVING PROPHET of a MASSACRE that took place SOLELY BECAUSE they never executed THE LAW before the brats grew up.

. 2nd KINGS 2:23-25.

23. And he went up
from thence
unto Bethel:
and as he was
going up by the way,
there came forth
little children
out of the city,
and mocked him,
and said unto him,

"Go up, thou bald head;
go up, thou bald head."

24. And he turned back,
and looked on them,
and cursed them
in the Name of The LORD.
And there came forth
two she bears out of the wood,
and tare forty and two children
of them.
25. And he went from thence
to mount Carmel,
and from thence
he returned to Samaria.

ELISHA WAS HIS SUCCESSOR, AND HAD NO TIME FOR THAT S(*Bleep!*)IT!

THE PRAYERS OF THE PROPHETS KEEP TRAGEDIES LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING.

Elisha simply stopped protecting the ingrates.

tonyxxx:
What do you say about the countless murder & genocide that was carried out by the Israelites on the order of their God like the one in 1st Samuel 15:1? Or how he promised them a land already occupied by other people,to be taken by war & utmost violence? You might not understand the import until it happens to you.

. 1st [b][u]Samuel 15:1-3.

SAMUEL also said unto Saul,

"The LORD sent me
to anoint thee to be king
over his people,
over Israel:
now therefore hearken
thou unto The Voice
of the Words of The LORD.
2. "Thus Saith The LORD
of Hosts,

'I REMEMBER THAT
WHICH AMALEK
DID TO ISRAEL,
HOW HE LAID WAIT
FOR HIM IN THE WAY,
WHEN HE CAME UP
FROM EGYPT.
3. 'NOW GO
AND SMITE AMALEK,
AND UTTERLY DESTROY
ALL THAT THEY HAVE,
AND SPARE THEM NOT;
BUT SLAY BOTH
MAN AND WOMAN,
INFANT AND SUCKLING,
OX AND SHEEP,
CAMEL AND ASS.' "

IF YOU HAD ONLY LEARNED TO READ, AND FIND OUT ANSWERS FOR YOURSELF, YOU COULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE, YOU COULD HAVE WISDOM.

The AMALEKITES were people who attacked refugees escaping from Slavery.

.[/color[ DEUTERONOMY 25:13-19.

13. Thou shalt not
have in thy bag
divers weights,
a great and a small.
14. Thou shalt not have
in thine house
divers measures,
a great and a small.
15. But thou shalt have
a perfect and just weight,
a perfect and just measure
shalt thou have:
that thy days may be
lengthened in the Land
which The LORD thy God
giveth thee.
16. For all that do such things,
and all that do unrighteously,
are an Abomination
unto The LORD thy God.
17. Remember what Amalek
did unto thee by the Way,
when ye were come forth
out of Egypt;
18. How he met thee
by the way,
and smote the hindmost
of thee,
even all that were feeble
behind thee,
when thou wast
faint and weary;
and he Feared not God.
19. Therefore it shall be,
when The LORD thy God
hath given thee rest
from all thine Enemies
round about,
in the Land
which The LORD thy God
giveth thee for an inheritance
to possess It,
that thou shalt blot out
the remembrance of Amalek
from under Heaven;
thou shalt not forget it.

ANYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT YISRAEL KNOWS THIS.

It is to be expected that a fool like you would side with them, against the People of God, and God.

[quote author=tonyxxx post=79289551]i know u're from the Yoruba extraction so for illustration purposes,let's imagine kibuka for example,an East African God. Let's imagine him promising the entire land of the Yoruba race to his chosen people with specific orders for them to take it by total annahilation. Would you in your right sense's think of such an hiterto unknown God to be just and fair?[/quote[

http://www.mythencyclopedia.com/Iz-Le/Kibuka.html

This is a stupid analogy, as KIBUKA was a puny god, of little or no authority.

He couldn't even take out one village?

YAHWEH GOD BROKE EGYPT![/i]

He has PROVEN Himself to be GOD: THE CREATOR beyond all reasonable doubt.

All Advanced Spiritual Minds know Divine Power when they see It. Everybody in that region knew that they were facing THE SUPREME BEING.

Only foolish people do not know the Servants of God when they see them.

[color=silver].
LEVITICUS 18:1-19:2.

AND The LORD
Spake unto Moses,
Saying,

2. "Speak unto
the Children of Israel,
and say unto them,

'I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD.
3. 'AFTER THE DOINGS
OF THE LAND OF EGYPT,
WHEREIN YE DWELT,
SHALL YE NOT DO:
AND AFTER THE DOINGS
OF THE LAND OF CANAAN,
WHITHER I BRING YOU,
SHALL YE NOT DO:
NEITHER SHALL YE
WALK IN THEIR ORDINANCES.
4. 'YE SHALL DO
MY JUDGMENTS,
AND KEEP MINE ORDINANCES,
TO WALK THEREIN:
I AM THE LORD YOUR GOD.
5. 'YE SHALL THEREFORE
KEEP MY STATUTES,
AND MY JUDGMENTS:
WHICH IF A MAN DO,
HE SHALL LIVE IN THEM:
I AM THE LORD.'

6. "None of you
shall approach to any
that is near of kin to him,
to uncover their unclothedness:
I am The LORD.
7. "The unclothedness
of thy father,
or the unclothedness
of thy mother,
shalt thou not uncover:
she is thy mother;
thou shalt not
uncover her unclothedness.
8. "The unclothedness
of thy father's wife
shalt thou not uncover:
it is thy father's unclothedness.
9. "The unclothedness
of thy sister,
the daughter of thy father,
or daughter of thy mother, whether she be
born at home,
or born abroad,
even their unclothedness
thou shalt not uncover.
10. "The unclothedness
of thy son's daughter,
or of thy daughter's daughter,
even their unclothedness
thou shalt not uncover:
for theirs is
thine own unclothedness.
11. "The unclothedness
of thy father's wife's daughter, begotten of thy father,
she is thy sister,
thou shalt not
uncover her unclothedness.
12. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy father's sister:
she is thy father's
near kinswoman.
13. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy mother's sister:
for she is thy mother's
near kinswoman.
14. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy father's brother,
thou shalt not
approach to his wife:
she is thine aunt.
15. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy daughter-in-law:
she is thy son's wife;
thou shalt not
uncover her unclothedness.
16. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of thy brother's wife:
it is thy brother's unclothedness.
17. "Thou shalt not
uncover the unclothedness
of a woman
and her daughter,
neither shalt thou
take her son's daughter,
or her daughter's daughter,
to uncover her unclothedness;
for they are
her near kinswomen:
it is wickedness.
18. "Neither shalt thou
take a wife to her sister,
to vex her,
to uncover her unclothedness,
beside the other
in her life time.
19. "Also thou shalt not
approach unto a woman
to uncover her unclothedness,
as long as she is put apart
for her uncleanness.
20. "Moreover thou
shalt not lie carnally
with thy neighbour's wife,
to defile thyself with her.
21. "And thou shalt not
let any of thy seed
pass through The Fire
to Molech,
neither shalt thou profane
The Name of thy God:
I am The LORD.
22. "Thou shalt not
lie with mankind,
as with womankind:
it is abomination.
23. "Neither shalt thou
lie with any beast
to defile thyself therewith:
neither shall any woman
stand before a beast
to lie down thereto:
it is confusion.
24. "Defile not ye yourselves
in any of these things:
for in all these
the nations are defiled
which I cast out before you:
25. "And the land is defiled:
therefore I do Visit
the Iniquity thereof upon it,
and the land itself vomiteth
out her inhabitants.
26. "Ye shall therefore
keep my Statutes
and my Judgments,
and shall not commit
any of these Abominations;
neither any of your own nation,
nor any stranger
that sojourneth among you:
27. [For all these abominations
have the men of the land done,
which were before you,
and the land is defiled;]
28. "That the land spue not
you out also,
when ye defile it,
as it spued out the nations
that were before you.
29. "For whosoever
shall commit
any of these Abominations,
even the souls
that commit them
shall be cut off
from among their people.
30. "Therefore shall ye
keep mine ordinance,
that ye commit not any one
of these Abominable customs,
which were committed
before you,
and that ye defile not
yourselves therein:
I am The LORD your God."

AND The LORD Spake
unto Moses,
Saying,

2. "Speak unto all
the Congregation of
the Children of Israel,
and say unto them,

'YE SHALL BE HOLY:
FOR I THE LORD YOUR GOD
AM HOLY.' "


[b]GOD: THE CREATOR SAYS:

" IF YOU DO ANY OF THIS
ON MY EARTH,
YOU FORFEIT THE RIGHT,
TO GO OWN A COUNTRY!"
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by oaroloye(m): 3:19am On Jun 14
tonyxxx:
Another question for you is how can he claim to be the creator of all of us and yet support only a tiny tribe?

WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID LIKE THIS?

You made up the lie that YAHWEH GOD claimed to be the Creator of all of us.

Where has He ever said that?

Having invented an irrational LIE against God, you then claimed that YOUR LIE makes GOD wicked and unreasonable.

If GOD is creating people to break His Commandments, would He not be wicked and stupid? What would be the point of Commanding people to Repent?

It does not matter what He Commands, people always do what they like.

God is selecting those who make the Right Choices, and rejecting those who make the wrong choices.

You are pretending that GOD made you a fool and a blasphemer. He did not; you did that to yourself.

. MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts
of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom
of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon
is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN
INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE
I CAME OUT;'


and when he is come, he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and they enter in
and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

IT WAS YOUR DUTY TO SUBMIT TO THE GOSPEL LORD YESHUA PREACHED.

Obviously, you abandoned Lord Yeshua's Teachings for that of a fellow fool, and then blamed Lord Yeshua for what you knew very well were not his Teachings- being too weak-minded to Assume Responsibility for your own failings, you became a Host to many Devils.

tonyxxx:
since he's the creator it stands to reason that he could have simply made us in whatever way he Desires,so what ever flaw we experience are ultimately the flaws of his very own design. hence they are his flaws!

IT DOES NOT STAND TO REASON.

This is a Level 8 UNIVERSE.

CHOICE of GOOD over EVIL must be CHOSEN, being ABOVE LEVEL 8 Spirituality.

It requires LEVEL 7 Spirit Energy.

That means it must be ACHIEVED DELIBERATELY.

tonyxxx:

What an informed being would have done is to fix the flaws instead of blaming the product.
Now back to the issues of the serpent being the evil one.
NUMBERS 21:8,9
THE LORD SAID TO MOSES "MAKE A SERPENT AND MOUNT IT ON A POLE. WHEN ANYONE WHO IS BITTEN LOOKS AT IT,HE WILL LIVE"
MOSES MADE A BRONZE SERPENT AND MOUNTED IT ON A POLE. IF ANYONE WAS BITTEN LOOKED AT THE BRONZE SERPENT HE WOULD RECOVER.

THERE IS A TYPE OF HEALING THAT IS RECEIVED BY PERFORMING AN ACTION THE HEALER COMMANDS.

This cannot be a Regular-type Action.

Lord Yeshua Healed a paralyzed man by telling him to pick up his mat, and go.

Which should have been impossible, because he was paralyzed. He told a Blind man to go wash clay off his eyelids to get Healed.

He told the ten lepers to go and see a Priest.

The Spiritual Vibrations of the Master dominate those of their Slaves.

God's Vibrations were imposed upon Moses, which were imposed upon the ISRAELITES who obeyed his Command to DO AS THEY WERE TOLD- even though they DIDN'T like it.

tonyxxx:
Now how does an evil serpent goes from being a cursed deciever to an image of healing and restoration? All from the mouth of the very same God that cursed him in the first place. (There's quite a lot of insight I could share on this but I fear your fanatical one sided view would hamper your ability to see from a different perspective)

YOU HAVE NO "INSIGHTS- ONLY DELUSIONS.

Your delusions will never Heal anyone.

It was just a Brass Snake on a pole: SOMETHING YOU DON'T SEE EVERY DAY/SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT THIS SEE, ANY DAY.

It did its job.

About seven Centuries later, some idiots started worshipping it (calling it NEHUSHTAN,) and it had to be destroyed by king HEZEKIAH.

tonyxxx:
MATTHEW 10:16 I AM SENDING YOU OUT LIKE SHEEP AMONG WOLVES. THEREFORE BE WISE AS A SERPENT & INNOCENT AS A DOVE.

I don't waste my time on fake Bibles, that were created to support fake Churches.


tonyxxx:
my question is this,if wisdom or knowledge is such a bad thing like the old testament God implied in Genesis,how come his only begotten son can be seen encouraging it in the verse above?

"IMPLICATIONS" ARE YOUR IMAGINATION, NOT SCRIPTURAL TEACHING.

If Adam wanted The Knowledge of Good and Evil, they should have simply asked God to give It to them.

Instead, they behaved like this was the Last and only Source in Existence.

You fools tell lies about what The Bible says, then you ask us to explain why The Bible is foolish, whereas It never said what you say It said, and all of the foolishness is in you alone.

I quoted several Scriptures that teach specifically that Wisdom and Knowledge are good.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:7.

7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is the Beginning of Wisdom:
and the Knowledge of the holy
is Understanding.

GOD NEVER SAID ANYWHERE THAT WISDOM OR KNOWLEDGE WERE EVIL.

Then you invented something called a " FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE," which was never mentioned in the Scripture, and then talked nonsense about Technology and Medicine- which Adam never exhibited in any account of them, then try to replace Scriptural Truth with your delusional fantasy.

OF COURSE I am going to use derogatory terms to refer to you!

You're an idiot, who cannot even read, but has to take things away from The Word of God, so that you can add your own imagination, to make God look wicked and foolish!

. GENESIS 2:16-17.

16. And The LORD God
Commanded the Man,
Saying,

“Of every Tree of The Garden
thou mayest freely eat:
17. "But of The Tree of
The Knowledge
of
Good and Evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the Day
that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die."

WHERE DID GOD FORBID WISDOM OR KNOWLEDGE?

Show us the place!

tonyxxx:
In conclusion i end with the words of proverbs 18:15 AN INTELLIGENT HEART ACQUIRES KNOWLEDGE AND THE EARS OF THE WISE SEEKS KNOWLEDGE. And James 3:17
BUT THE WISDOM FROM ABOVE IS FIRST PURE,THEN PEACEABLE, GENTLE, OPEN TO REASON, FULL OF MERCY AND GOOD FRUITS,IMPARTIAL AND SINCERE.
Sadly I cannot say the same for everything uve said so far. Am sure that a discerning mind would be able see between the lines from what we've both said so far. Shalom

I DO NOT RECOGNIZE YACUB AS A LEGITIMATE MESSENGER OF GOD, NOR A SERVANT OF LORD YESHUA.

He has no authority to teach Lord Yeshua's Church!

. MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN Spake Jesus
to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,

2. Saying,

"The scribes
and the Pharisees
sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever
they bid you observe,
that observe and do;
but do not ye
after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind
heavy burdens
and grievous to be borne,
and lay them
on men's shoulders;
but they themselves
will not move them
with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works
they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders
of their garments,
6. "And love the Uppermost Rooms at feasts,
and the Chief Seats
in the Synagogues,
7. "And greetings
in the markets,
and to be called of men,
'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called 'Rabbi:'
for one is your Master,
even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father upon the Earth:
for one is your Father,
Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye
called masters:
for one is your Master,
even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you
shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall
exalt himself
shall be abased;
and he that shall
humble himself
shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye shut up
The Kingdom of Heaven
against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them
that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence
make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive
The Greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye compass Sea and Land
to make one proselyte,
and when he is made,
ye make him
twofold more
The Child of Hell
than yourselves."

HE EARLIER CALLED FOR, (AND GOT,) A BAN ON GENTILE CHRISTIANS BEING TAUGHT THE LAW OF MOSES.

. ACTS 15:1-21.

AND certain men
which came down from Judaea
taught the Brethren,
and said,

“EXCEPT YE BE CIRCUMCISED
AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES,
YE CANNOT BE SAVED.”


2. When therefore Paul and Barnabas
had no small dissension
and disputation with them,
they determined
that Paul and Barnabas,
and certain other of them,
should go up to Jerusalem
unto the Apostles and Elders
about this question.
3. And being brought
on their way
by the Church,
they passed through
Phenice and Samaria,
declaring the Conversion
of the Gentiles:
and they caused great joy
unto all the Brethren.
4. And when they were
come to Jerusalem,
they were received of the Church,
and of the Apostles and Elders,
and they declared all things
that God had done with them.
5. But there rose up certain of the sect
of the Pharisees which Believed,
saying,

"THAT IT WAS NEEDFUL
TO CIRCUMCISE THEM,
AND TO COMMAND THEM
TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES."


6. And the Apostles and Elders came together
for to consider of this matter.
7. And when there had been much disputing,
Peter rose up,
and said unto them,

“Men and Brethren,
ye know how that
a good while ago
God made choice among us,
that the Gentiles by my mouth
should hear the Word of The Gospel,
and Believe.
8. And God,
which knoweth the hearts,
bare them witness,
giving them The Holy Ghost,
even as he did unto us;
9. “And put no difference
between us and them,
purifying their hearts by Faith.
10. "Now therefore
why tempt ye God,
to put a yoke
upon the neck
of the Disciples,
which neither
our fathers nor we
were able to bear?"

11. “But we believe that
through The Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ
we shall be Saved,
even as they.”

12. Then all the multitude
kept silence,
and gave audience
to Barnabas and Paul,
declaring what
miracles and wonders
God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
13. And after they had held their peace,
James answered, saying,

"Men and Brethren,
hearken unto me:
14. "Simeon hath
declared how God
at the first did
visit the Gentiles,
to take out of them
a people for His Name.
15." And to this agree
the Words of the Prophets;
as it is written,

16. 'AFTER THIS
I WILL RETURN,
AND WILL BUILD AGAIN
THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID,
WHICH IS FALLEN DOWN;
AND I WILL BUILD AGAIN
THE RUINS THEREOF,
AND I WILL SET IT UP:
17. 'THAT THE RESIDUE
OF MEN
MIGHT SEEK AFTER THE LORD,
AND ALL THE GENTILES,
UPON WHOM MY NAME IS CALLED,
SAITH THE LORD,
WHO DOETH ALL THESE THINGS.'


18. "Known unto God
are all His Works
from The Beginning
of the World.
19. "Wherefore my sentence is,
that we trouble not them,
which from among
the Gentiles
are turned to God:
20. "But that we write
unto them,
that they abstain from pollutions of idols
and from fornication,
and from things strangled,
and from blood.
21. "For Moses of Old Time hath in every city
them that preach him,
being read
in the synagogues
every Sabbath Day."

THE JUDAEANS WHO PREACHED THAT GENTILE. CHRISTIANS HAD TO BE CIRCUMCIZED AND KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES WERE TELLING THE TRUTH.

The Disciples Paul and YACUB were LYING, in order to deliberately destroy The Gentiles.

You notice how I back up my Teachings with HARD FACTS, and not imaginary delusional fantasy, like you?

. GENESIS 17:9-14.

9. And God Said
unto Abraham,

"Thou shalt keep
My Covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee
in their Generations.
10. "This is My Covenant,
Which ye shall keep,
between Me and you
and thy seed after thee;

'EVERY MAN CHILD
AMONG YOU
SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.'

11. "And ye shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin;
and it shall be
a Token of The Covenant
betwixt me and you.
12. "And he that is
eight days old
shall be circumcised
among you,
every man child in your Generations,
he that is born in the house,
or bought with money of any stranger,
which is not of thy seed.
13. "He that is born
in thy house,
and he that is bought
with thy money,
must needs be circumcised:
and My Covenant
shall be in your flesh
for an Everlasting Covenant.
14. "And the uncircumcised
man child
whose flesh of his foreskin
is not circumcised,
that soul shall be
cut off from his people;
he hath broken
My Covenant."

THE HEBREW CHRISTIANS ALL KNEW THAT THEY WERE DESTROYING THE GENTILE CHRISTIANS, BY FORBIDDING THEM CIRCUMCISION AND THE LAW OF MOSES.

Even YACUB recognized that he had no Right to make himself as Master of The Church.

. JAMES 3:1.

MY BRETHREN,
be not many masters,
knowing that we
shall receive
The Greater Condemnation.

THE DISCIPLES WITHHELD THE ACTUAL TEACHINGS OF LORD YESHUA, UNTIL CEPHAS AND PAUL BOTH DIED.

It was presumed that graduates of a Master were allowed and expected to make up their own Commandments.

No one who wasn't there knew that Lord Yeshua had forbidden his Disciples from doing that.

The penalty for teaching Lord Yeshua's Teachings was DEATH.

YACUB OPPOSED HIS BROTHER YESHUA'S GOSPEL FROM THE BEGINNING.

Nothing he says can be trusted.

. PROVERBS 18:15.

15. The heart of the prudent
getteth Knowledge;
and the ear of the Wise
seeketh Knowledge.

THE SCRIPTURE CONDEMNS YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE NEITHER PRUDENT, NOR INTELLIGENT, NOR WISE.

The Fear of The LORD is The Beginning of Wisdom and The Beginning of Knowledge.

YOU CALLED GOD A LIAR.

Therefore you do not fear God, and can never be Wise, and can never have Knowledge.

. [b]JAMES 3:13-18.


13. Who is a wise man
and endued with Knowledge
among you?
Let him shew out
of a Good Conversation
his works with
Meekness of Wisdom.
14. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife
in your hearts,
glory not,
and lie not against The Truth.
15. This Wisdom descendeth
not from above,
but is earthly, sensual,
devilish.
16. For where envying
and strife is,
there is confusion
and every Evil Work.
17. But the Wisdom
that is from above
is first pure,
then peaceable, gentle,
and easy to be intreated,
full of Mercy and Good Fruits, without partiality,
and without Hypocrisy.
18. And the Fruit
of Righteousness is
sown in Peace of them
that make Peace.

NONE OF THIS CRAP MEANS ANYTHING.

Neither Lord Yeshua, nor any other Prophet followed these Man-made Teachings, so, why should I?

What will be my Reward, if I should follow YACUB?

What does he Promise people who follow him?

Notice that NO ONE IN THE EPISTLES PROMISES ANYTHING for following THEM- except in ACTS OF THE APOSTLES, and THE BOOK OF REVELATION.

Those Promises are quickly proven BOGUS!

YACUB has been accused of being PHARISEE: his Teachings support that notion.

He covertly condemns Lord Yeshua, whom the Pharisees surely accused of such negative traits.

Where was Yacub's "MERCY," in telling GENTILE CHRISTIANS to go to the Synagogues- which banned the HEBREW Christians from entering, if they wanted to hear The Law of Moses preached?
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 10:30am On Jun 15
oaroloye:
MISHIGAS!

YAHWEH GOD CREATED THE HUMAN RACE FOR ONE SPECIFIC REASON.

. GENESIS 1:26-31.

26. And God Said,

"Let us make Man in Our Image,
after Our Likeness:
and let them have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over the Cattle,
and over all the Earth,
and over every creeping thing
that creepeth upon the Earth."

27. So God created Man
in His Own Image,
in The Image of God created He him;
male and female created He them.
28. And God Blessed them,
and God Said unto them,

"Be fruitful, and multiply,
and replenish the Earth,
and subdue It:
and have Dominion
over the Fish of the Sea,
and over the Fowl of the Air,
and over every Living Thing
that moveth upon the Earth."

29. And God Said,

"Behold, I have given you
every herb bearing seed,
which is upon
the Face of all the Earth,
and every tree,
in the which is the fruit
of a tree yielding seed;
to you it shall be for meat.
30. And to every beast of the Earth,
and to every fowl of the air,
and to every thing
that creepeth upon the Earth,
wherein there is life,
I have given
every green herb for meat:"

and it was so.
31. And God saw every thing
that He had made,
and, behold, it was Very Good.
And the evening and the morning
were the sixth day.

ANY ADULT WHO DOES NOT KNOW THIS, AND ANY CHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS DID NOT TEACH THEM THIS HAVE NO RIGHT TO LIVE.

. NUMBERS 14:26-35.

26. And The LORD Spake
unto Moses and unto Aaron,
Saying,

27. "How long shall I bear
with this Evil Congregation,
which murmur against Me?
I have heard the murmurings
of the Children of Israel,
which they murmur
against Me.
28. "Say unto them,

[b]'AS TRULY AS I LIVE,
SAITH THE LORD,
AS YE HAVE SPOKEN IN MINE EARS,
SO WILL I DO TO YOU:
29. 'YOUR CARCASES SHALL FALL
IN THIS WILDERNESS;
AND ALL THAT WERE
NUMBERED OF YOU,
ACCORDING TO YOUR WHOLE NUMBER,
FROM TWENTY YEARS OLD
AND UPWARD,
WHICH HAVE MURMURED
AGAINST ME,
30. 'DOUBTLESS YE SHALL NOT
COME INTO THE LAND,
CONCERNING WHICH I SWARE
TO MAKE YOU DWELL THEREIN,
SAVE CALEB THE SON OF JEPHUNNEH,
AND JOSHUA THE SON OF NUN.
31. 'BUT YOUR LITTLE ONES,
WHICH YE SAID SHOULD BE A PREY,
THEM WILL I BRING IN,
AND THEY SHALL KNOW
THE LAND WHICH YE HAVE DESPISED.
32. 'BUT AS FOR YOU,
YOUR CARCASES,
THEY SHALL FALL IN THIS WILDERNESS.
33. 'AND YOUR CHILDREN
SHALL WANDER IN THE WILDERNESS
FORTY YEARS,
AND BEAR YOUR WHOREDOMS,
UNTIL YOUR CARCASES BE WASTED
IN THE WILDERNESS.
34. 'AFTER THE NUMBER OF THE DAYS
IN WHICH YE SEARCHED THE LAND,
EVEN FORTY DAYS,
EACH DAY FOR A YEAR,
SHALL YE BEAR YOUR INIQUITIES,
EVEN FORTY YEARS,
AND YE SHALL KNOW
MY BREACH OF PROMISE.
35. 'I THE LORD HAVE SAID,

"I WILL SURELY DO IT UNTO
ALL THIS EVIL CONGREGATION,
THAT ARE GATHERED TOGETHER
AGAINST ME:
IN THIS WILDERNESS
THEY SHALL BE CONSUMED,
AND THERE THEY SHALL DIE." ' "
[/b]



I TOLD YOU BEFORE THAT YOU ARE A FOOL.



. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:7.

7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is the Beginning of Wisdom:
and the Knowledge of the holy
is Understanding.

INSTEAD OF HUMBLY ACCEPTING THE FACT, AND REPENTING, IN ORDER TO BEGIN TO BE WISE, YOU INSTEAD BLASPHEMED FURTHER, INVENTING A SCRIPTURAL EVENT THAT NEVER HAPPENED.

. LEVITICUS 19:16-18.

16. "Thou shalt not go up and down
as a Talebearer among thy people:
neither shalt thou stand against
the Blood of thy Neighbour:
I am The LORD.
17. "Thou shalt not Hate thy Brother
in thine heart:
thou shalt in any wise
rebuke thy Neighbour,
and not suffer Sin upon him.
18. "Thou shalt not Avenge,
nor bear any Grudge
against the Children of thy people,
but thou shalt Love thy Neighbour
as thyself:
I am The LORD."

. MATTHEW 18:15-20.

15. "Moreover if thy Brother
shall trespass against thee,
go and tell him his fault
between thee and him alone:
if he shall hear thee,
thou hast gained thy Brother.
16. "But if he will not hear thee,
then take with thee one or two more,

'THAT IN THE MOUTH
OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES
EVERY WORD
MAY BE ESTABLISHED.'


17. "And if he shall neglect to hear them,
tell it unto the Church:
but if he neglect to hear the Church,
let him be unto thee
as an Heathen man and a Publican.
18. "Verily I Say unto you,

'WHATSOEVER YE SHALL
BIND ON EARTH
SHALL BE BOUND IN HEAVEN:
AND WHATSOEVER YE SHALL
LOOSE ON EARTH
SHALL BE LOOSED IN HEAVEN.'


19. "Again I Say unto you,

'THAT IF TWO OF YOU
SHALL AGREE ON EARTH
AS TOUCHING ANY THING
THAT THEY SHALL ASK,
IT SHALL BE DONE FOR THEM
OF MY FATHER
WHICH IS IN HEAVEN.'


20. "For where two or three
are gathered together in my Name,
there am I in the midst of them."

YOU LIED WHEN YOU SAID THAT LORD YESHUA TAUGHT "TOLERANCE."

Otherwise, you would have shown us any of his Teachings to that effect.



THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW FOOLISH AND DISRESPECTFUL OF YOUR ELDER, WHO HAS BEEN STUDYING THE BIBLE SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, ARE.

If I tell you that The Bible contains "THE MAIN COLLECTION OF SCRIPTURAL WRITINGS ABOUT GOD," why would you be so stupid as to not only think, but even declare publicly, that that statement is an "ASSUMPTION?"

How could I possibly know that it is The Bible that is the main repository of authentic Writings about YAHWEH GOD OF YISRAEL?

What sort of EXPERIENCES of INFORMATION, and SPIRITUAL EVENTS could I have been exposed to, before forming such an "OPINION?"

b]INSTEAD OF HUMBLY ACCEPTING THE FACT, AND REPENTING, IN ORDER TO BEGIN TO BE WISE, YOU INSTEAD BLASPHEMED FURTHER, INVENTING A SCRIPTURAL EVENT THAT NEVER HAPPENED.[/b
you sir should be a comedian... Firstly you assumed me to be a sinner for simply using my God given intelligence to question the nature of our reality and to scrutinise the words found in the holy Bible, which by the way was initially called the "helios biblios" (sun-book) which on it's own is a story for another day. You admonish me to repent so I can be wise (even though the relationship between repentance and wisdom is yet to be seen). Well I do not need the forgiveness of your Sinai mountain god, instead he should be the one to seek for the forgiveness of the human race for the unspeakable number of atrocities he committed in your bible. For a higher being who supposedly should have known better & who is widely regarded as an ominipotent,ominiscient & ominipresent entity & yet he couldn't forsee the meddling of the devil in his perfect little garden,he couldn't forsee Eve & Adam eating from the tree of knowledge & was so surprised and enraged when he saw them clothed with leaves.
b]ANY ADULT WHO DOES NOT KNOW THIS, AND ANY CHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS DID NOT TEACH THEM THIS HAVE NO RIGHT TO LIVE.[/b]
The similarities between you and the one you claim to serve is quite evident in your ignorant allusion, since according to your statement people who have no idea of what was written in the pages of a religion that account's for only 36% of the world population does not have the right to live. That's a display of utter stupidity and if the level of your ignorance could be weighed,it would be heavier than a black hole.
b]YOU LIED WHEN YOU SAID THAT LORD YESHUA TAUGHT "TOLERANCE."[/b]
If your Matthew 18:21-22 dosent illustrates Jesus teaching on tolerance for you,then nothing else will.
THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF HOW FOOLISH AND DISRESPECTFUL OF YOUR ELDER, WHO HAS BEEN STUDYING THE BIBLE SINCE BEFORE YOU WERE BORN, ARE.[/b]
Lol, you very much remind me the temple priests in Mathew 21:23-32,who had studied the scriptures for all their long lives & yet were disgraced by a 30 something year old Christ. verse 31 specially applies to you. In reality the age spent studying the bible does not guarantee a high level of understanding. Take the case of the elderly members of the temple Sanhedrin who were comfounded by the wisdom coming out of a 12 old Jesus in the temple in Luke 2:46,47. Take the case of a young Joseph in the old testament,who could interpret the dreams of pharoah that the oldest wisest spiritual people in the land couldn't even fathom. The way you presume yourself to be my elder based on your age & the age you spent studying the Bible is quite comical. Even if you were a hundred year old spiritual leader of a worldwide church, you still would not qualify to be regarded as my elder, for the ones I call my elders & spiritual mentors are not of this world. In fact the mere notion of a man like you heading a spiritual movement can be likened to a case of the blind leading the blind.

If I tell you that The Bible contains "THE MAIN COLLECTION OF SCRIPTURAL WRITINGS ABOUT GOD," why would you be so stupid as to not only think, but even declare publicly, that that statement is an "ASSUMPTION?"
Lol,if you had any iota of intelligence at all,you would have realized that in a single statement you have discredited the entirety of every other religion and their holy scriptures,save christainity. Ask yourself, would a Muslim,Hinduist, Taoist,a follower of Buddha,or religious people involved in Shintoism, Zoroastrianism,jainism,sikhism e.t.c agree with your uninformed assumption? Together their numbers are more than the 2.1 billion follower's of Christianity. So once again tell me how the holy Bible qualifies to be the main collection of scriptural writings about God? Excerpt u're dumb enough to think that THE TRUE ETERNAL SOURCE OF ALL CREATION, LIGHT,LIFE, THE UNIVERSE, MULTIVERSE AND ALL THAT IS IN IT AND EVER WOULD BE is a God of only one religion that is not as big as a spec of dust compared to the Grand scale of his created reality. (For all your ranting and curses aimed towards what you call the oyinbo people,it beats my imagination that u're an astute follower of a God and religion created by them and brought to your doorstep by missionaries who came to rape & exploit your continent in the name of colonisation)
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 1:11pm On Jun 15
oaroloye:



WHY ARE YOU SO STUPID LIKE THIS?

You made up the lie that YAHWEH GOD claimed to be the Creator of all of us.

Where has He ever said that?

Having invented an irrational LIE against God, you then claimed that YOUR LIE makes GOD wicked and unreasonable.

If GOD is creating people to break His Commandments, would He not be wicked and stupid? What would be the point of Commanding people to Repent?

It does not matter what He Commands, people always do what they like.

God is selecting those who make the Right Choices, and rejecting those who make the wrong choices.

You are pretending that GOD made you a fool and a blasphemer. He did not; you did that to yourself.

. MATTHEW 12:41-45.

41. "The men of Nineveh
shall rise in Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
because they repented
at the Preaching of Jonas;
and, behold,
a Greater than Jonas is here.
42. "The Queen of the South
shall rise up in the Judgment
with this Generation,
and shall Condemn It:
for she came from
The Uttermost Parts
of the Earth
to hear The Wisdom
of Solomon;
and, behold,
a Greater than Solomon
is here.
43. "When the unclean spirit
is gone out of a man,
he walketh through dry places,
seeking rest,
and findeth none.
44. "Then he saith,

'I WILL RETURN
INTO MY HOUSE
FROM WHENCE
I CAME OUT;'


and when he is come, he findeth it empty,
swept, and garnished.
45. "Then goeth he,
and taketh with himself
seven other spirits more wicked than himself,
and they enter in
and dwell there:
and the last state of that man
is worse than the first.
Even so shall it be also
unto this Wicked Generation."

IT WAS YOUR DUTY TO SUBMIT TO THE GOSPEL LORD YESHUA PREACHED.

Obviously, you abandoned Lord Yeshua's Teachings for that of a fellow fool, and then blamed Lord Yeshua for what you knew very well were not his Teachings- being too weak-minded to Assume Responsibility for your own failings, you became a Host to many Devils.



IT DOES NOT STAND TO REASON.

This is a Level 8 UNIVERSE.

CHOICE of GOOD over EVIL must be CHOSEN, being ABOVE LEVEL 8 Spirituality.

It requires LEVEL 7 Spirit Energy.

That means it must be ACHIEVED DELIBERATELY.



THERE IS A TYPE OF HEALING THAT IS RECEIVED BY PERFORMING AN ACTION THE HEALER COMMANDS.

This cannot be a Regular-type Action.

Lord Yeshua Healed a paralyzed man by telling him to pick up his mat, and go.

Which should have been impossible, because he was paralyzed. He told a Blind man to go wash clay off his eyelids to get Healed.

He told the ten lepers to go and see a Priest.

The Spiritual Vibrations of the Master dominate those of their Slaves.

God's Vibrations were imposed upon Moses, which were imposed upon the ISRAELITES who obeyed his Command to DO AS THEY WERE TOLD- even though they DIDN'T like it.



YOU HAVE NO "INSIGHTS- ONLY DELUSIONS.

Your delusions will never Heal anyone.

It was just a Brass Snake on a pole: SOMETHING YOU DON'T SEE EVERY DAY/SOMETHING YOU DON'T WANT THIS SEE, ANY DAY.

It did its job.

About seven Centuries later, some idiots started worshipping it (calling it NEHUSHTAN,) and it had to be destroyed by king HEZEKIAH.



I don't waste my time on fake Bibles, that were created to support fake Churches.




"IMPLICATIONS" ARE YOUR IMAGINATION, NOT SCRIPTURAL TEACHING.

If Adam wanted The Knowledge of Good and Evil, they should have simply asked God to give It to them.

Instead, they behaved like this was the Last and only Source in Existence.

You fools tell lies about what The Bible says, then you ask us to explain why The Bible is foolish, whereas It never said what you say It said, and all of the foolishness is in you alone.

I quoted several Scriptures that teach specifically that Wisdom and Knowledge are good.

. JOB 28:28.

28. "And unto Man He Said,

'BEHOLD, THE FEAR OF THE LORD,
THAT IS WISDOM;
AND TO DEPART FROM EVIL,
IS UNDERSTANDING.' "


. PSALM 111:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Wisdom:
a Good Understanding
have all they
that do His Commandments:
His Praise endureth for ever.

. PROVERBS 1:7.

7. The Fear of The LORD
is The Beginning of Knowledge:
but Fools despise
Wisdom and Instruction.

. PROVERBS 9:10.

10. The Fear of The LORD
is the Beginning of Wisdom:
and the Knowledge of the holy
is Understanding.

GOD NEVER SAID ANYWHERE THAT WISDOM OR KNOWLEDGE WERE EVIL.

Then you invented something called a " FRUIT OF KNOWLEDGE," which was never mentioned in the Scripture, and then talked nonsense about Technology and Medicine- which Adam never exhibited in any account of them, then try to replace Scriptural Truth with your delusional fantasy.

OF COURSE I am going to use derogatory terms to refer to you!

You're an idiot, who cannot even read, but has to take things away from The Word of God, so that you can add your own imagination, to make God look wicked and foolish!

. GENESIS 2:16-17.

16. And The LORD God
Commanded the Man,
Saying,

“Of every Tree of The Garden
thou mayest freely eat:
17. "But of The Tree of
The Knowledge
of
Good and Evil,
thou shalt not eat of it:
for in the Day
that thou eatest thereof
thou shalt surely die."

WHERE DID GOD FORBID WISDOM OR KNOWLEDGE?

Show us the place!



I DO NOT RECOGNIZE YACUB AS A LEGITIMATE MESSENGER OF GOD, NOR A SERVANT OF LORD YESHUA.

He has no authority to teach Lord Yeshua's Church!

. MATTHEW 23:1-15.

THEN Spake Jesus
to the multitude,
and to his Disciples,

2. Saying,

"The scribes
and the Pharisees
sit in Moses' seat:
3. "All therefore whatsoever
they bid you observe,
that observe and do;
but do not ye
after their works:
for they say, and do not.
4. "For they bind
heavy burdens
and grievous to be borne,
and lay them
on men's shoulders;
but they themselves
will not move them
with one of their fingers.
5. "But all their works
they do for to be seen of men:
they make broad their phylacteries,
and enlarge the borders
of their garments,
6. "And love the Uppermost Rooms at feasts,
and the Chief Seats
in the Synagogues,
7. "And greetings
in the markets,
and to be called of men,
'Rabbi, Rabbi.'
8. "But be not ye called 'Rabbi:'
for one is your Master,
even Christ;
and all ye are Brethren.
9. "And call no man your father upon the Earth:
for one is your Father,
Which is in Heaven.
10. "Neither be ye
called masters:
for one is your Master,
even Christ.
11. "But he that is greatest among you
shall be your servant.
12. "And whosoever shall
exalt himself
shall be abased;
and he that shall
humble himself
shall be exalted.
13. "But woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye shut up
The Kingdom of Heaven
against men:
for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them
that are entering to go in.
14. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
For ye devour widows' houses,
and for a pretence
make long prayer:
therefore ye shall receive
The Greater Damnation.
15. "Woe unto you,
scribes and Pharisees,
Hypocrites!
for ye compass Sea and Land
to make one proselyte,
and when he is made,
ye make him
twofold more
The Child of Hell
than yourselves."

HE EARLIER CALLED FOR, (AND GOT,) A BAN ON GENTILE CHRISTIANS BEING TAUGHT THE LAW OF MOSES.

. ACTS 15:1-21.

AND certain men
which came down from Judaea
taught the Brethren,
and said,

“EXCEPT YE BE CIRCUMCISED
AFTER THE MANNER OF MOSES,
YE CANNOT BE SAVED.”


2. When therefore Paul and Barnabas
had no small dissension
and disputation with them,
they determined
that Paul and Barnabas,
and certain other of them,
should go up to Jerusalem
unto the Apostles and Elders
about this question.
3. And being brought
on their way
by the Church,
they passed through
Phenice and Samaria,
declaring the Conversion
of the Gentiles:
and they caused great joy
unto all the Brethren.
4. And when they were
come to Jerusalem,
they were received of the Church,
and of the Apostles and Elders,
and they declared all things
that God had done with them.
5. But there rose up certain of the sect
of the Pharisees which Believed,
saying,

"THAT IT WAS NEEDFUL
TO CIRCUMCISE THEM,
AND TO COMMAND THEM
TO KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES."


6. And the Apostles and Elders came together
for to consider of this matter.
7. And when there had been much disputing,
Peter rose up,
and said unto them,

“Men and Brethren,
ye know how that
a good while ago
God made choice among us,
that the Gentiles by my mouth
should hear the Word of The Gospel,
and Believe.
8. And God,
which knoweth the hearts,
bare them witness,
giving them The Holy Ghost,
even as he did unto us;
9. “And put no difference
between us and them,
purifying their hearts by Faith.
10. "Now therefore
why tempt ye God,
to put a yoke
upon the neck
of the Disciples,
which neither
our fathers nor we
were able to bear?"

11. “But we believe that
through The Grace of the Lord Jesus Christ
we shall be Saved,
even as they.”

12. Then all the multitude
kept silence,
and gave audience
to Barnabas and Paul,
declaring what
miracles and wonders
God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.
13. And after they had held their peace,
James answered, saying,

"Men and Brethren,
hearken unto me:
14. "Simeon hath
declared how God
at the first did
visit the Gentiles,
to take out of them
a people for His Name.
15." And to this agree
the Words of the Prophets;
as it is written,

16. 'AFTER THIS
I WILL RETURN,
AND WILL BUILD AGAIN
THE TABERNACLE OF DAVID,
WHICH IS FALLEN DOWN;
AND I WILL BUILD AGAIN
THE RUINS THEREOF,
AND I WILL SET IT UP:
17. 'THAT THE RESIDUE
OF MEN
MIGHT SEEK AFTER THE LORD,
AND ALL THE GENTILES,
UPON WHOM MY NAME IS CALLED,
SAITH THE LORD,
WHO DOETH ALL THESE THINGS.'


18. "Known unto God
are all His Works
from The Beginning
of the World.
19. "Wherefore my sentence is,
that we trouble not them,
which from among
the Gentiles
are turned to God:
20. "But that we write
unto them,
that they abstain from pollutions of idols
and from fornication,
and from things strangled,
and from blood.
21. "For Moses of Old Time hath in every city
them that preach him,
being read
in the synagogues
every Sabbath Day."

THE JUDAEANS WHO PREACHED THAT GENTILE. CHRISTIANS HAD TO BE CIRCUMCIZED AND KEEP THE LAW OF MOSES WERE TELLING THE TRUTH.

The Disciples Paul and YACUB were LYING, in order to deliberately destroy The Gentiles.

You notice how I back up my Teachings with HARD FACTS, and not imaginary delusional fantasy, like you?

. GENESIS 17:9-14.

9. And God Said
unto Abraham,

"Thou shalt keep
My Covenant therefore,
thou, and thy seed after thee
in their Generations.
10. "This is My Covenant,
Which ye shall keep,
between Me and you
and thy seed after thee;

'EVERY MAN CHILD
AMONG YOU
SHALL BE CIRCUMCISED.'

11. "And ye shall circumcise
the flesh of your foreskin;
and it shall be
a Token of The Covenant
betwixt me and you.
12. "And he that is
eight days old
shall be circumcised
among you,
every man child in your Generations,
he that is born in the house,
or bought with money of any stranger,
which is not of thy seed.
13. "He that is born
in thy house,
and he that is bought
with thy money,
must needs be circumcised:
and My Covenant
shall be in your flesh
for an Everlasting Covenant.
14. "And the uncircumcised
man child
whose flesh of his foreskin
is not circumcised,
that soul shall be
cut off from his people;
he hath broken
My Covenant."

THE HEBREW CHRISTIANS ALL KNEW THAT THEY WERE DESTROYING THE GENTILE CHRISTIANS, BY FORBIDDING THEM CIRCUMCISION AND THE LAW OF MOSES.

Even YACUB recognized that he had no Right to make himself as Master of The Church.

. JAMES 3:1.

MY BRETHREN,
be not many masters,
knowing that we
shall receive
The Greater Condemnation.

THE DISCIPLES WITHHELD THE ACTUAL TEACHINGS OF LORD YESHUA, UNTIL CEPHAS AND PAUL BOTH DIED.

It was presumed that graduates of a Master were allowed and expected to make up their own Commandments.

No one who wasn't there knew that Lord Yeshua had forbidden his Disciples from doing that.

The penalty for teaching Lord Yeshua's Teachings was DEATH.

YACUB OPPOSED HIS BROTHER YESHUA'S GOSPEL FROM THE BEGINNING.

Nothing he says can be trusted.

. PROVERBS 18:15.

15. The heart of the prudent
getteth Knowledge;
and the ear of the Wise
seeketh Knowledge.

THE SCRIPTURE CONDEMNS YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE NEITHER PRUDENT, NOR INTELLIGENT, NOR WISE.

The Fear of The LORD is The Beginning of Wisdom and The Beginning of Knowledge.

YOU CALLED GOD A LIAR.

Therefore you do not fear God, and can never be Wise, and can never have Knowledge.

. [b]JAMES 3:13-18.


13. Who is a wise man
and endued with Knowledge
among you?
Let him shew out
of a Good Conversation
his works with
Meekness of Wisdom.
14. But if ye have
bitter envying and strife
in your hearts,
glory not,
and lie not against The Truth.
15. This Wisdom descendeth
not from above,
but is earthly, sensual,
devilish.
16. For where envying
and strife is,
there is confusion
and every Evil Work.
17. But the Wisdom
that is from above
is first pure,
then peaceable, gentle,
and easy to be intreated,
full of Mercy and Good Fruits, without partiality,
and without Hypocrisy.
18. And the Fruit
of Righteousness is
sown in Peace of them
that make Peace.

NONE OF THIS CRAP MEANS ANYTHING.

Neither Lord Yeshua, nor any other Prophet followed these Man-made Teachings, so, why should I?

What will be my Reward, if I should follow YACUB?

What does he Promise people who follow him?

Notice that NO ONE IN THE EPISTLES PROMISES ANYTHING for following THEM- except in ACTS OF THE APOSTLES, and THE BOOK OF REVELATION.

Those Promises are quickly proven BOGUS!

YACUB has been accused of being PHARISEE: his Teachings support that notion.

He covertly condemns Lord Yeshua, whom the Pharisees surely accused of such negative traits.

Where was Yacub's "MERCY," in telling GENTILE CHRISTIANS to go to the Synagogues- which banned the HEBREW Christians from entering, if they wanted to hear The Law of Moses preached?

b]IT WAS YOUR DUTY TO SUBMIT TO THE GOSPEL LORD YESHUA PREACHED.[/b]

If I were to be a follower of Christ's teachings,it would be my choice and not my duty, based on how his teachings resonates with my inner man & based on his leadership by example.

YOU CALLED GOD A LIAR.
I never did, only showed you some verses in Genesis chapter 3 which portrayed him as such. Hence your holy Bible potrayed him as one and not me who merely pointed it out.

]NONE OF THIS CRAP MEANS ANYTHING.[/b]
of course,one should never expect the sunlight to mean anything other than a dull red hue to a blind man.

b]THE SCRIPTURE CONDEMNS YOU, BECAUSE YOU ARE NEITHER PRUDENT, NOR INTELLIGENT, NOR WISE.
All I see is the condemnation of a limited myopic individual who presumes himself to be the mouthpiece of the scriptures that was written by ancient men. Of course i don't expect you to know better,else you would have come to the conclusion that your condemnation means nothing to a being like me.

YACUB OPPOSED HIS BROTHER YESHUA'S GOSPEL FROM THE BEGINNING.
Another case of your beloved bible contradicting itself and the teachings contained thererof or perhaps the fault lies in your limited understanding

b]THE DISCIPLES WITHHELD THE ACTUAL TEACHINGS OF LORD YESHUA, UNTIL CEPHAS AND PAUL BOTH DIED.[/b]
sadly the majority of the true teachings of yeshua Ben Yosef whom you call Jesus (which interestingly has greek roots, which raises the question,how does the son of a Hebrew God ends up with a name with Greek origins) cannot be found in the holy Bible & the little that can be found is mostly misunderstood. The Romans who were led by the hidden powers that be, who are the true founder's of christainity as it's know today,(as yeshua was never a Christain since the religion was founded after his death) were so scared of how liberating the knowledge that yeshua truly taught would be to the enslaved humanity. Hence they decided to hide,dilute the message & deify the messenger. His message was simple & it mirrows what the serpent said in Genesis 3 that ye shall be like Gods,yeshua confirmed the notion with his very own words in John 10:34. even your book of psalms confirms it in psalms 82:6. But instead of claiming your heritage by following his example on how to attain enlightenment, liberation (godhood), they decieved you into worshiping the messenger instead of assimilating the message. in john 14:12 he even explicitly said that they who believes in him (true teachings) would do even greater things.
Re: What If God Was The Evil One? by tonyxxx(m): 2:39pm On Jun 15
oaroloye:


THIS IS AS STUPID AND IGNORANT AS IT GETS!

You think that only ONE RACE was destroyed in The Great Flood? You are that clueless?

There were beings who could be considered SUPERHUMANS- THE NEPHILIM HYBRIDS with Heavenly Humanoids. People who had sex with Beasts, and tried to produce Monsters that way- possibly succeeding, through Witchcraft and Sorcery. There were Giants whose sizes belied the Laws of Physics.

GOD SAID that these people were perverting His Creation, and He would not have it-O!

He got rid of all of them, and saved OUR ANCESTORS, the only Pure Humans left, and YOU DARE CRITICIZE HIS ACTION?

What sort of INSANE IDIOT are you?



MORE STUPIDITY!

Why should He not show FAVORITISM toward THE ONLY RACE that kept His Commandments?

. GENESIS 17:1-7.

AND when Abram was
ninety years old and nine,
The LORD appeared to Abram,
and Said unto him,

"I am The Almighty God;
walk before Me,
and be thou perfect.
2. "And I will make My Covenant
between Me and thee,
and will multiply thee exceedingly."

3. And Abram fell on his face:
and God Talked with him,
Saying,

4. "As for Me,
behold, My Covenant
is with thee,
and thou shalt be
a Father of many Nations.
5. "Neither shall thy name
any more be called "Abram,"
but thy name shall be "Abraham;"
for a father of many nations
have I made thee.
6. "And I will make thee
Exceeding Fruitful,
and I will make
nations of thee,
and kings shall
come out of thee.
7. "And I will establish
My Covenant
between Me and thee
and thy seed after thee
in their Generations
for an Everlasting Covenant,
to be a God unto thee,
and to thy seed after thee."

YOU ARE REALLY SO FOOLISH, THAT YOU THINK THAT GOD SHOULD BLESS THE WICKED, WHO ABUSE THE FREE-WILL OPTION, EQUALLY, WITH THOSE WHO LOVE HIM, SERVE HIM, AND WILLINGLY DO GOOD IN THE WORLD?

Can a person really be that stupid?

You obviously are too young to even understand BUSINESS, let alone own one.

Would you run your Business by paying beggars the same as your employees, who work for you?

You must think that God is very foolish, for not doing things your way, whereas, you fail to show how your way would work at all!

. GENESIS 18:17-33.

17. And The LORD said,
"Shall I hide from Abraham
that thing which I do;
18. "Seeing that Abraham
shall surely become
a great and mighty nation,
and all the nations of the Earth
shall be Blessed in him?
19. "For I know him,
that he will command his children
and his household after him,
and they shall keep The Way of The LORD,
to do Justice and Judgment;
that The LORD may bring upon Abraham
that which He hath spoken of him.

ONLY THE ISRAELITES WERE REQUIRED TO FOLLOW YAHWEH GOD'S COMMANDMENTS AND PRECEPTS, WHETHER THEY WANTED TO OR NOT.

God therefore Punished them for their Sins on the Earth, and Rewarded them for their Righteousnesses.

Other nations were allowed to enjoy the Devils they preferred before God- and find out how poorly they had chosen upon their Death.

When most of them would be destroyed immediately. The few that escaped that Fate- through being able to exhibit TOTAL RECALL at Death, would be tortured or otherwise, imprisoned by the Devils who claimed them- whom they serve, knowingly or unknowingly in life.



GOD NEVER MADE US HUMAN DIFFERENTLY: WE MADE OURSELVES- EVERY SECOND OF OUR EXISTENCE.

GOD being Creator of Adam does not mean that HE created all of us. He created our TWO ANCESTORS. That is all.

Everybody was given an imprint of The Commands of God to our species, at birth.

We all chose which parts of It to obey, ignore, or disobey. God can be blamed for nothing.

This is proven by TOTAL RECALL Disciplines, capable of enabling recovery of memories as far back as Conception, if we want to go there.

It is an essential part of DIANETICS, the foundation of SCIENTOLOGY, which is based on the application of the Principles of two largely ignored Bible Chapters:

. LEVITICUS 11:1-47.
. MATTHEW 18:1-35.




EVEN SMALL CHILDREN KNOW THAT THAT NEVER HAPPENED TO ELIJAH!

You continually show your stupidity, foolishness, delusionality, and ignorance, blaspheming God and His Holy Prophets, without fear of Him, nor His Righteous Judgment, which you will never escape.

You don't even bother to learn THE LAW OF GOD, before accusing God and His Servants.

CHILDREN OF YISRAEL WERE NOT NAUGHTY.

Those people were not like us.

. DEUTERONOMY 6:4-9.

4. Hear, O Israel:
The LORD our God
is one LORD:
5. And thou shalt love
The LORD thy God
with all thine Heart,
and with all thy Soul,
and with all thy might.
6. And these Words,
which I Command
thee this day,
shall be in thine heart:
7. And thou shalt teach Them
diligently unto thy children,
and shalt talk of Them
when thou
sittest in thine house,
and when thou
walkest by the way,
and when thou liest down,
and when thou risest up.
8. And thou shalt bind Them
for a sign upon thine hand,
and they shall be as frontlets
between thine eyes.
9. And thou shalt write Them
upon the posts of thy house,
and on thy gates.

EVERY CHILD OF YISRAEL WAS RAISED THIS WAY.

If they were not raised this way, then they were not YISRAEL.

. NUMBERS 15:27-31.

27. "And if any Soul Sin
through ignorance,
then he shall bring a she goat
of the first year
for a Sin Offering.
28. And the Priest shall
make an Atonement
for the Soul that
Sinneth Ignorantly,
when he Sinneth by Ignorance
before The LORD,
to make an Atonement for him;
and it shall be forgiven him.
29. "Ye shall have One Law
for him that Sinneth
through Ignorance,
both for him that is born
among the Children of Israel,
and for the Stranger
that sojourneth
among them.
30. "But the Soul
that doeth ought presumptuously,
whether he be
born in the land,
or a Stranger,
the same Reproacheth
The LORD;
and that Soul shall be cut off
from among his people.
31. "Because he hath despised
The Word of The LORD,
and hath broken His Commandment,
that Soul shall
utterly be cut off;
his Iniquity shall be
upon him."

THE IGBOS ARE ISRAELITE DESCENDANTS, BUT USUALLY NOT ISRAELITES- BECAUSE THEY NEVER DID THE BAR/BAT MITZVAH DEDICATION.

. LEVITICUS 19:32-37.

32. Thou shalt rise up
before the hoary head,
and honour the face
of the old man,
and fear thy God:
I (am) The LORD.
33. "And if a stranger
sojourn with thee in your land,
ye shall not vex him.
34. " (But) the stranger
that dwelleth with you
shall be unto you
as one born among you,
and thou shalt love him as thyself;
for ye were strangers
in the land of Egypt:
I (am) The LORD your God.
35. "Ye shall do
no unrighteousness in Judgment,
in meteyard, in weight,
or in measure.
36. "Just balances,
just weights,
a just ephah,
and a just hin,
shall ye have:
I (am) The LORD your God,
Which brought you
out of the land of Egypt.
37.Therefore shall ye
observe all My Statutes,
and all My Judgments,
and do them:
I am The LORD."

THE BRATS WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW OF GOD: THE SENTENCE FOR THAT IS SUMMARY EJECTION FROM THE ISRAELITE COVENANT.

There is NO ATONEMENT for DELIBERATE Sins.

They had despised THE WORD of The God of YISRAEL.

. 1st KINGS 18:7-13.

7. And as Obadiah
was in the way,
behold, Elijah met him:
and he knew him,
and fell on his face,
and said,

"Art thou that my lord Elijah?"

8. And he answered him,

"I am:
go, tell thy lord,

'BEHOLD,
ELIJAH IS HERE.' "


9. And he said,

"What have I Sinned,
that thou wouldest
deliver thy servant
into the hand of Ahab,
to slay me?
10. "As The LORD
thy God liveth,
there is no nation or kingdom,
whither my lord hath not
sent to seek thee:
and when they said,

'HE IS NOT THERE;'

he took an oath
of the kingdom and nation,
that they found thee not.
11. "And now thou sayest,

'GO, TELL THY LORD,

"BEHOLD, ELIJAH
IS HERE." '


12. "And it shall
come to pass,
as soon as I am gone
from thee,
that the Spirit of The LORD
shall carry thee
whither I know not;
and so when I come
and tell Ahab,
and he cannot find thee,
he shall slay me:
but I thy servant
fear The LORD
from my youth."

13. "Was it not told my lord
what I did when Jezebel
slew the Prophets of The LORD,
how I hid an hundred men
of The LORD'S Prophets
by fifty in a cave,
and fed them
with bread and water?"

FOOLS LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW THE FIRST THING ABOUT THIS PROPHET, SO I MUST TRY TO POUND ELIJAH 101 INTO THAT ACCIDENT YOU CALL YOUR HEAD.

It has been so traumatized and abused, that I expect to make little or no impression.

ELIJAH was the SOLE SURVIVING PROPHET of a MASSACRE that took place SOLELY BECAUSE they never executed THE LAW before the brats grew up.

. 2nd KINGS 2:23-25.

23. And he went up
from thence
unto Bethel:
and as he was
going up by the way,
there came forth
little children
out of the city,
and mocked him,
and said unto him,

"Go up, thou bald head;
go up, thou bald head."

24. And he turned back,
and looked on them,
and cursed them
in the Name of The LORD.
And there came forth
two she bears out of the wood,
and tare forty and two children
of them.
25. And he went from thence
to mount Carmel,
and from thence
he returned to Samaria.

ELISHA WAS HIS SUCCESSOR, AND HAD NO TIME FOR THAT S(*Bleep!*)IT!

THE PRAYERS OF THE PROPHETS KEEP TRAGEDIES LIKE THAT FROM HAPPENING.

Elisha simply stopped protecting the ingrates.



. 1st [b][u]Samuel 15:1-3.

SAMUEL also said unto Saul,

"The LORD sent me
to anoint thee to be king
over his people,
over Israel:
now therefore hearken
thou unto The Voice
of the Words of The LORD.
2. "Thus Saith The LORD
of Hosts,

'I REMEMBER THAT
WHICH AMALEK
DID TO ISRAEL,
HOW HE LAID WAIT
FOR HIM IN THE WAY,
WHEN HE CAME UP
FROM EGYPT.
3. 'NOW GO
AND SMITE AMALEK,
AND UTTERLY DESTROY
ALL THAT THEY HAVE,
AND SPARE THEM NOT;
BUT SLAY BOTH
MAN AND WOMAN,
INFANT AND SUCKLING,
OX AND SHEEP,
CAMEL AND ASS.' "

IF YOU HAD ONLY LEARNED TO READ, AND FIND OUT ANSWERS FOR YOURSELF, YOU COULD HAVE KNOWLEDGE, YOU COULD HAVE WISDOM.

The AMALEKITES were people who attacked refugees escaping from Slavery.

[color=silver].[/color[ DEUTERONOMY 25:13-19.

13. Thou shalt not
have in thy bag
divers weights,
a great and a small.
14. Thou shalt not have
in thine house
divers measures,
a great and a small.
15. But thou shalt have
a perfect and just weight,
a perfect and just measure
shalt thou have:
that thy days may be
lengthened in the Land
which The LORD thy God
giveth thee.
16. For all that do such things,
and all that do unrighteously,
are an Abomination
unto The LORD thy God.
17. Remember what Amalek
did unto thee by the Way,
when ye were come forth
out of Egypt;
18. How he met thee
by the way,
and smote the hindmost
of thee,
even all that were feeble
behind thee,
when thou wast
faint and weary;
and he Feared not God.
19. Therefore it shall be,
when The LORD thy God
hath given thee rest
from all thine Enemies
round about,
in the Land
which The LORD thy God
giveth thee for an inheritance
to possess It,
that thou shalt blot out
the remembrance of Amalek
from under Heaven;
thou shalt not forget it.

ANYONE WHO KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT YISRAEL KNOWS THIS.

It is to be expected that a fool like you would side with them, against the People of God, and God.

b]THE BRATS WERE IN VIOLATION OF THE LAW OF GOD: THE SENTENCE FOR THAT IS SUMMARY EJECTION FROM THE ISRAELITE COVENANT.[/b

Am not surprised that you could refer to a tribe (igbo) who are predominantly Christains like you as brats. if you are not capable of seeing the light in fellow Christians like yourself, thinking yourself to be superior in all ramifications,then am absolutely sure that you are filled with nothing short of darkness of the greatest order. By your words you have proven yourself to be a small minded, tribalistic bigot with a mind more narrow than a single broomstick. (Christ taught about love, loving your neighbors as yourself, something ure not capable of). A more reason why it would be hard for our country to ever go forward, especially with self acclaimed elders like your displaying narrow mindedness. For in truth,beneath our skin,black,white,red,igbo, Yoruba, Egyptian,Greek,american, Muslim, Christian,Hindu, atheist or African traditional practitioner,we are all the same. The notion of separation only exists in the mind of the unenlightened.

b]GOD NEVER MADE US HUMAN DIFFERENTLY: WE MADE OURSELVES- EVERY SECOND OF OUR EXISTENCE.[/b]
GOD being Creator of Adam does not mean that HE created all of us. He created our TWO ANCESTORS. That is all.

So From your allusion above we should conclude that God only created Adam and Eve of the hebrew extraction. A quick question for you (who then is responsible for the creation of the black man like yourself,or the red Indian, the Arabs and everyother human who doesn't have hebrew genes flowing in their veins?) Or perhaps the devil did? or maybe we just materialised from thin air? For all your claims of reading the Bible from before I was born (another dumb assumption, since you have no idea about my age) YOU KNOW NOTHING!


ELIJAH was the SOLE SURVIVING PROPHET of a MASSACRE that took place SOLELY BECAUSE they never executed THE LAW before the brats grew up

A case of a child growing up to carry out the very same massacre that he barely escaped being a victim of as a child. Am sure he would have hated the experience which would have impacted negatively on his psyche, only for him to grow up and recreate the very same experience for countless other people. Hence he became the executioner of the very same sad and wicked events he so hated as a child. (Thanks for pointing that one out) reminds me of a movie I watched where some little female kid's whose mum was treated badly in her marital home by their mum's mother inlaw,hated the experience so much,only for them to grow up & allow the fear of that event to make them treat all their mother in-laws badly simply because they didn't want to endup being chased away like their mom. so in conclusion they hated one monster,so much they had no idea when the became a monster to others. That's what happens when you allow darkness to fester in your heart instead of practicing forgiveness.

b]THE IGBOS ARE ISRAELITE DESCENDANTS, BUT USUALLY NOT ISRAELITES- BECAUSE THEY NEVER DID THE BAR/BAT MITZVAH DEDICATION.[/b]

If there's any truth to that,then I would would consider them the lucky ones to have escaped the tyranny of the old testament mountain God. In conclusion, For an INTELLIGENT mind it's simple. if God wanted us to be obedient at all times,he would have simply made us so, being the creator,we as humans had no imput in our genetic coding and make up. But if he made us like we are,and gave us free will then it shouldn't be a problem if we excercise it,and if we were ever to go wrong,he can simply correct & guide us lovingly like the loving God Christ taught us about. ( The kind of father that forgave the prodigal son despite his many folies). Instead of threatening us with hell which for me is a classic act of a bully. Which brings me to my last point. The image painted by the fire and brimstone, tantrum throwing, earth meddling,easily angered God of the old testament,is a far contrast to the unconditionally loving, patient, eternal father in heaven,love thy neighbor as thy self God,as preached by christ in the new testament. so it's either the very same God changed from his erring ways along the line or both the old and new testament God's are two different entities in entirety... or perhaps man's opinion of God changed along the way. Especially considering the Bible stating that God is unchanging from everlasting to everlasting (the opinion of bible scholars on the last point would be highly appreciated)

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