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Ehs, I think you have more hope and faith in Nigeria than I do, and if that is the case, I salute you.

Thanks and other content of your post acknowledged.

Ileke-IdI:

Actually you could have, sweety. I just realized that I made a few grammatical errors . . .  typing with my phone, so am excused

If we start counting typos and grammatical errors on NL, who will remain standing. In any case you 've got nothing on Becomerich on that - and he doesn't give a hoot

Ileke-IdI:

So if it was taken in Abu, how much rest and peace of mind did this children get before traveling?  I'm pissed at the parents, how dare they let the children go?  Sigh.

I did write Abuja - meant to say Aba. The picture must have been taken in Aba.

tpiah:

you're boasting of the benefits you enjoy which many erstwhile citizens of the country itself DO NOT have access to?

i think by now you should know better.

pretty mindless posting.

For starters you shld know that was basically an analogy not boasting as you falsely claimed. I'm not 65 so how would i be accepting SS checks?

Secondly, the fact that some citizens of the US do not have access to some of the social safety nets has more to do with the fact that there is only so much the US can do. It still tries its best to provide medicaid for children and the very destitute, it still manages to provide to provide free public education to the very poor . . . what does Nigeria do? Why then does the govt expect anything in return?

Thank you for this - some people think they love Nigeria, but really keep digging her grave even deeper.

The U.S. tries to assimilate the lessons of any failure of in its system, and has a knowledge system that attempts to anticipate what might come next. Not my Nigeria, unless they can import it, we don't have it. Trouble is there is no wholesale way to import knowledge like hardware. Even if it were possible, we would still need to assimilate that knowledge.

davidylan:

pretty mindless posting.

For starters you shld know that was basically an analogy not boasting as you falsely claimed. I'm not 65 so how would i be accepting SS checks?

Secondly, the fact that some citizens of the US do not have access to some of the social safety nets has more to do with the fact that there is only so much the US can do. It still tries its best to provide medicaid for children and the very destitute, it still manages to provide to provide free public education to the very poor . . . what does Nigeria do? Why then does the govt expect anything in return?

koruji:

davidylan link=topic=523869.msg6859873#msg6859873 date=1285990424:

Good nite guys, got to go and nice talking to you-all

ehs:

Good nite guys, got to go and nice talking to you-all

Goodnight from here too.

davidylan:

pretty mindless posting.

For starters you shld know that was basically an analogy not boasting as you falsely claimed. I'm not 65 so how would i be accepting SS checks?

Secondly, the fact that some citizens of the US do not have access to some of the social safety nets has more to do with the fact that there is only so much the US can do. It still tries its best to provide medicaid for children and the very destitute, it still manages to provide to provide free public education to the very poor . . . what does Nigeria do? Why then does the govt expect anything in return?

nigeria gave you the certificate you used to apply for your much vaunted phd?

nigeria gave you the mouth you used to say you want to emigrate to a country where you receive all those benefits which even the bonafide citizens dont get?

and the legs wey you take waka there?

tpiah:

nigeria gave you the certificate you used to apply for your much vaunted phd?

nigeria gave you the mouth you used to say you want to emigrate to a country where you receive all those benefits which even the bonafide citizens dont get?

and the legs wey you take waka there?

oh dear. Responding to such folly is just a waste of time.
Nigeria gave me the legs i have? Yeah right . . .and they probably gave me my ears too.
And if paying through my nose to attend private schools is an example of what naija "gave me" . . . then thanks but no thanks.

Sorry i went through uni in naija on a scholarship from a Dutch oil company . . . nothing to do with naija.

I went through grad school 5 yrs here without paying a dime . . . all funded by the US government . . . does your own government do the same?

I think its best that those who have NO KNOWLEDGE of what they talk about keep quiet. It truly isnt by force to post.

^^whether you paid through your ears to attend private school in naija courtesy your parent's money, makes no difference.

yes, naija supplied you with everything you needed to move on to the next stage of your life.


sounds like something to me.

your ears, nose, brain, the fingers wey you dey take type nonsense on the computer and which you use to hold the pen when applying for more benefits overseas, were all supplied by naija.

if it pains you, well, too bad.

tpiah:

^^whether you paid through your ears to attend private school in naija courtesy your parent's money, makes no difference.

yes, naija supplied you with everything you needed to move on to the next stage of your life.


sounds like something to me.

your ears, nose, brain, the fingers wey you dey take type nonsense on the computer and which you use to hold the pen when applying for more benefits overseas, were all supplied by naija.

if it pains you, well, too bad.

absurd. Do these people stop to think about what they post? Naija supplied the kidneys that help me pee too? Even stateless folks have ears as well . . . God knows where they got theirs.

^^so were you stateless when you travelled abroad?

is that what you wrote on your student application?

tpiah:

^^so were you stateless when you travelled abroad?

is that what you wrote on your student application?

why shld you care? Find something else to whine about pls.

@tpiah
Give it up already. This inverted pyramid called Nigeria is about to fall on your head and you don't know it. Nigeria is gradually turning into Somalia before our very eyes - yet you see nothing wrong about arguing frivolities.

With the events of these past 2 days the die is cast - it cannot take much longer now. THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY ARE NOT HAPPY - simple as ABC.

Mark my words, unless someone with good sense & the means does what is right about this nation of ours, the 2011 elections will be a complete farce, and WILL lead to the disintegration of Nigeria a few years after. And I am not talking about military intervention here - that in itself will lead to even faster disintegration.

tpiah:

^^so were you stateless when you travelled abroad?

is that what you wrote on your student application?

So what's wrong with the pictures?



why is it any worst than this?






Some so called Nigerians are reacting like traumatized  African Americans/ Diaspora blacks .

Litmus:

So what's wrong with the pictures?



why is it any worst than this?

If I can just say from what I can see, the original shot was a photo -shoot, while this one is nothing but a shot taken due to presence of the press or something. In this example of photo you posted, it is not in anyway bad like the original one.

Whats bad about the original one ?


let's see, is the poster arguing that the women in the picture cant get publicity any other way than to pose with recently released children?

Litmus:

Whats bad about the original one ?

It was staged! You know, the women posed for the photo and they seem to be loving it, while the victims appeared unkempt, unwashed and just want to be home. Also, it is mentioned already about their state of mind. No one in the photo is comforting them etc. Get it?


In the one you posted, yes the women (I am assuming they are victims of some mishap) are clearly distress, but Bush is not posing with a matching handbag or man-bag and grinning for the camera.

Do you need me to still break it down further?

Litmus:




let's see, is the poster arguing that the women in the picture cant get publicity any other way than to pose with recently released children?

Say what?

Come on now, stay with me here. This is me breaking it down further. It is an embarrassment to see them wearing outfits and what not while the kids are more or less disinterested in taking photos. D

The adult posed for the photo and in I would go as far as to say they called the press in for the photo-shot. In other words, that little photo in the OP was staged while the one you posted wasn't.

Need further explanation?

ElRazur

It was staged! You know, the women posed for the photo and they seem to be loving it, while the victims appeared unkempt, unwashed and just want to be home. Also, it is mentioned already about their state of mind. No one in the photo is comforting them etc. Get it?

So if the women had jumped into the frame the minute the children were released, and photographers  captured the image you wouldn't be arguing  that the women are opportunist who couldn't even wait for the children to be taken into a building before trying to get photo opportunity

ElRazur
women posed for the photo and they seem to be loving it

I'd love it too to have safe and sound children back

Litmus:

So if the women had jumped into the frame the minute the children were released, and photographers  captured the image you wouldn't be arguing  that the women are opportunist who couldn't even wait for the children to be taken into a building before trying to get photo opportunity

You are talking about IF.

Do you have a point to make?


Let's go by you IF point of view. Assuming that was the case, then clearly it is even more shameful than previously thought! So photoshoot was more important than actually getting the kids to safety? They may be hungry, psychological damaged or scarred, need medical attention as they may have been severely dehydrated or at least in negative fluid balance. . . and you feel that was the right time to stop them and arrange them in a line while the women and the pot-belly guy but those silly things across their shoulder and for the camera man to compose the shot?


Come on now, be logical.


Next IF-point please.

Litmus:


I'd love it too to have safe and sound children back

Good for you. But in places where things work the way they are meant to be, the kids will be whisked to a private and secure location, they will then see a psychologist and their parents informed. Then they will ask who want the photo of their kids taken etc.

But I guess in your world, it makes more sense to subject them to more drama by doing a "quick" photoshoot as that is more important than anything else. Well done.


Next point.

Let's go by you IF point of view. Assuming that was the case, then clearly it is even more shameful than previously thought! So photoshoot was more important than actually getting the kids to safety? They may be hungry, psychological damaged or scarred, need medical attention as they may have been severely dehydrated or at least in negative fluid balance.    .     . and you feel that was the right time to stop them and arrange them in a line while the women and the pot-belly guy but those silly things across their shoulder and for the camera man to compose the shot?

So what benefit do you think the women were trying to gain from the photo?


If the incident was sufficiently troubling to the nation then it may be why they felt they needed a photo call so the nation can view the released  children.

Elrazur you really have time in your hands with this guy

Exactly. It was not taking photos of the kids per se - there was another photo taken with some of the kids in the crowd and there is nothing wrong with that - it was seeing this as some positive photo op that is the problem.

The adults draped themselves in national colors (who knows how much that is costing us as we speak) and posed with a great amount level of "contentment" on their faces - with a 3-year old kid that has just spent days in captivity still in the same clothes. Nobody had the head on their shoulders to even straighten up the kids' clothes. These kids have no shoes on!

How posing with traumatized kids that nobody has apparently attempted to take care of after their freedom represents a positive image to the world beats me. If this is the level of care a nation gives its young after 50 years of independence, then that nation is headed to the dustbin fast. The picture paints the stark contrast between the rulers and the ruled of our nation. We seem to just do the same things the same ways without question each day, each year, each decade 50 years on.

Would the governor start posing for pictures with his son or daughter if the latter fell in the same situation? May be he would, but that would show that Nigeria is even sicker that you can ever imagine.

ElRazur:

Say what?

Come on now, stay with me here. This is me breaking it down further. It is an embarrassment to see them wearing outfits and what not while the kids are more or less disinterested in taking photos. D

The adult posed for the photo and in I would go as far as to say they called the press in for the photo-shot. In other words, that little photo in the OP was staged while the one you posted wasn't.

Need further explanation?

Litmus:


So what benefit do you think the women were trying to gain from the photo?


If the incident was sufficiently troubling to the nation then it may be why they felt they needed a photo call so the nation can view the released  children.  

Since you have been missing the point, do you mind telling me what they may be trying to gain?


Let me help you here - Seen as the "first lady" (I believe one of them is the wife of a Governor) doing something humanitarian? Trying to gain more political votes or wanting to be perceived as doing something good? Those are just a few possible motivation I can think of.

You really have warped mindset I'm afraid.  The Kids and the Parents comes first. The state have little or no right over their photos (well, at least in places where there is proper law and order)

What happened to actually making an announcement on Tv/Radio instead of seeing the need to parade them infront of the camera while some woman (who probably have little or no career) steal the lime light?

The kids've only been out of the kidnappers' hands for a day. This picture was probably taken as soon as they after their release and might've been the only way through which officials could be seen with the children. Yeah its a bit unnecessary, but its like a custom, and it would've happened anywhere, I think.

Since you have been missing the point, do you mind telling me what they may be trying to gain?


Let me help you here - Seen as the "first lady" (I believe one of them is the wife of a Governor) doing something humanitarian? Trying to gain more political votes or wanting to be perceived as doing something good? Those are just a few possible motivation I can think of.

You really have warped mindset I'm afraid.  The Kids and the Parents comes first. The state have little or no right over their photos (well, at least in places where there is proper law and order)

What happened to actually making an announcement on Tv/Radio instead of seeing the need to parade them infront of the camera while some woman (who probably have little or no career) steal the lime light?

I don't see this in the context of exploitation, that view is excessively cynical, if you feel it is in bad taste,that's another argument. At best, media and PR in Nigeria is underdeveloped.





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Litmus:




I don't see this in the context of exploitation, that view is excessively cynical, if you feel it is in bad taste,that's another argument. At best, media and PR in Nigeria is underdeveloped.

Off course, you won't see anything wrong with it. Even let's assume it is a custom (Dont really think it is), it must be a wrong custom then to parade traumatised kids in front of camera after their ordeal. No?






Please look at the picture you posted and see the difference, the victim here is seen to be happy. Please point one kid in the photo to me that looks happy!

www.nairaland.com/attachments/328566_kidnapped15_jpgfd9781042a8511ddb36f647da1f6900e



Perhaps the photographer asked them to pose as they did .




Remember that in situations like these, photographers and news men will be present and as long as you are there (relevantly)you're going to get into some media  frame. Sure, if you're in the public eye, in whatever capacity,you can be accused of trying to gain publicity.

ElRazur:

It was staged! You know, the women posed for the photo and they seem to be loving it, while the victims appeared unkempt, unwashed and just want to be home. Also, it is mentioned already about their state of mind. No one in the photo is comforting them etc. Get it?


In the one you posted, yes the women (I am assuming they are victims of some mishap) are clearly distress, but Bush is not posing with a matching handbag or man-bag and grinning for the camera.

Do you need me to still break it down further?

May God bless you jo. Plz abeg, tell them.

And some people are so shameful. So you have to be in their shoes to feel sympathy? I first need to be kidnapped to know what the children are going through?

We all love the children and are thankful they are safe and sound.

It however remains to be determined how the image means that Nigerians are shameful people.

Litmus:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/328566_kidnapped15_jpgfd9781042a8511ddb36f647da1f6900e



Perhaps the photographer asked them to pose as they did .




Remember that in situations like these, photographers and news men will be present and as long as you are there you're going to get into some media  frame. Sure, if you're in the public eye, in whatever capacity,you can be accused of trying to gain publicity.

"Perhaps perhaps. . . " stop giving the shameful situation of this picture an excuse.

If one of your child was in that picture, would you have let them be a victim again? [A victim of pawn in an election game]. It's obvious that none of those vultures care about the children state of mind. They had the time to wear nice clothes, had the time to find those ugly banners. . .  but not enough time to wash and clean those children? Haba!