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Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Rossikk(m): 11:10pm On Jul 18, 2019
Mightyhaiz:
so na only Fulani dey rear cow..

99% yes.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Pearlqueen(f): 11:10pm On Jul 18, 2019
Rossikk:


Dude, if the herdsmen went on strike and stopped selling beef, that goat meat you say they eat in Akwa Ibom, will jump up in price by 1000% the next day due to meat scarcity. Same as other ''alternatives'' like fish.

You people don't understand economics.
And it is only beef that's meat in the market? The economics you're talking about is when there's no close substitute but in this case, there's no meat monopoly because there are many other meat sources.

Let the Fulanis go on the strike and see if hunger and extreme poverty won't ravage them. In this business, they're the top gainers.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Mightyhaiz: 11:14pm On Jul 18, 2019
Rossikk:


Dude, if the herdsmen went on strike and stopped selling beef, that goat meat you say they eat in Akwa Ibom, will jump up in price by 1000% the next day due to meat scarcity. Same as other ''alternatives'' like fish.

You people don't understand economics.
u reason like a toddler. Who do u think will suffer and starve to death when that happens? The ppl DAT will easily switch to other animal,fish,birds and even plant protein alternatives,or those whose sole occupation is rearing n selling cow

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Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Rossikk(m): 11:34pm On Jul 18, 2019
Pearlqueen:
And it is only beef that's meat in the market? The economics you're talking about is when there's no close substitute but in this case, there's no meat monopoly because there are many other meat sources.

Let the Fulanis go on the strike and see if hunger and extreme poverty won't ravage them. In this business, they're the top gainers.

There is NO close substitute for beef in Nigeria. if this were say England or the USA or something, where people eat a variety of meats in near equal measure, we could say yes. But in Nigeria, not less than 90% of the population rely on BEEF for their meat requirements in meals.

How many times have you been to a buka and they served you chicken? Or pork? Or even goat? Nigerians only eat those meats once in a while.

What they live on is cow meat.

If cow meat disappeared from the market, all those other meats will shoot up in price astronomically, and become extremely scarce. In fact their sellers will turn to millionaires. Why? Because there are simply not enough of such meats in the national supply chain to fill the demand left by the exit of beef. it would 200 million people fighting to buy what maybe 20 million folks were buying previously.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Pearlqueen(f): 11:40pm On Jul 18, 2019
Rossikk:


There is NO close substitute for beef in Nigeria. if this were say England or the USA or something, where people eat a variety of meats in near equal measure, we could say yes. But in Nigeria, not less than 90% of the population rely on BEEF for their meat requirements in meals.

How many times have you been to a buka and they gave you chicken? Or pork? Or even goat? Nigerians only eat those meats once in a while.

What they live on is cow meat.

If cow meat disappeared from the market, all those other meats will shoot up in price astronomically, and become extremely scarce. In fact their sellers will turn to millionaires.
Are you talking to who lives in Nigeria or to who doesn't? If you go to am eatery whether bukka or what have you, you order the kind of meat you want and you'll be served with it. There is meat variety, even most people prefer fish to beef. So, get your facts right and know what you're saying.

If beef becomes scarce, there are plenty plenty plenty alternative and mind you, it is not only the Fulanis who rear cows. They can't even try hoard beef because they will suffer for it.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Rossikk(m): 11:45pm On Jul 18, 2019
Mightyhaiz:
u reason like a toddler. Who do u think will suffer and starve to death when that happens? The ppl DAT will easily switch to other animal, fish, birds and even plant protein alternatives, or those whose sole occupation is rearing n selling cow


''Easily switch to''.

Economic illiterate. Have you ever heard of the term ''supply chain''? There is no supply chain in Nigeria capable of replacing that of the Fulani herdsmen in providing meat resources to the general population of Nigerians. To develop such a supply chain would take YEARS.

You are the sort who thinks that meat and fish and ''birds'' just appear in the market without any real commercial planning, strategy, or through any established supply chains.

How does one start to educate a person like you?
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Rossikk(m): 12:00am On Jul 19, 2019
Pearlqueen:
Are you talking to who lives in Nigeria or to who doesn't? If you go to am eatery whether bukka or what have you, you order the kind of meat you want and you'll be served with it. There is meat variety, even most people prefer fish to beef. So, get your facts right and know what you're saying.

If beef becomes scarce, there are plenty plenty plenty alternative and mind you, it is not only the Fulanis who rear cows. They can't even try hoard beef because they will suffer for it.

Kindly respond to the points I raised and not these irrelevancies.

I spoke about the link between removing beef from the market, and the accompanying RISE IN PRICE of the 'alternatives', caused by the scarcity of meat ensuing from the beef exit. That's where we are in this debate, not whether there are alternatives to beef or not. The question is, ''are the alternatives sufficient in quantity to replace the cow meat supplies for 200 million people?''

Do we have enough chicken and pork to replace beef? NO.

Can we afford to IMPORT those items in greater quantities to fill the gap? ABSOLUTELY NOT.

Here is a recent study of meat consumption in Nigeria, which confirms my point:

''This study was an application of the Linear Approximate Almost Ideal Demand System (LAAIDS) model on household aggregate meat demand in Nigeria. The data used was obtained from the World Bank’s Living Standards Measurement Study (LSMS) on households in Nigeria.
Previous research had studied demand only at a regional level but this study estimates meat demand at a national level. The results showed that beef was a necessity while goat, chicken and mutton were luxuries.''

https://tind-customer-agecon.s3.amazonaws.com/5dbf5f14-832d-40a5-b6bd-a7b047bdcabb?response-content-disposition=inline%3B%20filename%2A%3DUTF-8%27%27Household%2520Demand%2520for%2520Meat%2520in%2520Nigeria.pdf&response-content-type=application%2Fpdf&AWSAccessKeyId=AKIAXL7W7Q3XHXDVDQYS&Expires=1563493627&Signature=vJKfcmtLlltd9su8JEOUMaLuDNw%3D


So, saying that we can rely on the more expensive ''alternatives'' is like Maria Antoinette, the famous French queen who, when told that her people were starving for lack of bread, said ''let them eat cake!''
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Sofistcatdmoron: 3:44am On Jul 19, 2019
Rossikk:


STORY. This is full blown economic naivety.

The prices of these 'alternatives' will shoot up to astronomical heights if fulani beef exists the market.
That is Your mindset,
Anambra already has cattle ranches,,, u can a's well go home with ur cows
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by tsdarkside(m): 4:36am On Jul 19, 2019
mrvitalis:

Are we not partaking in International trade already? That phone u are using was produced hear right

Oh the dress u wear... The fan in ur room, the genarator

It's now meat we can't buy?

Are u really serious?

kiiiiikikikiki....

you mean all those okrika stuff....??

my phone is okrika....generator i dont have....air condition was a present....

you mean,you wan live on okrika food....??
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by tsdarkside(m): 5:28am On Jul 19, 2019
gbosaa:


Let’s be honest here. Is there any state in Nigeria without a sizeable portion of land for the cattle business...let’s forget the word Fulani for now? Like I said, I have seen for myself the areas allocated to them for their businesses.
I don’t think they need more land for their cattle. They have more than enough to build decent accommodation and other facilities and they make lots of money from there but still chose to live the way they live. Each one of them can be much better than the young business man at Alaba market but they still live in tents made with timbers and grasses or sleep rough under lorries. Cattle businesses are multi billion naira businesses. Those people can achieve whatever they want to achieve with the money that they make. Where’s the money going to? Have you ever asked yourself this? Do you know the number of cows being killed everyday in each state? As I’m typing this, restaurateurs are already collecting the meat chopped into bits and ready to start their cooking, butchers are on their way to start off their businesses. What do the Fulanis do with all these money?

These guys do not need anyone’s financial assistance. Is there something MACBAN and the government are hiding from us?....

There were clashes and lots of killings up north in kaduna etc...Nigerians were told that criminals were from other countries! Buhari said that. El Rufai paid some group of people ‘protection money’ to stop the killings. These people are known and could be approached. The killings never stopped. It continued in plateau state. Was there any attempt to rename towns there? There were killings in Kogi, Benue, Taraba, Nasarawa etc. What’s the problem with the Fulanis?

There have been security issues on our highways attributed to the Fulanis. Yes and it include kidnapping, robbery and murders. These are not rumours. Those were done by Fulanis. They have been some arrests made by either the police or the Nigerian Army...what later happened to these people?

There are various videos of Fulani men with AK47s, some of these weapons were in the colours of Nigerian police. How do they get these weapons?

People have every reason to be paranoid and the frustrations from the inaction or complicity from authorities might oneday plunge the country into a very dark and regrettable depths.

Herdsmen contribute significantly to the unrest through their destruction of farmland. The other issue is that of proliferation of weapons and insecurity. There seem to be another group of Fulani men involved here. They have been caught and paraded. This is the one that has got everyone talking. When people like Olu Falae start getting kidnapped and police can’t assist then there’s problem.

We are talking of annexing people’s lands in Plateau and renaming them, miyetti alla are talking tough but no one is making arrests, when the locals responded, IG of police declared that weapons must be surrendered.

Fed govts under Buhari has come up with RUGA! There was rumour of billions of naira payout to Fulanis. There were rumours of Fulanis ‘invited’ and given access to migrate into nooks and crannies of the country and now Buhari wants to give recognition to foreigners that he does not even know their numbers.

Oga Rossikk, can you not see a ‘pattern’ here?

Nigerians are being taken on a ride.

No one is beefing the Fulanis. It’s natural for people to react and it’s natural for people to want to protect themselves.
Current scenario is beyond meat. A man angry and frustrated about security isn’t worried about his source of protein.

interesting....where is the money they make.....??

meat is not cheap....

you would think most of them would me somehow rich....

hmmmm.... undecided undecided
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Perceptor(m): 6:12am On Jul 19, 2019
Rossikk:
It's slightly amusing watching folks doing all sorts of verbal somersaults to show they don't need Fulani meat. wink

Una no wan chop meat again! grin

See forming!! smiley

Yet today you can bet they'll tear shaki and pomo for lunch, and then return to Nairaland to type bullshiit.

Why don't we just respect ourselves, and realise that we must find a way to accommodate, and where required, pacify our Fulani brothers and sisters, let them do their cattle business, and let the nation simply be?

It is the encroaching Sahara which is driving them southwards, not a ''Fulanization agenda perpetrated by Buhari and his henchmnen'' as one Nairalander wrote, in an otherwise forgettable piece of comic relief.
You are absolutely right about you claim, most of the pple who are shouting "no to ruga" cant go a day without eating cow meat. Our pple down south here are weak willed especially we Yorubas, we neva want to go outside our comfort zone, we lack determination and that is why other ethnic groups are seeing us as been weak, in fact we have actually made ourselves weak and helpless and it is even getting worse as days go by. My pple here actually blieve that cattles can only be reared by fulanis alone, no yoruba can rear cattle. You will here pple saying "if you say fulanis shld go, can you or any of your family rear cattle. That is how weak we have becom and the consequence is what we are seeing now that a primite human of low intelligence can make a stupid claim and still be right.
The Igbos may be proud and annoying but they are strong and determinate. If other ethnic groups have such strong will as the igbos, we would have gone our separate ways for better.

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Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Acidosis(m): 7:49am On Jul 19, 2019
Rossikk:
All these people here that come in daily to condemn Fulani herdsmen, why don't you people put your mouth where your mouth is (excuse the pun) and BOYCOTT THEIR MEAT altogether?

I mean, you don't give a damn where or how they rear their cattle. You don't want them anywhere near you. You view the RUGA idea with contempt and utterly reject it.

But you cannot do without eating their meat on a daily basis. Beef, Shaki, Pomo, Brokoto, Oxtail, Roundabout, and so on. These things are a must for the average Nigerian meal.

It's a real dilemma and paradox.

Why don't we all just shun the Fulanis and their cattle and pray for our shaki and pomo to appear from heaven like manna?

I'm sure it will.


Some people don't eat Fulani meat. There is chicken, goat meat, turkey, cat fish, Titus and other kind of fish. We even have pig, and Nigeria got the biggest pig farm in the whole of West Africa (and one of the biggest consumer in Africa).


Keep on posting useless threads about Fulani meat. I should also tell you that those Herdsmen don't eat cow meat. They rare the animals, rape them, and sell them to you. On the side, they rare goats which they eat and feed their families.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by oyatz(m): 7:54am On Jul 19, 2019
OUR OIL alone is not what is sustaining the economy.
Our OIL is the largest source of income for the Government but NOT necessarily the sole determinants of our economy, that's why oil only account for a small percentage of our GDP.

1)Every economic activities (including cattle rearing) sustain the economy.
2) If every citizen stop producing what they produce and we all wait for OIL money,there will be chaos in the land.

For instance, let's take few items for illustration.

* All Cassava and Yams producers stop working. Nigerians will be forced to use money received from the sales of OIL to import these cassava and Yams at international prices.

* If All Timber, Cocoa, Palm oil decide to stop producing these items, the left over of the OIL money will be used to import all these products, again at international prices.

*If ALL Herdsmen stop producing, very little money will be left to import meat from abroad and this will be affordable by only about 5% of the population.

So with all other sectors of the economy shutting down leaving OIL, massive economic devastations will hit the Country with millions of the citizens leaving the country.

delugajackson:
We don't beg them for it, we purchase it with our hard earned money, it doesn't mean we depend on it.

The so called meat we consume can be always be obtained from other sources. And mind you, Fulanis aren't the only ones with the knowledge of rearing cows. And from the facts at hand, Fulani cow business is not what's running or sustaining the economy, OUR OIL from the SOUTH does! So please try to be reasonable with your submission, Mr. Fulani defender.

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Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by CodeTemplar: 8:24am On Jul 19, 2019
Rossikk:
All these people here that come in daily to condemn Fulani herdsmen, why don't you people put your mouth where your mouth is (excuse the pun) and BOYCOTT THEIR MEAT altogether?

I mean, you don't give a damn where or how they rear their cattle. You don't want them anywhere near you. You view the RUGA idea with contempt and utterly reject it.

But you cannot do without eating their meat on a daily basis. Beef, Shaki, Pomo, Brokoto, Oxtail, Roundabout, and so on. These things are a must for the average Nigerian meal.

It's a real dilemma and paradox.

Why don't we all just shun the Fulanis and their cattle and pray for our shaki and pomo to appear from heaven like manna?

I'm sure it will.
They equally have Christians but why do they wait for oil money from Christians? Use what God gave u more often.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by CodeTemplar: 8:26am On Jul 19, 2019
Rossikk:


You are just one person. This question is for the Nigerian collective, which NEEDS cow meat daily and would go absolutely berserk if it disappeared from the markets!
It is just like asking why they are in a country with people they are killing?
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Rossikk(m): 4:58pm On Jul 20, 2019
Acidosis:



Some people don't eat Fulani meat. There is chicken, goat meat, turkey, cat fish, Titus and other kind of fish. We even have pig, and Nigeria got the biggest pig farm in the whole of West Africa (and one of the biggest consumer in Africa).


Keep on posting useless threads about Fulani meat. I should also tell you that those Herdsmen don't eat cow meat. They rare the animals, rape them, and sell them to you. On the side, they rare goats which they eat and feed their families.

Economic illiteracy on display. I won't even bother responding to your post.

Go back and re-read the entire thread, so you can see where we are in this debate.

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Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Rossikk(m): 5:04pm On Jul 20, 2019
oyatz:
OUR OIL alone is not what is sustaining the economy.
Our OIL is the largest source of income for the Government but NOT necessarily the sole determinants of our economy, that's why oil only account for a small percentage of our GDP.

1)Every economic activities (including cattle rearing) sustain the economy.
2) If every citizen stop producing what they produce and we all wait for OIL money,there will be chaos in the land.

For instance, let's take few items for illustration.

* All Cassava and Yams producers stop working. Nigerians will be forced to use money received from the sales of OIL to import these cassava and Yams at international prices.

* If All Timber, Cocoa, Palm oil decide to stop producing these items, the left over of the OIL money will be used to import all these products, again at international prices.

*If ALL Herdsmen stop producing, very little money will be left to import meat from abroad and this will be affordable by only about 5% of the population.

So with all other sectors of the economy shutting down leaving OIL, massive economic devastations will hit the Country with millions of the citizens leaving the country.


Omo thanks jare. People are just dumb. Even when you try to educate them on the catastrophic economic and health consequences of the disappearance of beef from the market, they still write illiterate garbage like ''we have chicken and goats and fish''.

Explain to them the impossible mathematics (and non-existent logistics) of replacing beef with these other more expensive and scarcer products in a country of 200 million, and they've no interest in thinking or reasoning along. Is it low IQ or poor education or just mental laziness?
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Rossikk(m): 5:25pm On Jul 20, 2019
Sapiosexuality:
Rossiki, I thought the last time you said there is nothing like hate in Nigeria. That Nigerians don't hate each other, so what exactly are you talking about here?

I said the ethnic hate displayed on Nairaland was exaggerated and does not reflect the true situation across Nigeria. I maintain that position. 99% of Nigerians get along just fine.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by emerged01(m): 6:49pm On Jul 20, 2019
Nobody hates Fulani. I still believe there is more to this issue of herdmen. Ruga project is a scam of which I'm totally against. Cow rearing business is personal one,govt has no right to demand for land for herdmens to carry out business. They can choose a state wherever they want to build ranches privately for their cow rearing not for settlement.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Nobody: 6:50pm On Jul 20, 2019
Op is right, some people are weak.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by Sapiosexuality(m): 7:16pm On Jul 20, 2019
Rossikk:


I said the ethnic hate displayed on Nairaland was exaggerated and does not reflect the true situation across Nigeria. I maintain that position. 99% of Nigerians get along just fine.
Nairaland? We were never talking about Nairaland. Go back and read the post.
Re: If You Hate Fulanis, Why Do You Chop Their Meat? by rosebowl01(m): 12:12am On Jul 21, 2019
Rossikk:


Madam, the reason for the increased southward movement of herdsmen ACROSS WEST AFRICA (the phenomenon is not unique to Nigeria) is the increasing desertification of the Sahel regions, which has forced herdsmen across the region to seek 'greener pastures' to the south to feed & graze their cattle. If they ''stayed in their places'' up north, their livestock would perish, and that delicious Egusi soup you make for your oga would be impossible, and you'd have no meat in it.

Or does he like Titus?

Hi bros, first of, I'm a guy, not madam.
To the issue, I've followed your posts on this forum and can see that your intention is noble and very good, but you are off on some things; I disagree with you that climate change is the primary cause of their southward expansion/migration (depending on where you stand). History is very very clear on this; was it climate change that drove Usman Dan Fodio to Sokoto to kill leaders in Hausaland, and then southward to all other Hausa Kingdoms, middle-belt, Ilorin and so on?
You mention that if they don't migrate southward, their herds will not survive, care to explain how the herds in the dry and arid countries of Mali, Mauritania, Sudan, Chad etc survive? Is it not the same Fulani people that herd cattle in those countries? How does cattle survive Nevada, Arizona, New Mexico, and West Texas deserts?
Face the reality staring you in the face. Challenge your fear, and set your self free! Thank you.

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