thunderbj:
Am always confused to see a hardworking and talented person working and struggling to make it, after many years the individual would still be in the struggled mode. Then the person will go and seek for a Man Of God,who will start talking about generational curses and how it hindering from progressing. Then after prayers and battling spiritually things will start changing positively for the person.
Another one that do surprise me is about some not making sales in their business then they would start praying, the next thing business would boom up.
So my question is,our success in life is it about how hardworking we are or how much we pray to battle generational curses?

thunderbj:
Am always confused to see a hardworking and talented person working and struggling to make it, after many years the individual would still be in the struggled mode. Then the person will go and seek for a Man Of God,who will start talking about generational curses and how it hindering from progressing. Then after prayers and battling spiritually things will start changing positively for the person.
Another one that do surprise me is about some not making sales in their business then they would start praying, the next thing business would boom up.
So my question is,our success in life is it about how hardworking we are or how much we pray to battle generational curses?

OpenYourEyes1:

Prayer totally works if you believe. The Word of GOD is true!

judedwriter:


God created man to work hard; God never supports laziness. However, without God's blessing, your hardworking will be in vain.

God created us to work hard and succeed under His blessing. I notice severally that when i am operating under God's blessing, success comes easier when i work. The opposite holds true; when we operate under curses, our much hardwork goes down the drain with little or no results.

Today lots of people live unconsciously under curses and need God's blessings to breakthrough.

sonmvayina:
Let's talk a little about atonement.

Can anyone atone for the sins of another?

No.

Atoning is a process, not an end result.

If you rob a bank, can you tell the judge "oh, that is OK because someone atoned for my sins?"

Try it.

It doesn't work with G-d either.

What possible good would it do if someone could "take the rap" for you?

What would you learn?

How would your spirit have grown in holiness by "getting away" with something?

It makes no sense at all.

The T'nach (bible) tells us clearly that we are each responsible for our own actions. Read D'varim / Deuteronomy 24:16 "Fathers shall not die [through the testimony] of their sons, and sons shall not die [through the testimony] of their fathers, since [in any case] every man shall die for his sins."

G-d's judging of us is done as a father correcting his child -- in the hope that the child learns and becomes a better person.

"The wicked shall give up his way, and the man of iniquity his thoughts, and he shall return to HaShem, Who shall have mercy upon him, and to our G-d, for He will freely pardon." Y'shayahu / Isaiah 55:7.

And

"Do I desire the death of the wicked? says HaShem G-d. Is it not rather in his repenting of his ways that he may live?" Y'chezkel / Ezekiel 18:23.

When G-d judges us, He does so with mercy. As King David once said "let us fall now into the hand of HaShem; for His mercies are great; but into the hand of man let me not fall." Shmuel 2 / 2 Samuel 24:14.

We are in the month of Elul. , the last month of the Jewish year. It is the month proceeding Rosh HaShanah (one of four Jewish New Years) and the holiest day of the year, Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement). On Rosh Hashanah, each individual is judged on the merit of his deeds and on Yom Kippur (the Day of Atonement) our fate is sealed.

Some missionaries actually think that because there IS one day of atonement that means it is the only day of the year you can atone!

How silly is that

You can atone, seek forgiveness, every second of every day of your life.

But what happens to those who do not seek out G-d?

He seeks them.

THAT is the purpose of Yom Kippur. It is the day the king, your father, leaves His "palace" and comes to you. What a beautiful concept!

BetterChurch:
Generational curses is a term coined in an attempt to understand a great principle of life called Karma. This law is immutable, from generation to generation

BetterChurch:
Generational curses is a term coined in an attempt to understand a great principle of life called Karma. This law is immutable, from generation to generation

BetterChurch:
Generational curses is a term coined in an attempt to understand a great principle of life called Karma. This law is immutable, from generation to generation

tintingz:
Generational curses or karma are superstitions and nonsensical.

thunderbj:

Another one that do surprise me is about some not making sales in their business then they would start praying, the next thing business would boom up.

true2god:
No one has a complete repository of knowledge and for the fact that certain things are beyond human comprehension does not make it false. Not all laws follow natural and scientific laws, we also have spiritual laws that govern the universe. I have a first-hand experience of what I am talking about and would not like go into details because a friend or relative, who might understand, could be reading. There are curses and blessings in life and are controlled by cosmic forces, take it or leave it.

thunderbj:
Am always confused to see a hardworking and talented person working and struggling to make it, after many years the individual would still be in the struggled mode.

Then the person will go and seek for a Man Of God,who will start talking about generational curses and how it hindering from progressing. Then after prayers and battling spiritually things will start changing positively for the person.....

tintingz:


First, every phenomena that occur in this natural world is natural, it's either not yet understood or unknown. There are many phenomena tagged supernatural in the past and now discover it to be natural.

Secondly, generational curses or karma cannot work in an imperfect world, no humans is perfect therefore every human must have done something wrong in their life time and if this is so, humans should be extinct by now or better still there won't be bad things again.

Thirdly, there are no evidence that connects this generational curses or karma, because I'm sick doesn't mean I must have done something wrong to someone or I'm cursed, you can't prove the connection, people only fantasize this with their confirmation bias, an opium they wish for. The fallacy for this is a post hoc fallacy.

Karma or generational will make sense if we're in a perfect world. Unfortunately bad people suffer and good people enjoy, no one is immune to this experience.

true2god:
I want to ask you a simple questions, do you think you are always 100% correct in your assertions? Is it possible for you to get something wrong while your mind tells you you are correct?

tintingz:


First, every phenomena that occur in this natural world is natural, it's either not yet understood or unknown. There are many phenomena tagged supernatural in the past and now discover it to be natural.

Secondly, generational curses or karma cannot work in an imperfect world, no humans is perfect therefore every human must have done something wrong in their life time and if this is so, humans should be extinct by now or better still there won't be bad things again.

Thirdly, there are no evidence that connects this generational curses or karma, because I'm sick doesn't mean I must have done something wrong to someone or I'm cursed, you can't prove the connection, people only fantasize this with their confirmation bias, an opium they wish for. The fallacy for this is a post hoc fallacy.

Karma or generational curse will make sense if we're in a perfect world. Unfortunately bad people suffer and good people enjoy, no one is immune to this experience.

thunderbj:

I just do wonder why the offender is not the one suffering for his own consequence, why let it transfer to another generation

tintingz:
Generational curses or karma are superstitions and nonsensical.

tintingz:
Nope I'm not always 100% correct, I work with evidence and logic. If you can't provide this you're just wallowing in assumptions.

CAPSLOCKED:



GENERATIONAL CURSES, SHOULD NOT BE A PROBLEM BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN THE DIVINE AND UNCHANGEABLE WILL OF GOD.

EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE WORST TRAGEDIES ARE ALL GOD'S PLAN. NOTHING HAPPENS WITHOUT HIS WILL.

true2god:
If your argument is from an atheist point of view then your assertions can be understood because atheists do not believe in the spiritual or cosmic forces. If you are a Yoruba man, you might have a bit knowledge of Yoruba tradition which entails carrying sacrifices in the middle of the night to appease the 'gods'.

I have a neighbor whose son was sick, almost to death, and the man was given all manners of treatment all to know avail. The woman was later advised, by a native doctor, to do midnight sacrifice for her son. The woman did it and the next day the son became healthy and all the skin rashes disappeared. This phenomenon can never be explained by science and has nothing to do with superstition but spiritual. It is what I saw with my own eyes.

The problem most 'African atheist' have is that their atheistic argument is still attached to the 'whiteman' argument or social philosophy and it always sound very ridiculous to me when you guys try form 'atheist' in order to discredit spiritual realities. There is no any atheistic philosophy or 'theories' that are home grown, or traditionally African atheistic philosophy. Most Africans discrediting spiritual realities based their argument on what are being taught by the whites, which, in most cases, are still subjective and are never a general rule in terms of socio-spiritual realities (even in their homeland).

BetterChurch:



Generational curses somewhat is, but not Karma or reincarnation; a primary belief in almost all religion

tintingz:
Generational curses is still nonsensical. Who ordain this curse? Is there any human without sin?

true2god:
What evidence do you have that your paternal great grand father is actually your paternal great grand father aside from what you are being told? What logic can you use to deduce this claim?

If I tell you I had a dream last night that I bought a car, what physical evidence do I need to produce to actually confirmed that dream? I should visit a car shop and buy one to make my dream believable?

My point is this, for the fact that we are ignorant of certain things do not make it false or 'superstition'. For the fact that we do not believe or know a thing does not mean it never existed.

Snakes are known to be dangerous to man but there a certain communities where snakes are friends to man, somewhere in Anambra state Nigeria. In this part of Nigerian community, snakes and man live in compete harmony for centuries and generations without any known incident. In our natural laws of habitat, snakes and man are meant to live wide apart to avoid any bad incident. What could have happened to make this strange habitat law possible in one community but dangerous in another community? This is where the power of the supernatural and the cosmic forces come to play.
https://www.sunnewsonline.com/anambra-town-man-pythons-harmony/
https://www.yabaleftonline.ng/inside-anambra-town-human-beings-huge-pythons/

How can one possibly explain the positive social relationship between a snake and a man? How can the Burmese and the Florida python be so dangerous to man and the ecosystem but the Anambra python a complete opposite? This is the difference in the cosmic forces that control the spiritual activities in both places that you failed to appreciate. There are things that are can not be explained by mere human observation, logic or scientific experiment, the 3 fundamental tools atheist used in doing their appraisal and conclusion.

tintingz:
This is argument from Ignorance, because this can't be explain therefore it's this. This is a fallacious argument.

tintingz:
So what if the medical treatment he has been receiving was the one that healed him but coincidentally give the credit to some mumbo jumbo?

tintingz:
If this "ebo"(sacrifice) is really working why is it not used in the medical field? Can this ebo used for surgery and many other critical health issues? Can it be used to know a disease or virus? Or why is Africa still having issues with health problems? When you reflect on this then you know how useless your claim is.

tintingz:
And don't think I haven't experienced an illness before, there was an illness I had we prayed and do sort of mumbo jumbo and guess what nothing happened until I was medically treated.

tintingz:
No one is immune to illness.

tintingz:
Another fallacious argument.

tintingz:
Philosophy is not attached to any race nor tribe, philosophy is seeking knowledge through reasoning, argument, logic, research etc.

tintingz:
The white man you're talking about were also very spiritual in the past, they believe in all sort of magic and superstitions, sacrifices to the gods, these things didn't work nor make them move forward. Kindly read about the Greek philosophy.

true2god:
You cannot, logically prove that the man who your are told is your great grand father is actually your great grand father. You accept it as a fact because you are told and your have no any single evidence to confirm whether it is true or false.

You speak out of ignorance; you cant know better than the victim. I must not put everything into writing before you can understand a simple fact. My assumption is that you are brighter than this.

You speak like an ignorant man here. Each 'medical' field had their whims and caprices. Spiritual healing did not involve surgery and cutting of blood.

Thousands of years before the advent of modern medicine, Africans have been taking care of their medical need. Stop talking as if africans have not any form of medical treatment before the coming of the whites. This is a very ignorant statement and the discovery of virus, for medical purpose, is a modern medical phenomenon and were never available some 150-200 years back.

It is only an ignorant man that will not seek medical treatment and will only resort to prayer. Both are symbiotic, where orthodox medicine fails, people go for spiritual healing and some get result. Many people had equally died while seeking modern medical help, does this make medical treatment inefficient? No.

Whatever you dont agree with automatically becomes a fallacious argument. This is not an honest way of making a rational argument. Making a point is not ependent on sharp phrases learnt in school. A good academic should think independently outside the four walls of the school. While you accused others of being dogmatic, you subtly wallow in complete dogma furnished with atheism and new age enlightenment. You never think independently but depended on what you heard and read from like mind.

Provide me a single philosophical 'theorem' founded and propounded by a blackman. Give me a single evidence that your current so-called 'philosophical' knowledge has a root your immediate environment.

The white are still spiritual today; atheism is also as old as the white man had existed. So stop thinking as if atheism is a modern phenomenon. The white, till date, still perform ritual and sacrifices, so what is your point exactly?

tintingz:
I exist I must have a biological paternal great grandfather whether the one I was told or not. I wonder why this is even an argument.

tintingz:
Your dreams are your imaginations that's in your head, I don't need evidence of your dream but if you have evidence for your imaginations then present it. There's nothing wrong with this.

tintingz:
Then you don't have to fill this gap with mumbo jumbo. If you don't know something just say you don't know than making some claims you can't even prove.

tintingz:
I will agree if you say it's just an assumption but claiming something is fact or exist without any prove is nonsensical.

tintingz:
Lol, are you saying snakes are not trained?

tintingz:
Ok, in Pokémon, monsters are friends with humans.

tintingz:
In india, elephants are their best friend.

tintingz:
Please if you have a logical argument kindly present them.

tintingz:
I've never met my great grandfather, he died long time ago, my father may have prove but I don't need it anyway, I've seen his picture and he's just like my father. Secondly, I've uncles and aunties who are siblings to my father so that's another strong evidence, thirdly I know my hometown.

But in all I know is I've a biological great grandfather whether he's the one I'm told of or not is irrelevant to me.

So you want me to take you story as fact right?

tintingz:
Ok, can you take me to the herbalist, I will have to take him to generate hospital to cure people, we will make alot of money.

tintingz:
Then this spirituality is useless if it doesn't involve surgery.

tintingz:
The healing care in the past are very limited, most are base on ignorance and superstitions. For example"abiku" is seen as a curse in the past which is not.

tintingz:
Alchemy, herbs is the old way of healing now we have chemistry, modern medicine that have been proven to be very useful in human civilization.

tintingz:
Ask yourself, between modern medicine and spirituality healing which is effective?

tintingz:
I thought prayers answers everything?

tintingz:
How do we know it's not the medical treatment that heal someone while they also prayer? How can we know which worked?

tintingz:
Until there is a praying healing center where no medical treatment is involve, and we see good results regularly and it is been critically investigated then I can believe prayers or spirituality can heal.

tintingz:
Whatever claim that violate logic is fallacious.

1. Without logic anybody can make any fallacious claims and say it's the true but with logic we can deduce an argument. You need to understand what logic is.

2. We need evidence to back up your claims, anybody can make up fairytales. If you don't have evidence just tell us you don't know or your claims are assumptions.

tintingz:
We have philosophers in Africa.

tintingz:
Philosophy started in Greek because they have elites who became sceptics, their philosophical argument has been proven to be valid throughout history till date. Like I said they also once believed In spirituality.

tintingz:
Something must start somewhere.

tintingz:
Did I say atheism is modern?

tintingz:
Yes, there are whites that are still spiritual but they don't use this to advance their country.

true2god:
Of course we all have great grand fathers but my question is that how do you confirm if the man who you are told is your great great father is actually the one since you do not have any physical or scientific evidence to valid that claim.

Dreams are complex 'pseudo-normal' activity that takes place in ones sub-concious mind (world), especially while sleeping. Dreams also have spiritual dimension because man can recive warning and advise via dreams. My late mum had appeared, in my dreams so many times, to give me advise. Of course it will only be foolish for one to ask me the video evidence of my conversation in the dream, as a proof and I wont be shocked if an atheist ask me of such.

I don't claim I know everything but a truly ignorant man will claim to know all. Life is however more complex than 'seeing is believing'.

Can you see energy? No. Does energy exist? Yes. The first law of thermodynamic says 'energy can neither be created nor destroyed but can be transformed from one form to another'. If energy cannot be seen why do science still claim that it existed? If you believe in modern science, vis-a-vis energy, you should also believe that there are many things that existed but not visible to the naked eyes. I however doubt it because you have been 'dogmatised' with atheistic principles which also, in a way, avoid rationality that does not fit into their myopic worldview.

Who trained all the snakes and pythons in Anambra state? Have snakes sudden become human in order to make your delusion acceptable?

This is nonsense. Explained how a wild python is not dangerous to people of Anambra state, but a human and ecological threat to the people of Florida and its ecosystem.

You brought up an unrelated example to solidify your fallacy. I talking about wild a wild animal that have a spiritual significance in the local community which physically and spiritually share common space with human. Python in that community in Anambra are not trained/domesticated but are regarded as part and parcel of their community. You cannot know better than inhabitants where these experienced is paramount till date. It is arrogance to think otherwise.

You are the one embedded into your 'superior' dogma who sees no reason in alternative realities.

tintingz:
In india, elephants are their best friend.