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Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Empiree: 4:53pm On Sep 29, 2019 |
usermane:it is only "unclear" to you. It is clear to us Muslims. You failed to realize that Allah was teaching you the right methodology when He mentioned Iblis in the midst of Angels. He then clarified Iblis is a Jinn And as We said to the Angels, "Prostrate (yourselves) to Adam." So they prostrated themselves, except Iblas. He was one of the jinn,. 18:50 And where the Jinns created from ? “And the jinn We created before from scorching fire.” [15:27] To distinguish jinn from Angels, Allah says in Q66:6 the Angels do not disobey God's Order. In addition to that, Angels are tasked with punishing disbelievers and evil people in Hell not Jinns. Disbelieving Jinns themselves will be victimized by Angels. In the graves, angels are tasked with questioning not Jinns. Angels are tasked with wahy. So duties of Angels are mentioned. The only similarity between Jinns and Angel is their spiritual realm(unseen). At some point Jinns may be seen in their different forms. Some are wavy etc. So when Allah mentioned Iblis in the gathering of Angels and then clarified what he's made of (kahf 50), He's teaching us methodology. Whether you believe in the hadith which also clarified what Angels are made of or not, that's your problem. I believe it. It makes our research easier. Finally, it is said Iblis was once beloved by Allah. He worshipped Allah for donkey centuries so Allah raised his status and raised him to the Angels. Angels are the closest to Allah. Now, similar senario may be said for Jesus where we read in sura 4:158. Allah brought him nearest to Him. When Allah brought Jesus to Himself, does that make Jesus Angel?. Ofcourse not. Yet Allah says Angels are nearer to Him. To Him belongs whoever is in the heavens and the earth. And those near Him are not prevented by arrogance from His worship, nor do they tire. They exalt [Him] night and day [and] do not slacken. 21:19-20 Never would the Messiah disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor would the angels near [to Him]. Q 4:172 Yet Quran tells us what Jesus was made of (Imran 59). So question is, if Iblis and Jesus were nearer to Allah, this does not make Jesus and Iblis Angels. They remained human and Jinn 1 Like |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by true2god: 8:17am On Sep 30, 2019 |
usermane:Modern muslims must discredit the Injeel to give credibility to the quran because many of the teachings of the quran contradict the Injeel. I read an exegeses of the quran, by ibn Kathir, and in the first 3 pages where Ibn Kathir said that the Injeel but neither be accepted or rejected as the words of allah. And that muslims should reject any part of the injeel that does not agree with the koran and accept any part of the injeel that agree with the koran. In order words, the quran must be the standard to apprasise the Injeel and not the other way round. The quran asked the muslims to validate Islam from the people of the book and not the other way round. 1 Like |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by true2god: 8:25am On Sep 30, 2019 |
usermane:The writer of the quran can be very funny. How can you ask 2.5billion people to follow a book whose contents have been lost? If, for the better of the doubt, the current injeel is fake, where can we get the original copies? At time muslims make a claim that allah never sent them to make. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 8:31am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: Lmao! Fairytale. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 8:34am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Empiree: So what are the parameters to know the real gospel? And secondly, are you saying there are no different doctrines in Islam as well? Is this your argument? |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 8:37am On Sep 30, 2019 |
sino: FSM created all. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by true2god: 8:38am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Empiree:The same way there is no uniformity in the interpretations of the quran by all the 5 Islamic schools of thought. Even your tafsir, do not agree on many renditions of the quran. tafsir of ibn kathir and jalalyn do not agree on the hadith rendition of quran 66:1. They provided 2 completely different hadith on the ayah. Do you know that the JW is one christian organization that rejects some of what the mainstream Christians belief in? Just as they reject the divinity of Christ, they also rejected the presence of heaven, hell or the afterlife (beliefs which are central part of Islamic theology). Why dont you use this belief as a proof positive of some sect that do not align with traditional christian doctrines? I understand, it wont suit your argument. And to make matter worse, your prophet said Islam with balkanize into 73 different sects and only one sect will be on the right track and the remaining 72 will be fake: “My ummah will divide into 73 sects, all of them will be in the Fire except for one, and that is the Jamā’ah.” It was said, “And who are they, O Allah’s Messenger?” He responded, “That which I and my Companions are upon today.” Jam'i at-Tirmidhi 40/2641. This hadith is graded sahih. So stop making it seem as if you are even following the right side of Islam. The tendency that your Islam is acceptable is 1/73, which is below 2%. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 8:52am On Sep 30, 2019 |
tintingz: But your family still follows what you call fairy tales. Omo buruku loma fi owo osi juwe ile baba e. Funny you can be an atheist online and hypocrite among your kith. The parable of a black sheep... 1 Like |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by true2god: 9:10am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:I don't agree with Tintinz in so many things but you don't have to be abusive to drive home your point. You need to apologize for being intolerant here. 1 Like |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 9:17am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:Yes my family follow fairytales, so? |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 9:18am On Sep 30, 2019 |
true2god: Don't mind him, he's the one frustrated. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 9:27am On Sep 30, 2019 |
tintingz: That's easy to type. Say it. Confront them. Stop the hypocrisy. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 9:29am On Sep 30, 2019 |
true2god: I am not tolerant. I didn't call him here. Atheist ain't called to my threads. He interfered. And what i said is the truth. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 9:30am On Sep 30, 2019 |
tintingz: Frustration is the feeling of being upset or annoyed as a result of being unable to change or achieve something. This explains you the more. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by true2god: 9:51am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:This is a free space and everybody is entitled to his opinion. If you can't handle someone's argument you can ignore him totally instead of raining diatribe. What example are you showing? Is your action a sunnah? Well, even Abu Bakr said to one of the polytheist who was against the messenger of your prophet: This was also said by Abu Bakr as-Siddeeq (may Allah be pleased with him), when ‘Urwah ibn Mas‘ood, who came as a negotiator on behalf of the mushrikeen at al-Hudaybiyah, said to the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him): By Allah I see faces, and I see a mixture of people who are most likely going to flee and desert you. Abu Bakr said to him: Suck the clitoris of al-Laat! Would we flee and desert him? He said: Who is that? They said: Abu Bakr. (Sahih Bukhaari (2581)) The prophet made a similar remark: It was narrated from Ubayy ibn Ka‘b that a man boasted in an ignorant manner of his tribal lineage, so he told him to bite his father’s male member, and he did not use a metaphor. The people looked askance at him, so he said to the people: I can see what you are thinking, and I can only say this: that the Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) instructed us: “If you hear someone boasting in an ignorant manner of his tribal lineage, then tell him to bite his father’s male member (Penis), and do not use a metaphor.”(Narrated by Ahmad (35/157); classed as hasan by the commentators on al-Musnad. ) Well your action is ok if it sunnah. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:15am On Sep 30, 2019 |
true2god: Well, this is typical of a Christian Islamophobe's comment. They can pick up a text and twist it to suit their whims without regard for the language, grammar, context, settings or antecedents. Can you tell us the antecedent of the two Hadiths you quoted? Discuss the language of the Arabs as regards the words you put in bold? Keep it up as you are not disappointing me. Here is a post on what they said about Muhammad. Instead of them to face the issues bothering their religion they come here and derail thread with falsehood. Falsehood for Jesus! The end justify the means. 1 Like |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by true2god: 10:39am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:I am quoting your text; no more no less. You can expalin the language, grammar, context, settings or antecedents; educate us on the antecedent that led to your prophet and his sahaba using a very foul and filthy language. If you can't kindly ignore and pretend you never see it. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:14am On Sep 30, 2019 |
usermane: usermane: usermane: I once discussed this with Taiwo here. It's like you are gradually embracing Atheism poco a poco. If you are confused then ask those that know. 1 – Dhu’l-Qarnayn who is mentioned in the Qur’aan is not Alexander the Macedonian or Greek who built Alexandria. This Alexander is the one who died at the age of 33, as mentioned in the Christian books. He lived 323 years before the birth of the Messiah (peace be upon him). Dhu’l-Qarnayn who is mentioned in the Qur’aan lived at the time of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), and it is said that he became Muslim at the hands of Ibraaheem (peace be upon him), and he went on pilgrimage to the Ka’bah walking. The scholars differed concerning him, as to whether he was a Prophet or a righteous slave and just king, but they agree that he was a Muslim, a monotheist (believer in Tawheed) and one who was obedient to Allaah. The correct view is to refrain from stating what he was, because the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “I do not know whether Tubba’ was a Prophet or not, and I do not know whether Dhu’l-Qarnayn was a Prophet or not.” (Narrated by al-Haakim and al-Bayhaqi; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, no. 5524). 2 – The difference between this righteous slave, and the Macedonian Alexander who was a kaafir, is well known to Muslim scholars. Ibn Katheer (may Allaah have mercy on him) said in al-Badaayah wa’l-Nahaayah (1/493): “It was narrated that Qutaadah said: Alexander was Dhu’l-Qarnayn and his father was the first of the Caesars, and he was one of the descendants of Saam ibn Nooh (Shem the son of Noah). As for Dhu’l-Qarnayn, he was Alexander son of Philip… ibn Roomi ibn al-Asfar ibn Yaqaz ibn al-‘Ees ibn Ishaaq ibn Ibraaheem al-Khaleel. This is the genealogy of him given by al-Haafiz ibn ‘Asaakir in his Taareekh. (He is known as) the Macedonian, the Greek, the Egyptian, builder of Alexandria, on the events of whose life the Greeks based their calendar. He came much later than the first Alexander. This was approximately three hundred years before the Messiah. The philosopher Aristotle was his minister and he is the one who killed Daar ibn Daar (Darius) and humiliated the kings of Persia and invaded their land. We have drawn attention to him because many people think that they are one and the same and that the one who is mentioned in the Qur’aan is the one whose minister was Aristotle, which has resulted in a lot of mistakes and far-reaching corruption. The former was a righteous believing slave and a just king, and the latter was a mushrik and his minister was a philosopher. There were more than two thousand years between the two, so what comparison can there be between them? They are not alike at all and they have nothing in common, except in the mind of a fool who does not know anything.” Once again you are mistaken again. Our Dhu’l-Qarnayn was a Muslim. Not a Zoroastrian or a Mushrik. And we need no external sources to complete our Books for us. 1 Like |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 11:18am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:I replied your post without making any personal related comment, you replied making personal statement. Is this not your frustrations? 1 Like |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 11:21am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: I can give you their numbers and start calling them or even organize a family meeting and announce it, if that will make any better. Nonsense. You should learn from your apostate prophet. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:23am On Sep 30, 2019 |
tintingz: What do you expect if you reply to someone who didn't refer to you? Sorry, not mine. It's yours! |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by true2god: 11:24am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:If your book contradict all other external sources, should we reject all of them (external sources) and accept what Islamic scholars (who are not even in agreement) tell us? |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 11:25am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:Are you the one to tell me who I should reply to? In a public forum? |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:25am On Sep 30, 2019 |
tintingz: Nonsense. Stay your atheist lane make i stay my Islamic lane. Lakum deenukum waliyadeen. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 11:26am On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: I will keep disturbing Islamic lane. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:35am On Sep 30, 2019 |
tintingz: So stop complaining whenever you are bashed. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Rashduct4luv(m): 11:36am On Sep 30, 2019 |
tintingz: You have nowhere to go before. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Empiree: 11:50am On Sep 30, 2019 |
true2god:First all, get your fact right. Tafsir(explanation of the meaning of Quran). Tawil(interpretation of the meaning of Qur'an). There is different btw the two. Example of tasfir, if I suddenly hit a car in front of me and the victim calls the police, police come and I will try to explain what and how it happened. Example of Tawil, if I say he "kicks the bucket". I will now interpret what that means. Neither tasfir not tawil changes the text of the Qur'an. Muslims don't have to agree with xyz tafsir of Ayah. There may be others credible explanations. Then you pick whichever is close to the meaning of Qur'an. But to reject the Ayah itself is another thing entirely. Do you know that the JW is one christian organization that rejects some of what the mainstream Christians belief in? Just as they reject the divinity of Christ, they also rejected the presence of heaven, hell or the afterlife (beliefs which are central part of Islamic theology).this is Creed not tafsir or Tawil. This is rejection of certain portion of the Bible. Anyone who rejects certain portion of Quran is a disbeliever. Why dont you use this belief as a proof positive of some sect that do not align with traditional christian doctrines? I understand, it wont suit your argumentthis is flaw with Christianity. If a Christian sect rejects mainstream Creed like Sonship or divinity of Jesus it means they don't believe that aspect. Therefore, we look into why they reject that. If their argument is based on 'Bible doesn't say that' while other CHRISTIANs believe that then, Bible is the problem. And to make matter worse, your prophet said Islam with balkanize into 73 different sects and only one sect will be on the right track and the remaining 72 will be fake:no sects in Islam reject major Creed. Where differences lie are non paradise threatening issues. 73 sects Hadith is subjective to tafsir. So stop making it seem as if you are even following the right side of Islam. The tendency that your Islam is acceptable is 1/73, which is below 2%.kindly point out which sect of Islam reject Shahadah Salat Ramadan Zakat Hajj If any sect rejected any of these is not in the fold of Islam. These are simple required and obligatory practices that must not be rejected. So which muslim group have you seen rejected these? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by Empiree: 12:10pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
tintingz:the parameters lie in their Gospel and Christians. If a Christian says he believes Jesus is God (trinitarian)and another Christian says he doesn't believe Jesus is God(Unitarian). Common sense should tell you they both claim to read the same Book. You ask for reference from the one who believes Jesus is God from his Bible. A Christian who doesn't believe Jesus is God would tell you the same Bible reference doesn't proof he's God. So you can see major differences. It means either their Gospel is lying to them or they are lying to themselves. But if you ask 10 Muslims from 10 different countries if muhammad is God?. They will all give you same answer "NO". This is universal doctrine. But you can never get the same answer for Christians which means they have different doctrines. This is a major flaw. So just do yourself a favor and select 10 CHRISTIANs from 10 different sects and ask them if Jesus is God?. I am sure you will get different answers. And secondly, are you saying there are no different doctrines in Islam as well? Is this your argument?I have explained this to true2god up there 1 Like |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 12:35pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
Empiree: This does not nullify the gospel originality we see today, it's just the interpretations the people made up. Muslims themselves cannot produce the so called original gospel. And thirdly, we don't even see Christians fighting and killing each other because of this, but in the Muslim world they are fighting and killing themselves because of their doctrines that differ. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 12:37pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv:Oh I've many places to go. Islamic lane is one of them. |
Re: 5 Qur'anic Terminologies No Muslim Understand by tintingz(m): 12:38pm On Sep 30, 2019 |
Rashduct4luv: Where did I complain? |
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