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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by selemempe: 12:08pm On Oct 02, 2019
MASTERCHIEF0847:


Africans have organisational problems. US is also a diverse country right from independence, Singapore, Malaysia, Brazil etc also have diversity so why are they making progress? Proves that diversity is not the issue or an excuse for non development.
Nigeria not Africans. Most parts of Africa today are developed

The countriest drawing Africa back are abokì countries such as Nigeria Sudan Somalia Chad Gambia Niger Cameroon etc

Countries like Gabon Congo Rwanda Ghana Namibia etc are moving up

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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by selemempe: 12:09pm On Oct 02, 2019
obiekunie2:


yes i totally agree with that - we can learn so much from them - but am just against comparing our pace of progress to theirs.
we should cos we were better them 40 years ago...not even a Lifetime ago
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by bareal(m): 12:09pm On Oct 02, 2019
madridguy:
Corruption is Nigeria biggest problem. A country where only NASS members are going home with our over 25% of revenue. Kill corruption and you see Nigeria moving at the speed of light.

To kill corruption, pass death sentence just like the Chinese.

Exactly, start by reviewing the constitution. A lot of flaws are in that sh!t.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by announcement: 12:10pm On Oct 02, 2019
sammirano:
Which China is 70 years? You people will just be vexing persin early in the morning.

The communist party is merely celebrating 70 years in power. China is older than many western powers do you think its shawama to be a permenent member of the UN Security Council.

Is that an excuse for Nigeria NOT to get its onions right after 59 year of independence? NIGERIA AS A GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION VIA EXISTENCE OF EACH STATE HAS BEEN EXISTING MORE THAN 300 YEAR. ...WHY HAVEN'T THOSE STATES DEVELOPED?
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by bigpriik: 12:11pm On Oct 02, 2019
hucienda:
First, China is not 70 - rather, the Communist Party of China.

As regards what to learn, Gov. Peter Obi would better advise.

Nigeria too is more than 59 years if you are viewing from that angle Nigeria started in 1914 before independent so let say Nigeria is about 100 plus.

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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by MASTERCHIEF0847(m): 12:13pm On Oct 02, 2019
selemempe:
Nigeria not Africans. Most parts of Africa today are developed

The countriest drawing Africa back are abokì countries such as Nigeria Sudan Somalia Chad Gambia Niger Cameroon etc

Countries like Gabon Congo Rwanda Ghana Namibia etc are moving up

Yes Rwanda , Ghana are making progress but these countries still lack basic amenities and infrastructure. I don't know what aboki countries are but am talking development in terms of infrastructure and economics these countries are still way below the poverty line so?
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by obiekunie2: 12:14pm On Oct 02, 2019
selemempe:
we should cos we were better them 40 years ago...not even a Lifetime ago

We! better than china 40 years ago?? bros!!!

which yardstick you use measure this your "Nigeria better than china 40years ago"

Did you use economic scale or population scale??
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by renewable1(m): 12:14pm On Oct 02, 2019
We can learn nnothing from this greedy and clueless leaders of ours


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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by joseph1832(m): 12:15pm On Oct 02, 2019
So it's safe to say the major reason why the Chinese communist government acted, was because they were afraid the masses will rise up and wipe them out.

Now in Nigeria the political elite isn't afraid of this because they know the masses will never attempt such, because they usually keep them in check with religion and tribal sentiment.

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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by selemempe: 12:17pm On Oct 02, 2019
obiekunie2:


We! better than china 40 years ago?? bros!!!

which yardstick you use measure this your "Nigeria better than china 40years ago"

Did you use economic scale or population scale??
per capita income, percentage of absolute poor, skyscraper in the 2 mega cities... Google bro
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by Gideoniteprime4: 12:18pm On Oct 02, 2019
Babaalata:
Penalty for Corruption in China is death Sentence na, so why won't their leaders be accountable?
is corruption a single term that defines one thing?
bribe is a form of corruption, does it mean one who bribes receives death penalty?
buying contra-band goods is a form of corruption, does it mean one who buys contra-band goods receives death penalty?
election malpractice is a form of corruption, does it mean one who engages himself in it gets death penalty
please read ya history books very well
it might save a life one day cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
wink
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by Godi25(m): 12:20pm On Oct 02, 2019
When it comes to fighting corruption in China, even the top executives of the communist party are not spare when found guilty, they are either executed or given life harsh sentences. This people live by actions n not just petty words.
Again, they don't allow Religion to control their lives. They believe in facts and reality. So until Nigeria put religion in its place and face corruption as an enemy, we will continue to move in circles

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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by selemempe: 12:20pm On Oct 02, 2019
MASTERCHIEF0847:


Yes Rwanda , Ghana are making progress but these countries still lack basic amenities and infrastructure. I don't know what aboki countries are but am talking development in terms of infrastructure and economics these countries are still way below the poverty line so?
you are comparing them to advanced Europe. Compare them to 3rd world countries. Zimbabwe and Rwanda were just listed as having the best road network in Africa. In the next 50 years these countries can be were Portugal or Spain is today while we are still talking ruga with abokì leaders

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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by Godi25(m): 12:23pm On Oct 02, 2019
joseph1832:
So it's safe to say the major reason why the Chinese communist government acted, was because they were afraid the masses will rise up and wipe them out.

Now in Nigeria the political elite isn't afraid of this because they know the masses will never attempt such, because they usually keep them in check with religion and tribal sentiment.
Exactly... Religion and tribalism is the tool used to control Nigerians since independence(I e if we r even independent)

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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by JayPeeOham: 12:24pm On Oct 02, 2019
Best write up in recent times compared to all the BBN drama here and their mtchhhheeeeeewwwww!!!
embarassed
Back to the topic, I think this article should be taken to Aso Rock to be shoved down the throat of those Our Leaders at least this will serve as a new idea coz they're obviously out of ideas. cool

By the way, considering the fact that there is no continuity in the Nigerian system of Government, How will this work? undecided

Once again, educative and very informative write-up, looks more like an action plan in which if carefully followed will yield good results.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by Babaalata: 12:24pm On Oct 02, 2019
Gideoniteprime4:

is corruption a single term that defines one thing?
bribe is a form of corruption, does it mean one who bribes receives death penalty?
buying contra-band goods is a form of corruption, does it mean one who buys contra-band goods receives death penalty?
election malpractice is a form of corruption, does it mean one who engages himself in it gets death penalty
please read ya history books very well
it might save a life one day cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
wink

Baba you have successfully scattered my medulla oblongata gringrin
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by obiekunie2: 12:25pm On Oct 02, 2019
selemempe:
per capita income, percentage of absolute poor, skyscraper in the 2 mega cities... Google bro

hmm. i reserve my comment sir.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by Nobody: 12:25pm On Oct 02, 2019
How can China be 70yrs old, when the country is older than the USA and Britain and have dynasties dt have existed for hundreds of years?
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by Nobody: 12:26pm On Oct 02, 2019
AlphaNomega

raker300:
communism can help nigeria.

Nigeria practiced communism when the government built and controlled industries and provided employment in various sectors.

Every state in nigeria should boast of an industry controlled by the government. That way, unemployment and local content can be boosted.

Let's face it, capitalism isn't working for us

Thank you.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by Princedapace(m): 12:26pm On Oct 02, 2019
MASTERCHIEF0847:


Adenuga has hausa employees, Dangote has yoruba & ibo employees. The Nigerian structure is the problem right from independence.

Bros, right from day one, ethnic supremacy has always been our major problem. The issue is when you have issue like this, one tribe in Nigeria sees leadership as it birth right. Have u listened to their leaders talk? They just feel every other tribe must bow to them and they should control leadership. There is no way any country can work with ethnic supremacy. The Nigerian model can't work like the Chinese.

These countries you mentioned, the leaders don't have fear allowing all ethnic groups properly represented. In the case of Nigeria, hausa fulani have the mentality of defeat and conquer.

The best way we should start is regional based govt into six regions. That way, we can reduce the friction at the central level.

To me, the UK system of govt is best for Nigeria.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by MASTERCHIEF0847(m): 12:26pm On Oct 02, 2019
selemempe:
you are comparing them to advanced Europe. Compare them to 3rd world countries. Zimbabwe and Rwanda were just listed as having the best road network in Africa. In the next 50 years these countries can be were Portugal or Spain is today while we are still talking ruga with abokì leaders

My point is that it has been proven in many countries over the world that diversity cannot stop development. Singapore and Malaysia are not advanced Europe and both were former British colonies same period.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by joseph1832(m): 12:28pm On Oct 02, 2019
Godi25:

Exactly... Religion and tribalism is the tool used to control Nigerians since independence(I e if we r even independent)
truth is we aren't independent. We're fully a dependent country.

Not only are our political elite dependent on the west, Nigerians are also dependent on the political elite. It's thorough slave oppress slave system in Nigeria.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by Nobody: 12:29pm On Oct 02, 2019
Gideoniteprime4:

is corruption a single term that defines one thing?
bribe is a form of corruption, does it mean one who bribes receives death penalty?
buying contra-band goods is a form of corruption, does it mean one who buys contra-band goods receives death penalty?
election malpractice is a form of corruption, does it mean one who engages himself in it gets death penalty
please read ya history books very well
it might save a life one day cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy cheesy
wink
In China they’re death penalties o. They have zero tolerance, even for corruption in business. A ceo was once executed because the baby milk the company produced had some gmo substance dt was affecting children’s hormones. The substance was used to increase production yield & was not approved by the government. Death penalty.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by selemempe: 12:29pm On Oct 02, 2019
obiekunie2:


hmm. i reserve my comment sir.
it was hard for me to believe too. What that country did is simple but it can only be done by a benevolent military govt
No democracy anywhere in the world can do it.
Even USSR was great because they were run the way China is run now

America and Europe are great because of white mentality and Christian culture...not because of democracy
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by emeritus00(m): 12:32pm On Oct 02, 2019
You forget to narrate the whole story. 30 million Chinese died as result of the country policy to ensure that everything was produced locally and closed the country to external goods. Things were very hard for them but they eventually come out bigger. The same Nigeria wanted to do but we couldnt endure. Politics and ethnicity in Nigeria would not allow us to unite and make decisive steps.

raker300:
I was aghast when I learned that China is 70 yrs old. Communist China founded in the 1940s had a population of 756million.

A country that went from the world’s poorest country to the second world power.

I saw this article from a Chinese website and thought it would be of help as we celebrate 59years of melancholy and stagnation..we can reflect and borrow a leaf from China.

Take a read:

The biggest issue confronting Nigeria today is extreme poverty. According to a new report by the World Poverty Clock, Nigeria has overtaken India as the nation with the most extreme poverty in the world - and, even worse, the situation in Nigeria is increasing by six people every minute, while poverty in China continues to fall. At the end of May 2018, World Poverty Clock trajectories proposed that Nigeria had 86.9 million people in extreme poverty, representing almost 50 percent of the nation's entire population of over 199 million. Based on the latest United Nations estimates, the nation's extreme poor are thought to be living on less than $1.90 a day, while China is making tremendous success in reducing extreme poverty.

Today, the easiest method to alleviate poverty is to create employment. As of 1990, China had a whopping 756 million of its citizens living in extreme poverty. How was China able to achieve this remarkable success of poverty reduction among its over 1.4 billion inhabitants? Simple - Chinese leaders realized the quantity of extremely poor people in the country was a timed nuclear device and decided to confront this problem head-on. Chinese officials also realized that the major existential threat for the nation was not external, but rather the nation's own unemployed masses who would soon rise up and wipe them away. How were they able to handle this?

First, the Chinese Communist Party developed a comprehensive poverty eradication plan and an implementation strategy to attain results. The plan had a five-year renewable cycle, with measurable goals, timelines for achieving similar outcomes, and rewards or sanctions for responsible officers. From the beginning, the Chinese government has owned the poverty eradication program and continues to be its main driver. The Politburo, the central government decision-making organ, developed the plan and drilled it down to the provinces, counties and rural villages. The nature of the Chinese government system makes the workability of the plan a lot faster since it is a socialist system with central authority at the Politburo. There is a nationally suitable budget for the program, which has been steadily augmented during every planning cycle of five years. For example, the budget was $41.7 billion in 2013-2017, more than double the level of the previous five years. This figure far exceeds the entire fiscal budgets of numerous African nations including Nigeria. The funds deployed in China under the poverty alleviation campaign cover numerous areas, including rural infrastructure, agricultural subsidies and discounted loans. The broad goal of such assistance is to encourage the self-development and empowerment of poor populations.

China has always attached importance to poverty eradication and human development. According to the global poverty line of $1.25 per day, from 1981 to 2013, China lifted 850 million people out of poverty, with the percentage of people living in extreme poverty falling from 88 percent to 1.85 percent. Also, a World Bank report shows that from 2012 to 2013 alone, approximately 100 million people escaped extreme poverty. That's a quarter of a million people per day, or 200 people per minute. A United Nations report asserts that China has reduced about 76 percent of the poverty across the world, making China the nation with the most people lifted out of poverty globally. This success is a result of "strong leadership and dedication" from governments at all levels, the people as well as institutions such as universities, leading to fruitful collaboration and partnerships working toward a common goal. In order to move millions of people out of poverty, the Chinese leadership made the decision to move away from the comfort zone of easy revolutionary rhetoric, took economic modernization as a central task, launched reform and opening-up, and traveled the tough terrain of "groping through the river by feeling the stones". The Chinese leadership believes in a bottom-up grassroots movement to focus mainly on boosting the standards of living for ordinary Chinese people. This can be attained in Nigeria as well.

Nigeria is in a similar stage of development as the nation is eager to escape the poverty trap and hence China does know how to deliver outstanding outcomes for Nigeria. China had experienced similar circumstances four decades ago and much of the world did not believe China would succeed. But China has proven the doubters wrong. Now it's time for Nigeria to seize the moment with China's willingness to support. China and Nigeria can join hands to march ahead on the path to prosperity. The Nigerian government needs to realize that targeting is the key to alleviating poverty, because a targeted poverty reduction strategy permits the Chinese government to identify and reach the poorest of the poor, and to provide support to help them move out of poverty. This is especially important as the Chinese government is cracking the tough nut by 2020. Also, the participation of all segments of society in China - from the government to enterprises, NGOs and ordinary people – has allowed for concerted efforts to eradicate poverty and to pursue inclusiveness in development with no one left behind. China's development provides a valuable model for Nigeria because China is willing to share with other developing nations, such as Nigeria, under the framework of South-South cooperation and the Belt and Road Initiative. To turn this into reality, the Nigerian government needs a simple and comprehensive master plan designed in a manner similar to the Chinese development strategy, with specific goals and a timeline for the attainment, which in turn should have an impact on GDP and human development. With that said, Nigeria has a second mover advantage to employ China's poverty alleviation strategy and continue attaining novel outcomes in shared development for humankind.

The author is the executive director of the Center for Nigerian Studies in the Institute of African Studies at Zhejiang Normal University.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/201904/15/WS5cb4184ca3104842260b6402.html

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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by madridguy(m): 12:33pm On Oct 02, 2019
Xi Jinping, the leader of the People's Republic of China, does not have his own aircraft but instead uses two Boeing 747-400s that belong to Air China and are regularly used for normal scheduled flights.
Here in Nigeria, Buhari alone his using like 4 aircraft and many fleet of cars. The running cost of this alone can finance a health center.

bareal:


Exactly, start by reviewing the constitution. A lot of flaws are in that sh!t.

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Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by Vince77(m): 12:33pm On Oct 02, 2019
I laugh when i read stuff like this. Some people think that our leaders don't know what to do to lift its people out of poverty or give uninterrupted power supply or make the economy very favorable.

They know all these things. But they will NEVER do it. They are greedy and wicked and love to abuse power. It is in their blood to loot. There is no love in their hearts.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by OneKinGuy(m): 12:34pm On Oct 02, 2019
MASTERCHIEF0847:


Africans have organisational problems. US is also a diverse country right from independence, Singapore, Malaysia, Brazil etc also have diversity so why are they making progress? Proves that diversity is not the issue or an excuse for non development.
All those countries except brazil has one Major ethnicity with other minority. Brazil itself is still a developing nation with high poverty rate and that because it's also has a diversity problem.

Africa's case is different. Nobody wants to be seen as a minority. Every group wants to be at the top. That's why the African continent has major number of civil wars.

Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by obiekunie2: 12:34pm On Oct 02, 2019
selemempe:
it was hard for me to believe too. What that country did is simple but it can only be done by a benevolent military govt
No democracy anywhere in the world can do it.
Even USSR was great because they were run the way China is run now

America and Europe are great because of white mentality and Christian culture...not because of democracy

Fantastic observation!

thou you and i knows such action cant work in Africa - especially Nigeria.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by ifyboy60(m): 12:34pm On Oct 02, 2019
raker300:
Compare:

Pic 1: China

Pic2: Nigeria

to be frank, China is not 70 years old. the people republic of China is 70 but China is over 2000 years.
it existed as different dynasties, like Ming, Han etc

And have always been an advanced society, they invented printing, paper currency and many ground breaking advancements.

I will rather say Israel, who got their independence in 1948 after the holocaust.
Re: Nigeria At 59: What We Can Learn From China That Is 70 Years Old by selemempe: 12:34pm On Oct 02, 2019
MASTERCHIEF0847:


My point is that it has been proven in many countries over the world that diversity cannot stop development. Singapore and Malaysia are not advanced Europe and both were former British colonies same period.
diversity can not stop development of cause... If in 1957 Western region and eastern region left they would have been miles ahead of were Nigeria has placed them today...both regions were diverse at independence.

What is holding Nigeria back is Hausa Fulani...they introduced every aspect of corruption in our country today... every aspect

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