allycat:

The figure of N801,000 I quoted is the new salary scale doctors are fighting for for not what they are receiving now, While that of the Judiciary is what they are earning now. The average consultant in the Lagos state system is on GL 15 that is CONMESS 5. The qualification required is MBBS plus at least 5- 7 years of postgraduate study . Average age being 45years. So these are people who are at the apex of the profession. Presently they earn about N280,000/month and what is being requested is N444,311.583 or N5,3million per annum.

In the 80's under Idiagbon and Buhari, there was a crises where doctors were asking for improved conditions of service and funding of teaching hospitals and at the end of the day, government crushed the strike and sacked so many doctors. Thus began the mass exodus of doctors to Saudi, Oman, UK and America from which the system has never recovered. Idiagbon God rest his soul) was later to be a victim of another strike for the same reasons. He fell ill and was rushed to Ilorin teaching hospital and doctors were on strike and he died.
Lagos State will win the battle, after all doctors have gone back to work but in the long run are going to loose the war. They will slowly but surely loose good hands and will have to do more to attract new ones.

Sagamite:

It is just ridiculous that some senior judge (not even the most senior) can earn more than double what the most senior medical officer makes.

Sagamite:

What are they fighting for? N801K per month or N444K per month?

allycat:

N801K is the amount the highest level of doctors in Nigeria is to be paid under CONMESS ( about5% of consultants and therefore about1% of doctors are at grade level 17 or Conmess 7 -step 9), N444K is what the average onsultant will take home (that is Grade level 15 or Conmess 5-step 9 ) Consultants are also less than 10% of all doctors in the system.

isale_gan2:

I do hope the doctors demands are met and they continue to serve the public that needs them desperately.  But while comparing their circumstance to the judiciary, bear in mind that we're talking about Nigeria here.  Being in the judiciary or any kind of public service or law enforcement position carries a higher risk than being a physician. 

There is greater threat to the safety of a high court judge than that of the chief surgeon at LUTH, for example.  I have family in the judiciary, let me tell you, it is no joke.  Consider this: if you are a judge who is known for never taking bribes, people think of other ways to get to you - some foolish ones think putting some powder in your chair, which some charlatan told them is juju, will harm you.  Other desperate souls will resort to actual threats on your person.  It is a profession that carries more risk and I can understand why a Judge's monetary compensation would be greater than that of a doctor in Nigeria. 

Sagamite:

Oga, I never work for Naija before. You will have to give a breakdown of these grades in regards to years of experience.

It might also help to have a full view of salary progression from Entry Level to Top Level.

GL 11CONMES 1- House officer ---1yr Post graduation
NYSC
GL12 2-Medical officer /Junior registrar------- 3rd yr post graduation
GL13 3 Senior Medical OfficerII/ Junior Registrar- ----5-6 yrs post graduation
GL14 4-SMO I/Senior Registrar---------------------------7-9yrs post graduate
GL15 5- Principal Medical OfiicerII/Consultant---------10-12 years
GL16 6-PMOI/Senior Consultant-------------------------14yrs
GL17 7-Cheif Medical Officer-------------------------------18yrs
For each grade level you will see that I put two job descriptions, the first is for those who do not go for futher postgraduate studies and rely on promotions for advancement. They spend a minimum of 3 years and a maximum of 11 years on any grade level depending on when they pass their promotion exams and the availabiltity of space in the grade level above . This is where the steps cme in, every year you are eligible to a marginal salary increment depending on the report from your superiors. This applies to all civil servants not just doctors.
For the other career path ie those that grow through academics, You become a junior registrar when you pass your primaries and get a place in a residency programme. This can happen soon after you finish your NYSC ie 3 years post graduate or in some cases as long as 10 years after graduation. You progress then from one level to the other depending on how soon you pass your exams and the minimum time before you are eligible to do an exam in any discipline is usually 3 years. For Academic consultants(those in teaching hospitals Your progression depends on how many papers you have published and there is a minimum of 3 years between promotions)
Thses years I put are about the fastest rates , very few people move that fast .
Ps I am Madame not Oga

gestapo:

fIMISILE JOO I was explicitly clear enough Okay but i no wan fight, i don dey take you shine for somewhere else, lol, so here's me frantically waving an olive branch under your ponmo lips, oya shake hands joo if you no wan make i give you uppercut

allycat:

The academic doctor receives his or her salary as a lecturer from the university and honorarium from the hospital . A Hospital Consultant starts on grade level 15 now Conmess 5, while a consultant who chooses to go academic is employed at Lecturer I level which is GL 13 and is appointed honorary Consultant to the teaching hopsital who then pays the medical allowances. such as call duty allowance. So in a teaching hospital like LUTH, UCH or LASUTH if  two consultants are employed the same day, the one who is also a lecturer earns slightly less for the two jobs than the one who is only a Consultant.
However most doctors in the teaching hospital have their reasons for being there which makes the money issue not so relevant. One is being in an academic environment where you constantly sharpen your skills and the fact that most teaching hospitals are slightly better equiped than general hospitals. Then some of us  actually enjoy teaching.
The state teaching hospitals will also face another problem if the University Lecturers salaries are not improved because that means that the basic salary of the Lecturer / Honorary Consultant and therefor the  overall salary of the lecturer will be much less than his counterparts in both Federal institutions on CONMESS [size=8pt][/size]and also other consultants within the state civil service. People would then rather migrate to even general hospitals which are never as busy as teaching hospitals or go to Federal institutions.

reindeer:

Guys, i can tell you this, the lasg pays about 117k for the same level that luth pays 202k for.
Got this info today.
Most docs i know in LASG are already planning their exit and some already left during the strike, one just arrived in the UK over the weekend.
Lagos will always get new doctors, those wanting to gain experience before moving to better things and those wishing to come to lagos from the east and other parts of Nigeria, only the patients lose out on experienced docs thats all.
God help the masses.

allycat:

The University pays the Lecturer or Prof in medicine the same as it pays the lecturer or Prof in Biology or engineering. But the lecturer or prof in medicine also has some allowances from the teaching hopital, not a full salary, These are Call duty, hazard ,teaching allowance and specialist allocation. Thses are also the same allowances recieved by the full hospital consultant. The difference now is in the basic salary. The entry point for a consultant is lecturerI (GL13) while that of a consultant in the teaching hospita is GL15. Thats why the lecturer takes home less doing for two jobs. (The teaching allowance here is not for teaching students, but for teaching, residents, nurses and whichever other medical personnel that may come your way eg students from school of health technology).
The resident recievs a teaching allowance with his salary. He is not paid to teach medical students by the university. It is just the tradition that in some centres they are encouraged to teach cos it is seen as part of their training to be consultants and also it has been found that the more you teach, the better you become.
I delibrately never sought to know the salrys of those in the Federal system cos I didnt wantto do myself longa throat.
All I know is that the salary I recieved as a snr registrar was more than my first salary as a lecturer/ hon consultant. What i have with me is the new conmess document.

allycat: The University pays the Lecturer or Prof in medicine the same as it pays the lecturer or Prof in Biology or engineering. But the lecturer or prof in medicine also has some allowances from the teaching hopital, not a full salary, These are Call duty, hazard ,teaching allowance and specialist allocation. Thses are also the same allowances recieved by the full hospital consultant. The difference now is in the basic salary. The entry point for a consultant is lecturerI (GL13) while that of a consultant in the teaching hospita is GL15. Thats why the lecturer takes home less doing for two jobs. (The teaching allowance here is not for teaching students, but for teaching, residents, nurses and whichever other medical personnel that may come your way eg students from school of health technology).
The resident recievs a teaching allowance with his salary. He is not paid to teach medical students by the university. It is just the tradition that in some centres they are encouraged to teach cos it is seen as part of their training to be consultants and also it has been found that the more you teach, the better you become.
I delibrately never sought to know the salrys of those in the Federal system cos I didnt wantto do myself longa throat.
All I know is that the salary I recieved as a snr registrar was more than my first salary as a lecturer/ hon consultant. What i have with me is the new conmess document.