The tribulation has ended, all the world is facing now is the dying spasms of a dead chicken. Involuntary reflex jerking.

Ezekiel 35:5
Because thou hast had a perpetual hatred, and hast shed the blood of the children of Israel by the force of the sword in the time of their calamity, in the time that their iniquity had an end:

As you can see above, he had a perpetual hatred and shed their blood unremittingly during the time of their calamity, and this did not abate even at the end time of the end of their calamity. Therefore:

Obadiah 10
10 For thy violence against thy brother Jacob shame shall cover thee, and thou shalt be cut off for ever.

Meanwhile, this is President Trump in this youtube video below declaring the end of the tribulations


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mKi2AOPBavU

Seun:
There will not be a great tribulation (global persecution of Christians) anytime soon because Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. Christians are more likely to be persecutors than the persecuted today. Persecution happens to minorities and the powerless; Christians are numerous and powerful.

sir the tribulation is after the rapture and not before.

Seun:
There will not be a great tribulation (global persecution of Christians) anytime soon because Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. Christians are more likely to be persecutors than the persecuted today. Persecution happens to minorities and the powerless; Christians are numerous and powerful.

this write up doesn't in any way tally. how has Christianity being the most popular religion got anything to do with the topic? Even with the fact that Christians are many yet they are still being butchered and killed by Muslim terrorists and haven't retaliated in any way. Or are you going to join Buhari with his idea that 90% of people being killed by terrorists in Nigeria are Muslims?

Alfather:
sir the tribulation is after the rapture and not before.

No Sir, the tribulation begins before rapture and climaxes into the wrath of God and reign of antichrist after rapture

BlueAngel444:


Please oh, I don't disagree with the believers will face tribulations but where in scripture did u get the and the Antichrist will rule 7years

Daniel 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (Jesus) be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come (antichrist) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (7years): and in the midst of the week (3.5 years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Number 14:34
34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

The principle of a day representing a year was set by God for prophetic purposes in few places in the bible. Marry the scriptures above together.

The antichrist will make covenant of false peace with Israel to allow them build their 3rd temple and worship freely in there. In the middle of the 1 week (7 years) which three and a half years, he will break the covenant, kill their two prophets and enter the temple to parade himself as God and ask all Israel to worship. That is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, Apostle and the Lord Jesus Christ. That is when the Israelites will understand they are in deep shit.

Revelation 11:2-3
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (three and half years).

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (three and half years), clothed in sackcloth.

2 thessalonian 2:4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

BlueAngel444:


What Daniel wrote about and what u claim he talked about are two different things.

All these false teachers and their missing last week SMH

We are all learning here. Present your submission with bible support

Seun:
There will not be a great tribulation (global persecution of Christians) anytime soon because Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. Christians are more likely to be persecutors than the persecuted today. Persecution happens to minorities and the powerless; Christians are numerous and powerful.

hm

annyplenty:


Daniel 9:26-27
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah (Jesus) be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come (antichrist) shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (7years): and in the midst of the week (3.5 years) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Number 14:34
34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.

The principle of a day representing a year was set by God for prophetic purposes in few places in the bible. Marry the scriptures above together.

The antichrist will make covenant of false peace with Israel to allow them build their 3rd temple and worship freely in there. In the middle of the 1 week (7 years) which three and a half years, he will break the covenant, kill their two prophets and enter the temple to parade himself as God and ask all Israel to worship. That is the abomination of desolation spoken of by Daniel, Apostle and the Lord Jesus Christ. That is when the Israelites will understand they are in deep shit.

Revelation 11:2-3
2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months (three and half years).

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days (three and half years), clothed in sackcloth.

2 thessalonian 2:4
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Daniel 9:27 is about Jesus Christ na

Did u ask urself which covenant? Confirm the covenant means a promised convenant.
Who died in the midst of the week that caused sacrifices to cease?

Ah sir, the temple was destroyed 70AD
Ah sir the destruction was sudden and swept through the whole city

Sir the flood fell for 40days, so 40years after Jesus the temple was destroyed.

Sir, God said 70 covenants, weeks or (shabbats)

It is a continues count, sir.

Seun:
There will not be a great tribulation (global persecution of Christians) anytime soon because Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. Christians are more likely to be persecutors than the persecuted today. Persecution happens to minorities and the powerless; Christians are numerous and powerful.

U better don't say that again. There are more Muslims in d world than Christians. How is Christianity now d most popular religion? Get ur statistics right.

annyplenty:


why did you say it has not started?

The great Tribulation is called so for a reason. It is a Worldwide persecution led by the antichrist against all who refuse his mark or worship him as it is written in Revelation Chapter 13. It therefore means that
1. The church must be taken away first and
2. The antichrist must show up.
3. literally, the great tribulation has a duration of 3 1/2 years which is the middle of 7 years according to Daniel
4. The great Tribulation will mostly be targeted against the Jews who would be saved and these jews being filled with the Holy Spirit through the second outpouring ( the first outpouring was to prepare the church in planting the seed of Christ in the world also called the early rain but the second outpouring also called the latter is for the harvest of the World also called the judgment)

Seun:
I know that God is not a God of confusion, but this stuff is way more confusing than it should be.
It’s almost as if the writers of the different books of the Bible had conflicting views about what would happen.

Besides quoting this.....y then don't you believe in God

Seun:
There will not be a great tribulation (global persecution of Christians) anytime soon because Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. Christians in a better position to be persecutors than the persecuted today. Persecution happens to minorities and the powerless; Christians are numerous and powerful.

Great tribulation does not mean Global persecuation of Christians Mr Seun.

Its the persecution of those who do not receive the number of the beast as the bible puts it.

I can assure you with the way the world is now, it very much possible as a lot of things are enforced on everyone now.

1. BVN
2. NIN
3. ATM

The globalist machinery is not so daft to propose something that people will easil suspect.

If you are wise you'ld know of far easier for one Man to rule the world now than it has ever been.

Go to cooporate organizations, the sense of Prayer and Christian fellowship has faded off, So called Christians either dont identify with rigtheousness, and are easily convinced about most secular views.

Also the Bible never called Christianity as a Religion, But a body of individuals who are christlike.

Peace.

Seun:
I know that God is not a God of confusion, but this stuff is way more confusing than it should be.
It’s almost as if the writers of the different books of the Bible had conflicting views about what would happen.

Dear Seun, Please stop the art of being the Devil's advocate(for lack of a better word).

Seek wisdom, knowledge, understanding ...They eventually lead you to TRUTH.

It should at least be humbling to you, knowing the the vast amount of things you haven't understood despite the fact that you have known a lot.

Peace

. If all the terrorism, church bombings, kidnappings, earthquakes, flooding, mass shooting, Ebola, HIV, economic recessions, rape, suicides, sexual perversion and the rest we are witnessing do not qualify to be great tribulation, I wonder what else will qualify.


I wonder why you said this?

Can you compare these above to

The way Hilter killed jews(the of the fate of the jews),

The way the Hutu killed the Tutsis in rwanda.

The way Stalin, Mao, Hugo Chavez killed people of a specific ideology or religion.

Not to talk of the early ADs.

History has repeatedly repeated itself.

And still yet , People doubt some Biblical Prophecies.

Seun:
There will not be a great tribulation (global persecution of Christians) anytime soon because Christianity is the most popular religion in the world. Christians in a better position to be persecutors than the persecuted today. Persecution happens to minorities and the powerless; Christians are numerous and powerful.

You are absolutely wrong. Christianity is one of the most popular but also most persecuted religion. And the most hate come from Satanists,
Witches, islamistss, Athiests, Communist party. They hate Christianity the most.

But it doesn't end there. The Catholic is almost 50% or more share of the Christian population.
However, all their doctrines are heretic. And even the Vatican Pope is showing signs that he might be the false prophet.

I'll just name a few:
*Supports the LGBT movement
* Has said "He'll be the first person to baptize aliens"
*He is desperately pushing for a one world/United religion. Which must take root in the new world order. Supreme Heads of all other religions are complying
*Pope Francis Invites And Watches Freakish Circus In Snake Hall
https://www.nairaland.com/5677023/pope-francis-invites-watches-freakish
*The Pope Says You Should NEVER Try To Convert An Unbeliever (among other heretic jabs directed headon against Christ's doctrines and biblical scripture)
https://www.nairaland.com/5675047/pope-says-should-never-try
*Is the chief head conducting the Blue Beam Project which would simulate a false second coming in the sky. Although considered a conspiracy theory by close minded, there are many evidences and confessions affirming this is set. It was years back I researched this but I just remembered watching "Spiderman far from home 2019" last year. You should check that movie to see what I mean.
* The Antichrist and the false prophet will work together. The false prophet will performs great signs and wonders in other to cause people to follow the Antichrist. And the United religion will.
You think it's not possible?
They've also made smart drugs that can change a person's brain, turn off or on a part of the brain remotely and plan to make it commonplace ofcourse without the knowledge of the public that it's smart.

There are many other things to be said about the Vatican pope, it's strong affliation in the U.N and E.U.

incogni2o:
. If all the terrorism, church bombings, kidnappings, earthquakes, flooding, mass shooting, Ebola, HIV, economic recessions, rape, suicides, sexual perversion and the rest we are witnessing do not qualify to be great tribulation, I wonder what else will qualify.


I wonder why you said this?

Can you compare these above to

The way Hilter killed jews(the of the fate of the jews),

The way the Hutu killed the Tutsis in rwanda.

The way Stalin, Mao, Hugo Chavez killed people of a specific ideology or religion.

Not to talk of the early ADs.

History has repeatedly repeated itself.

And still yet , People doubt some Biblical Prophecies.

The great tribulation has not happened yet. It will happen in the global New World Order after the Rapture of the Saints.

And it's called GREAT TRIBULATION for reason. It will more horrible than the most horrible era in the entire history of human existence. That was the assurance of Jesus Christ. (Matthew 24)
Every man in must be mark in the right hand or forehead. Failure to comply will be met with very greivous consequences. This will be global.

mrZENographer:


The great tribulation has not happened yet. It will happen in the global New World Order after the Rapture of the Saints.

And it's called GREAT TRIBULATION for reason. It will more horrible than the most horrible era in the entire history of human existence. That was the assurance of Jesus Christ. (Matthew 24)
Every man in must be mark in the right hand or forehead. Failure to comply will be met with very greivous consequences. This will be global.

Back your stanpoint of view with scripture; not just what you belief

annyplenty:


Back your stanpoint of view with scripture; not just what you belief

The new world order is another term for the antichrist government. Read Revelation 13.

solite3:
The new world order is another term for the antichrist government. Read Revelation 13.

quote it and explain

annyplenty:


Back your stanpoint of view with scripture; not just what you belief

2Thessalonians 2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed,

Revelation 13:16 "He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads, 17and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

Matthew 24:21 "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

annyplenty:


quote it and explain

Revelation 13:16-17 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

The new world order is a systematic reorganization of this world system in such a way that the antichrist becomes the sole ruler and is worshipped as God.


Read vs 2 carefully,

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

The dragon actually gave the beast his power and government to the beast.

Who do you think the dragon is?
He is the devil, the ruler of this world.

Also read
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, 6-12 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Note that the day being referred to as is the day of the Lord.
Jesus is not coming down to this earth until the man of sin is revealed.
However, the man of sin can not be revealed until there is a massive falling away from the faith then he that stands in the way is taken away. He that stands in the way I believe is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is allows the antichrist into the stage by taking the bride of Christ away from this earth allowing a total spiritual darkness remember the church is the only source of spiritual light on earth removing the church would mean people would not know the truth anymore.

@bold notice that devil is already working with various lies and deception to decieve people into recieving the antichrist even before it comes on stage.
How does this relate to the new world order?
Simple the new world order as is being used today refers to a time when people move away from the Judeo Christian belief system into accepting other alternative. It is when humans being to discover they dont need God but themselves as their own light. The political, economic, educational and religious spheres are used/formed into a one world government.

This is and will cause many to fall away.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

So the summary of the new world order is to establish a one world government of peace and security headed by the beast.
New world order comes in many name such as millennium (a counterfeit of that of Jesus) many refer to themselves as millennials, it can also be calles the new age, age of aquarius for those who are into new age mysticism.
Many religion/belief system are expecting this Christlike figure who will bring balance/ order/peace to this earth, from the bible this person is the antichrist. This is the secret behind these secret society such as the freemason, illuminati, knight templer etc.

@ MrSolite3

I guess you are writing to support the assertion of mrZENographer: who said that the great tribulation has not started, whom I asked to support his standpoint of view with scripture.

Every scripture you quoted up there are true and right on their own. The only thing you did not do is to make reference of them to time of rapture scripturally and I that is what I have done in few of my posts to correct erroneous beliefs.

Many believers believe that becasue it is called great tribulation, true believers should not see part of it. This is erroneous as there is no scripture to back it up. What the scripture backs up is that believers will see a part of the great tribulation before they are raptured. Let me reiterate a few again. I will reply you point by point.

solite3:


Also read
2 Thessalonians 2:3-4, 6-12 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Note that the day being referred to as is the day of the Lord.
Jesus is not coming down to this earth until the man of sin is revealed.
However, the man of sin can not be revealed until there is a massive falling away from the faith then he that stands in the way is taken away. He that stands in the way I believe is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is allows the antichrist into the stage by taking the bride of Christ away from this earth allowing a total spiritual darkness remember the church is the only source of spiritual light on earth removing the church would mean people would not know the truth anymore.


This is and will cause many to fall away.

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

I want to answer you based on the underlined parts of your response

The revelation of the man of sin is in two stages. The first stage of his revelation is given below

2 thessalonia 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (day of rapture) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

In the scripture above, the bible says the day of rapture will not come unless these two things happen

-1. believers fall away
-2. antichrist is revealed

and the bible uses two adjectives except and first to point out that it is not possible for rapture to happen except those two things happen.

The question now is 'have those two things happened'? The answer is capital 'YES'

if all these pastors anointing condoms, pants, feeding people with snakes, using humans for rituals, anointing gay bishops, preaching heresies and the rest that we see on social media does not qualify for believers falling away, I wonder what else will qualify.

The first revelation of the antichrist mentioned in this scripture is not for the whole world to recognise. It is meant for watchmen whom the Lord will reveal the identity of the man of sin to, once he risen up. However the Holy Spirit will ot allow him to operate fully as antichrist, until after rapture, because of believers that are still around.

The second revelation of the antichrist is for the whole world after the Restrainer, Who dwells in Beleivers, have been removed alongside with the believers at rapture. Then there in no one to restrain the antichrist again and then He operates fully as the antichrist

2 thessalonia 2:3
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

This explanation above agrees with Revelation 17
Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

where John saw a beast with 7 heads carrying a mystery woman. And it was revealed to John that the 7 heads are 7 kings. One the first 6 kings that had ruled before the 7th king would come back to rule as the 8th king as antichrist. If this king of fierce countenance had to rule as one of the 6 kings before the 7th king and then has to come back as antichrist as the 8th king. That is two times of his revelation.

It is the final revelation of the antichrist is remaining and that will be after rapture.

Revelation 13:8 says ALL that that dwell upon the earth, whose names are NOT written in the book of life shall worship antichrist. The question we should ask is 'Where are those whose names are written in the book of life? They have made the rapture. This is the time of the second revelation of the antichrist; the time of his revelation to whole World.

Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Consider this. I will answer the rest of your points on another day,

annyplenty:
@ MrSolite3

I guess you are writing to support the assertion of mrZENographer: who said that the great tribulation has not started, whom I asked to support his standpoint of view with scripture.

Every scripture you quoted up there are true and right on their own. The only thing you did not do is to make reference of them to time of rapture scripturally and I that is what I have done in few of my posts to correct erroneous beliefs.

you should be providing scriptures as to why you believe the great tribulation has started.

Many believers believe that becasue it is called great tribulation, true believers should not see part of it. This is erroneous as there is no scripture to back it up. What the scripture backs up is that believers will see a part of the great tribulation before they are raptured. Let me reiterate a few again. I will reply you point by point.

you seem not to understand where the term 'great Tribulation' comes from. There is no where in the bible that states Christians will partake in the great tribulation or will see apart of it, provide it, if there is. Christians throughout all ages have being passing through tribulation but non of them were termed the great tribulation. You just said great tribulation has started, voila, with no biblical proof.

I want to answer you based on the underlined parts of your response

The revelation of the man of sin is in two stages. The first stage of his revelation is given below

2 thessalonia 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day (day of rapture) shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

In the scripture above, the bible says the day of rapture will not come unless these two things happen

-1. believers fall away
-2. antichrist is revealed

and the bible uses two adjectives except and first to point out that it is not possible for rapture to happen except those two things happen.

first of all, the day of Christ is not the same as rapture. Paul was referring to the day of Christ which means the stretch of time when christ will come and reign on earth(the millennium)to the final destruction of the earth.
Secondly, true believers will not fall away and thirdly there are three events that will take place before the day of the Christ which are
1. The great apostasy
2.The restraining power removed
3. Revelation of the antichrist.
The removal of the restraining power will lead to the revelation of the antichrist and without the removal of the restraining power the antichrist cannot be revealed.

The question now is 'have those two things happened'? The answer is capital 'YES'

if all these pastors anointing condoms, pants, feeding people with snakes, using humans for rituals, anointing gay bishops, preaching heresies and the rest that we see on social media does not qualify for believers falling away, I wonder what else will qualify.

Those two things are not happening now but only one.
@bolded qualify as what? Do you know what it means for people to fall away? It means mass exodus from the Christian faith, although the activities of these false prophets will lead people to abandon the Christian faith but the activities of these false prophets are not the mass departure.

The first revelation of the antichrist mentioned in this scripture is not for the whole world to recognise. It is meant for watchmen whom the Lord will reveal the identity of the man of sin to, once he risen up. However the Holy Spirit will ot allow him to operate fully as antichrist, until after rapture, because of believers that are still around.

This is clearly unbiblical. Please provide scripture. There is nothing like partial revelation of the antichrist. The antichrist cannot be revealed until the restrainer is removed.

second revelation of the antichrist is for the whole world after the Restrainer, Who dwells in Beleivers, have been removed alongside with the believers at rapture. Then there in no one to restrain the antichrist again and then He operates fully as the antichrist

2 thessalonia 2:3
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

stop misquoting the scriptures. This your theory of partial or full revelation is not taught anywhere in the bible.

This explanation above agrees with Revelation 17
Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

where John saw a beast with 7 heads carrying a mystery woman. And it was revealed to John that the 7 heads are 7 kings. One the first 6 kings that had ruled before the 7th king would come back to rule as the 8th king as antichrist. If this king of fierce countenance had to rule as one of the 6 kings before the 7th king and then has to come back as antichrist as the 8th king. That is two times of his revelation.

It is the final revelation of the antichrist is remaining and that will be after rapture.

Revelation 13:8 says ALL that that dwell upon the earth, whose names are NOT written in the book of life shall worship antichrist. The question we should ask is 'Where are those whose names are written in the book of life? They have made the rapture. This is the time of the second revelation of the antichrist; the time of his revelation to whole World.

Revelation 13:8
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Consider this. I will answer the rest of your points on another day,

They are unrelated. Revelation 17 does not relate to what you are saying.
The bible clearly teaches that the mystery of iniquity is already at work.

2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

A mystery is something that has not being revealed. The antichrist has not yet being revealed but the signs are seen.

At coloured purple was edited to the day of Christ instead of the day of the Lord.

solite3:
you should be providing scriptures as to why you believe the great tribulation has started.

you seem not to understand where the term 'great Tribulation' comes from. There is no where in the bible that states Christians will partake in the great tribulation or will see apart of it, provide it, if there is. Christians throughout all ages have being passing through tribulation but non of them were termed the great tribulation. You just said great tribulation has started, voila, with no biblical proof.



first of all, the day of Christ is not the same as rapture. Paul was referring to the day of Christ which means the stretch of time when christ will come and reign on earth(the millennium)to the final destruction of the earth.
Secondly, true believers will not fall away and thirdly there are three events that will take place before the day of the Lord which are
1. The great apostasy
2.The restraining power removed
3. Revelation of the antichrist.
The removal of the restraining power will lead to the revelation of the antichrist and without the removal of the restraining power the antichrist cannot be revealed.

Those two things are not happening now but only one.
@bolded qualify as what? Do you know what it means for people to fall away? It means mass exodus from the Christian faith, although the activities of these false prophets will lead people to abandon the Christian faith but the activities of these false prophets are not the mass departure.

This is clearly unbiblical. Please provide scripture. There is nothing like partial revelation of the antichrist. The antichrist cannot be revealed until the restrainer is removed.

stop misquoting the scriptures. This your theory of partial or full revelation is not taught anywhere in the bible.





They are unrelated. Revelation 17 does not relate to what you are saying.
The bible clearly teaches that the mystery of iniquity is already at work.

2 Thessalonians 2:7
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

A mystery is something that has not being revealed. The antichrist has not yet being revealed but the signs are seen.

Ok. Let us not argue. I only need you to clarify some scriptures for me. And I will be supplying them one after the other.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

What does the bible mean when it says the DAY shall not come UNLESS THE MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED?

annyplenty:


Ok. Let us not argue. I only need you to clarify some scriptures for me. And I will be supplying them one after the other.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

What does the bible mean when it says the DAY shall not come UNLESS THE MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED?

the day is not about rapture but about the second coming of Christ when he will come to reward his people. Verse is self explanatory, The man of Sin must be revealed and (not half revealed )before the day of Christ

solite3:
the day is not about rapture but about the second coming of Christ when he will come to reward his people. Verse is self explanatory, The man of Sin must be revealed and (not half revealed )before the day of Christ

Thank you for your explanation. Let me ask the second question.

I quoted in my first question and I underlined THAT DAY and you told me it is the time Christ is coming to reward His people.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Now let me quote another scriptures
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

If you consider the underlines in the above, it is very clear that Apostle Paul was talking about THE DAY of RAPTURE.

Then the conversation spilled into 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4which I quote below.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that THAT DAY should overtake you as a thief.

From the tone of the continuation of Apostle Paul in chapter 5, it showed that He was still talking about rapture. The first underlined calls it the day of the Lord and says it cometh as a thief in the night. It is only the day of rapture that cometh as a thief in the night. This agrees with what He has been saying from 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. Then he summarised by saying that THAT DAY which refers to the same day of rapture he has been talking about from 1 Thessalonian 4:15-18 up to 1 thesalonian 5:1-4 shoulld not overtake them as thief.

What eplantion do you have for this and how come did you give your own 'THAT DAY' another meaning which did not tally with this in, my first question and you gave no scripture to back your explantion?

annyplenty:


Ok. Let us not argue. I only need you to clarify some scriptures for me. And I will be supplying them one after the other.

2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

What does the bible mean when it says the DAY shall not come UNLESS THE MAN OF SIN BE REVEALED?

At coloured purple was edited to the day of Christ instead of the day of the Lord.

annyplenty:


Thank you for your explanation. Let me ask the second question.

I quoted in my first question and I underlined THAT DAY and you told me it is the time Christ is coming to reward His people.
2 Thessalonians 2:3
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Now let me quote another scriptures
1 Thessalonians 4:15-18
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

If you consider the underlines in the above, it is very clear that Apostle Paul was talking about THE DAY of RAPTURE.

Then the conversation spilled into 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4which I quote below.
1 Thessalonians 5:1-4
1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that THAT DAY should overtake you as a thief.

From the tone of the continuation of Apostle Paul in chapter 5, it showed that He was still talking about rapture. The first underlined calls it the day of the Lord and says it cometh as a thief in the night. It is only the day of rapture that cometh as a thief in the night. This agrees with what He has been saying from 1 Thessalonians 4:15-18. Then he summarised by saying that THAT DAY which refers to the same day of rapture he has been talking about from 1 Thessalonian 4:15-18 up to 1 thesalonian 5:1-4 shoulld not overtake them as thief.

What eplantion do you have for this and how come did you give your own 'THAT DAY' another meaning which did not tally with this in, my first question and you gave no scripture to back your explantion?

The day of the Lord and The day of Christ are different.
The day of the Lord refers to the time period from when God will pour out his wrath on the wicked to the final destruction of the heavens and the earth. It begins at the rapture but ends at the destruction of the heavens and earth

Isaiah 13:6
Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 13:13
Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The day of the Lord is will come suddenly without any warning but the day of Christ will be not come suddenly

Compare these verses,

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Something that is sudden mean that there would be no sign, the rapture is the beginning of the day of the Lord but the second coming is part of the day of day of Christ.


2 Thessalonians 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The day of Christ is not sudden infact paul was saying that they shouldnt be afraid because the day of Christ will not come without a sign or a warning.

For the unbelivers the second coming of Christ is going to be sudden but for believers the signs are known but the day of the Lord has no sign at all so believers must be prepared for it at any moment.
1 Thessalonians 5:5-6, 8-9 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.

The day of the Lord is always associated with 'the wrath of God' of which believers are not appointed to suffer wrath.


1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

solite3:
The day of the Lord and The day of Christ are different.

The day of the Lord refers to the time period from when God will pour out his wrath on the wicked to the final destruction of the heavens and the earth. It begins at the rapture but ends at the destruction of the heavens and earth

Isaiah 13:6
Howl ye; for the day of the LORD is at hand; it shall come as a destruction from the Almighty.

Isaiah 13:9
Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.

Isaiah 13:13
Therefore I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the LORD of hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

1 Thessalonians 5:2
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The day of the Lord is will come suddenly without any warning but the day of Christ will be not come suddenly

Compare these verses,

1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

Something that is sudden mean that there would be no sign, the rapture is the beginning of the day of the Lord but the second coming is part of the day of day of Christ.

2 Thessalonians 2:2
That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

The day of Christ is not sudden infact paul was saying that they shouldnt be afraid because the day of Christ will not come without a sign or a warning.

For the unbelivers the second coming of Christ is going to be sudden but for believers the signs are known but the day of the Lord has no sign at all so believers must be prepared for it at any moment.
1 Thessalonians 5:5-6, 8-9 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.

The day of the Lord is always associated with 'the wrath of God' of which believers are not appointed to suffer wrath.

1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

From what I underlined from your comment

1. How can A DAY = TIME PERIOD? A day is as day; not the beginning of days.

2. The Day of the Lord is the of Rapture it comes suddenly become you will knot know the EXACT DAY it will happen even though God gives signs to alert us that the day is around

3. The DAY of THE LORD is the same as the DAY of CHRIST because Christ is the Lord.

4. THAT DAY, I mentioned in my question, is it the day of the Lord it is referring to or the day of Christ, according to you?

annyplenty:


From what I underlined from your comment

1. How can A DAY = TIME PERIOD? A day is as day; not the beginning of days.

A day is not usually a day in human sense, for example in 2 peter the heavens and the earth would be destroyed the day of the Lord] if the day of the Lord is one literal day, then it would mean that both the rapture and the final destruction of the heavens and the earth will occur in one human day which is not true biblically because alot of events would take place after the rapture of the church including a 1000 years of Christ reign on earth.

2. The Day of the Lord is the of Rapture it comes suddenly become you will knot know the EXACT DAY it will happen even though God gives signs to alert us that the day is around

the day of the Lord is also the day that the heavens and the earth would be destroyed.
2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

3. The DAY of THE LORD is the same as the DAY of CHRIST because Christ is the Lord.

while Christ is the Lord but the day of Christ is different from the day of the Lord. The word Christ means anointed one, the day of Christ mean the period of time Christ will come and reign on earth. It takes place after the rapture
Revelation 11:15
And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

There is also the day of God Almighty even though Christ is Almighty.

Revelation 16:14
For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

And there is also the day of God again even though Christ is God.

2 Peter 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

These different days refers to the various timelines of God in which he would fulfill his purpose, each of this days may overlap but they refers to different timeline.

4. THAT DAY, I mentioned in my question, is it the day of the Lord it is referring to or the day of Christ, according to you?

It is not according to me, check the bible if it is not correct, it is not enough to quote the bible but we must rightly divide it or else we end up misleading ourselves and our readers/audience. 'THAT DAY' in which context? Information was given as per what he meant when he said 'THAT DAY' which should not be ignored and there lies your answer.

The day of the Lord is not a one literal day but a period of time in which God is going intervene on earth.

The day of Christ is the time that Christ will personally return with the saints and also reward every believer according to their works.

The day of God Almighty the day Christ will execute the judgment of God upon the antichrist and his followers at his coming.

The day of God which begins with the destruction of the heavens and the earth (the day of the Lord ends with the destruction of the heavens and the earth), the day of God includes the final judgement, the creation of a new heaven and new earth, onwards till eternity.