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| Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by LivingSage: 3:22pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Greetings to all Nairalander! Amid this Sowore rearrest brouhaha, The Federal Government under President Buhari's Leadership has been subjected to series of word attacks. I'm a bit confused as regard the innocence or responsibility of FG on this issue. Legal luminaries and analyst should please shed more light on the issue CONSTITUTIONALY as it concerns Federal Government. Cc. Lalasticlala Cc. OAM4J Cc. Mynd44 |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by mrvitalis(m): 3:28pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
LivingSage:How much were you paid to write this thing Can u in an office take action your boss frown upon ? DSS report straight to buhari 6 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by LivingSage: 3:35pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Paid?  I wasn't paid a dime. It's not just clear whether FG has hand in this. mrvitalis: |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by NGpatriot: 3:37pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
mrvitalis: The fact that they report to the president doesn't mean the president must interfere in the affairs of the DSS. The DSS is an independent law enforcement agency. Would you also love to see the president interfere to have the DSS release arrested criminals, looters and corrupt people for any reason? Be careful what you wish for. 3 Likes |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Iamgrey5(m): 3:48pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot:Dss report to the Executive! Why did Dss refuse to obey court orders and why did the president who is the head of Executive refuse to call them to order? Please and Sowore is not a criminal yet until he is convicted by a court of law. Hence, DSS has no right to continue to hold him against his will. |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Born2Breed(f): 3:52pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Iamgrey5: Ignore those two. 4 Likes |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by NGpatriot: 4:07pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Iamgrey5: Stop blabbing and read my post again and make sure you comprehend. The fact they the DSS report to the president doesn't mean the president must interfere in the affairs of the DSS. I ask you again, would you also love to see the president interfere to have the DSS release arrested criminals, looters and corrupt people for any reason? You can not demand intervention based on what you like or dislike. 2 Likes |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by bluebay(m): 4:08pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot:Are you in this country at all? If the presidency got no hand in the DSS affairs, then what were they doing at the Senate after Saraki decamped to PDP? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by NGpatriot: 4:11pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
bluebay: Off topic. |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Blue3k(m): 4:37pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
That would have to be investigated. I believe they're acting on Buhari's orders. The main reason is nobody seems to be arrested or condemned for their actions. After everything said and done the buck stop with him as the commander in chief. 1 Like |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by NGpatriot: 4:41pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Blue3k: Heads will role, eventually, it's just a matter of time and when. |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Blue3k(m): 4:52pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot: I doubt that especially if they're just carrying out the bosses orders. It's no different from how they disobeyed court by stalling to release him despitw his lawyers protesting. Do you think these guys would just barge into court room unprompted? |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by baby124: 4:58pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
You are a joker. Do you think we are stupid? This action will backfire spectacularly trust me. Buhari and his mad unthinking cabal have stepped on the tail of a scorpion. All they are awaiting is it’s bite. Were you blind, deaf and dumb when people had been shouting for Sowore’s release? Where was the presidency all that time? DSS is acting on behalf of the presidency and the presidency must take responsibility for this. Sowore had the time to talk in court and he’s being bribed and threatened in detention. What need will Buhari and DSS have to threaten and bribe if this country was being run with honest intentions? |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by NGpatriot: 5:35pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Blue3k: I'm 100% sure that order did not come from the president, this is some overzealous DSS officials doing their own thing and they must be sanctioned. PMB rightfully by nature and policy doesn't like to interfere, but his underlings oversteps because of the president's hands off approach which at the end of the day creates bad publicity and unnecessary distractions that the president doesn't need. This incident can not go unchallenged or dealt with. 2 Likes |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by LegacyB: 5:54pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
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| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Iamgrey5(m): 6:01pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot: Perhaps you are obviously suffering from a sort of eye defect or something "Have you ever heard of the bulk stops with the leader before" Why do you think a minister could be fired after he/She must have disgraced the president! or perhaps Dss can just go on a shouting spree because it's not the job of the executive to call them to order. If the DSS refuse to obey the law and continues to defy the constitution, the leader of the Executive has to put his house in order by firing the head of the DSS which he appointed. Failure to do so means the Executive approves of the disregard for the constitution by the DSS. |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Xisnin(m): 6:04pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
LivingSage: LivinSage asking a dumb question. Wonders shall never end! You should be a LivingDullard just like your master. |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by itsme01: 6:05pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
LivingSage: EFCC and DSS are agencies Under the Presidency.. Unlike Army under ministry of defense with supervission of Legislative commitee, and Police under police affiars with legislative supervission DSS cant make any move without Presidential order unlike police that depend on IGP 1 Like |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Xisnin(m): 6:12pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot: Who cares what the figurehead in Aso Rock does? Is the DSS a law unto itself? If not why does it disobey court orders? We don't need anybody to interfere, when the court orders a suspects release, any law enforcement agency must comply. If they don't, they are acting the script of their Oga. I guess Buhari is not aware that Dasuki and Zakzaky are still in jail. The DSS just kept them without Buhari's knowledge. In fact, he his not aware that the DSS invaded a live court session. |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Nobody: 6:14pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot: Idiot 1 Like |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by NGpatriot: 6:15pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Iamgrey5: Stop babbling rubbish, there are mechanisms in place within the constitution to deal with errant public officials, we mus not always ask the presidency to interfere based on what we like or don't like. The same constitution you are quoting doesn't give the president any power to dictate to law enforcement agencies what to do or not do or how to address whatever operational challenges they encounter good or bad, that's for the judiciary to decide. not the presidency. The judiciary fined the DSS and demanded they release the man which they did and was legally rearrested contrary to the fake or propaganda video depicting arrest and scuffles inside the court. Your fake and crocodile tears anger no dey move me, I know you and what you stand for. 1 Like |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by NGpatriot: 6:15pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Iamgrey5(m): 6:22pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot:@ emboldened You that you are not obvious "blabbing" Please pray tell, what are the mechanism in place to deal with officers directly under the executive arm of government that refuse to obey other tiers of government? I mean the officers that are appointed by the executive And might I remind you that the Dss held Sowore for nearly two weeks after the court already granted him a lawful bail. And also that the DSS are already in their second court. You think you are arguing with a novice if this is your weak defence, then I guess I definitely see no reason to support APC or Buhari at this point. |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by LivingSage: 6:25pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Hmmmm. Thanks for this, I'm now informed itsme01: |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by LivingSage: 6:27pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Thanks fellow  Meanwhile, I just got this forthcoming piece from someone... I am not a Legal Practitioner but Sowore's acts & reactions have some implications & sentiments should be avoided. Below is analysis of legal implications of his actions: SOWORE COMMITTED THREE EXTRA CHARGES TODAY Dec 6, 2019 Don't start what you cannot finish. I warned Sowore when he started this game when I asked him what exactly is this #RevolutionNow all about? However, I went further to warn Sowore that what he was pushing himself into is a COUP d'état but he wouldn't listen. Well, the unfortunate thing happened and Sowore played into the hands of the State. On July 25, 2019, Sowore clearly said & I quote "Don't tell me about legal implications or what a Judge will say. I don't care..". Now the game is still on and Sowore will have to care about legal implications or what a Judge will say. Let's be clear, what Sowore did by calling and leading #RevolutionNow a few months after losing an election that he was part of would never be tolerated anywhere in the world. As a matter of fact, if he has done that in the USA, he would have been picked up before leaving any Studio. Look at it this way: Hillary Clinton lost an election to Trump. Hillary now went ahead to meet with a fugitive that's running away from the USA Government on a case of treason outside the shore of the USA just a few months after the Presidential election. Then Hillary was bold enough to show the video clip online and categorically said she had a secret conversation with the fugitive and they both agreed on some things. Then Hillary now returned to the America to lead what was tagged #RevolutionNow. Trust me, Hillary will be forgotten in prison because that's treason. That's exatly what Sowore did by meeting with a Fugitive Nnamdi Kanu, then coming to Nigeria afterward. That aside, Sowore was arrested and after back and forth, he was released yesterday. He was to be in court today and that happened. Sowore was to be rearrested by the Department of State Security DSS and the next thing was to run inside the court . Was there a warrant of arrest and did Sowore's lawyer know this? If Sowore's lawyer knew this, why would he ask Sowore to resist arrest on fresh charges or is there a law that says he cannot be arrested on fresh charges because he already had some in court? Did you notice that his lawyers later decided to follow DSS to their office after the whole drama in the court room? What exactly was the game plan by Sowore's team? They had already vacated the court hall and another case was being called when he ran back, created a scene we just watched just to evade arrest and have public sympathy. Sowore simply violated the law with the aid of his lawyers. That law is the law unfortunately, Sowore is in for a long run. Well, for today, Sowore won the game and public sympathy. Unfortunately what Sowore did today may lead to three different charges apart from whatever charges they already had against him: 1. RESISTING ARREST: Let me quote Sowore's lawyer Femi Falana (SAN) “The atmosphere was very rowdy, but I insisted that the arrest could not be carried out within the precinct of the court. He was going to be arrested outside the premises but there was a crowd that resisted the arrest, but I appealed to everybody and asked Sowore to jump into my car and so we drove to the office of the SSS because they said he will just answer a few questions, but now he is being detained. “We are going to take steps under the law by asking for his release again since they are claiming this is a fresh arrest. I hope we are all aware that resisting arrest is an offence punishable under the law of Nigeria and even any nation we can call "saner clime"? That drama you just watched in the court room that led to the scuffle will eventually be used against him. RESISTING ARREST. 2. ASSAULT ON DSS OFFICER: Unfortunately emotion will soon run out and reality will set in. That same video clip showed that the DSS officer holding Sowore was assaulted. Don't abuse me yet, I'm just showing you what will eventually happen beyond emotional game. Once you assault a security officer any any CLIME, you have broken the law and will be charged accordingly. 3. VIOLATION OF BAIL CONDITION: Part of Sowore's bail condition was that he must not grant any interview. That video clip you watched online where he granted. Here's what Sowore said in the interview: “It might be my only word on the record before they kill me; this is an attempt to assassinate me in court. They came with guns and they tried to shoot and they dragged me down in front of a judge after I have been granted bail. “I said it that these are a bunch of lawless people and they were reluctant to respect the order of the court. Now they have shown it to the whole world. “They tried to break me in prison, sent delegations to me, offering all kinds of things and I refused and they promised that I will not walk out of their detention alive and that is what they have come to implement today.” The #RevolutionNow convener urged Nigerians not to be afraid and some people have to make the sacrifice for the Country to work. “What is important for Nigerians to know is that I am not going to give up until every Nigerian benefit from a country that is theirs and I have made it very clear. “Nobody in Nigeria should be afraid, it is our country and some people have to make the sacrifice for this country to be a country of rule, law and of dignity; and this also involves even judges, if suspects who have been given bail are not safe in court, the judges themselves are not safe.” He explained that the sudden exit of justice Ojukwu is due to the manner at which the DSS operatives had caused a scene inside the courtroom. “That is why the judge had to retire hurriedly into her chambers. “We urge you to hang around so that you can witness this historic day in Nigeria.” Well, Sunny Ade said and I quote his song: "Won lomode o mela Olohun Mela katakata Laimo pe ela kata kata oooo Oba Ija ni" i.e They said a Child does not know "ela" the child said he knows "ela katakata". Not knowing that "ela katakata" is the king of battle/fight. Painful, this game is not going to be over so soon, I wish Sowore a strong spirit and enough strategy to sort this out diplomatically. Xisnin: |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Blue3k(m): 6:31pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
Iamgrey5: Impeachment is the only option. The way the laws are made the officers of the president only answer to him. NASS would have to amend constitution to be able to inpeach officers of president like they able to United States without his input. 1 Like 1 Share
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| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by gaddafe(m): 6:46pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot: From what you wrote, it appears you don't know the primary duty of the DSS. Common! We are talking of the DSS here not the police or EFCC |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by alezzy13: 6:48pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot: In practice the DSS is supposed to report to the NSA, who then reports to the president. If for the any reason the DSS is acting rouge then we expect swift, decisive action, as was the case when the previous DG was sacked. But now over 24hours not a single word from FG. Instead what we're seeing are Lauretta Onochie already making empty noise all over the place. We should condemn what should be condemned, and this episode is the height of all actions. Those images were sickening to watch in a constitutional democracy. It is barbaric. It is shameful. |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Nobody: 6:49pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot:did you skip school?? |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by Nobody: 6:52pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot:you really don't understand how Government works right?? |
| Re: Sowore: Does It Really Concern Presidency by itsme01: 6:54pm On Dec 07, 2019 |
NGpatriot: Why dont you read the DSS act online before defending the indefendable let me get things straight to you DSS cant act without explicit orders from the president same way Airforce can make an airstrike without the explicit orders of the president this is why lawal daura got fired NSO , SSS and Now DSS is a department of the presidency Like Code of Conduct Burea, or office of the special adivesers or Aso rock Laison offices Nationwide |
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