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Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 2:37pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
2kaybiel: Be a lie buster! Show us the lies! |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by DanDeeBoss(m): 3:48pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
AntiChristian:Reason why I asked if you are an atheist or not..... |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by aadoiza: 7:22pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
Omo, this AntiChristian guy too know Bible. |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Hismasterpiece(m): 9:09pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
aadoiza: LOL.. Seems he's a backslider.. He's just going through a phase... He will still return to God... He'll still return to Jesus. I was like him last year.. He'll change. Amen! |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by DoctorAlien(m): 10:53pm On Dec 14, 2019 |
OP, you just listed the conditions of the old covenant, a covenant based on promises that were not so good. In fact the old covenant was based on the hard-hearted, stiff-necked, self-righteous promise of the children of Israel that "All that Jehovah hath spoken we will do." They said this three good times in Exodus 19:8, Exodus 24:3 and Exodus 24:7. I will not go deep into theology but this is in fact the words of a man or a people who still trust in their own ability to fulfill perfectly God's requirements, who are yet to understand their need of help in form of a Saviour/Redeemer in whom they have to place faith. Another way to say it is that those are the words of a man who trusts in his own works. Indeed ever since the fall, God has been trying to get man to see his need in his fallen state of a Redeemer who will both redeem him from the condemnation of breaking the moral law in the first place, and give him power to live in harmony with God's commandments. However, what has been the case? From Cain till now there has never been want of men who still trust in their ability to keep God's commandments. And what better way to teach man his need of a Saviour, not just to deliver him from condemnation of breaking the law, but also to help him abide by God's commandments, than to enter into a covenant with him which required him to keep the laws given to him, and receive blessings or break them, and receive punishments (which punishments would have been their just reward for transgression in the first place had God decided to leave them on their own to face the moral law)? So the old covenant (which the children of Israel willfully entered) was essentially a covenant of do and live, do not and die (which death you deserve even without the covenant anyway, because you have broken God's moral law). Three times God gave them opportunity to admit their inability to keep perfectly His requirements: before He proclaimed the 10 Commandments, after Moses had told them the additional laws which God gave, and after Moses read all the laws which God had given from a book after putting them in writing. (Exodus 19:8; 24:3; 24:7). In each occasion, the reply was the same: "all that the Lord has said, we will do." Did the children of Israel keep the covenant? Emphatic NO! They couldn't keep it. But pious men throughout the Old Testament saw their need for the Redeemer, and looked forward to Him whose was coming was announced immediately after the fall, as early as Genesis 3:15. However, the new covenant were based on God's better promises. Hear God speak: "Behold, the days come, saith Jehovah, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was a husband unto them, saith Jehovah. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith Jehovah: I will put my law in their inward parts, and in their heart will I write it; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people: and they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, Know Jehovah; for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith Jehovah: for I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin will I remember no more." ASV — Jeremiah 31:31 - 34 So in the new covenant, God promises by a special power (received by faith in Christ) to etch His moral law on the heart of the believer, so that the heart would be transformed to be in harmony with God's law. Such is God's love for erring man. OP, you can still choose to respond to His love today. |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 7:05am On Dec 15, 2019 |
Hismasterpiece: Return to where? Return to which God? To which Jesus? You mean the God that killed his son to save the other creations he created? . This looks like those dibia/babalawo movies! Christianity is similar to idolatory. One dibia can sacrifice someone to save others. 1 Like |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Nobody: 8:08am On Dec 15, 2019 |
AntiChristian: Well sometimes a person might misconstrue the vital concept of a document if not guided! I have also read the Bible but got a totally different outlook, perhaps those who guided me or let's say taught me weren't skillful enough to reach a comprehensive conclusion when studying the Bible with me. That's why i'll love to share your experience by considering the stories, thoughts and feelings of the servants of the Israelites God, then compare to the thought and feelings of their God so that we can arrive at a better more complacent conclusion on the book! But if you've discussed with me (Maximus) before (perhaps under the pretext of another profile) and you feel intimidated by the power of reasoning i exhibited well it simply means what's written in the Bible is not just based on credulity, that is the sign of true FAITH that's powerful enough to silence all other religious books anyone can think of! Isaiah 54:17 |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 9:53am On Dec 15, 2019 |
DoctorAlien: Na dibia/babalawo they request for human blood not God. God should have the power to do all things without restrictions. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by DoctorAlien(m): 11:12am On Dec 15, 2019 |
AntiChristian: But God did not at anytime request for human blood. Or did He? 1 Like |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 1:16pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
DoctorAlien: Them talk say he killed his begotten son to save his other sons and daughters! 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Kobojunkie: 10:53pm On Nov 21, 2023 |
AntiChristian:God judged the Israelites and imposed those curses on them from 1900 years ago. Do you see israelites around today complaining that the punishment was too great for their wickedness against God? |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 8:05am On Dec 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Are the Israelites still alive make I ask them? |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Kobojunkie: 1:33pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
AntiChristian:The man sitting walking right in front of you might be one of them. Go ask him. |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 7:31pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: You mean invisible Jesus? |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Kobojunkie: 7:38pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
AntiChristian:What in the world is an invisible Jesus again? |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 7:40pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Kobojunkie: |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Kobojunkie: 7:43pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
AntiChristian:.... I see that one went flying right over your head. That statement was said to mean that the next human you encounter may just be of the blood of Israel. |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 7:48pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: There's no one when I read it. So I thought you were thinking about invisible Yeshua! |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Kobojunkie: 7:50pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
AntiChristian:I am just stunned at how your thought went straight to creating the idea of an invisible Jesus. |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 7:54pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie:Is Jesus visible before? 1 Like |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Kobojunkie: 8:01pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
AntiChristian:So, Jesus Christ was never visible? |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 9:07pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Kobojunkie: 9:14pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Last we read, the guy left Earth over 1900 years ago. So what do you mean visible then and not now?
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Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 9:16pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Visible about 2000 years ago! Invisible now! |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Kobojunkie: 9:17pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
AntiChristian:When a person leaves the earth, the person becomes invisible. Is that it? |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 9:57pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
Kobojunkie: Yes! |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by Kobojunkie: 10:10pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
AntiChristian:Oh boy! |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by TenQ: 11:48pm On Dec 01, 2023 |
AntiChristian:1. Your ignorance of scriptural truths never cease to amaze me as your lack of the understanding of Israel as a nation being the child of God is confusing both to you and your prophet Mohammed. 2. Your Strawman Argument is simply the characteristics of you and your prophet knowing that the same spirit that made him recite the satanic verses in the Qur'an reigns in you a. Show me a single natiotin the whole world where God made a covenant with any nation on earth. Exodus 19-24, God makes a covenant with the Israelites at Mount Sinai through Moses. This covenant includes the Ten Commandments and various laws that would govern the nation. b. The condition of covenant of God with Israel as a nation include both Blessings and Curses depending on the response of Israel to the rule of God. c. It is therefore a Strawman Argument to claim "I will basically post what the Christian God will do as a punishment to those who wouldn't follow him:" Except you can show me from the Bible how the covenant of God applies to Mecca or Medina or another nation. I am waiting! The children of perdition will get themselves lost by rejecting the Messiah for a person whose God is his belly, sex and vanities |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 8:26am On Dec 02, 2023 |
TenQ: I don't wish to worship the God who makes covenant with only one tribe/race! That's discrimination! The God I worship is not the God of Israel alone but the God of all that exists! And you didn't even touch the post. Did your God say those things or He didn't? Always abusive and deflecting! 1 Like |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by TenQ: 11:59am On Dec 02, 2023 |
AntiChristian:You seem to be more knowledgeable than both your prophet and Allah for they accept the book wherein it is stated that God chose Israel so that through Israel as a descendant of Abraham the whole earth shall be blessed. I congratulate you on your achievement in at least being more knowledgeable that the ones you worship |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by AntiChristian: 12:46pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
TenQ: Capping Nonsense as usual! 1 Like |
Re: Punishment for not following YHWH in the Old Testament by TenQ: 12:55pm On Dec 02, 2023 |
AntiChristian:I doff my hat for you na! Wiser than his prophet! |
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