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Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by BlueAngel444: 5:30pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
Lotechi: Laziness and the inability to actually pick up a book or even a hoe, so consume whatever from whoever |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by OkCornel(m): 5:34pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
BlueAngel444: Exactly bro, these manipulators deliberately withhold information and sell corrupted truths to brainwashed people. Anyways, it’s those who have the scriptures right in their front, with a functioning God given brain that allows themselves to be deceived I really laugh at. They don’t realise how hilarious it is seeing them defending obvious lies. |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by OkCornel(m): 5:37pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
BlueAngel444: God bless bro. All glory unto Him that reveals the Truth. |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by kareemkamil(m): 5:39pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
Tithing is bad, because Luke 12-42 and Matthew 23-23 against it. |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by BlueAngel444: 5:46pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
OkCornel: They lie to people, because they were either 1. Lied to 2. Know human nature, Notice how people don't have proof for even 50% of what they claim to believe but when something contradicts that belief they ask for proof 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by farolee(m): 5:48pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
It only in Nigeria people attached tithing oh.Even the Jewish in America pay sakat to Isreal. 1 Like |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by OkCornel(m): 5:50pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
BlueAngel444: One of the basic flaws in a typical Sapien’s mind. Being honest enough to admit “I don’t know” won’t kill anyone. |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by Ishilove: 6:20pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
PervertProphet:You have spoken well. I have vowed not to engage anyone who tells me to defend the revelation because that is carnality. I am answerable only to God who saw it fit to open eyes and kill my ignorance. The purest and most profound truths are the ones which are revealed directly from the Holy Spirit and the Creator of the Seven Universes. Nobody adviced me to pay tithe. It is God himself who told me. That one is just an empty barrel making noise and leading people astray. I pity his followers. 2 Likes |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by tonysunkan: 7:33pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by BlueAngel444: 7:53pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
Ishilove: Hmmm, please even Muslims who claim Jesus reveals himself to, usually say He refers them to scripture... If "God" Himself did then share your revelation or why mention it in the first place |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by BlueAngel444: 7:55pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
PervertProphet: Oh so it pervertprophet not perfectprophet I see |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by Homers123(m): 7:56pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
tonysunkan:You mean brain washed folks? |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by TrumpDonald2: 8:46pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
Pauldollars:Apart from Malachi 3:10, can you quote another passage to buttress your point? |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by openmine(m): 9:11pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
loswhite:True |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by MuttleyLaff: 9:30pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
loswhite:Tithing was a law and the law was meant for the purpose of those who had no inheritance out of the Promised Land period, lol. The Pharisees, rightly so, as according to the law, are expected to tithe, so Jesus endorses tithing in their case, lol, however Jesus wouldnt support all these jagbajantis sense of entitlement to obligatory or imposed ecclesiastical monitised tithing going around the place here, lol openmine:Jesus would speak against tithing and it wouldnt have been blasphemy, if it is not applicable to a person, just as like He, as a carpenter or His disciples as fishermen weren't tithing and werent expected to tithe, lol. |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by Nobody: 10:27pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
Kingzeez10:Masturbation is not good.. Don't joke about it!! |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by BlueAngel444: 10:36pm On Dec 15, 2019 |
PervertProphet: Lol |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by openmine(m): 12:08am On Dec 16, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:Like you said,Tithe is a law....aside tithe,there were other laws which he was under! So we could conclude he spoke as one under the law hence his response to tithing! |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by Nobody: 1:47am On Dec 16, 2019 |
OkCornel:Sorry about the delay bro. I can see that you have already completed your response, so let me quickly get to mine. From your response It's clear that we both agree that giving by those of the church is not a voluntary thing but compulsory, to the extent that not doing so could deprive one of eternal life, hence it was a commandment giving by Jesus which must be kept. So the next thing is how much? Now we already know that there's a percentage for tithes which is a least ten percent as commanded in the Law, so how about that for the church as commanded by Jesus? Was there any percentage required or was it just any amount, so that someone could give 0.1 percent, and someone else could give 99.9 percent and both would have kept the same instruction? I believe God gave a required percentage, hence my quoting the instances of Jesus commandment to the church about giving, to show that it was a minimum of a hundred percent which He commanded. And that was significantly higher than the minimum of ten percent that was required by the Law for tithes, but unsurprisingly so since the Law Jesus brought was a huge upgrade to the Law of Moses, so it was only normal that it would be require much more. And that was what Jesus asked of the rich man you spoke of who could easily meet the requirements of the Law which demanded ten percent, but when it came to that of Jesus which required a hundred percent, it proved too much for him to scale. It's easy to criticize the rich man for falling short of the requirement of the Law of Jesus which is a hundred percent, but the Truth is that it's easier said than done, because the hundred percent which Jesus asks of those of His church is very hard to meet compared to that which the Law requires which is ten percent as the rich man showed on that occasion. So does that mean that people as that rich man who are not able to meet the hundred percent which Jesus asks of those of His church, should no longer give God even the tithes ten percent they are able to meet? I believe that anyone who has not given God the minimum of a hundred percent that Jesus asks of those of His church are yet at the level of tithes which is ten percent, and hence have not yet entered into the Kingdom of God. When I say enter into the Kingdom of God, I don't mean being saved or having eternal life, for from the conversation that Jesus had with the rich man, it clearly showed that what the Laws required which was the ten percent was enough to get him that. So that's not what i mean when i say the kingdom of God, but that which required a hundred percent from him to be able to enter, which he couldn't meet, that's the Kingdom of God. Matthew 19:17, 21-24. And the hundred percent that Jesus commanded which the rich man to give he fell short of, was the same requirement which His disciples had met to be able to enter into the Kingdom of God. Matthew 19:27-29 Now I already gave you the instance of Abraham with Isaac to illustrate what giving God a hundred percent meant, for Abraham was said to have obeyed God voice despite him not killing Isaac physically as God had commanded to do... so that also applies to giving God a hundred percent, for it doesn't necessarily mean physically, but it must be done mentally. So there's a possibility that Jesus could have done same and stopped the rich man from carrying it out physically, had the man accepted to do what He commanded him to do, because he had already done it in his mind. So the man would have obeyed His voice and given God the hundred percent that it required for him to enter into the Kingdom of God without having to do so literally. The mentality is the primary objective, so someone may not necessarily have to give God a hundred percent physically, but the mindset is crucial and I believe that was the standard Jesus required for His church, that which it had then at the beginning that informed her orientation. But unfortunately the standard of the church has crashed from the hundred percent it was at the time to the ten percent it is today. So does that mean we should stop people of the church from giving God the ten percent the Law requires, because they are not able to meet the hundred percent required by kingdom of God which is supposed to be the standard of the church? Thanks and God bless. |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by MSesan: 4:37am On Dec 16, 2019 |
Well in the world we are today, it seems tithes is a bad thing. Because people that we're donating our tithe to are buying jets, building mansions, driving luxurious cars. Meanwhile, for us that donated still wearing slippers, living in a rented apartment, struggling for a cab. Is tithes not meant to be sharing among the poor |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by MuttleyLaff: 8:50am On Dec 16, 2019 |
openmine:It's not like I said, because it was loswhite who first said "tithe is a law". I merely echoed what he said because I accept and know this as a fact, that it is a law and had a purpose, which primarily was for e welfare and/well being of the Levites, who had no landed inheritance in the Promised Land, Canaan in Israel. openmine:Birds born in cages, think that flying is a disease. Of course, there were other laws He was under, but Jesus as for this the tithing law, as a carpenter, Jesus was never under it. Wait, let's do it this way. Lets both carefully examine together the intricacy of how the talk and/or why the subject of tithing at Matthew 23:23 and Luke 11:42 crept into the discussion Jesus initiated with the crowds and His disciples at Matthew 23:1 Left to Jesus, He wouldnt have raise the subject of tithing, if not because the hypocrites Pharisees, who a first one in his mind at Luke 11:37-38 was wondering in His mind why Jesus did not first wash before the meal and then after another set of Pharisees and teachers of religious law at Mark 7:5, began to challenge and questioning Jesus over why His disciples arent washing their hands, cleaning themselves up first before eating (i.e. eat without first performing the hand-washing ceremony) The funniest thing about this all, is that, the hand-washing ceremony isnt even a law, that the Pharisees were getting sore about. It isnt a God given law, but is just a Pharisaic standard of ceremonial purity, that had nothing to do with a God given religion law and not even with any of the Levitical Laws, but is only a Pharisaic tradition and Oral Law, a mere man-made, tradition of the elders, lol. So anyway, it was when after the Pharisee, at Luke 11:37-38 had raised this objection in his mind and the Pharisees and teachers of religious law, at Mark 7:5 openly raised their concerns to Jesus that He used tithe to publicly criticize them all using ridicule, irony and sarcasm to do that He, Jesus, at Matthew 23:1, called the crowds and His disciples together and began to warn them about the Pharisees and teachers of religious law, whom He said disregard the commandment of God to keep the tradition of men and then from Matthew 23:13, He started raining curses upon the Pharisees and teachers of religious law, right up to Matthew 23:23 He did, and which is the point at where He ridiculed the Pharisees and teachers of religious with the mention of tithing and then continued thereon further cursing them more, until Matthew 23:29, lol. openmine:He did not speak as one under a tithing law. Like I've previously said, the mention of tithing was an accident. It wasnt expectedly planned. It really was no response to tithing, as nobody and/or no one asked Him questions about tithing, lol. He used tithing to poke and make fun of them for their misplaced priorities. He was not teaching tithing, He was teaching get your priorities right, lol. Praise God Alleluia. |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by OkCornel(m): 9:01am On Dec 16, 2019 |
jesusjnr: Good morning bro, hope you rested well. I’ve gone through this and would reply later today, perhaps when I’m in transit. Do have a great day ahead! 1 Like |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by Nobody: 9:07am On Dec 16, 2019 |
OkCornel:Good morning ma broda. I'm fine thanks. No worries. Have a glorious day yourself. |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by joshuaprice153: 10:04am On Dec 16, 2019 |
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Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by MuttleyLaff: 10:16am On Dec 16, 2019 |
fao and fyi openmine I earlier until now got banned for quoting your post and responding to it, so if you have to respond to mine, don't quote it, don't touch it, so copy out into a fresh and new post whatever in my post you want and/or need to address. This advance warning is also for the benefit of other interested interlocutors on this thread. |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by openmine(m): 10:29am On Dec 16, 2019 |
MuttleyLaff:What's the meaning all these Mr Muttleylaff? Have I suddenly turned to a mod? ....I don't have time for all these unnecessary info! Go and ask the mod why you received a ban! |
Re: Is Tithing Now A Bad Thing Because Men Abuse Tithes? by Nobody: 12:16pm On Dec 16, 2019 |
loswhite:It's blasphemy to say that Jesus was under the Law, because the Law was under Jesus! You are entitled to believe whatever you want, but that saying of Jesus about tithes proved that He wasn't against tithing even if you are. You can still prove me wrong by showing me one instance where He spoke against tithing as He had done concerning several other Laws. |
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