sagenaija:

But Allah said he would use disbelievers to pay for the sins of Moslems. What does that tell you if not substitution?

Quote the verses please that looks like your Lord having a son and then commiting murder by sending his son to die.

sagenaija:

Jehovah gave one perfect sacrifice - the Lamb of God - for the sins of the world. And he resurrected him when his work was done.
Allah on the other hand wants to sacrifice millions of disbelievers to save his slaves. How does that measure up with you? Which is more irrational?

Just like dibias and babalawo requests for lamb, sheep, goat for sacrifice right?

If you become a father you can murderer your son too?

sagenaija:

Yet you see Allah describing himself in his creatures form. Are you thinking about what you are writing?
If you choose not to describe him in his creatures form does that preclude the fact that Allah himself has done do?
Do you see why i talked about you guys NEVER being rational?

He describes Himself and everything in the best way we can understand.

And where is the form he described Himself? Having hands doesn't state how the hands look like! Our imagination is Allaah's hands are as it befits His majesty!

We can't describe Him as your Lord was described.

Psalm 78:65
Then the LORD awaked as one out of sleep, and like a mighty man that shouts by reason of wine.

then

Psalm 7:6
Arise, O LORD, in thine anger, lift up thyself because of the rage of mine enemies: and awake for me to the judgment that thou hast commanded.

Psalm 44:23
Awake, why sleepest thou, O Lord? arise, cast us not off for ever.

Isaiah 51:9
Awake, awake, put on strength, O arm of the LORD; awake, as in the ancient days, in the generations of old. Art thou not it that hath cut Rahab, and wounded the dragon?

and like

Isaiah 42:13,14
The LORD shall go forth as a mighty man, he shall stir up jealousy like a man of war: he shall cry, yea, roar; he shall prevail against his enemies…

sagenaija:

Again, you simply have your own IDEA of Islam different from what Islam's books actually portray. And you've chosen to run with your 'whitewashed' Islam.
smh!

You never quoted any verse. You just keep bringing falsehood as you guys are skillful in.

To you is your Lord Jehovah wey get son Jesus that He allegedly sentenced to death!

To us is Allaah, who is far from having offspring or patner, the Lord of all that exists.

Bye.

fortran12:


Stop cherry picking parts and tell the whole story.
In islam allah gave Mohammad a command to fight people. Jesus never had such a command.
Jesus said " come unto me all you that are heavy labored and i will give you rest" . did Mohammed ever mention anything related or close?
Stop defending this violent man.
The cure for corona is going to be made from physical things so your corona illustration does not relate.
In this world there are 2 states: visible and invisible , physical and spiritual. There is no 3rd state. Its like in physics objects can only be static or in motion there is no 3rd state cos it will make no sense. All spiritual beings can see themselves. Spirits can see physical things and not vice versa. Allah is neither physical nor a spirit. He does not exist.
See the critical analysis i have given you. You can't disprove it.

I already knew you will run away from your Bible verse and you will not be able to answer my questions!

Your Satan, Angel and Jinns are spirit as well as your LORD. Can they all see one another?

When Satan went with Angels to the Lord in Job did he saw the LORD?

The LORD ordered those killings on those verses. Where was Jesus then when his father was commanding death?

Oya run away from this and change the narrative!

AntiChristian:


I already knew you will run away from your Bible verse and you will not be able to answer my questions!

Your Satan, Angel and Jinns are spirit as well as your LORD. Can they all see one another?

When Satan went with Angels to the Lord in Job did he saw the LORD?

The LORD ordered those killings on those verses. Where was Jesus then when his father was commanding death?

Oya run away from this and change the narrative!

Who is running? i asked you to put the story in its proper context. Anyone can just choose any text and make claims. Put out the whole story then critically analyse it.
As for the Spirit one, its common sense that only 2 forms exist.You just seem fixated on who is seeing who. Eg I am human , Trump is human we can see ourselves. It does not mean I have access to him . Both of us commenting on this site can see ourselves, I can communicate with you via different media. That is what I mean by "they can see themselves"
Check out all our previous topics and show me when I ran away

AntiChristian:
The Biblical Jesus Told his Disciples to Take a Donkey and Colt Without the Owner's Permission

Matthew 21:1-3
As they approached Jerusalem and came to Bethphage on the Mount of Olives, Jesus sent two disciples, 2saying to them, "Go to the village ahead of you, and at once you will find a donkey tied there, with her colt by her. Untie them and bring them to me. 3If anyone says anything to you, tell him that the Lord needs them, and he will send them right away."

I don't think that Jesus' orders were ethical at this point. You must ask the owner for permission to borrow something from him or at least buy it or rent it from him. Some will argue that Jesus needed the donkey to fulfill a prophecy. But why would God want Jesus to commit a sin in order to fulfill a prophecy?

Really?!.

Who is the owner of the donkey?.

When the disciples told the supposed 'owner' of the Donkey that the Lord needed it, what was the 'owner's reply or reaction?.

So you mean that, if God says, I want to take 'your' life from you now, he would have to tell you first, to seek your permission?. How many times have you seen that happen?.

Brother/sister, all things belong to God and he gives it to us on trust basis and as he pleases. Have you ever had this phrase, 'The Lord giveth, the Lord has taken... 'usually after someone dies?.

The said donkey had never been ridden on before, can you explain why that was so?, because donkeys were for carrying loads in those days, so how come this particular one was not being used for all the while until then?, yeah, it was a young donkey.

How could you tell that the owner had not been aware of the use of that donkey, then why did he just let it go to total strangers who simply said 'the Lord needs it'?. So you're saying that if some men come to your house now and say hey man, the Lord needs your brand new car you've not even driven in before, you would just release it to them without asking any questions?. I doubt you would. God speaks to people in different ways, I hope you know that. You and I can not tell what had happened prior to that time it's therefore unwise to even think let alone summise that God asked Jesus to commit sin to fulfill prophecy. How could you even entertain such thought?.

God owns everything including your life and time. It is an honour for the king of glory to ask you to give him what you consider 'yours'. It never truly was yours, it's His.

AntiChristian:

He describes Himself and everything in the best way we can understand.

And where is the form he described Himself? Having hands doesn't state how the hands look like! Our imagination is Allaah's hands are as it befits His majesty!

You never quoted any verse. You just keep bringing falsehood as you guys are skillful in.

To us is Allaah, who is far from having offspring or patner, the Lord of all that exists.
Bye.

I know that many of you don't even know what is in your books. So when we tell you the next thing is "Show us!". You are either too lazy to confirm what you are told from even your books or you are simply deceitful.

And when we show you from you books you begin to engage in rigmarole.

Look at Allah saying he would use Jews and the Christians to pay for the sins of Moslems:
Abu Burda reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with AS HEAVY SINS AS A MOUNTAIN, and Allah would FORGIVE THEM and He would PLACE IN THEIR STEAD the Jews and the Christians. (As far as I think), Abu Raub said: I do not know as to who is in doubt. Abu Burda said: I narrated it to 'Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz, whereupon he said: Was it your father who narrated it to you from Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him)? I said: Yes. (Sahih Muslim, Book 037, Number 6668)

See here that Allah believes in substitutionary atonement (i.e. giving one thing in place of another):
Then We gave him the good tidings of a prudent boy; and when he had reached the age of running with him, he said, ‘My son, I see in a dream that I shall sacrifice thee; consider, what thinkest thou?’ He said, ‘My father, do as thou art bidden; thou shalt find me, God willing, one of the steadfast.’ When they had surrendered, and he flung him upon his brow, We called unto him, ‘Abraham, thou hast confirmed the vision; even so We recompense the good-doers. This is indeed the manifest trial.’ And We RANSOMED him with a MIGHTY SACRIFICE, and left for him among the later folk. ‘Peace be upon Abraham!’ S. 37:101-109 A.J. Arberry

I know that Allah is not a father to any Moslem; maybe that is why he is ready to sacrifice millions of disbelievers for his SLAVES.

So again I ask you: Which is more irrational one perfect sacrifice for all mankind or millions of people to ransome Moslems?

On the issue of describing Allah in his creatures form:
"Indeed, those who pledge allegiance to you, [O Muhammad] - they are actually pledging allegiance to Allah . The hand of Allah is over their hands." Q. 48:10

Creatures have hands. Allah has hands. So, how do you want to "reinterpret" this using your miracle of Islamic reinterpretation?

A bonus for you, AntiChristian, on who your Allah is:
Does the Quran Allow Marriage to Children?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yr5EngHWNs

fortran12:



Who is running? i asked you to put the story in its proper context. Anyone can just choose any text and make claims. Put out the whole story then critically analyse it.
As for the Spirit one, its common sense that only 2 forms exist.You just seem fixated on who is seeing who. Eg I am human , Trump is human we can see ourselves. It does not mean I have access to him . Both of us commenting on this site can see ourselves, I can communicate with you via different media. That is what I mean by "they can see themselves"
Check out all our previous topics and show me when I ran away

Tell us the context of the story! Stop the merry go round!

I need a simple answer of yes or No here.
Humans can see humans.

Spirit should be able to see spirit.

If no eye can see God can Satan, Angels, Spirit see God?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ojgd4kQ-5A
The Ramadan Apostate Marathon!
Muslims are leaving Islam at an unprecedented rate, especially during Ramadan. Yet very few muslims have been exposed to the facts about Muhammad. What will happen when the disturbing facts about Muhammad become common knowledge? David Wood (Acts 17 Apologetic) discusses the issue.

AntiChristian:


Where is the verse that they were friends?

How the colt was disposed after usage was not recorded----- does that means IT disappeared into thin air

AntiChristian:


Tell us the context of the story! Stop the merry go round!

I need a simple answer of yes or No here.
Humans can see humans.

Spirit should be able to see spirit.

If no eye can see God can Satan, Angels, Spirit see God?

The war with the Midianites was cos the nation had tempted the people of Israel to horrible sins of immorality and idolatry, such that God struck them with a plague that took the lives of 24,000 Israelites. In the old days people fought wars. You can't compare it to Mohammed's time when there was some form of civilization. In mohammed's time, he went about raiding and looting to fund and expand his newly found religion.

Spirits can see spirits. The bible says God is a spirit angles are ministering spirits. So connect the two.

fortran12:

The war with the Midianites was cos the nation had tempted the people of Israel to horrible sins of immorality and idolatry, such that God struck them with a plague that took the lives of 24,000 Israelites. In the old days people fought wars. You can't compare it to Mohammed's time when there was some form of civilization. In mohammed's time, he went about raiding and looting to fund and expand his newly found religion.

Spirits can see spirits. The bible says God is a spirit angles are ministering spirits. So connect the two.

Muhammad fought and you blame him but your Lord send someone to exterminate people but you refuse to blame your Lord.

This is the height of hypocrisy!

So Civilsation changes murder to be OK?

Lithe1:



How the colt was disposed after usage was not recorded----- does that means IT disappeared into thin air

No permission was sought for the colt. Stop bringing irrelevant ideas here!
The writter of those passages where hurriedly writing to make sure Jesus fulfils the colt ride prophecy!

AntiChristian:


Muhammad fought and you blame him but your Lord send someone to exterminate people but you refuse to blame your Lord.

This is the height of hypocrisy!

So Civilsation changes murder to be OK?

mohammed fought on his own accord, when he was not provoked, he fought to aid his jihad, he took over people's lands just cos he wanted to. There is a difference.You make it sound like exerminate people,it was a war, some people win and some lose. MOhammed's was like more of what bandits do. Bandits raid and loot, take over the land and force the inhabitants to pledge allegiance to them,more like what the terrorists are doing.
Why will it be murder when it was a war. In mohammed's time, it was more like murdering spree cos the victims were defenseless.

AntiChristian:


No permission was sought for the colt. Stop bringing irrelevant ideas here!
The writter of those passages where hurriedly writing to make sure Jesus fulfils the colt ride prophecy!

Please how does this compare to Mohamed raiding of caravans?

AntiChristian:


No permission was sought for the colt. Stop bringing irrelevant ideas here!
The writter of those passages where hurriedly writing to make sure Jesus fulfils the colt ride prophecy!

My question has been dodged.

No wahala

Lithe1:


My question has been dodged.

No wahala

That is AntiChristian for you.
He asked me to provide evidence from their books for my claim and I did, then he conveniently went AWOL on that matter.
The issue is that many like him refuse to accept what islam truly is. They just live by their personal perception of what they think Islam is or what their deceitful religious leaders feed them with. And being gullible they brainwash themselves with the propaganda spewed out by those leaders.

sagenaija:

That is AntiChristian for you.
He asked me to provide evidence from their books for my claim and I did, then he conveniently went AWOL on that matter.
The issue is that many like him refuse to accept what islam truly is. They just live by their personal perception of what they think Islam is or what their deceitful religious leaders feed them with. And being gullible they brainwash themselves with the propaganda spewed out by those leaders.

Lithe1:


My question has been dodged.

No wahala

Any mention that deserves an answer get one. No time for specious argument!

fortran12:


mohammed fought on his own accord, when he was not provoked, he fought to aid his jihad, he took over people's lands just cos he wanted to. There is a difference.You make it sound like exerminate people,it was a war, some people win and some lose. MOhammed's was like more of what bandits do. Bandits raid and loot, take over the land and force the inhabitants to pledge allegiance to them,more like what the terrorists are doing.
Why will it be murder when it was a war. In mohammed's time, it was more like murdering spree cos the victims were defenseless.

OK, it's like you need more verses form what your LORD commanded. I will satisfy your thirst. SEE HOW PEOPLE SPREAD TERROR FOR JEHOVAH!

Joshua
Chapter 2
8-21
8 And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof; 9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. 10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. 11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have showed you kindness, that ye will also show kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token: 13 And that ye will save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death. 14 And the men answered her, Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business. And it shall be, when the LORD hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee. 15 Then she let them down by a cord through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. 16 And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and hide yourselves there three days, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. 17 And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. 18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee. 19 And it shall be, that whosoever shall go out of the doors of thy house into the street, his blood shall be upon his head, and we will be guiltless: and whosoever shall be with thee in the house, his blood shall be on our head, if any hand be upon him. 20 And if thou utter this our business, then we will be quit of thine oath which thou hast made us to swear. 21 And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.

Now several things to note, notice how the people are so scared of Joshua's people. They are all filled with terror because of the acts committed by Moses and Joshua under God's commands. Now what do Christians have to say about this? Look how their God installed terror into the hearts of everyone, women and children, and these people had no hope of survival! Even if they were kids and women who did not do anything. This is enough evidence of the terror that was going around under God's command.

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

So Joshua and his army storm a city, they kill everyone as usual accept the harlot and her family. Is this not terror?

Joshua
Chapter 8
1-29
1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it.

3 So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valor, and sent them away by night. 4 And he commanded them, saying, Behold, ye shall lie in wait against the city, even behind the city: go not very far from the city, but be ye all ready: 5 And I, and all the people that are with me, will approach unto the city: and it shall come to pass, when they come out against us, as at the first, that we will flee before them, 6 (For they will come out after us) till we have drawn them from the city; for they will say, They flee before us, as at the first: therefore we will flee before them. 7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand. 8 And it shall be, when ye have taken the city, that ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD shall ye do. See, I have commanded you. 9 Joshua therefore sent them forth: and they went to lie in ambush, and abode between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of Ai: but Joshua lodged that night among the people. 10 And Joshua rose up early in the morning, and numbered the people, and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. 11 And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai. 12 And he took about five thousand men, and set them to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. 13 And when they had set the people, even all the host that was on the north of the city, and their liers in wait on the west of the city, Joshua went that night into the midst of the valley. 14 And it came to pass, when the king of Ai saw it, that they hasted and rose up early, and the men of the city went out against Israel to battle, he and all his people, at a time appointed, before the plain; but he wist not that there were liers in ambush against him behind the city. 15 And Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled by the way of the wilderness. 16 And all the people that were in Ai were called together to pursue after them: and they pursued after Joshua, and were drawn away from the city. 17 And there was not a man left in Ai or Bethel, that went not out after Israel: and they left the city open, and pursued after Israel. 18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city. 19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire. 20 And when the men of Ai looked behind them, they saw, and, behold, the smoke of the city ascended up to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that way: and the people that fled to the wilderness turned back upon the pursuers. 21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. 22 And the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.

23 And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcass down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.

Another battle, another massacre of women and children.

Joshua
Chapter 10
28-43
28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal.

Same old story, more massacres, leaving NO SOULS ALIVE. I wonder what Christians have to say to this? They cannot say anything, they believe this happened, and they believe in this God who they claim to be Jesus.

Sagenaija Lithe1

sagenaija:

Please how does this compare to Mohamed raiding of caravans?

Can you summarise what happened from the start to the end no half-truths or falsehood else I will term you a liar while exposing your falsehood.

Go copy your falsehood and paste it here.

Mr poster When you die u can in hellfire accuse JESUS of stealing when the hot flames are burning u,
repent from your evil and stupid mindset before u die,hellfire is not a place for u to go

AntiChristian:


OK, it's like you need more verses form what your LORD commanded. I will satisfy your thirst. SEE HOW PEOPLE SPREAD TERROR FOR JEHOVAH!

Joshua
Chapter 2
8-21
8 And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof; 9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. 10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. 11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have showed you kindness, that ye will also show kindness unto my father's house, and give me a true token: 13 And that ye will save alive my father, and my mother, and my brethren, and my sisters, and all that they have, and deliver our lives from death. 14 And the men answered her, Our life for yours, if ye utter not this our business. And it shall be, when the LORD hath given us the land, that we will deal kindly and truly with thee. 15 Then she let them down by a cord through the window: for her house was upon the town wall, and she dwelt upon the wall. 16 And she said unto them, Get you to the mountain, lest the pursuers meet you; and hide yourselves there three days, until the pursuers be returned: and afterward may ye go your way. 17 And the men said unto her, We will be blameless of this thine oath which thou hast made us swear. 18 Behold, when we come into the land, thou shalt bind this line of scarlet thread in the window which thou didst let us down by: and thou shalt bring thy father, and thy mother, and thy brethren, and all thy father's household, home unto thee. 19 And it shall be, that whosoever shall go out of the doors of thy house into the street, his blood shall be upon his head, and we will be guiltless: and whosoever shall be with thee in the house, his blood shall be on our head, if any hand be upon him. 20 And if thou utter this our business, then we will be quit of thine oath which thou hast made us to swear. 21 And she said, According unto your words, so be it. And she sent them away, and they departed: and she bound the scarlet line in the window.

Now several things to note, notice how the people are so scared of Joshua's people. They are all filled with terror because of the acts committed by Moses and Joshua under God's commands. Now what do Christians have to say about this? Look how their God installed terror into the hearts of everyone, women and children, and these people had no hope of survival! Even if they were kids and women who did not do anything. This is enough evidence of the terror that was going around under God's command.

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. 26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

So Joshua and his army storm a city, they kill everyone as usual accept the harlot and her family. Is this not terror?

Joshua
Chapter 8
1-29
1 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Fear not, neither be thou dismayed: take all the people of war with thee, and arise, go up to Ai: see, I have given into thy hand the king of Ai, and his people, and his city, and his land: 2 And thou shalt do to Ai and her king as thou didst unto Jericho and her king: only the spoil thereof, and the cattle thereof, shall ye take for a prey unto yourselves: lay thee an ambush for the city behind it.

3 So Joshua arose, and all the people of war, to go up against Ai: and Joshua chose out thirty thousand mighty men of valor, and sent them away by night. 4 And he commanded them, saying, Behold, ye shall lie in wait against the city, even behind the city: go not very far from the city, but be ye all ready: 5 And I, and all the people that are with me, will approach unto the city: and it shall come to pass, when they come out against us, as at the first, that we will flee before them, 6 (For they will come out after us) till we have drawn them from the city; for they will say, They flee before us, as at the first: therefore we will flee before them. 7 Then ye shall rise up from the ambush, and seize upon the city: for the LORD your God will deliver it into your hand. 8 And it shall be, when ye have taken the city, that ye shall set the city on fire: according to the commandment of the LORD shall ye do. See, I have commanded you. 9 Joshua therefore sent them forth: and they went to lie in ambush, and abode between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of Ai: but Joshua lodged that night among the people. 10 And Joshua rose up early in the morning, and numbered the people, and went up, he and the elders of Israel, before the people to Ai. 11 And all the people, even the people of war that were with him, went up, and drew nigh, and came before the city, and pitched on the north side of Ai: now there was a valley between them and Ai. 12 And he took about five thousand men, and set them to lie in ambush between Bethel and Ai, on the west side of the city. 13 And when they had set the people, even all the host that was on the north of the city, and their liers in wait on the west of the city, Joshua went that night into the midst of the valley. 14 And it came to pass, when the king of Ai saw it, that they hasted and rose up early, and the men of the city went out against Israel to battle, he and all his people, at a time appointed, before the plain; but he wist not that there were liers in ambush against him behind the city. 15 And Joshua and all Israel made as if they were beaten before them, and fled by the way of the wilderness. 16 And all the people that were in Ai were called together to pursue after them: and they pursued after Joshua, and were drawn away from the city. 17 And there was not a man left in Ai or Bethel, that went not out after Israel: and they left the city open, and pursued after Israel. 18 And the LORD said unto Joshua, Stretch out the spear that is in thy hand toward Ai; for I will give it into thine hand. And Joshua stretched out the spear that he had in his hand toward the city. 19 And the ambush arose quickly out of their place, and they ran as soon as he had stretched out his hand: and they entered into the city, and took it, and hasted and set the city on fire. 20 And when the men of Ai looked behind them, they saw, and, behold, the smoke of the city ascended up to heaven, and they had no power to flee this way or that way: and the people that fled to the wilderness turned back upon the pursuers. 21 And when Joshua and all Israel saw that the ambush had taken the city, and that the smoke of the city ascended, then they turned again, and slew the men of Ai. 22 And the other issued out of the city against them; so they were in the midst of Israel, some on this side, and some on that side: and they smote them, so that they let none of them remain or escape.

23 And the king of Ai they took alive, and brought him to Joshua. 24 And it came to pass, when Israel had made an end of slaying all the inhabitants of Ai in the field, in the wilderness wherein they chased them, and when they were all fallen on the edge of the sword, until they were consumed, that all the Israelites returned unto Ai, and smote it with the edge of the sword. 25 And so it was, that all that fell that day, both of men and women, were twelve thousand, even all the men of Ai. 26 For Joshua drew not his hand back, wherewith he stretched out the spear, until he had utterly destroyed all the inhabitants of Ai. 27 Only the cattle and the spoil of that city Israel took for a prey unto themselves, according unto the word of the LORD which he commanded Joshua. 28 And Joshua burnt Ai, and made it an heap for ever, even a desolation unto this day. 29 And the king of Ai he hanged on a tree until eventide: and as soon as the sun was down, Joshua commanded that they should take his carcass down from the tree, and cast it at the entering of the gate of the city, and raise thereon a great heap of stones, that remaineth unto this day.

Another battle, another massacre of women and children.

Joshua
Chapter 10
28-43
28 And that day Joshua took Makkedah, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof he utterly destroyed, them, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain: and he did to the king of Makkedah as he did unto the king of Jericho. 29 Then Joshua passed from Makkedah, and all Israel with him, unto Libnah, and fought against Libnah: 30 And the LORD delivered it also, and the king thereof, into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein; he let none remain in it; but did unto the king thereof as he did unto the king of Jericho. 31 And Joshua passed from Libnah, and all Israel with him, unto Lachish, and encamped against it, and fought against it: 32 And the LORD delivered Lachish into the hand of Israel, which took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein, according to all that he had done to Libnah. 33 Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he had left him none remaining. 34 And from Lachish Joshua passed unto Eglon, and all Israel with him; and they encamped against it, and fought against it: 35 And they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and all the souls that were therein he utterly destroyed that day, according to all that he had done to Lachish. 36 And Joshua went up from Eglon, and all Israel with him, unto Hebron; and they fought against it: 37 And they took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof, and all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining, according to all that he had done to Eglon; but destroyed it utterly, and all the souls that were therein. 38 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, to Debir; and fought against it: 39 And he took it, and the king thereof, and all the cities thereof; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed all the souls that were therein; he left none remaining: as he had done to Hebron, so he did to Debir, and to the king thereof; as he had done also to Libnah, and to her king. 40 So Joshua smote all the country of the hills, and of the south, and of the vale, and of the springs, and all their kings: he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded. 41 And Joshua smote them from Kadeshbarnea even unto Gaza, and all the country of Goshen, even unto Gibeon. 42 And all these kings and their land did Joshua take at one time, because the LORD God of Israel fought for Israel. 43 And Joshua returned, and all Israel with him, unto the camp to Gilgal.

Same old story, more massacres, leaving NO SOULS ALIVE. I wonder what Christians have to say to this? They cannot say anything, they believe this happened, and they believe in this God who they claim to be Jesus.

Sagenaija Lithe1

Stop copy and paste choose one so i can respond. But first answer the one i raised about allah being an imaginary being inside mohammed's head

[color=#990000][/color]And before they were laid down, she came up unto them upon the roof; 9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you. 10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed. 11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath. 12 Now therefore, I pray you, swear unto me by the LORD, since I have sh



--------STARTING with the midianites--if you understand why they are wiped out--- you won't have problem with this one.

fortran12:

Stop copy and paste choose one so i can respond. But first answer the one i raised about allah being an imaginary being inside mohammed's head

AntiChristian is just attempting to distracts issues. Simple.

The stories he's referring to are in the Bible. But THEY DO NOT directly related to the Christian. Why is he not asking the Jews about their history? Why has he taken his assumptions about the colt to claim the topic of this thread and even when logical answer is given he refuses it?

Unlike the Jews who were a race Mohamed had not even a tribe of Arabs he could say he represented when he was raiding caravans to enrich himself, attacking villages and towns to loot their goods, kill the boys and men and forcibly take over their women and land. The Jews fought wars as a nation. But was Mohamed ruling anywhere when he started his criminal activities?

Because AntiChristian is looking for something with which to discredit Christianity and Christ, and the colt case was that he thought was the closet has been punctured, he now runs to the life of the Jews. That shows how desperate Moslems can be.

On the other hand EVERY story we point to about Mohamed is still directly applicable to Islam today.

Mohamed killed nursing mothers, the blind, girl's, teenage boys and even the aged just because they disagreed with him or he simply hated them.
A case in point:
Umm Qirfa Fatima, daughter of Rabi'a, was a very old woman who was ordered to be killed. As cruel as it is to kill an old helpless woman, the manner in which it was carried out is not only despicable but will qualify today as a most heinous of war crimes.

Like cruel animals sporting with prey, they decided to rip Umm's body in two. They grabbed her legs and tied each leg to a separate rope. After the ropes were tied firmly and securely to two strong camels, they whipped the camels, driving them to pull with their greatest force in opposite directions.

The resulting scene can only be imagined. She was torn apart into two. What can be more sadistic than this? An old woman of about a hundred years old. And what was her offence?

And AntiChristian wants to equate this to the story of the colt or what?

A religion that is excited about killing a old woman of about a hundred years old or even new born babies and their mothers as happened a fews days ago in the middle east can certainly not be said to come from the God of the universe.

But AntiChristian and his kind continue to live in DENIAL. They have their own picture of Islam they want and run with it. What is in their books mean NOTHING to them. Islam is what they say it is, not what Allah has in his books.

AntiChristian:


Can you summarise what happened from the start to the end no half-truths or falsehood else I will term you a liar while exposing your falsehood.

Go copy your falsehood and paste it here.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1mTxSeM84

fortran12:

Stop copy and paste choose one so i can respond. But first answer the one i raised about allah being an imaginary being inside mohammed's head

This is not copy and paste.

It is from my post here. When you are ready to comment on all the atrocities Jehovah committed in those verses then mention me! I know you and your brothers will run from those verses.

AntiChristian:


This is not copy and paste.

It is from my post here. When you are ready to comment on all the atrocities Jehovah committed in those verses then mention me! I know you and your brothers will run from those verses.

I am not running, i said choose one and we will talk about it. How do you expect me to handle all at once. Also you have not responded on Allah being neither physical nor a spirit.

fortran12:

I am not running, i said choose one and we will talk about it. How do you expect me to handle all at once. Also you have not responded on Allah being neither physical nor a spirit.

Choose it one by one yourself shebi na your book!

I don't have anything to discuss with you on Allaah! You lack the idea of what the Almighty should be like. Your own God can drink tea with Adeboye. Angels/Satan/Spirit can meet Him and they can relate since they are of the same essence. Your spirit God created Satan, Angel in Spirit with the same make up of himself. Bye on this.

AntiChristian:


Choose it one by one yourself shebi na your book!

I don't have anything to discuss with you on Allaah! You lack the idea of what the Almighty should be like. Your. own God can drink tea with Adeboye. Angels/Satan/Spirit can meet Him and they can relate since they are of the same essence. Your spirit God created Satan, Angel in Spirit with the same make up of himself. Bye on this.

Your response lacks critical reasoning. Its you that lack the understanding of how God should be. Who are you to tell of what God can and cannot do. If you a human dictates for him on what is and is not does this not contradict the concept of being almighty?
Note there angels and satan etc are spirits cos u can't see them. God is also a spirit cos you can't see him. Being a spirit is a state of existence same as bring physical. The state does not define the person. I hope you can logically analyse what i have stated.
Pastor adeboye can talk of himself and God that's him what i talk to you about are things from the bible

fortran12:


Your response lacks critical reasoning. Its you that lack the understanding of how God should be. Who are you to tell of what God can and cannot do. If you a human dictates for him on what is and is not does this not contradict the concept of being almighty?
Note there angels and satan etc are spirits cos u can't see them. God is also a spirit cos you can't see him. Being a spirit is a state of existence same as bring physical. The state does not define the person. I hope you can logically analyse what i have stated.
Pastor adeboye can talk of himself and God that's him what i talk to you about are things from the bible

People who saw God in the Bible
1. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30).
2. And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God (Exodus 3:6).
3. So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend (Exodus 33:11).
4. But since there has not arisen in Israel a prophet like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face (Deuteronomy 34:10).
5. In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple (Isaiah 6:1).

Face to face (Greek pā·nîm 'el pā·nîm) means within each other's sight or presence or in or into direct contact or confrontation.

Can you explain how they were able to see your spirit God?

AntiChristian:


People who saw God in the Bible
1. And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved (Genesis 32:30).
2. And Moses hid his face, for he was afraid to look upon God (Exodus 3:6).
3. So the Lord spoke to Moses face to face, as a man speaks to his friend (Exodus 33:11).
4. But since there has not arisen in Israel a prophet like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face (Deuteronomy 34:10).
5. In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, sitting on a throne, high and lifted up, and the train of His robe filled the temple (Isaiah 6:1).

Face to face (Greek pā·nîm 'el pā·nîm) means within each other's sight or presence or in or into direct contact or confrontation.

Can you explain how they were able to see your spirit God?

God is a spirit, Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Also seeing face to face does not mean literal seeing as you have explained above.

fortran12:

God is a spirit, Jesus is the image of the invisible God. Also seeing face to face does not mean literal seeing as you have explained above.

What does face to face mean?

AntiChristian:


What does face to face mean?

Did u see the definitions you gave? So if it means all you stated, and every one knows you can't see a spirit. So by logic you eliminate all definitions that involve literal seeing.