0monnak0da:


They held out for so long because Nigeria gave them food for over a year. This time that would never happen.

Here is the problem with you.
You talk so much about injustice without a practical way forward.
Outrage is not a plan
You will suffer heavily without Yoruba support if you go to war.
You need to think more long term but sadly as a group you lack discipline
W

Some kids would just never give up, they think a war is just like a war game on their appliances, a war that the older generation who went through it have vowed never to see such again.

It's a matter of time!

Area4Area:
Stop the threats about the next war and start it off already.

DMerciful:
By their fruits we shall know them. You have not hidden you hatred for Igbos! But to be a coward for not defending your hatred but denying it is pathetic!
Btw I cannot hate my people!

Direct your hate to the appropriate quarters please, I know some of you hate to hear facts even from your own but who cares.

Area4Area:
Start the civil war as soon as possible or do you any support?
1967 would be child's play

I don't have to ignite it, look around you mo.ron,Nigeria is already in a civil war already without a gun been fired, now imagine when the real thing begins? Events like that will separate cowards like yourself from real men who go out to do the needful.

If you're an Easterner then you need to understand your people. We are not trying to leave Nigeria out of hatred, No! Its because Nigeria promotes mediocrity, injustice and lack of equity. We cannot become a developed nation like Europe and US , Canada if we maintain the status quo. Dont you have national ambition?

Area4Area:
Direct your hate to the appropriate quarters please, I know some of you hate to hear facts even from your own but who cares.

DMerciful:
We would suffer but bounce back again just like Germany and Isreal.
But Nigeria surviving another civil war? After what you did to the useful tools(middle belt) after the first civil war? They won't join you this time! We have lot of Igbos in SW so definitely SW will also be a theater of war. You should be afraid more due to the high level of foreigners in SW! Igbos will survive, we always do!

Nigeria will not survive another civil war but Biafra would, lol, please go and sleep.

By the time Nigeria restricts entry of everything in your Biafra, you'd know how far, it happened before.

Remember that all Biafrans would've been officially expelled from Nigeria to move into Biafra and go fight the war.
You better move into surrounding countries whenever Biafra is declared if you would want to survive that war you've always yearned for

0monnak0da:


What is the way forward?
All that talk will not result in Biafra

All this talk is empty and impotent

What is the plan?
War?

Ojukwu went to Aburi for restructuring
THAT is laughable

Who changed the structure in the first place?


It was Ironsi with decree 34 1966

That one is talking about referendum and secession while his guys are talking about war, let them bring anything on, getting a Biafra would and must be determined by Nigeria only

Area4Area:
Nigeria will not survive another civil war but Biafra would, lol, please go and sleep.

By the time Nigeria restricts entry of everything in your Biafra, you'd know how far, it happened before.

Remember that all Biafrans would've been officially expelled from Nigeria to move into Biafra and go fight the war.
You better move into surrounding countries whenever Biafra is declared if you would want to survive that war you've always yearned for

So it's only Nigeria that will have international allies and neighboring friends abi? Secondly which territories will be Nigeria and Biafra in the event of a breakup? you see how unintelligent you sound when you try to sound smart?

DMerciful:
What happened in Ore was because the military government situated in Lagos first attacked Biafra so Biafrans were taking the war to Gowon to remove him. Ofcourse there will be resistance.
They did not shoot civilians, w
Did they?
Now you have spoken your mind on not wanting Biafra as not necessarily the issue of building bridges but your fear of the aftermath. Why not chart your own determination? Nigeria is a mere geographical expression and as such a nation cannot come out of it in a million years. Unless you have accepted that you ok with the way Nigeria is for a long time because it's only gonna get worse. Where is your ambition? Dont you want to stay in a country that will someday be referred to as a developed country? Nigeria cannt achieve this forever to why stay on this ship?
Niger Delta you say you are protecting? Is it Imo or Abia or Anioma that part on Niger Delta? Niger Delta will be the first to leave after Biafra!

Honestly I sincerely do not mean to insult you but you reason, not just you many Biafra advocates, like children.

Why were you not saying all this before GEJ lost.?
You will not rouse Yoruba into a foolish misadventure with your twisted sophistry .
Even if you believe all that nonsense you need to learn how to edit what you say.
We are disciplined and patient . So we can wait another 50 years.
Whereas you lack patience and will always act impulsively like Nnamdi Kanu and Ojukwu


Our strategy is to avoid war and if your strategy is war then you are our enemies
It is that stark. As a group you do not understand the reality of Nigeria but focus on your sense of injustice as if that is a plan.


For now as far as we are concerned restructuring is the only game in town.
No one is leaving peacefully
So if you have any sense either align with restructuring or prepare for war.

DMerciful:
Why not tell us the history? You want to behave like INEC that said result is fake without producing the original. Tell us the history!

Singapore, Malaysia both were granted independence by the Brits, both decided to form a single country because Singapore felt they were so small to stand alone and also because of a common defense with a bigger country, Malaysia.
After some ideological differences which couldn't be sorted out after some years of being together, the union was dissolved.

Indonesia had earlier proclaimed its independence from the Dutch years before and was never a part of the union

You dont mean to insult but you insulted, no wahala.
Concerning restructuring which is better than nothing, Southwesterners were the biggest proponents of restructuring in the late 90s and early 2000s. Igbos were talking Biafra through massob then but immediately Igbos embrace restructuring move which started from the 2014 confab, Yorubas who were advocates of restructuring started withdrawing and telling everyone that restructuring is of the mind. Now that the Yorubas are largely in the government, how far with restructuring? Let's be honest with ourselves!

0monnak0da:

Honestly I sincerely do not mean to insult you but you reason, not just you many Biafra advocates, like children.

Why were you not saying all this before GEJ lost.?
You will not rouse Yoruba into a foolish misadventure with your twisted sophistry .
Even if you believe all that nonsense you need to learn how to edit what you say.
We are disciplined and patient . So we can wait another 50 years.
Whereas you lack patience and will always act impulsively like Nnamdi Kanu and Ojukwu


Our strategy is to avoid war and if your strategy is war then you are our enemies
It is that stark.

For now as far as we are concerned restructuring is the only game in town.
No one is leaving peacefully
So if you have any sense either align with restructuring or prepare for war.

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Area4Area:
That one is talking about referendum and secession while his guys are talking about war, let them bring anything on, getting a Biafra would and must be determined by Nigeria only

The problem with that approach is that they lose out on two fronts. They lose relevance in Nigerian politics whilst moving further from realisation of Biafra.

Ok..so how is Malaysia and Singapore today? If Singapore had stayed what would have become of them? Sometimes you need to chart your own destiny to prosper!

Area4Area:
Singapore, Malaysia both were granted independence by the Brits, both decided to form a single country because Singapore felt they were so small to stand alone and also because of a common defense with a bigger country, Malaysia.
After some ideological differences which couldn't be sorted out after some years of being together, the union was dissolved.

Indonesia had earlier proclaimed its independence from the Dutch years before and was never a part of the union

brightokechukwu:
What this dunderheads, most especially delusional clowns like most people here don't get is that IF there's to be another civil war in Nigeria today, EVERY region in Nigeria will be affected, and will be a theater of war. Some fools still think we are in 1967 where the war was brought to the East, and mostly fought there... today lots of things have changed, the power play for one is longer favorable to the Igbos( which was the case in the First republic that engendered the fear of Ibo domination)... the political landscape has also significantly changed in the context recent events... the Middle belt who were used as willing tools and foot soldiers to prosecute the war during Biafra definitely won't take sides with the North these time for obvious reasons not helped in part by the Fulani killings of their people... the duplicity of the South South won't play out cause we know they sabotaged Biafra due to the creation of states by Gowon, and the much touted fear of Igbo domination. Now all these factors are no longer in the favor of the war noisemakers... only the West is in debate cause they are neither here or there, but a better sense of fact tells me they have been shortchanged by their Northern masters, and won't play ball to their machinations anymore...

So the question is, who and who will fight the Igbos in a second war?

Long story short after the long epistle, some want a war and most don't, those who regale in another civil war should start it in earnest instead of predicting what they know nothing about

Area4Area:
Long story short after the long epistle, some want a war and most don't, those who regale in another civil war should start it in earnest instead of predicting what they know nothing about

Refute my points or STFU, stop boring me with your one liners.

DMerciful:
What happened in Ore was because the military government situated in Lagos first attacked Biafra so Biafrans were taking the war to Gowon to remove him. Ofcourse there will be resistance.
They did not shoot civilians, w
Did they?
Now you have spoken your mind on not wanting Biafra as not necessarily the issue of building bridges but your fear of the aftermath. Why not chart your own determination? Nigeria is a mere geographical expression and as such a nation cannot come out of it in a million years. Unless you have accepted that you ok with the way Nigeria is for a long time because it's only gonna get worse. Where is your ambition? Dont you want to stay in a country that will someday be referred to as a developed country? Nigeria cannt achieve this forever to why stay on this ship?
Niger Delta you say you are protecting? Is it Imo or Abia or Anioma that part on Niger Delta? Niger Delta will be the first to leave after Biafra!

Go for what you want and stop involving others or begging them to chart any self determination, if you need a war, declare it fast

DMerciful:
It's a matter of time!

Inform Nigeria when you are serious and stop giving excuses about time. Ojukwu declared Biafra without waiting for a 'time'

kettykings:
(i) A military committee comprising representatives of the regions should meet to take statistics of arms and ammunition in the country. Unallocated stores of arms and ammunition held in the country should be shared equitably between the various commands in the federation.

How many arms and ammunition had already been allocated and the number allocated?
Who commands the various commands of the federation, aka the commander in chief, or was each region expected to have its own military?

(ii) The Army should be reorganized in order to restore discipline and confidence, Specifically,

Who will do the reorganisation and using what criteria?

a. the army should be governed by the Supreme Military Council which would be chaired by a Commander-in-Chief of the Armed Forces and the Head of the Federal Military Government;

How is this different from what was already existing?

b. Area Commands under Area Commanders and corresponding to existing Regions should be created.

The regions will be under the control of area Commanders

c. During the period of the military goverment, Military Governors should have control over Area Commands, for internal security

Military Governors will control area Commanders again, is this not duplication?

d. A military headquarters, comprising equal representation from the regions and headed by a Chief of Staff, should be established.

More duplication of duties. Maybe I should be saying quadriplication

e. A Lagos Garrison, including Ikeja Barracks, should be created.

(iii) In accordance with the decision of August 9, 1966, Army personnel of
Northern Nigerian origin should return to the North from the West. In order to meet the security needs of the West, a crash programme of recruitment and training is necessary but the details should be examined after the Military Committee has finished their work.

What concerns Ojukwu with the west. Never knew the west were invited to Ghana to discuss the aburi according.

(iv) The Supreme Military Council should deal with all matters of policy including promotion to top executive posts in the Armed Forces and the Police.

(v) The legislative and executive authority of the federal Military
Government should be referred for determination, provided that, where a
meeting was not possible, such a matter must be referred to the Military
Governors for their comments and concurrence.

Continuation of Power greed by the military, which led to the conflict in the first place. The Military officers abrogation executive and legislative powers to themselves. As I always believed the 1966 conflicts were about power grabs by the military and within the military, the civilians were only unfortunate to be caught in the middle.

(vi) Appontments to the Diplomatic and consular posts as well as to superscale posts in the Federal Public Service and equivalent posts in the Federal Corporations must be approved by the Supreme Military Council.

(vii) With a view to promoting mutual confidence, all decrees or provisions of decrees passed since January 15, 1966, which detracted from the previous powers and positions of the Regional Governments should be repealed. Law officers of the Federation should meet in Benin on January 14, 1967, and list all the decrees or provisions of Decrees concerned, so that they may be repealed not later than January 21, 1967, if possible.

Confusion galore. Since the constitution had been suspended and the regions converted to states by general Ironsi, how would Nigeria be governed if all previous decrees were repealed?

brightokechukwu:

I don't have to ignite it, look around you mo.ron,Nigeria is already in a civil war already without a gun been fired, now imagine when the real thing begins? Events like that will separate cowards like yourself from real men who go out to do the needful.

@bolded, that's how we know kids around, they resort to insults whenever they run out of ideas.

It's obvious your war would start and end on nairaland.

DMerciful:
You dont mean to insult but you insulted, no wahala.
Concerning restructuring which is better than nothing, Southwesterners were the biggest proponents of restructuring in the late 90s and early 2000s. Igbos were talking Biafra through massob then but immediately Igbos embrace restructuring move which started from the 2014 confab, Yorubas who were advocates of restructuring started withdrawing and telling everyone that restructuring is of the mind. Now that the Yorubas are largely in the government, how far with restructuring? Let's be honest with ourselves!

I am sorry if it is an insult. But exactly what I mean when I say you reason like children is your fixation on wrong and injustice rather than a solution with a plan that can actually work.

Yoruba do not have to explain themselves to you
We do not see you as rational actors .
Take your statement that in 2023 you will rather have a Fulani than Yoruba president?
This would make sense if it would help you achieve your goals. It is a childish petulant posture.
We see you like the biblical woman who would rather have the baby cut in two than for her neighbour' to keep the baby
We are not pursuing restructuring because we hate Fulani or seek revenge.
We believe that it is to our benefit

You folk are motivated by bitterness
You somehow see secession as a way of punishing Nigeria and would like very much to see Hausa and Yoruba on their knees

This clouds your sense of reality.
The Nigeria we want will take a long time but we will get there.
After that we can think of Biafra etc but that is a 50 year project


The question is how to conduct affairs in the meantime

Stay disciplined and patient or do an Nnamdi Kanu to get noticed

Others seems to be concerned so I'm telling them to chart their own destiny. Nigeria is a mere geographical expression where oil and water cannot mix

Area4Area:
Go for what you want and stop involving others or begging them to chart any self determination, if you need a war, declare it fast

DMerciful:
If you're an Easterner then you need to understand your people. We are not trying to leave Nigeria out of hatred, No! Its because Nigeria promotes mediocrity, injustice and lack of equity. We cannot become a developed nation like Europe and US , Canada if we maintain the status quo. Dont you have national ambition?

Getting a Biafra is a good cause but it must be done in a way not to hurt millions of Igbo lives on the line, I can bet that majority of Igbos on nairaland do not stay in Igboland, have you asked yourself about their fate when they'd be declared foreigners and made to go back to Biafra to get their papers and visas to reenter Nigeria?
Do you realise that your Biafra would be majorly the present SE and the SS minorities would've been stripped off Biafra?
You'd be surrounded by Nigeria and she determines what comes in and goes out of Biafra?

Area4Area:
@bolded, that's how we know kids around, they resort to insults whenever they run out of ideas.

It's obvious your war would start and end on nairaland.

Lol quite predictably you conclude I'm a kid, not that I was expecting any different from you. I can tell this much, online talk aside, the things I've seen and done, places I've gone and feats I've accomplished, you CAN NEVER even in your wildest imaginations replicate. Let me just leave it at that.

brightokechukwu:

Lol quite predictably you conclude I'm a kid, not that I was expecting any different from you. I can tell this much, online talk aside, the things I've seen and done, places I've gone and feats I've accomplished, you CAN NEVER even in your wildest imaginations replicate. Let me just leave it at that.

Typical Igbo boastfulness

This is an anonymous forum
You have no way of knowing what others have accomplished.
Be humble, I know that is a big ask for Igbos but try.

Since we are not going to verify your trip to Mars or your conversion of water to pure Rioja why bring it up.
That seems quite immature and insecure

We do not see seccession as punishment to Nigerians, not at all. In fact we have the potential of loosing a lot of investment so the decision is not being taken lightly. In actual fact Igbos are being punished for the civil war till tomorrow and it's the treatment that made the current Igbo man who wasnt born during the war bitter. Inspite of that they are more integrated in all parts of Nigeria than any other group. Secession for us will make us swift in pursuing a particular part of progress. We are ok with restructuring but other are unwilling, what we see as urgent, others dont see the urgency, that the difference!

0monnak0da:


I am sorry if it is an insult. But exactly what I mean when I say you reason like children is your fixation on wrong and injustice rather than a solution with a plan that can actually work.

Yoruba do not have to explain themselves to you
We do not see you as rational actors .
Take your statement that in 2023 you will rather have a Fulani than Yoruba president?
This would make sense if it would help you achieve your goals. It is a childish petulant posture.
We see you like the biblical woman who would rather have the baby cut in two than for her neighbour' to keep the baby
We are not pursuing restructuring because we hate Fulani or seek revenge.
We believe that it is to our benefit

You folk are motivated by bitterness
You somehow see secession as a way of punishing Nigeria and would like very much to see Hausa and Yoruba on their knees

This clouds your sense of reality.
The Nigeria we want will take a long time but we will get there.
After that we can think of Biafra etc but that is a 50 year project


The question is how to conduct affairs in the meantime

Stay disciplined and patient or do an Nnamdi Kanu to get noticed

brightokechukwu:

So it's only Nigeria that will have international allies and neighboring friends abi? Secondly which territories will be Nigeria and Biafra in the event of a breakup? you see how unintelligent you sound when you try to sound smart?

Old Southeastern state (akwa-cross), old Rivers (Rivers and Bayelsa) are off for starters so don't be deceived by IPOB with their phantom maps.
Allies ain't the big deal, the quality and strength are the real deal.

0monnak0da:

The problem with that approach is that they lose out on two fronts. They lose relevance in Nigerian politics whilst moving further from realisation of Biafra.

I tell you, why will some people fail to understand their history and know where they failed in the past and try not to repeat same mistakes is what I don't understand

What if some minorities say they want to be part of Biafra? Those Igbos in other parts of Nigeria, there will give period of transition probably 5yrs so everything can be negotiated, it mustn't be war. Or we can have a confederation but we cannot allow Nigeria to remain as it is currently structured, it helps no one, not even the Hausa-Fulanis

Area4Area:
Getting a Biafra is a good cause but it must be done in a way not to hurt millions of Igbo lives on the line, I can bet that majority of Igbos on nairaland do not stay in Igboland, have you asked yourself about their fate when they'd be declared foreigners and made to go back to Biafra to get their papers and visas to reenter Nigeria?
Do you realise that your Biafra would be majorly the present SE and the SS minorities would've been stripped off Biafra?
You'd be surrounded by Nigeria and she determines what comes in and goes out of Biafra?

DMerciful:
We do not see seccession as punishment to Nigerians, not at all. In fact we have the potential of loosing a lot of investment so the decision is not being taken lightly. In actual fact Igbos are being punished for the civil war till tomorrow and it's the treatment that made the current Igbo man who wasnt born during the war bitter. Inspite of that they are more integrated in all parts of Nigeria than any other group. Secession for us will make us swift in pursuing a particular part of progress. We are ok with restructuring but other are unwilling, what we see as urgent, others dont see the urgency, that the difference!

This is just naive and dishonest

Where was this Igbo bitterness whilst GEJ was in power?
You naively believe there would be a clean break from Nigeria without taking the Niger Delta?
You do not see the loss of the Niger Delta as punishing the North?
You expect them to just roll over?

Sir there is no way that dream can happen peacefully
Rather I see a genocidal war ending with the reintroduction of colonial powers in the region

Once again regretfully I must say you are talking like a child
That scenario would cost tens of millions of lives and is very irresponsible.
It is not my job to change you
So when you are ready start the war

DMerciful:
Ok..so how is Malaysia and Singapore today? If Singapore had stayed what would have become of them? Sometimes you need to chart your own destiny to prosper!

Agree first that yes made a mistake of merging Indonesia and Singapore as one country, no apologies.
This is the same thing you carry into national politics and have been having your fingers burnt since 2015, always too proud to apologise even when you know you were wrong.

brightokechukwu:

Refute my points or STFU, stop boring me with your one liners.

Making no points, start your war and let it end there.

DMerciful:
Others seems to be concerned so I'm telling them to chart their own destiny. Nigeria is a mere geographical expression where oil and water cannot mix

Nobody begged you to tell anyone, do your thing first.