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The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 5:23am On Feb 22, 2020
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There were no ethnic groups in Nigeria prior to the colonial era.

There was nothing like a Yoruba man.

Or a Hausa man.

Or an Igbo man.

That way of identifying people simply did not exist.

Message to secessionists:

Biafra is NOT your father's history.

Even the name Biafra is Portuguese.

There was no sense of Igbo nationhood prior to the colonial era.

So the whole 'Biafra' concept - the very concept of there being an ''Igbo people'' is European-originated, oriented, and influenced.

Your ''Igbo identity'' is a Tokunbo notion, every bit as foreign as your average, dodgy 2nd-hand junk.

Prior to the colonial era, the fact that you spoke the same language as another person did not mean you were of the same ''ethnic group'', different from those who spoke a different language.

That simply was NOT how we viewed ourselves in AFRICA.

Kinship and group identity were about blood connection and lineage, which transcended languages spoken, and often involved various languages existing within the same kinship group caused inter alia, by migration and inter-marriage.

In pre-colonial times, you were not ''an Igbo person''. You were a person who spoke Igbo language. Finish.

What identified you was your clan and your village or town, and your lineage therein, not the language you spoke.

There were Igbo-speaking groups who knew their cousins that spoke Yoruba or Edo a 100 miles away, and were closer to them by lineage than to Igbo-speaking communities even in the next town.

That is how we were. It wasn't about the language you spoke.

Today, out of European-influenced modern triibalism, we find previously connected people and communities now separating themselves by language, and denying ancestral links with those who merely speak a different language.

ALL OF THAT IS COLONIAL-INFLUENCED.

If you don't know your history, let us, your elders tell you your history.

Every person who hates another because they are supposedly of a ''different ethnic group'' is acting out the playbook written by 18th century European colonizers who came here to divide and conquer, and is NOT following in the ways of our fathers.

Thank You.

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by PlayerMeji: 5:24am On Feb 22, 2020
Ok, but which came first?

The chicken or the egg?

The language or the people?
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Nobody: 5:52am On Feb 22, 2020
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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by ContentedK: 5:53am On Feb 22, 2020
Brainless zombie on the loose, unity isn’t initiated forcefully. Well it’s too late coz Biafra is already here, if you like beg till infinity. Zoogerian

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 6:02am On Feb 22, 2020
ContentedK:
Brainless zombie on the loose, unity isn’t initiated forcefully. Well it’s too late coz Biafra is already here, if you like beg till infinity. Zoogerian

It's ''already here'' inside your thick block head.

Not in actual reality.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by danvon(m): 6:04am On Feb 22, 2020
You can as well tell Chinese the concept of belonging to a nation is unasian

Mind you Japan Taiwan and China were once together

Now you said Biafra is a Portuguese name but Nigeria itself is gotten from Britain the name Yoruba is a hausa name, the name Africa came from the Romans, people are always named by outsiders

Tribalism is not a Western invention it's a social one, people need groups to satisfy their wants the bigger the wants the more complex the group... In the olden days there were small wants so there were smaller groups like clan etc but as they grew the clan grew bigger

Now what if tribe is a Western invention the phone you are using is also a Western invention but should you get rid of it?

I wonder if your even in Africa at all, look at the xenophobia in South Africa look at Boko Haram in the north how on Earth do you expect people to come together to solve their problems without becoming national or tribal

Read books and stop getting wisdom from kai kai

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 6:15am On Feb 22, 2020
danvon:
You can as well tell Chinese the concept of belonging to a nation is unasian

Mind you Japan Taiwan and China were once together

Now you said Biafra is a Portuguese name but Nigeria itself is gotten from Britain the name Yoruba is a hausa name, people are always named by outsiders

Tribalism is not a Western invention it's a social one, people need groups to satisfy their wants the bigger the wants the more complex the group... In the olden days there were small wants so there were smaller groups like clan etc but as they grew the clan grew bigger

Now what if tribe is a Western invention the phone you are using is also a Western invention but should you get rid of it.

I wonder if your even in Africa at all, look at the xenophobia in South Africa look at Boko Haram in the north how on Earth do you expect people to come together to solve their problems without becoming national or tribal

Read books and stop getting wisdom from kai kai

You're the one who reasons like a drunkard.

The Chinese are not an ethnic group, but an amalgamation of peoples.

Ethnic groups did not arise in Africa ''out of necessity''.

It was the white man that came in and told YOU that you were ''an Igbo man''. And separated you through stroke of a pen, from a ''Yoruba man''. and an ''Hausa man'', many of whom were hitherto your known blood relatives!

Comparing it to using a phone is ignorant. A phone is helpful. Tribalism is the opposite.

You don't have to use EVERY import they send you. You have the ability to decide which to discard, based on their impact on your society.

TRIBALISM IS UNAFRICAN

DE-TRIBALIZATION is AFRICAN.

Living as a detribalized person means going back to the ways of our ancestors, who judged a man not by the language he spoke, but by the content of his character.

Seeing yourself as a ''Yoruba man'' or an ''Igbo man'' is playing out the Divide and Rule agenda of colonizers, whose aim was always to bring disunity among previously integrated peoples, in order to exploit the continent.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by NimrodEndOfDays(m): 6:31am On Feb 22, 2020
A very dumb and unintelligent post. The more you keep reading things like these the more people get dumber. I can bet my 2 cents that the OP is paid to do this job and probably one of the numerous people who have other handles to cause disaffection amongst those who have chosen to forge forward with their destinies. No matter how hard they try to continually enslave us with their rethorics, many Igbos are waking up to their responsibility of knowing who they are and being proud of it. Those who have chosen to be slaves to the Fulani people,I cannot quarrel with your choice of being in perpetual servitude. But endeavor not to drag the Igbos along on the path of self destruction. We are a Nation and a people who are born free and it would remain that way. Stop trying to make us reason in the slavish manner which your fathers have trained you to be it would never work. We are freeborns and have a right to self determination.

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by danvon(m): 6:40am On Feb 22, 2020
Rossinnki:


You're the one who reasons like a drunkard.

The Chinese are not an ethnic group, but an amalgamation of peoples.

Yes and the Igbos is not an ethnic group but also an amalgamation of peoples

Rossinnki:



Ethnic groups did not arise in Africa ''out of necessity''.

It was the white man that came in and told YOU that you were ''an Igbo man''. And separated you through stroke of a pen, from a ''Yoruba man''. and an ''Hausa man'', many of whom were hitherto your known blood relatives!


So was it colonialism that made Hausas to invade the Yaribas? Your talking as if Africa was a land of great peace and unity before colonialism

Rossinnki:


Comparing it to using a phone is ignorant. A phone is helpful. Tribalism is the opposite.

You don't have to use EVERY import they send you. You have the ability to decide which to discard, based on their impact on your society.
Tell that to Anthony Joshua proud of being a Yoruba explain to him that his tribalism is useless if tribalism was so deadly for us how come it has still stayed and survived?

Rossinnki:


DE-TRIBALIZATION is AFRICAN.

Living as a detribalized person means going back to the ways of our ancestors,
whoo judged a man not by the language he spoke, but by the content of his character.
This is a very false misrepresentation of your ancestors, did you know your ancestors saw nothing wrong with Human sacrifice? Your presenting an European version of your ancestors

Rossinnki:


Seeing yourself as a ''Yoruba man'' or an ''Igbo man'' is playing out the Divide and Rule agenda of colonizers, whose aim was always to bring disunity among previously integrated peoples.
Previously integrated people... i drop my pen

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 6:40am On Feb 22, 2020
NimrodEndOfDays:
A very dumb and unintelligent post. The more you keep reading things like these the more people get dumber. I can bet my 2 cents that the OP is paid to do this job and probably one of the numerous people who have other handles to cause disaffection amongst those who have chosen to forge forward with their destinies. No matter how hard they try to continually enslave us with their rethorics, many Igbos are waking up to their responsibility of knowing who they are and being proud of it. Those who have chosen to be slaves to the Fulani people,I cannot quarrel with your choice of being in perpetual servitude. But endeavor not to drag the Igbos along on the path of self destruction. We are a Nation and a people who are born free and it would remain that way. Stop trying to make us reason in the slavish manner which your fathers have trained you to be it would never work. We are freeborns and have a right to self determination.

If Biafra is about ''Igbos'' why do you keep adding the Delta region to your phantom map?

Surely it's not because of their multi-billion dollar oil deposits?

Methinks you are manipulating the imported 'tribe' concept for oil and gas - based ambitions.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 6:44am On Feb 22, 2020
danvon:
Yes and the Igbos is not an ethnic group but also an amalgamation of peoples



So was it colonialism that made Hausas to invade the Yaribas?

Those were not ''ethnic'' based wars, but normal wars of conquest between rival powerful regions, fuelled in that instance by the imported Arab religion, and accompanying evangelist motives by the invaders.


Your talking as if Africa was a land of great peace and unity before colonialism

Tell that to Anthony Joshua proud of being a Yoruba explain to him that his tribalism is useless if tribalism was so deadly for us how come it has still stayed and survived?

This is a very false misrepresentation of your ancestors, did you know your ancestors saw nothing wrong with Human sacrifice?

How do YOU know there is something wrong with 'human sacrifice'?

Have you ever sought to understand the philosophy behind it?

Or even research its prevalence?

The white man just came and said ''we'' conducted human sacrifice. And that colours your understanding of ALL African religion, including when and where no such practices existed.

The white man killed over religion.. It was called the Inquiisition. The Crusades. Nice names for murder in the name of religion.






Previously integrated people... i drop my pen



Why do you drop your pen?

Did you ever hear about ''Igbos'' versus ''Yoruba'' wars or enmity in pre-colonial times?

Conflicts were often between neighbouring clans who spoke the same language, but apparently DID NOT see themselves as ''one people'', or they wouldn't fight such bloody wars against each other.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by g0tze: 6:53am On Feb 22, 2020
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Rossinnki:
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There were no ethnic groups in Nigeria prior to the colonial era.

There was nothing like a Yoruba man.

Or a Hausa man.

Or an Igbo man.

That way of identifying people simply did not exist.

Message to secessionists:

Biafra is NOT your father's history.

Even the name Biafra is Portuguese.

There was no sense of Igbo nationhood prior to the colonial era.

So the whole 'Biafra' concept - the very concept of there being an ''Igbo people'' is European-originated, oriented, and influenced.

Your ''Igbo identity'' is a Tokunbo notion, every bit as foreign as your average, dodgy 2nd-hand junk.

Prior to the colonial era, the fact that you spoke the same language as another person did not mean you were of the same ''ethnic group'', different from those who spoke a different language.

That simply was NOT how we viewed ourselves in AFRICA.

Kinship and group identity were about blood connection and lineage, which transcended languages spoken, and often involved various languages existing within the same kinship group caused inter alia, by migration and inter-marriage.

In pre-colonial times, you were not ''an Igbo person''. You were a person who spoke Igbo language. Finish.

What identified you was your clan and your village or town, and your lineage therein, not the language you spoke.

There were Igbo-speaking groups who knew their cousins that spoke Yoruba or Edo a 100 miles away, and were closer to them by lineage than to Igbo-speaking communities even in the next town.

That is how we were. It wasn't about the language you spoke.

Today, out of European-influenced modern triibalism, we find previously connected people and communities now separating themselves by language, and denying ancestral links with those who speak a different language.

ALL OF THAT IS COLONIAL-INFLUENCED.

If you don't know your history, let us, your elders tell you your history.

Every person who hates another because they are supposedly of a ''different ethnic group'' is acting out the playbook written by 18th century European colonizers who came here to divide and conquer, and is NOT following in the ways of our fathers.

Thank You.
[/s]This post was created to spite the igbo nation.

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 6:54am On Feb 22, 2020
g0tze:
[s][/s]This post was created to spite the igbo nation.

Cancelling out words means nothing.

They can still be read.

If the TRUTH about your past ''spites'' you, then it's obvious you've got a problem with your past, and accepting your heritage.

That heritage does not support the hateful person you've become, based on language differences, a colonial-wrought demarcation.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by danvon(m): 7:04am On Feb 22, 2020
Rossinnki:


How do YOU know there is something wrong with 'human sacrifice'?

Have we ever sought to understand the philosophy behind it?

Or even research its prevalence?

The white man just came and said ''we'' conducted human sacrifice. And that colours your understanding of ALL African religion, including when and where no such practices existed.

The white man killed over religion.. It was called the Inquiisition. The Crusades. Nice names for murder in the name of religion.

Yes but unlike you white people are not saying we should return back to the days of the Inquisition they understand history a little bit




Rossinnki:


Why do you drop your pen?

Did you ever hear about ''Igbos'' versus ''Yoruba'' wars or enmity in pre-colonial times?

Conflicts were often between neighbouring clans who spoke the name language, but apparently DID NOT see themselves as ''one people'', or they wouldn't fight such bloody wars against each other.

There you've said it Our ancestors fought each other before colonialism and they didn't see themselves as one people

But how do you know they were one people?

The idea of African unity was also invented by Whites when they were trying to justify their racism, we are all the same to them

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 7:20am On Feb 22, 2020
danvon:
Yes but unlike you white people are not saying we should return back to the days of the Inquisition they understand history a little bit

They still conduct human sacrifice. Such as the recent sacrifice of 1 million Iraqis by a US president who stated he was asked by God to invade Iraq and Afhghanistan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml

There you've said it Our ancestors fought each other before colonialism and they didn't see themselves as one people

But how do you know they were one people?

The idea of African unity was also invented by Whites when they were trying to justify their racism, we are all the same to them

I said language was NOT a basis for ethnicity in precolonial times.

Language was not what united people, and language difference was not what separated people or led to animosity between groups, as is the case today.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by orisa37: 7:29am On Feb 22, 2020
Rossinnki:
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There were no ethnic groups in Nigeria prior to the colonial era.

There was nothing like a Yoruba man.

Or a Hausa man.

Or an Igbo man.

That way of identifying people simply did not exist.

Message to secessionists:

Biafra is NOT your father's history.

Even the name Biafra is Portuguese.

There was no sense of Igbo nationhood prior to the colonial era.

So the whole 'Biafra' concept - the very concept of there being an ''Igbo people'' is European-originated, oriented, and influenced.

Your ''Igbo identity'' is a Tokunbo notion, every bit as foreign as your average, dodgy 2nd-hand junk.

Prior to the colonial era, the fact that you spoke the same language as another person did not mean you were of the same ''ethnic group'', different from those who spoke a different language.

That simply was NOT how we viewed ourselves in AFRICA.

Kinship and group identity were about blood connection and lineage, which transcended languages spoken, and often involved various languages existing within the same kinship group caused inter alia, by migration and inter-marriage.

In pre-colonial times, you were not ''an Igbo person''. You were a person who spoke Igbo language. Finish.

What identified you was your clan and your village or town, and your lineage therein, not the language you spoke.

There were Igbo-speaking groups who knew their cousins that spoke Yoruba or Edo a 100 miles away, and were closer to them by lineage than to Igbo-speaking communities even in the next town.

That is how we were. It wasn't about the language you spoke.

Today, out of European-influenced modern triibalism, we find previously connected people and communities now separating themselves by language, and denying ancestral links with those who speak a different language.

ALL OF THAT IS COLONIAL-INFLUENCED.

If you don't know your history, let us, your elders tell you your history.

Every person who hates another because they are supposedly of a ''different ethnic group'' is acting out the playbook written by 18th century European colonizers who came here to divide and conquer, and is NOT following in the ways of our fathers.

Thank You.




PURE PHILOSOPHY. NO POLITICS: NO ECONOMY AND NO COORDINATE SPIRITOLOGY.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by goodnessme1(f): 7:39am On Feb 22, 2020
All this ranting just because you still want to share a country with people you love to hate.

We Igbos are not in anyway related to yorubas.

Igbos are light skin,yorubas are dark.

We don't think alike.

Our culture is not in anyway similar.

Food differ.





God bless Ipob.

God bless mazi Nnamdi Kanu.

God bless all lovers of freedom.

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by danvon(m): 8:24am On Feb 22, 2020
Rossinnki:


They still conduct human sacrifice. Such as the recent sacrifice of 1 million Iraqis by a US president who stated he was asked by God to invade Iraq and Afhghanistan.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2005/10_october/06/bush.shtml



I said language was NOT a basis for ethnicity in precolonial times.

Language was not what united people, and language difference was not what separated people or led to animosity between groups, as is the case today.

Language is not a basis for unity today many Igbos can speak Yoruba very well and they are not seen as Yoruba people they don't see themselves as Yoruba either

Just look at North/South Korea at war, although they speak the same language

Language isn't what is dividing people today, it is ideologies
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by orisa37: 8:57am On Feb 22, 2020
There were ODUDUWA and YORUBA WORDS IN THE BEGINNING.

ODUDUWA is ANOINTED: YORUBA is SAVIOUR.

Even though, the name Biafra is Portuguese, It's still a relevant History, probably from Babel.




Language is simply The Sorter of Tribes also from Babel

Every person who discriminates another because they are supposedly of a ''different ethnic group'' is demonstrating Understanding. The way of our fathers is the Word that was with The CREATOR in The Beginning and practicalised at Babel.

You have written a good story as you reason it out. You have an "A". Keep it up.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Nobody: 9:07am On Feb 22, 2020
goodnessme1:
All this ranting just because you still want to share a country with people you love to hate.

We Igbos are not in anyway related to yorubas.

Igbos are light skin,yorubas are dark.

We don't think alike.

Our culture is not in anyway similar.

Food differ.





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Good bless you for the wonderful submission.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by hammerU: 9:08am On Feb 22, 2020
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Rossinnki:
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There were no ethnic groups in Nigeria prior to the colonial era.

There was nothing like a Yoruba man.

Or a Hausa man.

Or an Igbo man.

That way of identifying people simply did not exist.

Message to secessionists:

Biafra is NOT your father's history.

Even the name Biafra is Portuguese.

There was no sense of Igbo nationhood prior to the colonial era.

So the whole 'Biafra' concept - the very concept of there being an ''Igbo people'' is European-originated, oriented, and influenced.

Your ''Igbo identity'' is a Tokunbo notion, every bit as foreign as your average, dodgy 2nd-hand junk.

Prior to the colonial era, the fact that you spoke the same language as another person did not mean you were of the same ''ethnic group'', different from those who spoke a different language.

That simply was NOT how we viewed ourselves in AFRICA.

Kinship and group identity were about blood connection and lineage, which transcended languages spoken, and often involved various languages existing within the same kinship group caused inter alia, by migration and inter-marriage.

In pre-colonial times, you were not ''an Igbo person''. You were a person who spoke Igbo language. Finish.

What identified you was your clan and your village or town, and your lineage therein, not the language you spoke.

There were Igbo-speaking groups who knew their cousins that spoke Yoruba or Edo a 100 miles away, and were closer to them by lineage than to Igbo-speaking communities even in the next town.

That is how we were. It wasn't about the language you spoke.

Today, out of European-influenced modern triibalism, we find previously connected people and communities now separating themselves by language, and denying ancestral links with those who speak a different language.

ALL OF THAT IS COLONIAL-INFLUENCED.

If you don't know your history, let us, your elders tell you your history.

Every person who hates another because they are supposedly of a ''different ethnic group'' is acting out the playbook written by 18th century European colonizers who came here to divide and conquer, and is NOT following in the ways of our fathers.

Thank You.
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DEM TAKE IGBO DO JUJU FOR UNA?


NA ASK, I DEY ASK.

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Dedetwo(m): 10:14am On Feb 22, 2020
Rossinnki:


It's already here jnside your stinking anus.

Not in actual reality.


Why are you twisted out of human form because of the mention of Biafra? You can still have your shithole called Nigeria after Biafra or preferably the Republic of Igbo Land has been actualized.

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Dedetwo(m): 10:18am On Feb 22, 2020
Rossinnki:


You're the one who reasons like a drunkard.

The Chinese are not an ethnic group, but an amalgamation of peoples.

Ethnic groups did not arise in Africa ''out of necessity''.

It was the white man that came in and told YOU that you were ''an Igbo man''. And separated you through stroke of a pen, from a ''Yoruba man''. and an ''Hausa man'', many of whom were hitherto your known blood relatives!

Comparing it to using a phone is ignorant. A phone is helpful. Tribalism is the opposite.

You don't have to use EVERY import they send you. You have the ability to decide which to discard, based on their impact on your society.

TRIBALISM IS UNAFRICAN

DE-TRIBALIZATION is AFRICAN.

Living as a detribalized person means going back to the ways of our ancestors, who judged a man not by the language he spoke, but by the content of his character.

Seeing yourself as a ''Yoruba man'' or an ''Igbo man'' is playing out the Divide and Rule agenda of colonizers, whose aim was always to bring disunity among previously integrated peoples, on order to exploit the continent.

If your dumb brain was around when Mao and his people were fighting other Chinese to actualize today's China, you would have called him names. You are too childish to pay a mind.

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Obergilgamesh11: 11:54am On Feb 22, 2020
Rossinnki:
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There were no ethnic groups in Nigeria prior to the colonial era.

There was nothing like a Yoruba man.

Or a Hausa man.

Or an Igbo man.

That way of identifying people simply did not exist.

Message to secessionists:

Biafra is NOT your father's history.

Even the name Biafra is Portuguese.

There was no sense of Igbo nationhood prior to the colonial era.

So the whole 'Biafra' concept - the very concept of there being an ''Igbo people'' is European-originated, oriented, and influenced.

Your ''Igbo identity'' is a Tokunbo notion, every bit as foreign as your average, dodgy 2nd-hand junk.

Prior to the colonial era, the fact that you spoke the same language as another person did not mean you were of the same ''ethnic group'', different from those who spoke a different language.

That simply was NOT how we viewed ourselves in AFRICA.

Kinship and group identity were about blood connection and lineage, which transcended languages spoken, and often involved various languages existing within the same kinship group caused inter alia, by migration and inter-marriage.

In pre-colonial times, you were not ''an Igbo person''. You were a person who spoke Igbo language. Finish.

What identified you was your clan and your village or town, and your lineage therein, not the language you spoke.

There were Igbo-speaking groups who knew their cousins that spoke Yoruba or Edo a 100 miles away, and were closer to them by lineage than to Igbo-speaking communities even in the next town.

That is how we were. It wasn't about the language you spoke.

Today, out of European-influenced modern triibalism, we find previously connected people and communities now separating themselves by language, and denying ancestral links with those who speak a different language.

ALL OF THAT IS COLONIAL-INFLUENCED.

If you don't know your history, let us, your elders tell you your history.

Every person who hates another because they are supposedly of a ''different ethnic group'' is acting out the playbook written by 18th century European colonizers who came here to divide and conquer, and is NOT following in the ways of our fathers.

Thank You.

Ummunem, onye a bu onye fulani akwuru ugwo k'obute ogbaghara n'etiti mba ndi ozo. Mana, o dara ada. You have failed. Firstly, your arguments have no leg to stand on. The colonizers didn't introduce ethnicity, they simply observed and documented it. Even before colonial times in the 1700s, Igbo slaves in the Americas already identified as Igbos (Eboe). They didn't need any white man telling them what to call themselves.
There was nothing like Germany until mid to late 19th century when the different peoples were unified by Bismarck. What you had were Bayerns, Prussians, Swabians, Sorbians etc. Was that also a "tokunbo" identity given than it was the ancient Romans who observed and documented the Alemanni or Germania ethnicity? I don't expect you to know these or have any answer to them given the kind of half baked quasi intellectuals been churned out by the conveyor belt of the "higher" institutions of the Zoo, administered by the Fulani.
A great preponderance of Igbos worldwide are beginning to wake up. The Igbo and Biafran consciousness is inexorably heading to a crescendo and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
There are now Igbos in very high places in every single country on our mother planet; Japanese Igbos, Canadian Igbos, American Igbos, German Igbos, Italian Igbos, Spanish Igbos, Finnish Igbos, Danish Igbos, Austrian Igbos etc etc. Some are mixed race and even upto the 3rd generation, but they all still retain and identify with their Igboness.
MARK MY WORDS, when Igbos finally reach a consensus(which is not too distant given the current happenings), we will push for a separate nation and if you the Fulani try once again the 67-70 debacle to stop us, you will be endangering your very existence at least in the geographic space called Nigeria. There will be nowhere to hide and nobody to come to your aid as the geopolitical and economic climate of the 60's are no longer what is obtainable. Your time and resources should be better channeled towards planning for the aftermath than being here on a faceless forum fighting a losing battle.
Be Warned!

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by NimrodEndOfDays(m): 2:29pm On Feb 22, 2020
Rossinnki:


If Biafra is about ''Igbos'' why do you keep adding the Delta region to your phantom map?

Surely it's not because of their multi-billion dollar oil deposits?

Methinks you are manipulating the imported 'tribe' concept for oil and gas - based ambitions.
There are Igbos in the SS of rivers and Delta state. If they have Oil is an added advantage. And you are in no position to determine who stays with us or not. I wonder why Everything has to be about oil to you people.

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Yujin(m): 4:53pm On Feb 22, 2020
The OP is deranged. Igbo, IPOB and Biafra is giving him nightmares. Go and tell your sponsors that they're wasting their time with us. We're a free people and will always remain so. You can have your Nigeria with your willing slaves. Biafra will come whatever maybe the cost. Whatever sacrifice that needs to be done will be done. Continue registering new monickers to engage in your deceptive antics. You're only fooling around.

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 7:32pm On Feb 22, 2020
Obergilgamesh11:


Ummunem, onye a bu onye fulani akwuru ugwo k'obute ogbaghara n'etiti mba ndi ozo. Mana, o dara ada. You have failed. Firstly, your arguments have no leg to stand on. The colonizers didn't introduce ethnicity, they simply observed and documented it. Even before colonial times in the 1700s, Igbo slaves in the Americas already identified as Igbos (Eboe). They didn't need any white man telling them what to call themselves.
There was nothing like Germany until mid to late 19th century when the different peoples were unified by Bismarck. What you had were Bayerns, Prussians, Swabians, Sorbians etc. Was that also a "tokunbo" identity given than it was the ancient Romans who observed and documented the Alemanni or Germania ethnicity? I don't expect you to know these or have any answer to them given the kind of half baked quasi intellectuals been churned out by the conveyor belt of the "higher" institutions of the Zoo, administered by the Fulani.
A great preponderance of Igbos worldwide are beginning to wake up. The Igbo and Biafran consciousness is inexorably heading to a crescendo and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
There are now Igbos in very high places in every single country on our mother planet; Japanese Igbos, Canadian Igbos, American Igbos, German Igbos, Italian Igbos, Spanish Igbos, Finnish Igbos, Danish Igbos, Austrian Igbos etc etc. Some are mixed race and even upto the 3rd generation, but they all still retain and identify with their Igboness.
MARK MY WORDS, when Igbos finally reach a consensus(which is not too distant given the current happenings), we will push for a separate nation and if you the Fulani try once again the 67-70 debacle to stop us, you will be endangering your very existence at least in the geographic space called Nigeria. There will be nowhere to hide and nobody to come to your aid as the geopolitical and economic climate of the 60's are no longer what is obtainable. Your time and resources should be better channeled towards planning for the aftermath than being here on a faceless forum fighting a losing battle.
Be Warned!

I thought you were intelligent and sophisticated until you showed your level by making assumptions as to where I was from, while knowing zilch about me. You're no different from any street IPOB urchin therefore. Disgusting.

I've no idea what brought in Germany to all this.

Utterly irrelevant to what occurred in Africa.

If Igbo slaves ''self identified'' according to an ethnic group, why was the term ''eboes'' used in slave era documents, and not IGBOS? Was it them that named themselves ''Eboes'' or was it the white man?

Of course it was the white man, based on the fact that they spoke the Igbo language.

That doesn't mean the original populations the slaves left in Africa identified themselves as ''Igbo people'', much less ''eboes''.

''Before European colonization, the Igbo were not united as a single people but lived in autonomous local communities.''

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Igbo

Funny how the white man knows your own history better than you.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Antivirus92(m): 8:32pm On Feb 22, 2020
this unitelligent man made a post of ethnic groups being unafrican,,,
he then focused all his writings on igbo people,,
is igbo the only ethnic group in africa?
Writing a heap load of rubbish

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by 0m0nnakoda: 8:35pm On Feb 22, 2020
You haven't thought this one through

Is the concept of Africanness valid?


What does it mean?

How can we talk about what is not African?

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Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 9:31pm On Feb 22, 2020
0m0nnakoda:
You haven't thought this one through

Is the concept of Africanness valid?


What does it mean?

How can we talk about what is not African?

We can talk of it in terms of what people on the continent we call 'Africa' practised before the colonial takeover of the land.

If we didn't practise language-based ethnicity and consequent tribalism till they introduced it, then the practice is unAfrican.
Re: The Concept Of Belonging To An 'Ethnic Group' Is UnAfrican. Discuss. by Rossinnki: 9:36pm On Feb 22, 2020
This is not just about Igbos, even though Igbos draw attention because of IPOB's ethnicity-based secession ideology.

But here's what research equally says about Yorubas:

''The Yoruba have shared a common language and culture for centuries but were probably never a single political unit. They seem to have migrated from the east to their present lands west of the lower Niger River more than a millennium ago.''

https://www.britannica.com/topic/Yoruba


The same is true of Hausas:

''Because of their wide geographical distribution and intermarriage and interaction with different peoples, the Hausa are a heterogeneous people, with a variety of cultural and physical features as well as diverse histories.'' [In plain English, they are not One people]

https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences-and-law/anthropology-and-archaeology/people/hausa


Same is true of the Edo people:

''Edo-speaking peoples include not only the Edo proper but also the Ishan, the Etsako, the Ivbiosakon, the Akoko Edo, the Ineme, the Urhobo, and the Isoko.'' [in plain English, there's nothing like an ''Edo ethnic group'' or ''Edo tribe''. What we have are ''Edo-speaking peoples'']


https://www.encyclopedia.com/places/asia/japanese-political-geography/edo
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It goes on and on...

Nigerians, Isn't it a shame that the white man knows your history better than you?

And then some of us, when we try to educate you, we are met by abuse and curses?

Why are you allergic to the truth?

Which is that THERE IS NO BASIS for the ethnicity you practise today.

ZERO BASIS. wink

It's all a colonial CON JOB to divide us.

And boy did they succeed.

Read those quotes above one more time.

They are telling you (in so much big grammar) that before they invaded & colonised you, you did not differentiate yourselves on ethnic basis!

Not only that. You did not identify yourselves on ethnic basis.

Heck, our ancestors likely considered it an abomination to do so.

Every day you wake up, and see yourself as an ''Igbo man'', or a ''Yoruba man'', or a ''Hausa man'', especially in opposition to other so-called ''ethnic groups'', you are simply acting out the colonialist's agenda. The agenda of Babylon. You are being a slave and a robot to European political machination. A very TRIBUTE to European social engineering, and a vivid, sad demonstration of your colonial conquest and conditioning.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff_7HsTYHnw

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