invisible!:

Cheap question. All the cars has numbers written on the sides, so its easy to see taxis with 543, 374 etc on the sides. I think it is still in its hundreds as I have not seen numbers like 1184.

Huh

Kobojunkie:

Huh

Yes Enugu is working, everything is orderly here.

^^^ I believe the original question, which remains unanswered is, how many jobs have actually been created? Where do you get your numbers from?

Kobojunkie:

^^^ I believe the original question, which remains unanswered is, how many jobs have actually been created? Where do you get your numbers from?

from the way it is they havent i.e one person will apply for to get one of those cars and it wont change much

but if it wasx company it would make a different i.e it would ger more people from admin to the labours

those are my thoughts

Kobojunkie:

^^^ I believe the original question, which remains unanswered is, how many jobs have actually been created? Where do you get your numbers from?

Nobody is quoting any figures. But its obvious that lives have been affected positively, other businesses boosted, food on the tables of many families, ordinary folks moving from point A to B with air-conditioner sound proofs (at-least feel big within those minutes), and its been a boost to the state too.

Imagine its indirect effects on schools, healthcare, banks, mechanics shops, car wash, gas stations, etc.

egift:

Nobody is quoting any figures. But its obvious that lives have been affected positively, other businesses boosted, food on the tables of many families, ordinary folks moving from point A to B with air-conditioner sound proofs (at-least feel big within those minutes), and its been a boost to the state too.

Imagine its indirect effects on schools, healthcare, banks, mechanics shops, car wash, gas stations, etc.

we might not agree but most people wont feel the its effect

egift:

Nobody is quoting any figures. But its obvious that lives have been affected positively, other businesses boosted, food on the tables of many families, ordinary folks moving from point A to B with air-conditioner sound proofs (at-least feel big within those minutes), and its been a boost to the state too.

Imagine its indirect effects on schools, healthcare, banks, mechanics shops, car wash, gas stations, etc.

Obvious how? How do you know all this HAS HAPPENED? Where is the data to back all this up? And this brings me back again to the very first question, how many actual jobs have been created? Note that the original question was not What do you think it will do, or how do you think it will do it. The question was how many people have actually gotten jobs in this case , how many people have actually been affected in a positive manner by this? How many drivers have signed off and been given cars under this scheme? etc

I don't have those figures. I mean the exacts.

But you make it sound as if it has been all a waste of time. Atleast those drivers have been gainfully employed. And they are in their hundreds now. I stand by the notion its been a good initiative.

egift:

I don't have those figures. I mean the exacts.

But you make it sound as if it has been all a waste of time. Atleast those drivers have been gainfully employed. And they are in their hundreds now. I stand by the notion its been a good initiative.

Do not spend your time with that junkie. I guarantee you it will be a wasted time. Avoid her like a plague.

invisible!:

Cheap question. All the cars has numbers written on the sides, so its easy to see taxis with 543, 374 etc on the sides. I think it is still in its hundreds as I have not seen numbers like 1184.

That doesn't prove the numbers tho because they may start numbering them in 3 digits. So, the first one will be #100 instead of #1.

egift:

I don't have those figures. I mean the exacts.

But you make it sound as if it has been all a waste of time. Atleast those drivers have been gainfully employed. And they are in their hundreds now. I stand by the notion its been a good initiative.

You don't have the figures but you went ahead to make DEFINITE claims on this, Why? Where did you get this story of it being obvious how it is ALREADY CAUSING changes at the low levels?

You make you first mistake when you try to assume I am doing something you cannot confirm I am doing or not doing in any of my posts. I simply asked a question -- I expected factual data of some sort, not LIES. You trying to make stuff up does not taint me in anyway but only causes me to wonder if I should trust any numbers you come up with next.

Kobojunkie:

You don't have the figures but you went ahead to make DEFINITE claims on this, Why? Where did you get this story of it being obvious how it is ALREADY CAUSING changes at the low levels?

You make you first mistake when you try to assume I am doing something you cannot confirm I am doing or not doing in any of my posts. I simply asked a question -- I expected factual data of some sort, not LIES. You trying to make stuff up does not taint me in anyway but only causes me to wonder if I should trust any numbers you come up with next.

And who is feeding you figures?

Take it or leave it - The taxi initiative in Enugu have been a commendable one and its definitely [b]obvious [/b]that it is affecting many people in the State positively. Am very proud of it.

^^^ Thanks but no thanks !!!

Let those who actually have information on this answer the question please.

Aloy+Emeka:

Dude, I am not your mate. Go back to school and finish first and you you will understand. You may name "essential" parts of your cars that are manufactured solely by the auto companies. May be you need to check the meaning of outsourcing first before opening your mouth here.

Aloy+Emeka:

You get time for that fool.

You are are blabbing m@r@n. Let us examine why your are in fact an !diot. By your definition Nigeria manufacures satallites because we outsource the actual production of the parts. Mumu. How can you outsource the core of a bussiness? Dumbass.

Keep ranting

@ mariory

Guy, I hav followed ur argument wt d other dude. He's damn right about his explanations. I think u should listen to him and read up more. Ur analogy isn't competent enough to match what he's trying to prove, incidetally, he's correct.

Auto manufacturing was never given priority in the scheme of things at the federal level, until the establishment of six assembly plants (two for cars and four for trucks), namely, Peugeot Automobile Nigeria Limited (now PAN Nigeria Limited), Kaduna in 1975; Volkswagen of Nigeria Limited (VWoN), Lagos); Anambra Motor Manufacturing Limited (ANAMMCO), (Emene-Enugu) in 1980; Steyr Nigeria Limited, Bauchi; National Truck Manufacturers (NTM, Kano for Fiat); and Leyland Nigeria Limited, Ibadan.

http://www.nigerianbestforum.com/blog/?p=52646

Anambra Motor Manufacturing Company Limited (ANAMMCO)
Assembly of Mercedes-benz, Trucks, Coaches and Buses.
Address: Emene Industrial Layout, P.M.B. 2523, Enugu.[/b][/b]

http://www.nigeriagalleria.com/Manufacturing_and_Production/Automobile_and_Tyres.html

It's not hard to google information on ANAMMCO. They say ignorance is bliss. In this case, it seems they are right. Yes ANAMMCO is ermm "outsourcing". *rolleyes*

Carry on.

^^^

U got me wrong. I'm not interested in if ANAMCO outsources locally or not, in fact I don't know. I'm only referring to his general manufacturing systems outsourcing concept. I remember his mentioning OEMs in Nnewi supplying locally fabricated parts wc is same wt every auto manufacturer all over d world. U citing from d company's website isn't effective enough in ds case as u also will not usually c d listing of EOMs on other auto manufacturer's website. Absence of wc doesn't imply non-existence. U can take a try.

Enugu is developing oh; And I heard their girls are hot. . .

homerac7:

^^^
U got me wrong. I'm not interested in if ANAMCO outsources locally or not, in fact I don't know. I'm only referring to his general manufacturing systems outsourcing concept.

So what was the point of you butting in? You don't even have a clue on what the unpleasant exchange was about. I could give two craps about his outsourcing concept as it was irrelevant to what ANAMMCO actually is.

homerac7:

I remember his mentioning OEMs in Nnewi supplying locally fabricated parts wc is same wt every auto manufacturer all over d world. U citing from d company's website isn't effective enough in ds case as u also will not usually c d listing of EOMs on other auto manufacturer's website. Absence of wc doesn't imply non-existence. U can take a try.

I really don't know what you going on about. I imagine you don't either. So for clarity, ANAMMCO is an assembly plant. They do not manufacture the vehicle parts, they assemble them. That is the function of the plant; assembly. As such they are not actually outsourcing the jobs of manufacturing these vehicle parts. If that is so hard to understand then good riddance.

*sigh*

^^^

It's obvious dt u r ignorant of d workings of manufacturing upstream supply chain systems, more unfortunate is dt u don't know dt u don't know and won't accept dt. In dt case I give up, u win. Bye bye.

^^^ I disagree. He is making a point that you are possibly overlooking. This  all started when I corrected someone earlier. The ANNAMCO company is a Mercedes benz ASSEMBLY plant, not a manufacturing group. There are plants that are used for Manufacturing purposes(does not mean 100% of the materials are even made there), and there are plants that are used solely for Assembly purposes.

Outsourcing, which is not a new concept, does not change anything in definition of what constitutes a manufacturing plant and what doesn't. Companies have always used various contractors to get themselves bits and pieces that make up a larger and final product.

Whether the production of a specific component is outsourced, or not, does not change the fact that a main product is manufactured by the manufacturer. I mean if company A in Aba get's it's threads from Company X in Lagos State, and it's fabric from[b] company Y[/b] in Bayelsa, this will not change the fact that company A, where the thread and fabric are then used to sew clothing(which is the final product) remains a manufacturing company.

Another very imbecilic argument. . .

homerac7:

^^^

It's obvious dt u r ignorant of d workings of manufacturing upstream supply chain systems, more unfortunate is dt u don't know dt u don't know and won't accept dt. In dt case I give up, u win. Bye bye.

*Sigh* ok back to topic ---

Good one for Enugu and hope the roads are being worked on

@ kobojunkie,

What's d correlation btw manufacturing n assembly? One is a subset of d other. Connect d dots n c d logic.

homerac7:

@ kobojunkie,

What's d correlation btw manufacturing n assembly? One is a subset of d other. Connect d dots n c d logic.

The connection is not made by you and I but decided by the companies themselves. A car company holds the right to decide what units are to be considered Assembly plants and which to be considered manufacturing plants, all based on companies own idea of what arm handles what function. In this case, AANAMCO is set as an Assembly plant.

Here's another example of a Merc Benz assembly plant

http://www.emercedesbenz.com/autos/mercedes-benz/corporate-news/mercedes-benz-assembly-plants-in-rastatt-are-a-success/

Here is a manufacturing plant for the same company

http://www.daimler.com/dccom/0-5-8789-1-587113-1-0-0-0-0-0-91-7145-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.html

@kobojunkie, in today world the definition of manufactured in? Or made in? is becoming vague
Eg. Airbus. Who makes airbus aeroplanes? The A320 is assembled in France, the wings made in Italy, the fuselage in Germany, the engine- rollroyce in Britain. The interior decor is France of which must of the materials are mostly Italy. The seat is china.
The avionic is most Swiss , Britain and I think israel.

Eg2, iPhone; it is designed in California, "made" in china by a taiwanis company, the frame is chinese, 60% of the parts are surprisely European, then the rest American.

Eg3. Most European mid-level designers and especially Next suits are made in Italy by chinese companies, Chinese labor, chinese tailoring, fabric made in china yet the clothing is rightfully tagged made in Italy .

macjive01:

@kobojunkie, in today world the definition of manufactured in? Or made in? is becoming vague
Eg. Airbus. Who makes airbus aeroplanes? The A320 is assembled in France, the wings made in Italy, the fuselage in Germany, the engine- rollroyce in Britain. The interior decor is France of which must of the materials are mostly Italy. The seat is china.
The avionic is most Swiss , Britain and I think israel.

Eg2, iPhone; it is designed in California, "made" in china by a taiwanis company, the frame is chinese, 60% of the parts are surprisely European, then the rest American.

Eg3. Most European mid-level designers and especially Next suits are made in Italy by chinese companies, Chinese labor, chinese tailoring, fabric made in china yet the clothing is rightfully tagged made in Italy .

I don't think so. What you describe above has been the case for so so long. I am not sure why it is NOW that the line decides to go blurry, when it is not really the case that companies started outsourcing the making of parts necessary for their product to other nations or companies.

So kobo, in my eg1 wud one say the plane is made in France or assembled in France ?
Before u answer, the plane is refered to be made in France even as, thanks to body mass, 70% of it's components are made outside France.

macjive01:

So kobo, in my eg1 wud one say the plane is made in France or assembled in France ?
Before u answer, the plane is refered to be made in France even as, thanks to body mass, 70% of it's components are made outside France.

The company makes the decision, not you, or I.

Hahahaha so the company makes the decision abi ? So why r u then having a fit when a company in Nigeria mks same "decision" on it's product ??