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God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Preciousgirl(f): 11:03am On Apr 08, 2020
Mark 13:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 11:12am On Apr 08, 2020
Myopic interpretation of the scripture.
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Franzinni: 11:16am On Apr 08, 2020
Some Christians need to use their brain so God has chosen who will die and who will live to what gain ?

Do you mean God just one day say the small child that house collapsed on in anambra has lived long enough and she has to come back abi how does it work?
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nukilia: 11:17am On Apr 08, 2020
Preciousgirl:

Mark 13:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

grin grin when did you become a preacher? cheesy cheesy
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by mixratio(m): 11:19am On Apr 08, 2020
That's true and they are those that repent of their sins through the blood of Jesus and live a consistent holy life by the help of the holy spirit.

Those are the people that God has chosen to be saved.

The call to salvation however is to whomever will.

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Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by kingxsamz(m): 11:31am On Apr 08, 2020
Franzinni:


Do you mean God just one day say the small child that house collapsed on in anambra has lived long enough and she has to come back abi how does it work?

Yes.
Because he knew it was going to happen, and he saw it happen, yet did nothing.

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Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Franzinni: 11:35am On Apr 08, 2020
kingxsamz:


Yes.
Because he knew it was going to happen, and he saw it happen, yet did nothing.
so God enjoys people suffering ...because that child would have suffered pain and it doesn't stop there .. Her mother ...her father... All her family will be in pain too ... So God just allows it to happen ? Strange

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Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by pesty100(m): 1:27pm On Apr 08, 2020
Preciousgirl:

Mark 13:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.
that is it, he always gets to choose who lives but then it seems he doesn't make the right decision. Boko haram people are there Hale and hearty no virus where does he go to do his killings Italy where the pope is. Yah you see
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 2:06pm On Apr 08, 2020
Preciousgirl:

Mark 13:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

It refers to the little flock of Christians CHOSEN amongst the worldwide Organization of TRUE Christians to rule with Jesus in heaven! Luke 12:32

Their number is 144,000. Anybody can decide to become a Christian but you can't decide to become a born again, only God decides that! Revelations 14:1

God will end all these plagues but first the born agains must be gathered with Christ in heaven, that's why God's word said it's on their account that those evil days will be caught short! smiley
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Danhumprey: 2:28pm On Apr 08, 2020
Franzinni:
Some Christians need to use their brain so God has chosen who will die and who will live to what gain ?

Do you mean God just one day say the small child that house collapsed on in anambra has lived long enough and she has to come back abi how does it work?
Predestination. The doctrine of predestination. cheesy
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Eviana(f): 4:12pm On Apr 08, 2020
Preciousgirl:

Mark 13:20 King James Version (KJV)
20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved: but for the elect's sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days.

The "elect" mean those that have chosen to surrender their lives to God.
He says, "chosen", because HE knows who those people are who have chosen Him. God has called or say "chosen" ALL to repentance, however many will not receive His call or choose Him.
Pre-destination is a false doctrine AND would label the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel a liar...which He is not, can not, nor will ever be.

The Bible gives countless scripture verses clearly stating that ALL have a choice: serve the Lord or serve the enemy.
That's it...there is no straddling the fence.
The God of the Old Testament is the same God of the New Testament.
There is still an opportunity to surrender to Christ while one us still alive and hasn't silenced the Holy Spirit's voice.


Joshua 24:15 (KJV)

15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord.


1 Kings 18:21 (KJV)

21 And Elijah came unto all the people, and said, How long halt ye between two opinions? if the Lord be God, follow him: but if Baal, then follow him. And the people answered him not a word
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Hebrews 12:1-2 (KJV)

12 Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us,

2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God.



Revelation 3:21 (KJV)

21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 7:09pm On Apr 08, 2020
kingxsamz:


Yes.
Because he knew it was going to happen, and he saw it happen, yet did nothing.

What a God
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 7:14pm On Apr 08, 2020
I find it annoying that all these so called born again Christians and their Muslim brothers believe and see the white man's religion as holy and supreme but perceive and see and refer to African traditional religion as the handwork of the devil.

If you claim you're a Christian and believe in it then you should as well believe in African religion it's simple....

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Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by StrikeBack(m): 7:19pm On Apr 08, 2020
Xavfra:
I find it annoying that all these so called born again Christians and their Muslim brothers believe and see the white man's religion as holy and supreme but perceive and see and refer to African traditional religion as the handwork of the devil.

If you claim you're a Christian and believe in it then you should as well believe in African religion it's simple....

OtemAtum
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Fine!

But one thing I want you to understand is ATR cannot generate money the way Islam and christianity does. ATR does not have explicit text anywhere( not seen)

Religion is a tool for control.


Forgive my typo

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Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 7:26pm On Apr 08, 2020
StrikeBack:
Fine!

But one thing I want you to understand is ATR cannot generate money the way Islam and christianity does. ATR does not have explicit text anywhere( not seen)

Religion is a tool for control.


Forgive my typo



Guy we all are humans we make error and besides I didn't see anything wrong....



I agree that religion is a tool for control...that's why Africans should rise up.....

That ATR doesn't generate money as you said is correct and that shows that our ancestors were honest.....
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by StrikeBack(m): 7:43pm On Apr 08, 2020
Xavfra:




Guy we all are humans we make error and besides I didn't see anything wrong....



I agree that religion is a tool for control...that's why Africans should rise up.....

That ATR doesn't generate money as you said is correct and that shows that our ancestors were honest.....
yes our ancestors were very very honest and sincere and infact we had more 'Atheist' then than now .

But now people would go to any length to make money.

Speak fluent English and understand the basics of 'hunger' and boom church business has started

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Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 7:47pm On Apr 08, 2020
StrikeBack:
yes our ancestors were very very honest and sincere and infact we had more 'Atheist' then than now .

But now people would go to any length to make money.

Speak fluent English and understand the basics of 'hunger' and boom church business has started



Aswr.......

Nobody was doing all these nonsense fanaticism and extremism ......

We had serious peace no one did all these hypocritical attitudes we see today.....


As for your last point....

You seriously do understand their way...
Person go dey claim say this and that spirit appeared to them ......
BlalablAahh.....

Then dey will deceive short sighted Africans
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Eviana(f): 8:55pm On Apr 08, 2020
Xavfra:
I find it annoying that all these so called born again Christians and their Muslim brothers believe and see the white man's religion as holy and supreme but perceive and see and refer to African traditional religion as the handwork of the devil.


If you claim you're a Christian and believe in it then you should as well believe in African religion it's simple....

Otem.Atum
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I'm not quite understanding how this correlates with the Op? Maybe I'm missing something.
But since we're here and got derailed, might as well address it.

You also meant to direct this rant towards Christians only, although you said "Muslim brothers".
Cause the "white" man didn't bring Islam to the Africans did he? Just Christianity right?

No offense meant however, but what is there to believe in "African" religion?
I respectfully say that as a half American and half Nigerian. Aren't there different beliefs within each tribe? I know there is something to be proud of culturally.
So Nigerian christians should try to serve God and their tribal ancestral spirits? Serve both God and mammon?

Spiritually though, is there any power to change a sinner into a saint? If African religion can do that, then I would gladly accept it. I wouldn't care if the person who brought it was purple.
I see Christianity as my saving grace.


Everything is not about "race" sir.
Nigerians do not seem to have an issue with white people...in fact Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, President Donald Trump, and countless celebrities and politicians grace the pages of Nairaland daily.
A high proportion of Nigerian men, might I add, do appear to have a keen and exhorbitant liking (based on what I've read here on N.L) for white females also.
So if we are gonna blame the "white man" for bringing Christianity to Africa, and feel inferior, then perhaps we should just ignore or boycott any type of association with them in this 21st century.....including the use of some of their inventions.
You do see how silly, judgmental, and unrealistic that is right?


Revelation 7:9-10 (KJV)


9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb


God is no respecter of persons, sir. He died for ALL, regardless of some demonic, unconverted people who abused Christianity. In His eternal Kingdom, people of ALL races, colors, tribes, nations, tongues will worship Him in one accord.
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 9:05pm On Apr 08, 2020
Eviana:



I'm not quite understanding how this correlates with the Op? Maybe I'm missing something.
But since we're here and got derailed, might as well address it.

No offense meant however, but what is there to believe in "African" religion?
I respectfully say that as a half American and half Nigerian. Aren't there different beliefs within each tribe? I know there is something to be proud of culturally.
So Nigerian christians should try to serve God and their tribal ancestral spirits? Serve both God and mammon?

Spiritually though, is there any power to change a sinner into a saint?

You also meant to direct this rant towards Christians only, although you said "Muslim brothers".
Cause the "white" man didn't bring Islam to the Africans did he? Just Christianity right?

Everything is not about "race" sir.
Nigerians do not seem to have an issue with white people...in fact Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg, President Donald Trump, and countless celebrities and politicians grace the pages of Nairaland daily.
A high proportion of Nigerian men, might I add, do appear to have a keen and exhorbitant liking (based on what I've read here on N.L) for white females also.
So if we are gonna blame the "white man" for bringing Christianity to Africa, and feel inferior, then perhaps we should just ignore or boycott any type of association with them in this 21st century.....including the use of some of their inventions.
You do see how silly, judgmental, and unrealistic that is right?


Revelation 7:9-10 (KJV)


9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;

10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb

God is no respecter of persons. He died for ALL, regardless of some demonic, unconverted people who abused Christianity. In His eternal Kingdom, people of ALL races, colors, tribes, nations, tongues will worship Him in one accord.




Ma!!
I'm not derailing this thread.

Is Mohammed a white it black man?
Is Saudi Arabia a white or black race country...?


You said I've got inferiority complex... angry grin
Nah!!
It's you people who accept Christianity and Islam that have inferiority complex.

I'm not saying you should boycott them...
You have failed to understand my point.

I didn't also say you should serve God and ancestral spirits nah!
Though some Christians still go to the ancestral spirits for powers.



My point exactly remains we should place ourselves high ..
I'm not being a racist .....

And that if you can believe in Christianity or Islam then why do you dump ATR and refer to it as devilish ......
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Eviana(f): 1:30am On Apr 09, 2020
Xavfra:





Ma!!
I'm not derailing this thread.

Is Mohammed a white it black man?
Is Saudi Arabia a white or black race country...?



You said I've got inferiority complex... angry grin
Nah!!
It's you people who accept Christianity and Islam that have inferiority complex.

I'm not saying you should boycott them...
You have failed to understand my point.

I didn't also say you should serve God and ancestral spirits nah!
Though some Christians still go to the ancestral spirits for powers.



My point exactly remains we should place ourselves high ..

I'm not being a racist .....

And that if you can believe in Christianity or Islam then why do you dump ATR and refer to it as devilish ......

My apologies to the Op, because this thread did get derailed. I still don't get what all of this has to do with the main statement of the thread?
Anyhow, my original, very important point (which you seems to be missing from your quoting of me)fully stated:


"Spiritually though, is there any power to change a sinner into a saint? If African religion can do that, then I would gladly accept it. I wouldn't care if the person who brought it was purple.
I see Christianity as my saving grace."


There is no inferiority complex in serving Christ.
In fact, it is the most "free-ing" complex ever.

I thought Mohammed was a MiddleEasterner which wouldn't make him black or white.
I don't consider Saudi Arabians black or white either.

What do you mean by "place ourselves high"?
Do you mean have high self worth?

A person's core religious belief usually consists of (1) main point that will greatly conflict with other people's core religious beliefs.
If a Christian wants to acknowledge his culture historically, then that's one thing. Nothing wrong with loving and appreciating one's origin.
But when it comes to religion, multiple ways aren't gonna suffice.
One has to pick.
It's not a smorgasboard or buffet where you get to comfortably take 1 part from this religion, another part from this other religion and another from another religion and be comfortable.
You pick one and serve faithfully and loyally.
In Christianity, no other "gods" can exist...regardless of whichever religion they may fall under.
Either one is serving The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel OR he/she is serving the enemy.
What is not of God is of the enemy.
So, as hard as this may sound, there is only one way to the Father in Heaven.
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by sholay2011(m): 1:57am On Apr 09, 2020
Misinterpretation of that verse!
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Jokerman(m): 2:11am On Apr 09, 2020
Maximus69:


It refers to the little flock of Christians CHOSEN amongst the worldwide Organization of TRUE Christians to rule with Jesus in heaven! Luke 12:32

Their number is 144,000. Anybody can decide to become a Christian but you can't decide to become a born again, only God decides that! Revelations 14:1

God will end all these plagues but first the born agains must be gathered with Christ in heaven, that's why God's word said it's on their account that those evil days will be caught short! smiley

One can't decide to be born again?? Lol.. who taught you this fallacy??

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Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 10:09am On Apr 09, 2020
Eviana:


My apologies to the Op, because this thread did get derailed. I still don't get what all of this has to do with the main statement of the thread?
Anyhow, my original, very important point (which you seems to be missing from your quoting of me)fully stated:


"Spiritually though, is there any power to change a sinner into a saint? If African religion can do that, then I would gladly accept it. I wouldn't care if the person who brought it was purple.
I see Christianity as my saving grace."


There is no inferiority complex in serving Christ.
In fact, it is the most "free-ing" complex ever.

I thought Mohammed was a MiddleEasterner which wouldn't make him black or white.
I don't consider Saudi Arabians black or white either.

What do you mean by "place ourselves high"?
Do you mean have high self worth?

A person's core religious belief usually consists of (1) main point that will greatly conflict with other people's core religious beliefs.
If a Christian wants to acknowledge his culture historically, then that's one thing. Nothing wrong with loving and appreciating one's origin.
But when it comes to religion, multiple ways aren't gonna suffice.
One has to pick.
It's not a smorgasboard or buffet where you get to comfortably take 1 part from this religion, another part from this other religion and another from another religion and be comfortable.
You pick one and serve faithfully and loyally.
In Christianity, no other "gods" can exist...regardless of whichever religion they may fall under.
Either one is serving The God of Abraham, Isaac, and Israel OR he/she is serving the enemy.
What is not of God is of the enemy.
So, as hard as this may sound, there is only one way to the Father in Heaven.




grin grin grin

You're just playing exactly as I said.......


You stated that its either one is serving the Christian God if not the person is serving the enemy........
Which implies that ATR is of the devil......
Also our forefathers would burn in your Christian hell....
That Africa was clouded from the sun (I don't mean the sun Asin the sun...)
That we Africa have no say in the world,
That Africa's life would be chosen and directed by foreigners.



You said Christianity offers the ability for a sinner to become a saint.. grin cheesy
I'm Igbo and by our culture, if there's a crime in a community, the Dibia (chief priest) helps to reconcile the community or the person who commits the crime with the gods....if any case it isn't possible, an Nri man is sent to that community to help cleanse the sin.


Yes I mean we should hold ourselves in high self esteem....
.....

I must let you know that you cannot use the standard of your religion or culture to judge mine.

I'm not saying people should create a Frankenstein religion.



I might not be able to address all your points due to laz grin grin ;Diness and I'm quite busy....


I hope I've helped solve the issue of Christianity being able to give sainthood to a sinner.......



There's no justification for us to leave ATR and embrace any foreign religion.
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 10:26am On Apr 09, 2020
Jokerman:


One can't decide to be born again?? Lol.. who taught you this fallacy??

That's the result of misinformation my friend!

The word BORN AGAIN is as easy as moimoi and pap if only you use your brains while reading or listening to a reader and meditating afterwards!

"BORN" alone is enough to help you grasp the meaning at least to an extent.

Do you think the one BORN has a say on his/her birthplace, parents or date? cheesy

The same goes with BORN AGAIN, you can only decide to be one of Christ's followers but only God NOT even Jesus himself has a say on those who become part of his heavenly corulers (born again)! Matthew 20:20-23

That's why Revelation 14:1 says two names were written on their foreheads, the name of Jesus who taught them how to come closer to God and the name of the one who chooses them the same way he chose Jesus! Matthew 3:17 compare to Isaiah 42:1

Your Pastors know us because we are the ones who give Godly wisdom for FREE {Matthew 10:8 compare to Revelations 22:17} but they charge you 10% of your salary for the gibberish they're feeding you! Matthew 23:23 smiley
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Jokerman(m): 10:32am On Apr 09, 2020
Maximus69:


That's the result of misinformation my friend!

The word BORN AGAIN is as easy as moimoi and pap if only you use your brains while reading or listening to a reader and meditating afterwards!

"BORN" alone is enough to help you grasp the meaning at least to an extent.

Do you think the one BORN has a say on his/her birthplace, parents or date? cheesy

The same goes with BORN AGAIN, you can only decide to be one of Christ's followers but only God NOT even Jesus himself has a say on those who become part of his heavenly corulers (born again)! Matthew 20:20-23

That's why Revelation 14:1 says two names were written on their foreheads, the name of Jesus who taught them how to come closer to God and the name of the one who chooses them the same way he chose Jesus! Matthew 3:17 compare to Isaiah 42:1

Your Pastors know us because we are the ones who give Godly wisdom for FREE {Matthew 10:8 compare to Revelations 22:17} but they charge you 10% of your salary for the gibberish they're feeding you! Matthew 23:23 smiley

John 3:3.."Except a man is born again (of water and spirit), he can't see the kingdom of God".... A Christian is supposed to be born again...

When you accept Jesus into you life, you become anew, and you receive the power of sonship (John 1:12).... Being born again means being free from sin and unrighteous (1 Cor 5:17)... The man becomes new... (Born again)

If you are not born again on Earth (become like little children in God through the holy spirit by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ), no heaven for you.....

One you decide to follow Jesus, the holy Spirit makes you born again... It's a decision from a clean and contrite heart gotten through genuine repentance

The apostles, weren't they born again...?
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by madegreatbygrace(m): 10:38am On Apr 09, 2020
Are there scriptures that support predestination in the Bible ?I’m a little confused here.
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Nobody: 11:14am On Apr 09, 2020
Jokerman:


John 3:3.."Except a man is born again (of water and spirit), he can't see the kingdom of God".... A Christian is supposed to be born again...

When you accept Jesus into you life, you become anew, and you receive the power of sonship (John 1:12).... Being born again means being free from sin and unrighteous (1 Cor 5:17)... The man becomes new... (Born again)

If you are not born again on Earth (become like little children in God through the holy spirit by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ), no heaven for you.....

One you decide to follow Jesus, the holy Spirit makes you born again... It's a decision from a clean and contrite heart gotten through genuine repentance

The apostles, weren't they born again...?

Listen to learn, your Pastors are only after your money, they don't care a bit about salvation because they don't believe in it neither will they allow you to be saved!

If you think you know the real meaning of BORN AGAIN

Answer these questions!

Jesus said one must be born of water and spirit to be become a born again.

So

(1)What's the meaning of being born of water and spirit?

(2)Were pre-christians servants of God before John (the baptist) born again?

(3)Who initiated the idea of born again?

(4)When did the idea began? Who is the first to be born again?

(5)Was Adam a born again?

(6)Why must people be born again?

Don't use the assumptions of those misinformed churchgoers you give titles "Pastors" in your religious gatherings, use the scriptures to address each question! smiley
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Jokerman(m): 11:57am On Apr 09, 2020
Maximus69:


Listen to learn, your Pastors are only after your money, they don't care a bit about salvation because they don't believe in it neither will they allow you to be saved!

If you think you know the real meaning of BORN AGAIN

Answer these questions!

Jesus said one must be born of water and spirit to be become a born again.

So

(1)What's the meaning of being born of water and spirit?

(2)Were pre-christians servants of God before John (the baptist) born again?

(3)Who initiated the idea of born again?

(4)When did the idea began? Who is the first to be born again?

(5)Was Adam a born again?

(6)Why must people be born again?

Don't use the assumptions of those misinformed churchgoers you give titles "Pastors" in your religious gatherings, use the scriptures to address each question! smiley




Bro I believe as children of God, as advised by St Paul, we shouldn't be arguing about God's word but rather we should make people come to the knowledge of truth, and also not the make the dumb atheists mock our Lord...

I rather argue and destroy the lies of Messi fans against Ronaldo.. however to answer your questions...

Firstly, being born again means being a NEW CREATURE- which means the person is dead to sin, self and unrighteousness- 1 Cor 5:17

1. Being born of water and the spirit of God- water here means the word of God (Ephesians 5:26 :"that he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word". The spirit here means holy Spirit.

2. There was nothing like prechristians.. Christian means a follower of Christ, hence they were called servants of God. In those days they offered sacrifices, and use blood of clean animals (dove, sheep etc) to sanctify themselves- (a sign of being renewed-born again)..buh when Jesus came he abolished all those at the cross of Calvary in John 19:30- it is finished.

3. Born again started with Jesus Christ. John the Baptist was just the forerunner of what Jesus would do. No wonder in John 1:28... " John said, behold the son of God that takes away the sin of the whole world. Only Jesus can make a person born again when the person decides (Rev 3:20- behold I stand at the door and knock, IF (decision) any man opens the door, I would come in to dine with him and him with Me)- hallelujah

4. Jesus Christ is the author and finisher if our faith. He's the first born of creation. Jesus Christ is our chief high priest. He reconciled us back to God. Hence he's the first, then the apostles as seen when the holy spirit came into them on the day of Pentecost. They now became born again (New beings) as they did good as the Lord and our master Jesus Christ.

5. Adam was not a born again. Jesus wasn't manifested then. Infact it was sin that made Adam lose the glory of God. Adam was the creature God wanted before the fall of man. Jesus is the author of being born again( being a new CREATURE- free from the manacles of sin, self and the devil)

6. People must be born again because the Lord Jesus Christ said so in John 3:3- "except a man be born again he can't see the kingdom of God", and St Paul said in 1 Cor 6:9-10, "know ye know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God.......... 11. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God".

I hope I have made a good explanation. You made me cry now typing this, as if I was running away from preaching...

May God bless pastor Lazarus Muoka for making me know the word of God.

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Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by Jokerman(m): 12:07pm On Apr 09, 2020
Righteousness89... grin your needed here
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by madegreatbygrace(m): 3:13pm On Apr 09, 2020
[quote author=Maximus69 post=88252826]

Listen to learn, your Pastors are only after your money, they don't care a bit about salvation because they don't believe in it neither will they allow you to be saved!

If you think you know the real meaning of BORN AGAIN

Answer these questions!

Jesus said one must be born of water and spirit to be become a born again.

So

(1)What's the meaning of being born of water and spirit?

(2)Were pre-christians servants of God before John (the baptist) born again?

(3)Who initiated the idea of born again?

(4)When did the idea began? Who is the first to be born again?

(5)Was Adam a born again?

(6)Why must people be born again?

Don't use the assumptions of those misinformed churchgoers you give titles "Pastors" in your religious gatherings, use the scriptures to address each question! smiley



[1. Except a man be born of water and the Spirit.......... How can man be born of both water and the Spirit? The fact is that it is impossible to be born both of water and the Spirit. A man can only be born of the Spirit. So then why did Jesus say both water and Spirit? Jesus didn’t actually mean water and Spirit, He meant water which is Spirit. The Greek word translated “and” is actually “Kai”. This Greek word has a double application. It can either mean “and” or “which is “ ( that is).If you did a careful study of the scripture, you’d notice Jesus using water to represent the Holy Spirit. For example in John 4: 14 and John 7 : 38-39. Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water .............. So water is just a typology of the Holy Spirit, or you can say water and Spirit are essentially the same. ]
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by madegreatbygrace(m): 3:25pm On Apr 09, 2020
[quote author=Maximus69 post=88252826]

Listen to learn, your Pastors are only after your money, they don't care a bit about salvation because they don't believe in it neither will they allow you to be saved!

If you think you know the real meaning of BORN AGAIN

Answer these questions!

Jesus said one must be born of water and spirit to be become a born again.

So

(1)What's the meaning of being born of water and spirit?

(2)Were pre-christians servants of God before John (the baptist) born again?

(3)Who initiated the idea of born again?

(4)When did the idea began? Who is the first to be born again?

(5)Was Adam a born again?

(6)Why must people be born again?

Don't use the assumptions of those misinformed churchgoers you give titles "Pastors" in your religious gatherings, use the scriptures to address each question! smiley



[5.Was Adam a born again? No, Adam was not a born again. A man is born again when he has the Spirit of God dwelling in him. This is according to John 3: 5. Adam was a natural man and not a spiritual man. 1 Corinthians 15: 46. The spiritual man has the in dwelling Holy Spirit.]
Re: God Has Already Chosen Those Who Will Be Saved. by madegreatbygrace(m): 3:31pm On Apr 09, 2020
[quote author=Maximus69 post=88252826]

Listen to learn, your Pastors are only after your money, they don't care a bit about salvation because they don't believe in it neither will they allow you to be saved!

If you think you know the real meaning of BORN AGAIN

Answer these questions!

Jesus said one must be born of water and spirit to be become a born again.

So

(1)What's the meaning of being born of water and spirit?

(2)Were pre-christians servants of God before John (the baptist) born again?

(3)Who initiated the idea of born again?

(4)When did the idea began? Who is the first to be born again?

(5)Was Adam a born again?

(6)Why must people be born again?

Don't use the assumptions of those misinformed churchgoers you give titles "Pastors" in your religious gatherings, use the scriptures to address each question! smiley



[3. Who initiated the idea of born again? Answer: Jesus Christ ]

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