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Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by koruji(m): 3:35am On Jan 06, 2011 |
Great that NNPC was able to keep fuel flowing for the whole of 2010 and through the holidays, but scarcity gone for good? That is some crazy talk. For one, it is costing us to the tune of N1.5 trillion annually - that is equal to about one-third of the national budget. Combine that with the fact that we are going pan-in-hand to borrow a large chunk of this year's budget and it doesn't take a soothsayer to tell you there is SERIOUS FUEL SCARCITY in Nigeria's future!!! http://tribune.com.ng/index.php/news/15768-fuel-scarcity-gone-for-good-nnpc |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by Omolulu(m): 3:37am On Jan 06, 2011 |
Ajuonuma doing only what PR specialists do best, lie with a smile, fuel scarcity over? |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by DisGuy: 3:45am On Jan 06, 2011 |
thats because Johnny boy and his team have been agreeing to all the union demands and using his ND brotherhood, will that last or will the wheel come off? |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by member479760: 12:43pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
and after 50 years, we still no fit refine crude. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by amazonia(m): 2:13pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
Unconfirmed rumour in the grape-vine is that GEJ administration had opened the reserve oil hounded in desert silos. The northerners have been pumping national oil underground in the north. Estimated as so much, that it could serve the northerners need for energy in the event of a national break-up for up to 50yrs to60yrs. Thank you President Jonathan for opening those stolen so called reserve-oil for national circulation. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by lagerwhenindoubt(m): 2:14pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
^^^ With the New Deal FG has struck with its French Partner, Nigeria will never refine crude again, we shall have others refine it for us http://allafrica.com/stories/printable/201002030357.html Lagos — Government may have adopted a novel measure in tackling the acute fuel shortages in the market as Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation (NNPC) now trades crude oil for refined petroleum products from offshore refineries. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by hackney(m): 3:05pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
We cant even be expert in something we are born with and which flows like water(this sounds almost like a proverb to qualify a f.oo.l). We cant refine crude oil for which we are known. And someone will come out here and try to compare Oyinbo's intellect with our own. monkeys. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by anonimi: 3:26pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
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Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by dempeople(m): 6:12pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
amazonia: This must be a rumour isn't it or you formulated this info? hackney: I feel you. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by eherbal(m): 6:45pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
Yeah,blackouts gone for good too,abi?tongue in the mouth mongrels |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by Jenifa1: 9:27pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
building refineries is a double edged sword. it is a benefit and also a liability because of the pollution it will unleash on us for many generations to come. we are already a poor country. I don't know how well we will battle air, water, soil etc pollution and toxins. so let us continue with our french trading partner jejerly. The best solution is to strike a good deal that will give us a good upperhand so cost isn't too high. [img]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTz1zOlIeogB44Vg4kNUwc8mgvohKtM5Uo-asVG0Wxaf8WtZnry[/img] |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by mcnepow(m): 9:49pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
Jenifa_: I support this opinion to a degree. Pollution in form of gas flaring has made areas like Warri so hot at nite even during the harmattan's. On a second thought, building and managing refineries would be a bold step in further industrialization of our dear country. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by DisGuy: 9:53pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
^^ the gas being flared in some cases can be captured to fire gas plants for electricity Jenifa_: If thats the case many countries will do away with their refineries, best option is to builder more efficient refineries and TO BE HONEST I CANT REMEMBER THE LAST TIME NIGERIA GOT THE UPPERHAND IN ANY NEGOTIATION |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by Jenifa1: 10:31pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
Dis Guy: The US has done away with majority of it's manufacturing industries and offshored it to china. China is battling massive pollution as we speak. Cancer is the leading cause of death. That's the price for industrialization I guess. To me, sooner or later after China has developed (if it ever does), Africa will be the next stop to dump industrial toxins and manufacturing and I think this will last a very long time because where else will we dump ours if we are at the bottom of the rung? I think our government should start thinking about the future today. We can start by developing a breed of quality diplomats and looking out for our own good. I think it is possible to achieve some upperhand if we argue right rather than licking everybody's boots. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by DisGuy: 10:42pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
The US has done away with majority of it's manufacturing industries and offshored it to china. China is battling massive pollution as we speak. Cancer is the leading cause of death. That's the price for industrialization I guess. first we are talking about refineries, secondly the US didn't get rid of its manufacturing because of pollution but because of competition and cost of manufacturing, even dirty coal is still producing about half of yankees electricity |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by Jenifa1: 10:54pm On Jan 06, 2011 |
Dis Guy: i'm talking about the pollution from refineries so I can compare it to manufacturing. many run on fuel anyways. and refineries even produce more pollution. If only you knew how strict US federal pollution regulations are. Sometimes, it's cheaper to offshore them. But i'm sure other factors are also involved such as labor cost. I'm not saying refineries shouldn't be build. but we should also look at the other arguments. In fact, in the article you will see that the main reason why refineries aren't being built is because of the Niger delta crisis. it may be ok for us to refine petroleum for our own use but my fear is that we will end up being an exporter of refined petroleum .govt will want the money and it will be cost effective but Group Executive Director, Refinery and Petrochemicals, at NNPC, Mr. Austin Oniowon, had declared at a forum in Lagos that "a lot of things have gone wrong with the management of the nation's refineries." He said the key problem with internal refining was the security issues in the Niger Delta.
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Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by okeymadu(m): 6:47am On Jan 07, 2011 |
I don't care how the fuel is sourced and @ what cost and with which method. All I care is that fuel is flowing chikena! Thanks GEJ. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by 1money: 8:56am On Jan 07, 2011 |
Thank God |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by Akainzo(m): 9:51am On Jan 07, 2011 |
Jenifa_: First, the refining industry is part of the manufacturing industry, so in essence you cant talk of one without the other. Second, the US still has an ongoing refining industry, and about 3 new refineries came on board in 2010 alone. Third, a strict law does not forbid, it only requires compliance and even BP refineries built in the 1970s still comply with the 2010 strict US laws. To the major one, the real reasons refinery are not being built in NIgeria, is not mainly due to the NIger Delta crises, but majorly because of a lack of goivernment policy to support the operations of private refineries. Note that a couple mof private refinery licenses had been granted, yet none had been built. Why do you think that the Oil Compnaies are not building refineries of their own? a few of the problems that need to be solved by government legislation/policy are: 1. Devolve the ownership of the crude to the oil companies and not NNPC. 2. Allow anyone in the refining industry to get/buy crude oil from any source. 3. Break the monoploy of PPMC owning the products pipelines. 4. Guarantee adequate security. The ongoing fuel availability is because of the drop in crude oil prices and thus the marketers and government are making a lot of money from the disparity in import prices and pump prices in NIgeria. The PMS is been sought from Venezuela at N26/l and sold in Nigeria at N65/l. The marketers however sell to the NNPC at an official price of N52.5/ that means that everyone is happy. Let's pray that there is no crises and oil prices should go up, then all these brouhaha about stable fuel supply would go up in flames. For avoidance of doubt, when GEJ requested the NASS to lower the income expectation for the country due to reduction in crude oil prices, how come he didn't reduce pump price in line with the administration promise to lower pump price when crude oil prices go southwards. Simple, that was the only way to guarantee steady supply - make the differential price attractive to independent importers. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by mrjingles(m): 10:07am On Jan 07, 2011 |
@ Akainzo, you left out the most crucial element- deregulating the prices, NO ONE will invest lost of cash in building a refinery only to have fixed or regulated prices. THATS the main reason why the new refineries have not come up. The recovery of outlay is not clear and profitability is dependent on someone else determining prices and not the market. Secondly when u say devolve ownership of the crude to the IOCs what do you mean.The projects are usually JVs or PSC so each partner sells its share of the crude using its own mechanisms. Am no expert in this area but i think thats how is should work, so a bit confused by your point on devolution. @ Jenifa, US did not "get rid" of their manufacturing as you claim, China seized it from them due to low cost and high quality. American economists have been decrying the loss of manufacturing jobs for decades so it has nothing to do with pollution. Simple economics of comparative advantage. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by Akainzo(m): 10:40am On Jan 07, 2011 |
mrjingles: Thanks for highlighting that issue, only that I embedded it in my item 1 for which you have asked for more clarifications. Yes you are correct, all the IOCs operate either a JV or a PSC agreement and thus government already owns or control what they produce. What I propose is for NNPC to have shares in this companies and then allow these companies to sell the crude oil at the international rates to any buyer. This thus ensures deregulation and that way it would become attractive to sell to local refineries. Note that oil prices are for the actual oil and one has to now pay for Shipping and Insurance. For the local refineries, this S&I costs would be lower and thus ensure that they are sell lower than imported refined products. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by justdtruth: 10:46am On Jan 07, 2011 |
i can not believe that anybody can suggest that Nigeria should not have a refinery. and really i wonder if people only associate refinery with only petrol. a refine is a petrochemical plant. the list below shows the products you can have from refining petroleum Fuels •Liquefied petroleum gas (LPG) •Ethane and other short-chain alkanes •Gasoline (Petrol) •Diesel fuel (petrodiesel) •Kerosene •Jet fuel •Fuel oils Other derivatives •Alkenes (olefins) which can be manufactured into plastics or other compounds •Lubricants (produces light machine oils, motor oils, and greases, adding viscosity stabilizers as required). •Wax, used in the packaging of frozen foods, among others. •Sulfur or Sulfuric acid. These are a useful industrial materials. Sulfuric acid is usually prepared as the acid precursor oleum, a byproduct of sulfur removal from fuels. •Bulk tar. •Asphalt •Petroleum coke, used in speciality carbon products or as solid fuel. •Paraffin wax •Aromatic petrochemicals to be used as precursors in other chemical production. imagine the number of industries you can have from this sector alone not to mention the concomitant benefit of easy source of materials for other industries and the rduction of prices of the products that are consumed directly. you want to be a leading economy by 2020. build refinaries as fast and as much as you could. where do you guys think the simplest moulding material, plastic comes from. imagine a country that wants to a be a leading economy without a functional steel industry. i laugh realising that people actually believe these lies of no more fuel scarcity. infact, i think apart from english and mathematics, economics must equaly be compulsory even in tertiary institutions. this i assume is necessary for our great country to attain the lofty height we desire. if all the factors involved in the production, distribution and delivery of a product to the consumer remain within variable and unpredicatable ranges like we have now. then scarcity is not yet a thing of the past. dont forget that the subsidy on petrol is going to be removed sooner or later, so prices are still going to hit the roof particularly with the price of crude almost at a N100 per barrel at present. the industry of course is still within the hands of a cabal i.e there is monopoly at every stage of the industry. and they are very ready to protect their interest with their oily resources. abeg, nothing has changed |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by homerac7: 11:12am On Jan 07, 2011 |
@ akinzo & Mrjingles, good responses. @ Jennifer, Nigeria is so so too underindustrialized to b bothered with industrial pollution against income. Dts not to support environmental pollution bt to point out dt we can still make a lot of tolerances with fairer regulations. Modern refineries r far cleaner & efficient. Gas flaring, major environmental pollution activity, has been stopped in most civilized countries. So modern refineries simply send associated gas onward to LNG facilities wtout flaring while waste gases r returned as landfill material in d ground. Industrial technologies, governed by stricter HSE regulations and economics, hav advanced beyond most of what we have Nigeria. It's normal to hav a dust covered community due to presence of a single cement company here, whereas modern versions r as clean as schools. Same is wt refineries, breweries, paper mills, etc. China bigger headache is not pollution but increased industrialization. Hw much more lowly industrialized nation like Nigeria. She had better be first, industries new haven then later, environmental best-practices nation. Our industrial HSE records is majorly due to government laxity, corruption and poverty. On current fuel supply efforts by d government. It's a clear case of eating our tomorrow today. When international price was high, government paid subsidies from monies dt could hav been used for other developmental purposes. Now its selling low, is government saving? Y has d government postponed d evil days by paying unbearable high subsidies? At what costs r we making this postponement? It's no question of if, but when it will become unavoidable. By then what would d current wastage called subsidy would hav given us? Zero, of course. Only dt some individuals became stupendously rich from d scam. What we should have used in building infrastructures, we r blowing away to create mirage, yet d government expects us to clap for sustaining d illusion. Thanks Livi Ajuonuma ( 'open house party' indeed) D sunset may just b near when mirage can no more form. Maybe we can still make some hay, otherwise it will b too costly definition of national foolishness. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by Jenifa1: 2:37am On Jan 08, 2011 |
I hear you guys @homerac7, mr jingles & Akainzo you have really good points!!! i guess my worry is misplaced and unnecessary. mrjingles: can you explain the part in bold? why would a private company look on "someone else" to determine price. who will this someone else be? govt?
homerac7, you know fuel is heavily subsidized in the US right? not saying this is right though. I like the phrase "eating our tomorrow today" I think that captures it well. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by chuqudy(m): 1:33pm On Jan 09, 2011 |
Many thanks to GEJ. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by kodewrita(m): 9:13am On Jan 11, 2011 |
na2day. wait and see now. |
Re: Fuel Scarcity Gone For Good - Nnpc (talking In Its Sleep?) by lafaze(m): 10:52pm On Jan 13, 2011 |
homerac7,akainso i guys are makin alot of sense pls kip it up. |
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