fehinebony:
Exactly what I was told by my school(Royal roads University) my fees wont be refunded if i start online and get rejected.(My tuition has being paid in full)
I was also adviced to defer my admission just to be on the safe side which I think is the best decision at this point.

Besides IRCC has clearly stated that the first stage approval does not guarantee a second stage study approval.

I rejoice with everyone who has gotten an AIP and hopefully, study permits will be issued to all!

TimAke:
I believe all we can do for now is keep our fingers crossed and hope for the best as usual. Few weeks ago we were all in the dark as to what was happening due to the long silence but now there seem to be some hope with this new process and we’ve began another round of rationalising.

Passing through stage 1 which includes a successfully verified POF and home ties isn’t an easy feat, applications have been rejected in the past based on issues from these.

To all those awaiting feedback, we also hope and pray for a positive news soon too. All the best.

Taiwolus:
Let us skip the plenty grammar.

If you passed the first stage approval, you will have to be an international criminal to not get the approval.

#My2Cents

Frankrobbn1:



Wow! Just yesterday and today, this thread is already on page 209, so fast , what info have I missed?. I can relate how everyone is showing great happiness about the new update and the massive AIP letters going about on this platform. In all honesty, I celebrate with you guys and hope it ends favourably for you all in the later stage.




With regards to your question @Tonyodg, majority of first time applicants will definitely receive a notification from IRCC declaring that they have passed the first stage approval in principle. This is because the requirement for the first stage is basically about the applicant's proof of funds and confirmation of genuineness of acceptance letter from the DLI in Canada. The other IRCC standard visa processing assessments which includes Criminality, Overall Eligibility, Security and Information Sharing with other countries are yet to be initiated by the senior immigration officer on the applicant's application. I will probably say that its just the R10 check that has been done so far by the immigration case analyst at the High Commission of Canada, which is primarily to ensure that applicant submitted the right documents for the program (study permit) they have applied for.


Applicants should be more concerned about the second stage as there are higher chances that the visa officer at the High Commission of Canada may likely reject the application if the applicant hasn't demonstrated that they are a bonafide student to undertake the proposed program in Canada. Be properly enlightened that it is at the second stage, the Visa officer will assess the overall credibility and reasonableness of the applicant's intended program in Canada, whether or not is in tandem with their previous studies, current employment or career path/future goals. More importantly, however, the biometrics enrollment details will be used to run a background check on the applicant by the CBSA in an effort to ascertain the applicant's criminality and security status. Kindly note that it is at this second stage the Visa officer will review the entirety of the application and make a final decision. Please be advised that commencement of online classes doesn't influence the discretion of the visa officer or guarantee an applicant's application success. A visa officer can still refuse the application if the applicant doesn't meet the IRCC Act requirements for study permit issuance.

My introspective thought tells me that IRCC is using this new update (AIP letters) to lure applicants into starting their programs from their home country as they can't afford to lose international students for the fall 2020 semester. In a nutshell, let's be optimistic that everything ends well.

I hope this information is helpful to everyone.

As always, it will end in praise.

Tonyodg:
my advice submit your application now !!! IRCC states it would work with the two stages approval for those beginning fall 2020 on or before sept 15th .. it’s Gods grace for those starting winter 2021 to receive AIP as it doesn’t apply to them .

Genevach:

How far, which University are you applying can we connect

Uriel12:


I'm thinking University of Manitoba or University of Regina.

Yeah.
Should I send you a PM?

JustMellow:


Hello Frankrobbn1,

I share from your point analysis but based on our respective anchored viewpoints, we may not think nor agree equally.

My standpoint here is that the eligibility review falls into the FS of AIP. Quickly, this is strictly a supposition base on my opinion and what I understand. What IRCC directly classified under the SS approval for the Final approval to be granted viz. Biometrics, Medicals, PCC. I agree to the fact that other verification like the genuineness of the admission letter is done in the FS AIP.

Meanwhile, there may be rare or few rejections for the FS AIP. If there are rejections in the FS AIP., this may not be the resulting effect of failing R10 Check. It maybe the point in which the VO applied discretion and/or eligibility wasn't passed. IRCC clearly stated that an application won't be rejected based on incomplete document(s) but not directly stated if the right documents were missing. This maybe a ground whereby the VOs may use discretion to issue out rejections in the FS AIP causing eligibility not passed.

With the biometrics after it has been given for the SS AIP., the continuing part of BC to suit the flexible IRCC new rules which is the criminality and medical check will begin. Let's not forget that prior before this time, supplied documents and information verification may be conducted with the limited access to information currently available and may still be open for further intel sharing and verification. As it may have been observed in the erstwhile, the VOs can't be too thorough as security and criminality checks are not too rigorous for SP route but doesn't undermine the fact that it will be checked. Though, this is more beneficiary to applicants without travel experience.

As it stands and based on my little observation, getting refused at the SS of AIP constitute that admissibility wasn't met after the requirements for the SS AIP was found not satisfactory. Another conjectured point on eligibility which supports your points breakdown on the SS AIP is that Eligibility review maybe split between both stages for the FS and SS AIP to be approved before the Final approval. The Final approval in a way intertwine the SS AIP.

The further breakdown of the AIP by IRCC for the Indians on 'Covid-19' visa requirements and instructions are very similar yet slightly different from other regíons in the globe like Nigeria. The VOs handles the current SP applications based on the guidelines of the two-stage approval especially on Eligibility in the FS.

This is a Point of View.

One love bro!

Genevach:

Check your email

JustMellow:


Hello Frankrobbn1,

I share from your point analysis but based on our respective anchored viewpoints, we may not think nor agree equally.

My standpoint here is that the eligibility review falls into the FS of AIP. Quickly, this is strictly a supposition base on my opinion and what I understand. What IRCC directly classified under the SS approval for the Final approval to be granted viz. Biometrics, Medicals, PCC. I agree to the fact that other verification like the genuineness of the admission letter is done in the FS AIP.

Meanwhile, there may be rare or few rejections for the FS AIP. If there are rejections in the FS AIP., this may not be the resulting effect of failing R10 Check. It maybe the point in which the VO applied discretion and/or eligibility wasn't passed. IRCC clearly stated that an application won't be rejected based on incomplete document(s) but not directly stated if the right documents were missing. This maybe a ground whereby the VOs may use discretion to issue out rejections in the FS AIP causing eligibility not passed.

With the biometrics after it has been given for the SS AIP., the continuing part of BC to suit the flexible IRCC new rules which is the criminality and medical check will begin. Let's not forget that prior before this time, supplied documents and information verification may be conducted with the limited access to information currently available and may still be open for further intel sharing and verification. As it may have been observed in the erstwhile, the VOs can't be too thorough as security and criminality checks are not too rigorous for SP route but doesn't undermine the fact that it will be checked. Though, this is more beneficiary to applicants without travel experience.

As it stands and based on my little observation, getting refused at the SS of AIP constitute that admissibility wasn't met after the requirements for the SS AIP was found not satisfactory. Another conjectured point on eligibility which supports your points breakdown on the SS AIP is that Eligibility review maybe split between both stages for the FS and SS AIP to be approved before the Final approval. The Final approval in a way intertwine the SS AIP.

The further breakdown of the AIP by IRCC for the Indians on 'Covid-19' visa requirements and instructions are very similar yet slightly different from other regíons in the globe like Nigeria. The VOs handles the current SP applications based on the guidelines of the two-stage approval especially on Eligibility in the FS.

This is a Point of View.

One love bro!

Frankrobbn1:



You've made a good point bro, we have a right to express our opinion and also the responsibility to believe whatever we think is right. I have shared my perspective based on my working knowledge about IRCC latest update and what people may potentially see in front. The twists and turns of IRCC updates which kept on changing is for the betterment of their economy's recovery amidst the novel Corona virus pandemic. IRCC may not dish out approvals in massive numbers in the later stage as it is observed in the first stage. I can tell you for sure that no applicant's overall ELIGIBILITY has been passed until the completeness of the application has been received. Above all else, a GCMS note will confirm the provenance of this information. To this end, I may not go back and forth on the subject matter but will watch and see the next step of action that will be taken by IRCC afterwards.





It will end in praise.

Adetunji001:
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In respect to the above, please how realistic is it to get three years work permit with a year masters program. Sir, you are in Canada, have you seen anyone who has gotten 3 years PGWP with one year master program.
Thanks sir for your prompt response, as it will help clear my thoughts.

fratermathy:



I don't totally agree with you on this. There are legal implications for "luring" students to register and pay fees if you cannot guarantee their study permits. IRCC won't be able to take the legal backlash that will come from students across the world. Yes, getting a visa is a privilege but making students pay fees without any intention of ultimately giving them their visas will not float.


The matter appears simple to me; the first stage approval is the most important part of the visa approval process. We are only seeing the high numbers now because we are yet to see the first stage rejections. Our analysis will not be complete until we balance both. Don't forget that Nairaland users represent less than 1% of Nigerian study permit applicants.


If you have passed the eligibility stage, the factors that will stop you from getting the final permit are clearly stated by the IRCC and they include: criminal history, medical issues, and fraudulent documents. The last item is very significant because complete applications will be vetted, like you rightly said, before final decisions will be made but negative final decisions will be contingent on misrepresentation by the applicant. As long as every other thing goes well, applicants should expect their study permits based on this pre-approval.

Frankrobbn1:



IRCC never forced you to pay or register for any online classes. From the AIP letter they mentioned "while you wait for the final decision to be made on your application you may commence your studies online". You failed to read between the lines and the tricks employed by IRCC. They never at one point impose it as a rule on the applicant that they must pay for their fees and begin classes from their home country. Again, payment of tuition fees is also not a requirement in the eligibility review of IRCC Act. So don't think you can sue them for rejecting any application in the second phase of the process. IRCC are smart and intelligent beings and are well-resourced for cases like this that might arise as a result of this update. Trust me, they know what they are doing and will eventually win the case in the long run, i.e if you're suing them on the basis of tuition payment.

Come to think of it, haven't you noticed lately that it's majorly the first time applicants that have been receiving the first stage approval in principle letter? What is the fate of those whose visa was rejected and now reapplied the subsequent time? From my personal standpoint, getting a notification on the AIP letter doesn't guarantee that everyone will receive an approval in the later stage of the Visa process. As a matter of fact, proof of funds and genuineness of LOA doesn't in no way complete the overall eligibility requirements for study permit approval. I'll be here to see how things unfolds in no distant time.



It will end in praise.

fratermathy:


IRCC didn't force anyone to pay fees but do not think that those who get AIPs and end up getting rejected without inadmissibility clauses won't resort to immigration lawyers. Whether or not they win the case, they have a right to resort to legal battles. Prior to this time, rejected applications have been upended by immigration lawyers. This situation is a fertile ground for immigration lawyers to thrive should things go south. Don't forget that even Americans, Britons, and foreigners who are visitors or workers in Canada are getting AIPs, not just Nigerians!


Secondly, old applicants are still getting AIPs! Like I said, not all applicants are on Nairaland. I have seen quite a number of complete and second or third time applications getting AIPs. You are basing your opinion on anecdotal data. You have to see the bigger picture and you will, soon enough.

Frankrobbn1:


Bear in mind that it's not everyone that can afford to fight through the judicial review route. It's a very cumbersome and time consuming process, which can last upto 7 months or more. The fees involved in hiring a lawyer is very crazy too (5,500CAD to 8,000CAD) and should be enough for the applicant to reapply and make appropriate amendments in the subsequent application. We have all expressed our opinions on the subject matter and it's very informative to have analyzed the entire situation in our possible ways. In the meantime, let's wait for IRCC final decision on the applications.



As always, It will end in praise.

fratermathy:


Funny enough, Nigerians won't have to get lawyers to fight the battle. Those from within Canada or the US or the UK will fight the battle should it come to that.


In any case, we must disagree to agree and the truth of this matter is that IRCC has truly shown good sportsmanship by permitting students to start their programs online from their home countries. The AIPs douses the anxiety and uncertainty that come with schooling remotely, especially in this pandemic period. I do not see a situation where those with AIPs will regret enrolling for classes whatsoever. Rather, I see a situation where things will be pretty straightforward. There is just too much at stake in this matter.

Let us allow those with AIPs to celebrate their success and start their programs in peace. Those with AIPs are one step ahead of those with nothing. Those with nothing should have something to hope or aspire towards. We shouldn't take that away from people now. Their study permits is near final approval and indeed, they will get approved! The odds will be in their favour!

fratermathy:


Funny enough, Nigerians won't have to get lawyers to fight the battle. Those from within Canada or the US or the UK will fight the battle should it come to that. In any case, there is more to fear from a potentially successful lawsuit than the lawsuit itself. I strongly believe that the IRCC is well informed and prepared to handle this situation.


In any case, we must disagree to agree and the truth of this matter is that IRCC has truly shown good sportsmanship by permitting students to start their programs online from their home countries. The AIPs douses the anxiety and uncertainty that come with schooling remotely, especially in this pandemic period. I do not see a situation where those with AIPs will regret enrolling for classes whatsoever. Rather, I see a situation where things will be pretty straightforward. There is just too much at stake in this matter.

Let us allow those with AIPs to celebrate their success and start their programs in peace. Those with AIPs are one step ahead of those with nothing. Those with nothing should have something to hope or aspire towards. We shouldn't take that away from people now. Their study permits is near final approval and indeed, they will get approved! The odds will be in their favour!

Frankrobbn1:



I think you're misinterpreting the whole story. No one is stopping anyone from celebrating the receipt of an AIP letter. I'm practically telling you what will likely be expected from IRCC and the uncertainty involved in payment of tuition fees and starting program from home country when you've not been finally approved. Let's not sugarcoat things for people that they end up not seeing the truthfulness of the situation.

I end my comment on this matter. I wish everyone success!



It will end in praise.

fehinebony:
Exactly what I was told by my school(Royal roads University) my fees wont be refunded if i start online and get rejected.(My tuition has being paid in full)
I was also adviced to defer my admission just to be on the safe side which I think is the best decision at this point.

Besides IRCC has clearly stated that the first stage approval does not guarantee a second stage study approval.

I rejoice with everyone who has gotten an AIP and hopefully, study permits will be issued to all!

Genevach:

BSC or Masters??.

Ayodeji786:
Anyone here coming to memorial university grenfell campus in corner brook?

rebeccausoro:


I didn't see your PM too.


Has your medicals been uploaded?

Mine has not.

kaffy4tope:
Hello my people pls save a soul

My parents believes so much in agents that any contrary advise would be shoved off.

Now to the present issue, there is this agent they approached to process Canada study visa for my sis. She truly applied and letter of admission was sent from the Uni. They asked us to pay some amounts and we’ve paid infact so far it’s close to 3m.

Now this agent has directed us to go and get police report and medical fitness certificate at any Federal Hospital. But, I sense something is wrong, the whole process seems to be different from what I’m reading here. House please kindly help out before more harms is done.

My question are?
Is it true that we must get a medical fitness certificate even before applying?

He promised to help us out with statement of account do you think that is not a red flag?

The hospital is asking us to pay 50k for covid19 test amid other tests that I can’t even remember now.

Please I need your advise.