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Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by SEFAGO(m): 3:17am On Jan 21, 2011 |
man the non-mensa guy beat me to it |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Jenifa1: 3:58am On Jan 21, 2011 |
lol. anyway sha, thanks for the "naija parlance" 101 anymore naija speak I need to know? but what's the aversion to the use of the term "liberal arts" to cover what natasha is studying anyways? yea naija call it "arts" but it's still liberal arts. different slangs same definition. ain't it? or is there something else I need to know about this? |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by PhysicsMHD(m): 4:31am On Jan 21, 2011 |
You can't say "liberal arts" with as powerful a sneer and with as much derision in your voice as you can "arts." That's probably the root of it all. Anyway "arts" is a more accurate term actually. Liberal arts actually included science in olden times. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Jenifa1: 4:44am On Jan 21, 2011 |
PhysicsMHD: hhahaha that is my guess too but I didn't want to say anything. before they come back with their "you are wrong" lectures. I thought biology is required? I agree though that maybe more science should be included if there isn't enough. even here in US, although most students pick their subjects in college, usually only the minimum in science is required for liberal arts students. many go through university without setting eyes on chemistry or other science classes. lol but it is required in high school though so I guess that makes up for it. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Atreides(f): 2:22pm On Jan 21, 2011 |
Never heard the term 'liberal arts' in my life. There's no such thing as 'liberal arts' in Naija. Art students are non-science students. It doesn't neccesarily mean they do fine art/drawing/worreva. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Natasha2(f): 2:32pm On Jan 21, 2011 |
I meant ARTS lol in Nigeria there's nothing like liberal arts if you are an art student it means you are a non science student and that's it. anyway fine art comes up on its own in the UNI i.e for someone who wants to be an artist (drawing , painting etc).Jenifa_: |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by fstranger1: 2:37pm On Jan 21, 2011 |
Natasha,,: Atreides: Did I not tell you that she is a phuucing liar! She has never been to Naija, let alone school there She is prolly a whitey dating or married to a Naija man. I hate liars! |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by fstranger1: 2:43pm On Jan 21, 2011 |
Jenifa_: How can you have a disliking to something you have no idea about. Just be honest and come out And, as you can tell already, we a nice set of people and we will be able to put you through! Stop lying and faking and cunningly try to fish for the truth. It doesnt look good on you! |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Nobody: 4:55pm On Jan 21, 2011 |
@ topic, facebooking don too much |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Nobody: 6:35pm On Jan 21, 2011 |
PhysicsMHD:Lets not get too hung up on terminology but anyway in America Liberal Arts Colleges offer a broad range of courses including not just the arts but the pure science subjects as well like courses like maths, physics, chemistry and biology. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by SEFAGO(m): 8:13pm On Jan 21, 2011 |
^ nah, thats just google/wikipedia that you used- in general liberal arts is just an educational system that is used in the US. Its more the development of learning a field using the socratic method of critical thinking. So its not just Liberal art colleges that use this method- all the big names are in essence liberal arts colleges. Its very very different from educational systems in the rest of the world which emphasize cramming and spitting out what you cram without knowing how to apply it to solve issues. So in a biology exam instead of being asked " list three type of drugs that can cure cancer" you would be asked "given the organic structure of a molecule, elaborate on what type of disease that this drug can cure, and the mechanism that is involved" |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Jenifa1: 7:39am On Jan 22, 2011 |
tensor777: it's still the same idea. ex. check the definition of "bachelor of arts." Not many students would welcome such a system in Nigeria as they do avoid the sciences and languages even though thse subjects are of crucial. importance you say this as if the students control the education board. anything to blame the students for the horrible educational system we have in nigeria abi? In my school most students would avoid sciences and languages too but they are a requirement for graduation. students shouldn't be deciding requirements. the education board should be doing that. in fact, there will be no school at all if all the decisions were left to the student. think about that. yea you'll find some and the thing about expo/ cheating, it should be common sense that that is the result of lack of law enforcement. cheating will always exist yes. but the rate shouldn't be too high if an efficient system is in place. in fact, when I took primary school common entrance exam, the moderators were reading the answers aloud to us!! talk about blame the system. by secondary school, level of moral was -100% people were leaving school by jumping over fences, cheating in exams were taken for granted. kinda like paying bribe at the airport. when there is no proper system in place, chaos will be the order of the day. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by misaac: 8:01pm On Jan 25, 2011 |
Natasha,,: Yes, this was the reason I was given and that is why I read arts in secondary school. However, looking back, I think I agree with Chiogo. However, I have to assure you that the assertion in the italicized part below is not necessarily the case, the 'science' students are not necessarily more serious than the arts students. I know because I just got out of high school not too long ago. And you are wrong when you say that most students are not thinking of going on to university. Nigeria's labour market is extremely certificate crazy, I know because I tried to get work once out of high school(i didn't want to go to any govt. run university because they are not much different from the high schools) and found that a high school leaver can hardly get a decent job, something my parents assure me was not the case in their time. So please get rid of the idea that most Nigerian students don't want to go to university. tensor777: However I agree with you that limiting my scope by studying arts was not a good idea. For one, if I a science student has easier mobility and can one day wake up and decide he wants to read law and do so simply by reading the required texts in goverment, commerce and whatever else is needed. I for a person originally thought I wanted to study Law, but not any longer. I now want to study computing, something I've fallen crazily in love with, and have to spend a lot of time learning science stuff I should/could have learned in high school if the curriculum was more like the American curriculum. After much thinking, I must say though that the problem does not start in secondary school. It starts at primary school. I recently had to learn more about the American Educational system, and the things Americans are taught in primary school, its incredible. The access to facilities, labs, etc its just wonderful. I'm not saying every American kid is this fortunate or that the American system is perfect, no system is. I'm not trying to excuse secondary schools in Nigeria, just pointing out that the secondary schools are part of a terrible mess of poor education starting from primary and running up to the tertiary institutions. If i were to have kids, I would homeschool them and model their education on the American k12 system. Jenifa_: I think you have hit the nail on the head. The will to curtail cheating just isn't there! Take the SAT for example, is an example of an exam that it's pretty hard to cheat on. So many Nigerians get high scores in WASSCE but thier SAT scores are not what you would expect from guys with such scores. Yet Nigerians are so cheat crazy that they tried cheating on one recently conducted in Lagos. Well, the Collegeboard canceled the test because they detected cheating using technology (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/28/education/28cheat.html?_r=1) . Its as simple as that. Agreed innocents may be hurt every now and then, but certainly, after a while, I guess the cheaters will give up when they are repeatedly caught cheating, especially if the 21 years recommended punishment is actually implemented. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 12:13am On Jan 26, 2011 |
misaac: I can attest to this one oo. My niece is in public school and the stuff she learns, and is exposed to, the average Nigerian child of the same age can only dream of. This gal is only 6 years old, and she has her science classes in a mini lab for grade school students. It is amazing what the kids here are exposed to. When you compare it to what we are doing to generations of our own kids in Nigeria, one can only weep. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by fstranger1: 12:32am On Jan 26, 2011 |
^^^ Despite, we have produced a Nobel prize winner, produced Emeagwali, produced Nnaji, produced Okonjo Iweala and her husband, produced Chinua Achebe, produced lots and lots of professionals plying their trade in America including yours truly. You can say whatever you want about Nigeria, until you get off you sorry azz and do something, you are just as guilty as the people you deride and criticize. Life must be really difficult for you. Sorry you went through a bad childhood. Some of us had the best education in Nigeria and we would not trade it for anything American. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 5:10am On Jan 26, 2011 |
misaac: I can attest to this one oo. My niece is in public school and the stuff she learns, and is exposed to, the average Nigerian child of the same age can only dream of. This gal is only 6 years old, and she has her science classes in a mini lab for grade school students. It is amazing what the kids here are exposed to. When you compare it to what we are doing to generations of our own kids in Nigeria, one can only weep. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by fstranger1: 5:11am On Jan 26, 2011 |
^^^ Despite, we have produced a Nobel prize winner, produced Emeagwali, produced Nnaji, produced Okonjo Iweala and her husband, produced Chinua Achebe, produced lots and lots of professionals plying their trade in America including yours truly. You can say whatever you want about Nigeria, until you get off you sorry azz and do something, you are just as guilty as the people you deride and criticize. Life must be really difficult for you. Sorry you went through a bad childhood. Some of us had the best education in Nigeria and we would not trade it for anything American. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Jenifa1: 7:44am On Jan 26, 2011 |
fstranger1: true. Education in Nigeria can be of good quality but not too many people have access to this. majority of students don't.
This is exactly what i've been trying to say. Govt needs to focus on public primary schools especially. I had classmates in my public local secondary school who couldn't spell some basic three letter words. Majority of these students came from the public primary school next door. You can imagine my shock. that's nursery school stuff!! even the US has its problems and could do way better (ex. public schools in inner cities are horrible) compared to other countries with similar income level. I already mentioned this but Finland is one country that invests heavily in its students education right from birth (govt delivers children books to parents who just gave birth, there are libraries in the mall etc ). More attention is geared toward weak students etc and their students have some of the highest exam scores in the world with a very low gap between the best and worst students. I'm not saying Nigeria can afford these programs but I think we can do much better than currently. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by misaac: 10:12pm On Jan 27, 2011 |
fstranger1: I'm just wondering, is it totally right to say we have produced those guys? Are you sure these guys would be who they are now if they had not left Nigeria? If Nigeria was so good, why did they have to leave? Could it be because something was/is lacking? Okay, can we think of any American or European who, lets say went to high school in his country, then moved to Nigeria and became as big as these guys? It seems you have a problem with someone on this thread and while I don't want to get into it, I'm just wondering, what are you yourself doing about Nigeria? I'm happy you had the best education in Nigeria. I can assure you that you are most likely an exception or that the percentage of people who truly feel the way you do about their Nigerian education is rather low. So while you were among the fortunate, the majority of Nigerians are not in your shoes and that's why we even have this thread going on, I believe. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 4:40am On Jan 28, 2011 |
Truly sad, the situation down there. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Nobody: 11:34am On Jan 28, 2011 |
misaac:You are just talking off point whilst still managing to come up with arrant tripe. We are discussing high school education remember. The point F stranger was making is that the system does produce a lot of white collar graduates and professionals who excel all over the world. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 1:57pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
^^^^ Can you please provide evidence to show that the system we have today is the very same system in place in the 1960's when some of our great universities were associate foreign schools? . And the same system can be credited for producing even one of the relevant names listed? Only a while back, I had a debate on this with a friend who believed she was a product of the Nigerian school system. She attended a private primary school in Nigeria about 20 years ago and even back then, the private primary school was at least 10 times better than the average primary school then. I know this because I went from one public school to another before ending up in a private primary school, and then back in public school after graduating from primary grade. She went on to finish up half of her secondary school years in a federal girls secondary school(which again is NOT to be compared with the average public secondary school since even back then, federal schools were considered many times better than ordinary public schools) before moving on the public school system in the UK, and then university in the UK. Her argument was that her education in Nigeria prepared her, but she just could not see that even the bit she got in Nigeria does not compare with what the average Nigerian(mind you the HUGE MAJORITY) have access to. She is right now in the US, and she still thinks she is a product of the Nigerian school system when she never spent a day living even shadowing the average Nigerian out there. Seriously, I think in other to show that we respect the plight of those who probably do not have the same opportunities we ourselves had, and have today( as I believe most of these on here probably never went to any of those public schools or real schools in Nigeria), we need to each spend some time educating ourselves and understanding what really exists today, then compare it to our FANTASTICAL ideas what our system used to be. That way we don't offer up obtuse posts proposing the system has remained CONSTANT in all that time that has passed and that every Nigerian out there has access to the same UNIQUE opportunities we ourselves were privy to. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Nobody: 2:12pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
Kobojunkie you have just been raising people's hackles with your blanket condemnation of the entire educational system when it should be obvious to you that the system excels in some aspects whilst being mediocre in other aspects. What can be done to ameliorate the challenging condition of public high schools in the rural area? Many constructive suggerstions have ALREADY been made on this thread regarding this issue so no point rehashing them. But these suggestions do not include the government funding these rural schools to Western levels as that is a definite non starter. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 2:22pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
Chinua Achebe's Education http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinua_Achebe In 1936, Achebe entered St Philips' Central School. Despite his protests, he spent a week in the religious class for young children, but was quickly moved to a higher class when the school's chaplain took note of his intelligence.[10] One teacher described him as the student with the best handwriting in class, and the best reading skills.[11] He also attended Sunday school every week and the special evangelical services held monthly, often carrying his father's bag. A controversy erupted at one such session, when apostates from the new church challenged the catechist about the tenets of Christianity. Achebe later included a scene from this incident in Things Fall Apart.[12][13]
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Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 2:25pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
Okonjo-Iweala's Education http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ngozi_Okonjo-Iweala Education and personal life |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 2:27pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
Emegwali's Education Emeagwali was born in Akure, Nigeria on 23 August 1954.[1] His early schooling was suspended in 1967 due to the Nigerian-Biafran war. When he turned fourteen, he served in the Biafran army. [b]After the war he completed a high-school equivalency through self-study. He travelled to the United States to study under a scholarship after taking a correspondence course at the University of London.[citation needed] He received a bachelor's degree in mathematics from Oregon State University in 1977. [/b]He worked as a civil engineer at the Bureau of Land Reclamation in Wyoming during this period http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_Emeagwali |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 2:46pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
Wole Soyinka's Education http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wole_Soyinka
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Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 2:58pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
Gani Fawehinmi's Education http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gani_Fawehinmi Gani had his early education at Ansar-Ud-Deen Primary School, Iyemaja - Ondo from 1947 to 1953 and his secondary school education at Victory College Ikare, a Christian School from 1954 to 1958, [/b]under the leadership of the Late Rev. Akinrele where he sat for and passed his West African School Certificate Examination in 1958. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by fstranger1: 3:00pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
WHat is your point? Shifting the goal post as usual? I thought your point was that nothing good came out of the Naija's system? |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by Kobojunkie: 3:08pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
misaac: Honestly, I don't think our system produced many of those we consider the great in Nigeria today. Looking at their education record, it is all too clear that they were not produced by the Nigerian system. They may have been helped along but definitely not produced, not according to wiki records of them. Also, the education system has witnessed a decline, so it is obnoxious to state that the very system available back in the 1960's - 1970's is what we still have today. We know this is not true from the fact that the government has changed it so many times since then, and I believe there are plans to change it yet again. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by fstranger1: 3:16pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
^^^^ You are very very pathetic and highly stupidd ( no offense) So Nigeria where they all had more than 12 years of their schooling did not produce these giants. They were all produced by the educational system of the foreign countries where they only attended for 4 yrs. Does that make sense to you Kobo: 12 Vs 4. And, in your senile mind, 4 trumps 12. So it is the 4 yrs that Soyinka spent at Leeds that made him win the Nobel prize even though some of his stories and plays were from Yoruba folklore? Despite plagiarizing our collective memory and works by D.O. Fagunwa and other Naija greats,you still want to give the credit to the Oyinbo man? Not to Wole Soyinka himself who labored night and day to achieve his dream. And, not to his so many Naija teachers and the unique Nigerian environment that shaped his life, outlook and attitude. You are just pathetic Kobo. You are disgusting. |
Re: 79.6% Students Fails Again In Waec Exams by SEFAGO(m): 3:21pm On Jan 28, 2011 |
LOL Sefago grabs pop corn, sits down, and gets ready for his friday morning entertainment |
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