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Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by gidgiddy: 8:02am On May 18, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: If the SW is to aspire to the Presidency then there is no point power coming down to the South since the aim has been defeated. All 6 geopolitical zones should aspire to Presidency and whoever gets the most votes should carry the day 1 Like |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Mraphel: 8:34am On May 18, 2020 |
Igboid:You're 100% wrong in your analysis Nnamdi azikiwe contested under parties founded by Yoruba. Can't u do ur research? Yoruba people made him. He can speak the Yoruba language fluently 5 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Igboid: 8:37am On May 18, 2020 |
Mraphel: NCNC was a national party. Zik was there right from the beginning even when Herbert Macaulay was party leader. So I don't understand what you mean by party founded by Yorubas. The only party I know that was founded by Yorubas was AG, a truly tribal party. 1 Like |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Igboid: 8:49am On May 18, 2020 |
lexyking: I'd still like to see how Zik betrayed Yorubas. If anything, Awolowo used his tribal politics to make Yorubas stop Zik from becoming the premier of the region. As for 2011 elections, Yorubas contributions to GEJ win is so minimal that GEJ lost in Osun and like I mentioned before, election turn up for presidential election was so poor in SW. If we remove Lagos which is a multiethnic cosmopolitan state, SW on the whole gave 1,434,729 votes to GEJ. If we add Lagos to Yoruba just to be generous,even though we know it's a multiethnic state it will be 2,716,417 votes. In contrast, SE gave 4,985,246 votes for GEJ, times two of SW votes with Lagos and times 3 without Lagos. But the person I quoted is already claiming GEJ won with SW votes, when the numbers say otherwise. https://www.oecd.org/countries/nigeria/presidentialelectioninnigeria-16april2011.htm Yorubas must come to the realization that the days of Lagos-Ibadan media propaganda machine monopoly when you guys spinned falsehoods unchallenged are gone. The Internet is a great equalizer. This Igbo generation will not let you get away with distortions like our forerunners did, we are angry and eager to correct our fathers mistakes as far as allowing you the space to manipulate narratives is concerned, you will be well and thoroughly checkmated. 1 Like
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Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Mraphel: 8:56am On May 18, 2020 |
Igboid:Who founded NCNC? |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Igboid: 10:13am On May 18, 2020 |
Mraphel: NCNC was founded in 1944 by the union of Zik faction of NYM and Herbert Macaulay NNDP. Herbert Macaulay became the Party president while Zik became the secretary. |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by lexyking(m): 10:30am On May 18, 2020 |
Igboid: Ok, going with the election results you posted. its clear that GEJ got over 50% of the votes casted in the southwest with the exception of Osun state. So how how can you call a percentage of over 50% minimal? It's a well known fact that the Yorubas dont give total support to any candidate or party in any given election since 1999. even Buhari with a Yoruba vice couldn't get more than 70% of Yoruba votes in the last election. PDP HAD MORE VOTES FROM THE SOUTHWEST THAN SOUTHEAST IN THE LAST ELECTION this was despite the fact that they had no stake in PDP. So it was not out of spite or hatred for GEJ that made him not to get close to 100% of the Yoruba votes, it's just in our nature to be liberal and to understand that there is no such thing as 100% right or wrong hence our propensity to stay in the middle. As for Zik betrayer of the Yorubas, you would need to have an Understanding of the history of NCNC,that is, the founding members, the mission and vision of the party,to truly understand how Zik hijacked the party and made it Igbo centric. You contradicted yourself again my friend by accusing the Lagos-Ibadan press of engaging in propaganda while you're busy with a propaganda of your own. why don't you ask yourself why Azikiwe wanted to become the premier of the west, and while at it you might also want to justify your reasons for saying Awolowo engaged in tribal politics. Because factually speaking, Zik started tribal politics in Nigeria. first by turning a pan African political party which was founded and funded by the Yorubas at the initial stage to a Igbo centric party. now before you start with the rhetorics of NCNC being a Igbo party, it will intrest you to know that Zik was the only non Yoruba person among the founding members of the party. so if you don't know this fact then I'm not sure I need to go further in trying to explain how Zik screwed us over. But if you know this fact, indicate it and we can further convers on the issue 10 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Horladipupo0505: 10:34am On May 18, 2020 |
rdokoye:and buhari Neva won any state under south east...it is beta south east and south south come together for liberation..2023 Southwest... confirm 2 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Igboid: 11:18am On May 18, 2020 |
r=lexyking
The point was that voters turn up in SW 2011 presidential election was poor, because the people really didn't identify with GEJ. The voters apathy was obvious. And my point is that SW contributed very minimal to GEJ emergence as the president contrary to the claim that you were major contributors. The voters turnout in SW was disgraceful.
I know that Yorubas usually split their votes when a Yoruba man is not a major presidential candidate. But that's not my point. My aim was to dispel the falsehood that GEJ emergence in 2011 had Yorubas as "major" contributors. It's important I dispel that falsehood because I have come across posts in the past where some Yoruba persons claim they "made" GEJ president only for him to turn around and marginalize them. Sure, Yorubas contributed to GEJ rise, but they were not major stakeholders or contributors to his emergence in 2011, at least not more than Ndiigbo. As for Zik betrayer of the Yorubas, you would need to have an Understanding of the history of NCNC,that is, the founding members, the mission and vision of the party,to truly understand how Zik hijacked the party and made it Igbo centric. I'm yet to understand the whole idea of Zik betraying SW. After the fall out of NYM elections where Zik supported Ijebu Yoruba candidate was defeated by alliance of other Yorubas and Ikoli. Zik left NYM and formed NCNC with Herbert Macaulay in 1944, by uniting his faction of NYM(made up Igbos and Ijebu Yorubas) and NDDP of Macaulay. Macaulay as an elder statesman became the New party president with Zik as the secretary. NCNC was accepted as a national party by all, as far as Macaulay a Yoruba man was the leader. But immediately Macaulay died and Zik succeeded him naturally as the party leader. Awolowo and other Yoruba nationalists were no longer happy with NCNC, they formed a tribal party AG, and then they all slowly diffused to AG, leaving Zik and NCNC with mainly Easterners and Midwesterns and few Ijebu Yoruba foundational members. Zik was actually betrayed in NCNC by the Yorubas who accused him of running an Igbo agenda for aspiring to become the premier of the western region. You contradicted yourself again my friend by accusing the Lagos-Ibadan press of engaging in propaganda while you're busy with a propaganda of your own. why don't you ask yourself why Azikiwe wanted to become the premier of the west, and while at it you might also want to justify your reasons for saying Awolowo engaged in tribal politics. Of course it was a propaganda. I am only here to burst your propaganda. Zik wanted to be the premier of the western region, the same way Nigerians in UK are contesting for elective positions there and winning. He lived in Lagos and his Party as of that time was the leading party of Southern Nigeria. Why shouldn't he contest for the premier of western region .
The father of tribalism in Nigeria politics was Awolowo. AG was s tribal Yoruba party, an extension of Egbe Omo Yoruba. Awo rode on tribalism to gather Yoruba politicians to AG. He was the father of tribalism in Nigeria. 2 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by lexyking(m): 12:24pm On May 18, 2020 |
Igboid: Here we go again. So Awolowo being a Yoruba man and seeking for an elective position in a Yoruba land against an Igbo man did wrong by reminding his people that their interests can only be protected by their fellow Yoruba man? 6 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by omonnakoda: 12:30pm On May 18, 2020 |
So there is a competition between Eboe and Yoruba on contribution to Jonathan success? Why can't you people mind your Ibohmosxl business? Politically we are parallel. We don't need you for anything Never have,never will 3 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by MetaPhysical: 12:43pm On May 18, 2020 |
gidgiddy: Isn't that trend for the past 20yrs? Buhari contested repeatedly even when it was not the turn of North. In 2019 it was North's turn, Southerners were in the race. Abi Moghalu na Northerner, Sowore na Northerner? We have said it repeatedly that it is open. Even party primaries are open now. 5 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Topsic70: 2:20pm On May 18, 2020 |
moshuur:Unfortunately, very many of them think dt way. Once they conceive an idea, they remain fixated on it no matter how ludicrous it sounds. dia mata taya parzin nor be small. 3 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Topsic70: 2:27pm On May 18, 2020 |
PeterUdeme:When it pays them, ss and se are one, but in ds case ss is different from se as it doesn't pay them. 3 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Mraphel: 2:28pm On May 18, 2020 |
Igboid:. Where's ur source of this wrong information? 3 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by googi: 2:50pm On May 18, 2020 |
Who was the leader of NYM? Igboid: Look I have come to love and accept my Igbo brothers. It is too late to expect them to change. Their goal is to dominate Yoruba on Yoruba land. It is an impossible task. You cannot swallow anything twice your size unless you want to burst. I have friends across Africa and I love them. BIAFRA would be part of West Africa and even closer. Let BIAFRA be. The WEST would be relieved of all the animosity, hate and bickering on our land. 5 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Igboid: 2:51pm On May 18, 2020 |
Mraphel: Here. I purposely used a Yoruba source. 1 Like
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Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Igboid: 3:04pm On May 18, 2020 |
googi: NYM fractured after Ikoli from SS defeated Zik candidate, Akinsanya an Ijebu Yoruba man. Zik took his NYM controlled faction comprising of mainly Igbos and Ijebu Yoruba supporters and United with Herbert Macaulay NNDP to form NCNC. Ndiigbo can never let Biafra be. Any one who doesn't wish us Biafra actualization but rather constitute a resistance to us, whether subtly or conspicuously, can never be a friend to Ndiigbo. Biafra is the heart beat of Igbo nationalism. You can't claim to love Ndiigbo and hate Biafra. That's like cognitive dissonance. Ndiigbo would become friends with Yorubas once we are both independent nations. It will dissipate the built up animosities and anger, resentment and malice. Any Yoruba man seeking for good relationship between Yoruba and Igbo under Nigeria, is being delusional. It will not happen. Not now, not in a million years time. Ndiigbo can never happily share a country with Yorubas ever in this universe. The events of 1967-70 cannot be undone. We have reached a point of no return with each other. 2 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Mraphel: 3:29pm On May 18, 2020 |
Igboid: Go to any reliable source..non will deny the founder of NCNC..Herbert Maculey. He became the president of the party later ZIK joined with other Yorubas. ZIK was seen like a Yoruba and was not discriminated upon. All the support gave way for him. He finished his political career when he align himself with the North. 2 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Igboid: 3:42pm On May 18, 2020 |
Mraphel: Which reliable source? The party Macaulay founded was NNDP not NCNC. NCNC is a union of Zik controlled faction of NYM and Macaulay NNDP. |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by googi: 4:03pm On May 18, 2020 |
As usual, Igbo (revised) pseudo historians would rather twerk or read the same facts upside-down. Herbert Macauley, a Yoruba man was the leader of NYM. It was an Activists party. As he got older, Zik supported Akinsanya, a Yoruba as leader but Awolowo supported Ikoli an Ijaw as leader. When Macauley formed NCNC, he mentored Azikiwe just like other Yoruba. When he died, Azikiwe used his goodwill to become leader within majority that were Yoruba. An influence that benefited him in Lagos and Ibadan. Think about it, like other businesses that trusted Igbo, once the Yoruba founders died, they all became dominated by Igbo. As for letting everyone back to RESET stage, I agree with you. Igbo has been consistent since NCNC. They see themselves as God appointed rulers of others. Yoruba mentored all your leaders in NYM. Go back and read your sources again. Again let Biafran be! Igboid: 4 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by omonnakoda: 4:05pm On May 18, 2020 |
Igboid:Who are you kidding did you happily share a country with Yoruba before 1967? You tell yourselves lies all the time You are in a box. A 5% box of irrelevance. When you are ready declare another Biafra and see what happens What makes you think Yoruba want good relationships We want good behaviour from you. Misbehave and you will be chastised severely You talk as if you can do anything to Yoruba Your words are IMPOTENT RANTING Declare Biafra if them born una well 2 Likes |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by scholes0(m): 4:05pm On May 18, 2020 |
PVision2020: Baba How far.... |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by joeyfire(m): 4:10pm On May 18, 2020 |
MetaPhysical: Kwakwakwakakwa Yorubas are in no position to lecture anybody especially the South East about the need to enter into alliances to get the presidency. The whole country left the presidency for you people in 1999 because of the equity and fairness that you are trying to downplay today. Yorubas did not enter into any alliance before you were given the president out of PITY over MKO Abiola's death Igbos don't even need this presidency you are all ready to die for, we need to leave this country for you NURTW people and your masters up north But if na matter of alliance and fairness you know Igbos are the people who will get it in 2023. But we no need am, give us a referendum instead |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by joeyfire(m): 4:16pm On May 18, 2020 |
googi: As if we don't know the story of Punch Newspapers |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by PVision2020(m): 4:43pm On May 18, 2020 |
scholes0:Scholes baba mo wa jare. How your side? |
Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by MetaPhysical: 5:10pm On May 18, 2020 |
Igboid: NYM had been in existence before Zik came to Lagos and later joined. NYM was originally Lagos Youth Movement, LYM. See attached article. 1934 Zik was just finishing school in US and returned to Africa. He came to Lagos in 1936.....two years after the date referenced in the article. The whole event of NYM disintegration is around a vacancy in the council seat. Kofo Abayomi held the seat but he got a Rhodes Scholarship to study in UK and vacated the seat. New election was needed. This is what brought about the contest between Ikoli and Akinsanya. There were deep disagreements in the NYM party. Akinsanya was not Zik's candidate. Akinsanya left NYM to run as a Independent candidate. Zik also ran as independent candidate. Ikoli won, Akinsanya came second, beating Zik. Stop rewriting and fabricating new additions. Zik was not the owner of NYM or NCNC. He was not even a cofounder of any party in Lagos. 4 Likes 1 Share
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Re: 2023: The SE/SS Should Work Against The SW, Even If It Means North Retaining Pow by Nobody: 5:10pm On May 18, 2020 |
omonnakoda: Precisely. I don't really know why Igbos remain oblivious to the fact that they are in a parasitic relationship with Yorubas that will collapse spectacularly God willing they gain Biafra. What do Yorubas gain from the SE? Zilch. What do Igbos gain from the SW? Every single damn thing that makes a man or woman complete in ways their own region cannot give them hence the ridiculously high number of Igbos who are now Yoruba in ideology and have no interest in ever living in the SE. I know many of those type of Igbos personally to predict that the militant IPOBians and hardcore separatists elements, pushing for Biafra, will be extremely shocked and frustrated by the huge number of Igbos outside Ala Igbo who will insist on keeping their Nigerian passport, if this ensures they remain in the SW, rather than get a Biafran passport that condemns them to living in the cauldron of hate, intolerance, backwardness and discrimination the South East region is. 2 Likes |
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