JubrilBuhari:

I doubt there is anything like this or even cultural relationship.
Seems like something you just formed off hand to bring two unrelated terms.
Awka is very far to Orlu and they don't even share boundaries.

Ihiala-Orlu could have make sense not Awake-Orlu. I also don't even think there was any point in time they even shared administrative blok.

Awka- Orlu is not used to classify a people of similar cultural practices. I know why you are alarmed but no problem.

IDENNAA:


Igboukwu bronze is not older than Nri because they bore Nri motif like ichi. Isu is a forgotten group without a definite culture. Nobody knew their original home land but I believe they were one of the group that migrated southward during the drought. Meaning that the arrival of the Igala sojourners led to the dearth of the once thriving Igbo Ukwu art work.

Many groups lived on what is known as Anambra and we do not have evidence to prove Igboukwu is Isu. And, no , we don't know Isu and they can't claim the artifacts.....go back to Imo and mind your business. You cultureless nonentity

I agree with the Ichi scarification which shows that the decline of the Igbo Ukwu art work occurred in the 15th century. Similar to the period of Nri arrival and which may have even contributed to the end of an era.

You called the Isu cultureless nonentity, lol! Well, the same way the Isu lost the traditions of their origin, is the same way the Awka, Nsukka, Okigwe, Owerri, Oru, Nnewi, etc forgot their own origin. Something that is not true of those who crossed the river, but out of shame has continuously refused to accept their Igala origin.
Is it not a shame that your Nri is a backrunner to the great Igbo culture that has thrived since centuries?

Am I reading this exchange correctly? There are people here trying to make a non-Igbo argument about excavated artifacts? Do people not know how archeology and anthropology work?

Wow, I,m so, so proud of Igbos.

Their sophisticated egalitarian society upheld hard work, progress and intelligence not nepotism and regression. This allowed specialised skills such as blacksmithing, doctoring and carving to thrive.

Just look at the amazing works they were doing, captured in bronze, while some on the other side were still playing with twigs.

No wonder I've seen a few odd bunches on this site trying to steal Igbo history for themselves.

And if they were already creating metal art which if brought today could be mistaken for the work of machines...

Then what were creating centuries, or even millennia before that?

JubrilBuhari:

Save face from a frustrated nairaland hungry 'geographer'?
You sounds so idiotic.

This thread was about Igbo-Ukwu, you lots from your forest in Imo state started with Igbo-ukwu not Nri and then the none existing Awka-Orlu cultural or whatever.


You need to see how idiotic you sounds.
Lol
I can bring a rubbish sketch to points Onitsha-Orlu, what do they share?
Nothing! That's my point!

I don't expect understating from a half educated hungry frustrated geographer like you idiot!

If for one this here you poured your frustration, and venom from your rotten teeth.

I actually enjoyed your wailings here, including tagging Yoruba.

I am not from Imo State, you low-IQ imbecílé.

UdechiHD:
Lol! The dude didn't know that blacksmithing has been an Igbo craft since ages. i.e Awka, Amaigbo, Nsukka etc All these were notable blacksmithing towns since antiquity.
Igbo Ukwu art work is similar to the Egyptian arts and proves the early civilization of the Igbo people.

U didn't add akùlù isuofia.
The smallest village in isuofia,Soludo town.
Their main occupation then was blacksmith.

RedboneSmith:

I am not from Imo State, you low-IQ imbecílé.

Shut up! You are not from Anambra, you're a Yoruba from Oshogbo delving into Anambra matters.
Stupid troll.

YolobaMuslim:


Shut up! You are not from Anambra, you're a Yoruba from Oshogbo delving into Anambra matters.
Stupid troll.

I'm no longer from Imo. I'm now from Oshogbo.

Dumbfụck.

An Urhobo boy was here yesterday, questioning your heritage, you couldn't say pim because you lack the intelletual ability to do so. You looked on dumb as I fought your fight for you.

Olugo na insult, Ị mapụta, makana Ị nụlụ Awka-Orlu that every scholar, geographer and historian and student of demographics knows about. Anụmanụ na-amarọ ife.

RedboneSmith:


I'm no longer from Imo. I'm now from Oshogbo.

Dumbfụck.

An Urhobo boy was here yesterday, questioning your heritage, you couldn't say pim because you lack the intelletual ability to do so. You looked on dumb as I fought your fight for you.

Olugo na insult, Ị mapụta, makana Ị nụlụ Awka-Orlu that every scholar, geographer and historian and student of demographics knows about. Anụmanụ na-amarọ ife.

Frustrated hungry kindergarten half-educated historian claiming we Anambra.
Awka-Orlu geographer

Hunger don turn this street thug at internet attack dog.

RedboneSmith:


I'm no longer from Imo. I'm now from Oshogbo.

Dumbfụck.

An Urhobo boy was here yesterday, questioning your heritage, you couldn't say pim because you lack the intelletual ability to do so. You looked on dumb as I fought your fight for you.

Olugo na insult, Ị mapụta, makana Ị nụlụ Awka-Orlu that every scholar, geographer and historian and student of demographics knows about. Anụmanụ na-amarọ ife.

The reason for his frustration is that his other moniker has been banned. Dude has nothing to offer and like a street goon, he has resulted to insults.
No need replying the clown.

sassysure:

U didn't add akùlù isuofia.
The smallest village in isuofia,Soludo town.
Their main occupation then was blacksmith.

You're right. Isuofia is close to Awka, the reason I labelled them under that area.

UdechiHD:
The reason for his frustration is that his other moniker has been banned. Dude has nothing to offer and like a street goon, he has resulted to insults.
No need replying the clown.

He's a sad little man. And I'm finished with him.

pazienza:


More like its not the narrative that satiates your Igbophobic mindsets and wishes.

You are probably looking for a hypothesis that could pin those art works to non Igbo groups.

Sorry! Bad market.

Even Nok culture is said to be that of a lost civilization and there is no proof of being ancestors to middle belters as we know it. The Igbo ukwu bronze work were most likely carried out by a lost civilization who were displaced by Igbo migration into the area.

darfay:



Even Nok culture is said to be that of a lost civilization and there is no proof of being ancestors to middle belters as we know it. The Igbo ukwu bronze work were most likely carried out by a lost civilization who were displaced by Igbo migration into the area.

Haha, keep on dreaming, maybe it'll come true.
Btw, which tribe are you? Just out of curiosity.

UdechiHD:
I agree with the Ichi scarification which shows that the decline of the Igbo Ukwu art work occurred in the 15th century. Similar to the period of Nri arrival and which may have even contributed to the end of an era.

You called the Isu cultureless nonentity, lol! Well, the same way the Isu lost the traditions of their origin, is the same way the Awka, Nsukka, Okigwe, Owerri, Oru, Nnewi, etc forgot their own origin. Something that is not true of those who crossed the river, but out of shame has continuously refused to accept their Igala origin.
Is it not a shame that your Nri is a backrunner to the great Igbo culture that has thrived since centuries?

Awka, it's related and neighboring towns share culture with Nri and over a long period of time they morphed into a homogeneous culture just like all Omanbala towns. Anambra towns share A homogeneous culture and it will remain so.

Nnewi , though with mixed heritage is also Nri cultured town and practice same culture as their Omanbala family.

Nsukka also practice Nri cultured but they eat the sacred python and we consider it both disgusting and taboo. Anambra people barely started inter marrying with them.

As for Owerri , Oru , Okigwe etc. I could careless what they do down there as long as it's not hurting my culture. The rest of the nonsense you wrote is none of my business.

RedboneSmith:


I'm no longer from Imo. I'm now from Oshogbo.

Dumbfụck.

An Urhobo boy was here yesterday, questioning your heritage, you couldn't say pim because you lack the intelletual ability to do so. You looked on dumb as I fought your fight for you.

Olugo na insult, Ị mapụta, makana Ị nụlụ Awka-Orlu that every scholar, geographer and historian and student of demographics knows about. Anụmanụ na-amarọ ife.

The guy misunderstood the message you are trying to convey but I get his frustration. Many southern Igbo are hell bent on tarnishing the glory of our Omanbala identity. This thread has angered a lot of people with Nri roots and some of us are just hot headed.

darfay:



Even Nok culture is said to be that of a lost civilization and there is no proof of being ancestors to middle belters as we know it. The Igbo ukwu bronze work were most likely carried out by a lost civilization who were displaced by Igbo migration into the area.

Oga, what is wrong with you? Those artifacts bear motifs consistent with Anambra groups like the Python , Ichi etc. How do you explain that ?

RedboneSmith:



Lol. Those artifacts highlight a culture that is still quite identifable with cultural norms in the whole Awka-Orlu zone. There is no doubt in any scholar's mind that ancestors of the modern Igbo of that general area made and used them.

How did the igbos of say the 18th century regressed so so much from their ancestors

IDENNAA:


Oga, what is wrong with you? Those artifacts bear motifs consistent with Anambra groups like the Python , Ichi etc. How do you explain that ?

Pythons have always occupied those areas probably even before humans, so that's not a strong point
I don't know what ichi is but even at that igbo migrants might have borrowed it from them


@Nowenuse what's your take on this topic bro?

UdechiHD:
Igbo ukwu bronze is older than Nri. This Nri mythology is beginning to ridicule earlier Igbo civilization. Nri is 14th century for crying out loud, but the Igbo Ukwu civilization is in the BC.

All the forged history tieing Igbo origin to Nri are not proven but doctored. Any wonder some folks are bent on connecting yesterday Nri to the ownership of Igbo Ukwu bronzes to gain some authority.

But the truth is that, the only Igbo clan who can claim ownership to the bronze work remains the Isu! Why? One, Isu is far older than Nri and have no history of coming from anywhere. Two, the area now claimed by the immigrant Oraeri is territorially Isu — geographically, linguistically and culturally. Even a lot of the cultural practices casted in that mask still resonate around the Isu area. For instance the snake totem etc. But sadly, Igbo history is bedevilled with quack historians with their plagiarism research. Almost all the wack Igbo historians nowadays are simply doing quote and paste, copying the works of the likes of Isichei etc. What stops Igbo historians from carrying out more research or continue the work of Thurstan Shaw to unearth more truths. Apart from Dr. Nwaezeigwe, who is venturing into newer point of view, we have no notable Igbo historian doing something unique, somone who goes to the areas themselves to carry out objective and mind blowing research in areas like the Igbo hinterlands, western Igbo, northern Igbo and even in coastal Bonny and Nembe to dig out facts.

brother after I saw this and looked into it, I must say you took me by surprise. there is really a chance that the bronzes are older than said. True talk

darfay:



Even Nok culture is said to be that of a lost civilization and there is no proof of being ancestors to middle belters as we know it. The Igbo ukwu bronze work were most likely carried out by a lost civilization who were displaced by Igbo migration into the area.

We are not Nok. So whatever happened in Nok stays in Nok.
You are irredeemable. All experts who studied Igbo ukwu agreed it's an Igbo civilization, but a bitter frustrated Igbophobic entity on NL thinks otherwise and wants us to take him serious.

Igbo ukwu civilization belongs to Ndiigbo. That's all there is about it.

Move on.

pazienza:


We are not Nok. So whatever happened in Nok stays in Nok.
You are irredeemable. All experts who studied Igbo ukwu agreed it's an Igbo civilization, but a bitter frustrated Igbophobic entity on NL thinks otherwise and wants us to take him serious.

Igbo ukwu civilization belongs to Ndiigbo. That's all there is about it.

Move on.

Baseless igbophillic speculations

darfay:


Baseless igbophillic speculations

This one is blinded by the glistening light of the Igbo magnificence.
I feel your pain.

You wish we were at same strata with your primitive people.
No chance

The concept of "cultural continuity" (with respect to the Awka-Orlu axis and the artifacts) seems to be evading darfay.

ChinenyeN:
The concept of "cultural continuity" (with respect to the Awka-Orlu axis and the artifacts) seems to be evading darfay.

Cultural continuity you say?

The art work suggested that Igbo race of the 8th century were more advanced than those of the 18th century

darfay:
The art work suggested that Igbo race of the 8th century were more advanced than those of the 18th century

The art suggests a lost bronzesmithing culture group which belonged to the Awka-Orlu cultural complex.

UdechiHD:
Lol! The dude didn't know that blacksmithing has been an Igbo craft since ages. i.e Awka, Amaigbo, Nsukka etc All these were notable blacksmithing towns since antiquity.
Igbo Ukwu art work is similar to the Egyptian arts and proves the early civilization of the Igbo people.

Yes indeed Igbo's has always been good in blacksmithing, here are some pictures Igbo's ingenuity in blacksmithing.

First picture : is of double edge sword by Aro blacksmith inwhich it was also a popular type of war sword ( Nma aha) which was common among pre colonial Igbo's of present day Abia and Imo cultural areas.

Second and third picture : also belongs to the same cultural areas of Abia And Imo.

Fourth picture : belongs to Anioma/Anambara cultural areas that were involved in the Ekumeku war, a war that was fought against British colonialists.

IDENNAA:


The guy misunderstood the message you are trying to convey but I get his frustration. Many southern Igbo are hell bent on tarnishing the glory of our Omanbala identity. This thread has angered a lot of people with Nri roots and some of us are just hot headed.

Omanbala identity is only but a figment of your imagination. It is only on Nairaland that I began hearing such fantasy. Chiefly sponsored by one Odenigbo Aroli, aka Nri fake priest, Idenna etc.

Where exactly is this so-called cultural practice happening? The Omanbala identity no one talks about even as far as Aguleri. Why is this useless identity only sponsored by unknown nairaland faceless champions.
When does a river identifies a people? It's obvious we have Igala minorities claiming Nri here. Even if this identity is championed by Nzam people, maybe a few slaps will fine tune their heads back to reality. If I didn't tell you that the area you claims as Omanbala cultural influence is my maternal home, would you believe?

My own mother is from Awkuzu and that town is like my home. And from my sojourn to Igbariam, Nteje, Otuocha, Enugu-Ukwu, Agukwu-Nri, Agulu, Abba, Abagana, Enugu-Agidi, down to the fringes of Nibo, Nise, and Amawbia, I didn't see, hear or observe any Omanbala trash. Where do you say you're from again Mr Idenna? This Omanbala in question is hardly mentioned in the areas I listed above, to the extent that Agulu lake and Idemili river is more pronounced than it. Even the Nri you're hyping is unknown in Anambra, and need the help of a banner to identify itself.

Who goes to Agukwu, to do what exactly? The first time I passed the small village, I didn't know it was the hyped Nri. It was a friend that pointed to an advert, buried under a banner hung in the entrance of the small town titled 'The ancient Kingdom of Nri —cradle of Igbo civilization'. An Nri town with no lands, and whose source of survival is limited in the hands of the Umudiana sorrounding it. Even Agukwu supposed headship is still challenged by other Umueri groups who don't want to be left out of the tourism potentials enjoyed by Nri.
Even in as far as Awka nobody gives a crap about dead Nri culture, just as the Abians don't give a crap about dead Aro. Omanbala culture my ass.

I guess we need to fix a meeting someday, maybe when I'm in Awkuzu let's settle this discussion for good. I would like to know this so-called Omanbala cultural influence and communities.

Omambala community and cultural influences is a HOAX! CASE CLOSED

UdechiHD:
Omanbala identity is only but a figment of your imagination. It is only on Nairaland that I began hearing such fantasy. Chiefly sponsored by one Odenigbo Aroli, aka Nri fake priest, Idenna etc.

Where exactly is this so-called cultural practice happening? The Omanbala identity no one talks about even as far as Aguleri. Why is this useless identity only sponsored by unknown nairaland faceless champions.
When does a river identifies a people? It's obvious we have Igala minorities claiming Nri here. Even if this identity is championed by Nzam people, maybe a few slaps will fine tune their heads back to reality. If I didn't tell you that the area you claims as Omanbala cultural influence is my maternal home, would you believe?

My own mother is from Awkuzu and that town is like my home. And from my sojourn to Igbariam, Nteje, Otuocha, Enugu-Ukwu, Agukwu-Nri, Agulu, Abba, Abagana, Enugu-Agidi, down to the fringes of Nibo, Nise, and Amawbia, I didn't see, hear or observe any Omanbala trash. Where do you say you're from again Mr Idenna? This Omanbala in question is hardly mentioned in the areas I listed above, to the extent that Agulu lake and Idemili river is more pronounced than it. Even the Nri you're hyping is unknown in Anambra, and need the help of a banner to identify itself.

Who goes to Agukwu, to do what exactly? The first time I passed the small village, I didn't know it was the hyped Nri. It was a friend that pointed to an advert, buried under a banner hung in the entrance of the small town titled 'The ancient Kingdom of Nri —cradle of Igbo civilization'. An Nri town with no lands, and whose source of survival is limited in the hands of the Umudiana sorrounding it. Even Agukwu supposed headship is still challenged by other Umueri groups who don't want to be left out of the tourism potentials enjoyed by Nri.
Even in as far as Awka nobody gives a crap about dead Nri culture, just as the Abians don't give a crap about dead Aro. Omanbala culture my ass.

I guess we need to fix a meeting someday, maybe when I'm in Awkuzu let's settle this discussion for good. I would like to know this so-called Omanbala cultural influence and communities.

Omanbala culture was coined by me, OdenigboAroli based on group of cultural theme common in the the Omanbala.
List of traditions that qualifies a town as Omanbala cultured.
Agaba Iduu masquerade
Ijele masquerade
Igba ndi eze(Abiulor, Akwunechenyi, Ijele) drums
Otu Odu/Omu
Nze na Ozo and its accessories
Style of dance common in the areas...we don't dance with butt shaking with our nobles sitting.
Omanbala family of dialects
Ufie
Egwu ota
The Ogidi royal crown
Ofala
Ikenga
Ogwugwu na Udo
Mbem/mmaku
Ichi
Etc.

The aforementioned are tradition inherent in the Omanbala culture. You , a non Omanbala dont have these and it sets us apart. You can never merge Anambra and Imo because we arent same. Enugu and Enuani are closer but not Imo, your home state. Even , you hqve evaded telling me your town of origin. Iburo Onye Anambra and you will never be even if you marry one. You will leave this planet as a non Anambra man! Deal withit.

Whether Agukwu is little or not doesnt change its place in Igbo and Nigerian history. You comdenm Nri because you have no culture of note to be proud of. Matter of fact , we dont even know where you are from. Mention your home town....No...lol. Dont worry about Umunri problems...create your own culture!