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Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by IDENNAA(m): 2:53am On Jun 01, 2020 |
JubrilBuhari: Awka- Orlu is not used to classify a people of similar cultural practices. I know why you are alarmed but no problem. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by Nobody: 3:06am On Jun 01, 2020 |
IDENNAA:I agree with the Ichi scarification which shows that the decline of the Igbo Ukwu art work occurred in the 15th century. Similar to the period of Nri arrival and which may have even contributed to the end of an era. You called the Isu cultureless nonentity, lol! Well, the same way the Isu lost the traditions of their origin, is the same way the Awka, Nsukka, Okigwe, Owerri, Oru, Nnewi, etc forgot their own origin. Something that is not true of those who crossed the river, but out of shame has continuously refused to accept their Igala origin. Is it not a shame that your Nri is a backrunner to the great Igbo culture that has thrived since centuries? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by ChinenyeN(m): 3:30am On Jun 01, 2020 |
Am I reading this exchange correctly? There are people here trying to make a non-Igbo argument about excavated artifacts? Do people not know how archeology and anthropology work? |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by Shiver99: 5:36am On Jun 01, 2020 |
Wow, I,m so, so proud of Igbos. Their sophisticated egalitarian society upheld hard work, progress and intelligence not nepotism and regression. This allowed specialised skills such as blacksmithing, doctoring and carving to thrive. Just look at the amazing works they were doing, captured in bronze, while some on the other side were still playing with twigs. No wonder I've seen a few odd bunches on this site trying to steal Igbo history for themselves. 2 Likes |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by Shiver99: 5:39am On Jun 01, 2020 |
And if they were already creating metal art which if brought today could be mistaken for the work of machines... Then what were creating centuries, or even millennia before that? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by RedboneSmith(m): 6:31am On Jun 01, 2020 |
JubrilBuhari: I am not from Imo State, you low-IQ imbecílé. 1 Like |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by Nobody: 8:03am On Jun 01, 2020 |
UdechiHD:U didn't add akùlù isuofia. The smallest village in isuofia,Soludo town. Their main occupation then was blacksmith. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by YolobaMuslim: 8:11am On Jun 01, 2020 |
RedboneSmith: Shut up! You are not from Anambra, you're a Yoruba from Oshogbo delving into Anambra matters. Stupid troll. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by RedboneSmith(m): 8:22am On Jun 01, 2020 |
YolobaMuslim: I'm no longer from Imo. I'm now from Oshogbo. Dumbfụck. An Urhobo boy was here yesterday, questioning your heritage, you couldn't say pim because you lack the intelletual ability to do so. You looked on dumb as I fought your fight for you. Olugo na insult, Ị mapụta, makana Ị nụlụ Awka-Orlu that every scholar, geographer and historian and student of demographics knows about. Anụmanụ na-amarọ ife. 4 Likes |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by YolobaMuslim: 9:30am On Jun 01, 2020 |
RedboneSmith: Frustrated hungry kindergarten half-educated historian claiming we Anambra. Awka-Orlu geographer Hunger don turn this street thug at internet attack dog. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by Nobody: 10:22am On Jun 01, 2020 |
RedboneSmith:The reason for his frustration is that his other moniker has been banned. Dude has nothing to offer and like a street goon, he has resulted to insults. No need replying the clown. 2 Likes |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by Nobody: 10:24am On Jun 01, 2020 |
sassysure:You're right. Isuofia is close to Awka, the reason I labelled them under that area. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by RedboneSmith(m): 11:07am On Jun 01, 2020 |
UdechiHD: He's a sad little man. And I'm finished with him. 1 Like |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by darfay: 5:04pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
pazienza: Even Nok culture is said to be that of a lost civilization and there is no proof of being ancestors to middle belters as we know it. The Igbo ukwu bronze work were most likely carried out by a lost civilization who were displaced by Igbo migration into the area. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by Shiver99: 5:54pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
darfay: Haha, keep on dreaming, maybe it'll come true. Btw, which tribe are you? Just out of curiosity. 2 Likes |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by IDENNAA(m): 6:46pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
UdechiHD: Awka, it's related and neighboring towns share culture with Nri and over a long period of time they morphed into a homogeneous culture just like all Omanbala towns. Anambra towns share A homogeneous culture and it will remain so. Nnewi , though with mixed heritage is also Nri cultured town and practice same culture as their Omanbala family. Nsukka also practice Nri cultured but they eat the sacred python and we consider it both disgusting and taboo. Anambra people barely started inter marrying with them. As for Owerri , Oru , Okigwe etc. I could careless what they do down there as long as it's not hurting my culture. The rest of the nonsense you wrote is none of my business. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by IDENNAA(m): 6:49pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
RedboneSmith: The guy misunderstood the message you are trying to convey but I get his frustration. Many southern Igbo are hell bent on tarnishing the glory of our Omanbala identity. This thread has angered a lot of people with Nri roots and some of us are just hot headed. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by IDENNAA(m): 6:53pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
darfay: Oga, what is wrong with you? Those artifacts bear motifs consistent with Anambra groups like the Python , Ichi etc. How do you explain that ? 1 Like |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by darfay: 7:02pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
RedboneSmith: How did the igbos of say the 18th century regressed so so much from their ancestors |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by darfay: 7:05pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
IDENNAA: Pythons have always occupied those areas probably even before humans, so that's not a strong point I don't know what ichi is but even at that igbo migrants might have borrowed it from them @Nowenuse what's your take on this topic bro? |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by Mbataku96(m): 7:18pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
UdechiHD:brother after I saw this and looked into it, I must say you took me by surprise. there is really a chance that the bronzes are older than said. True talk 2 Likes |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by pazienza(m): 7:39pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
darfay: We are not Nok. So whatever happened in Nok stays in Nok. You are irredeemable. All experts who studied Igbo ukwu agreed it's an Igbo civilization, but a bitter frustrated Igbophobic entity on NL thinks otherwise and wants us to take him serious. Igbo ukwu civilization belongs to Ndiigbo. That's all there is about it. Move on. 6 Likes |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by darfay: 7:50pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
pazienza: Baseless igbophillic speculations |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by pazienza(m): 8:12pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
darfay: This one is blinded by the glistening light of the Igbo magnificence. I feel your pain. You wish we were at same strata with your primitive people. No chance 5 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by ChinenyeN(m): 8:25pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
The concept of "cultural continuity" (with respect to the Awka-Orlu axis and the artifacts) seems to be evading darfay. 3 Likes |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by darfay: 8:47pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
ChinenyeN: Cultural continuity you say? The art work suggested that Igbo race of the 8th century were more advanced than those of the 18th century |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by ChinenyeN(m): 9:37pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
darfay: The art suggests a lost bronzesmithing culture group which belonged to the Awka-Orlu cultural complex. 4 Likes |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by letu(m): 11:00pm On Jun 01, 2020 |
UdechiHD:Yes indeed Igbo's has always been good in blacksmithing, here are some pictures Igbo's ingenuity in blacksmithing. First picture : is of double edge sword by Aro blacksmith inwhich it was also a popular type of war sword ( Nma aha) which was common among pre colonial Igbo's of present day Abia and Imo cultural areas. Second and third picture : also belongs to the same cultural areas of Abia And Imo. Fourth picture : belongs to Anioma/Anambara cultural areas that were involved in the Ekumeku war, a war that was fought against British colonialists. 3 Likes
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Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by Nobody: 12:56am On Jun 02, 2020 |
IDENNAA:Omanbala identity is only but a figment of your imagination. It is only on Nairaland that I began hearing such fantasy. Chiefly sponsored by one Odenigbo Aroli, aka Nri fake priest, Idenna etc. Where exactly is this so-called cultural practice happening? The Omanbala identity no one talks about even as far as Aguleri. Why is this useless identity only sponsored by unknown nairaland faceless champions. When does a river identifies a people? It's obvious we have Igala minorities claiming Nri here. Even if this identity is championed by Nzam people, maybe a few slaps will fine tune their heads back to reality. If I didn't tell you that the area you claims as Omanbala cultural influence is my maternal home, would you believe? My own mother is from Awkuzu and that town is like my home. And from my sojourn to Igbariam, Nteje, Otuocha, Enugu-Ukwu, Agukwu-Nri, Agulu, Abba, Abagana, Enugu-Agidi, down to the fringes of Nibo, Nise, and Amawbia, I didn't see, hear or observe any Omanbala trash. Where do you say you're from again Mr Idenna? This Omanbala in question is hardly mentioned in the areas I listed above, to the extent that Agulu lake and Idemili river is more pronounced than it. Even the Nri you're hyping is unknown in Anambra, and need the help of a banner to identify itself. Who goes to Agukwu, to do what exactly? The first time I passed the small village, I didn't know it was the hyped Nri. It was a friend that pointed to an advert, buried under a banner hung in the entrance of the small town titled 'The ancient Kingdom of Nri —cradle of Igbo civilization'. An Nri town with no lands, and whose source of survival is limited in the hands of the Umudiana sorrounding it. Even Agukwu supposed headship is still challenged by other Umueri groups who don't want to be left out of the tourism potentials enjoyed by Nri. Even in as far as Awka nobody gives a crap about dead Nri culture, just as the Abians don't give a crap about dead Aro. Omanbala culture my ass. I guess we need to fix a meeting someday, maybe when I'm in Awkuzu let's settle this discussion for good. I would like to know this so-called Omanbala cultural influence and communities. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by StubbornGENIUS: 1:45am On Jun 02, 2020 |
Omambala community and cultural influences is a HOAX! CASE CLOSED 1 Like |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by IDENNAA(m): 2:09am On Jun 02, 2020 |
UdechiHD: Omanbala culture was coined by me, OdenigboAroli based on group of cultural theme common in the the Omanbala. List of traditions that qualifies a town as Omanbala cultured. Agaba Iduu masquerade Ijele masquerade Igba ndi eze(Abiulor, Akwunechenyi, Ijele) drums Otu Odu/Omu Nze na Ozo and its accessories Style of dance common in the areas...we don't dance with butt shaking with our nobles sitting. Omanbala family of dialects Ufie Egwu ota The Ogidi royal crown Ofala Ikenga Ogwugwu na Udo Mbem/mmaku Ichi Etc. The aforementioned are tradition inherent in the Omanbala culture. You , a non Omanbala dont have these and it sets us apart. You can never merge Anambra and Imo because we arent same. Enugu and Enuani are closer but not Imo, your home state. Even , you hqve evaded telling me your town of origin. Iburo Onye Anambra and you will never be even if you marry one. You will leave this planet as a non Anambra man! Deal withit. |
Re: The Oldest Bronze Artifacts Known In West Africa, The Igboukwu Bronze by IDENNAA(m): 2:14am On Jun 02, 2020 |
Whether Agukwu is little or not doesnt change its place in Igbo and Nigerian history. You comdenm Nri because you have no culture of note to be proud of. Matter of fact , we dont even know where you are from. Mention your home town....No...lol. Dont worry about Umunri problems...create your own culture! |
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