OkCornel:
@ IamMichael - intelligent Christians or intelligent theists you mean?


Just to be sure your topic isn’t misconstrued to imply the Muslims, Traditionalists, Deists etc have a free pass. Well, unless that’s what it is.

IamMichael:


- I'm not a christian, and i don't know what you mean by the word of god(except you are talking about the religious doctrines of christians popularly called Bible).

- Secondly, when you say God, i don't know who you are talking about. Except, from your statement, i am assuming you are talking about the christian god, Yahweh. If that's the case, i suggest you always properly identify it by its rightful name which is Yahweh. It makes it easier to know who you are talking about because I'm not your fellow adherent.

Regards!!!

Eulalia:


So much for the identification but you failed to identify yourself as an atheist to me to help me understand the angle you're coming from and be well guided in my response to you.

Anyways, good day.

Eulalia:



Go ahead. They are not open to much argument though and that is the attitude i believe an intelligent believer and good bible scholar should have.

Try not to argue. And stay within the context of the Word of God.

IamMichael:

Let me show you an example.


- Christians are taught to believe that Satan, demons, angels, Jesus and Yahweh are real from birth.
As the child grows, he's continuosly fed the demon and devil stories, and being told that Satan makes people who worship him rich. The child grows up believing that nonsense. Then one day, he starts thinking money ritual is real, and the rest is history.

What If no-one ever told the child that Satan is real?

The Government uses tax payers money to pay for useless religious pilgrimages for people of same faith. Yet, look at how the whole infrastructure of the country is.

Religious institutions are busy teaching people about God's forgiveness, empowering people to behave as they want, maltreat others and do all sorts of nonsense because at the end of the day, all they have to do is ask God for forgiveness, and everything is settled.

Some of this Religious institutions have necessitated the death of thousands because of certain health practices, endangering the life of its followers, causing people to die because their religious beliefs forbids them from getting proper medical care.

Religion is the number one cause of division in Nigeria. It is always US V THEM, manifested mostly in Elections. Every day in this country, it's Muslim this, Christian that.
A typical christian will hate a Muslim for no reason, and vice Versa.

There is hardly anything without a religious undertone in it in Nigeria.

- Merely knowing that the other person is not of the same faith, creates a predisposed hatred. Goodluck getting a job at a place owned by a religious zealot. [quote]Hateful human hate others because of tribe, religion, party affiliation etc. What's new about that?

[quote]What of in school? Almost every private school is converted to christian religious centre.
I mean, religion is taught in schools to children. Children without capacity to know A from B are being bombarded with religious doctrines from childhood, and being robbed of their own freewill. Something that is against the Law of the Land, seeing as The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. But, no! Children are forced to subscribe to the religion, denied the choice to choose.

Then you hear absurd comments like "I'm just doing it because of God"...

- I don't even want to talk about terrorism, backbiting, and the rest that the churches and mosques create among its supposed adherents.
Even among the christians, divisions everywhere. Among Muslims, divisions everywhere.

- Not to talk of the perpetual ignorance it keeps the people in.

The list is uncountable.

ThothHermes:
Yada yada yada without saying anything.Go right go left. Stay one place abeg. You can't coordinate your thoughts properly and you're calling people unintelligent?? We're talking about Christians right?
Then the child will find out some other way.

The government subsidizes pilgrimage. What is the correlation with underdevelopment. Do they subsidize pilgrimage in North Korea?

You really need to get proper education.
Which institution has said you should treat people anyhow because of forgiveness

Jehovah's Witnesses are a very minute part of the population. How many people do know personally that have died this way?

Humans war over a lot things. Religion is one of them.

IamMichael:
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IamMichael:

We are talking about Nigeria, and he is talking about North Korea... After still stating that we are talking about christians. Is North Korea a Christian country?
Next thing he starts spewing what he doesn't know about North Korea, and start comparing it with Nigeria, citing that North Korea is not a Christian country, yet... And then he will use it to justify whatever junk he has kept...and he thinks he is making a point.

Same person is asking me the correlation between subsidizing pilgrimage and underdevelopment in Nigeria.
This person doesn't know that the million's of dollar's freely given for pilgrimages could have been used to build and equip hundreds of schools adequately and taken out of school children to school, or probably used in some other infrastructural development. This person doesn't know that such scarce resources could have been given to local producers to help boost their business or given to importers who are actually adding something to the economy.

This Same person also said that if no one teaches a child that devil is real, then the child will find out some other way. Do children grow up believing Santa Claus is real as adults?

Same person is the one still telling me that my thoughts are incoherent and that i am ignorant.

No reasoning, no rationality, no sense of logic or logical compartment. Just keep spewing every trash that enters their mind with no filter at all to check if what they're saying is reasonable or not. Almost like you took it upon yourself to prove me right that there is no intelligent christian on Nairaland!!!

No wonder Nigeria is this way.


See what i told you @Dantedasz

psyco:


Okay let's see if we can't he reasonable.

Which part of Christianity is hard for you?

TrajansKong:


Yu nid Chizoss.

IamMichael:

We are talking about Nigeria, and he is talking about North Korea... After still stating that we are talking about christians. Is North Korea a Christian country?
Next thing he starts spewing what he doesn't know about North Korea, and start comparing it with Nigeria, citing that North Korea is not a Christian country, yet... And then he will use it to justify whatever junk he has kept...and he thinks he is making a point.

Same person is asking me the correlation between subsidizing pilgrimage and underdevelopment in Nigeria.
This person doesn't know that the million's of dollar's freely given for pilgrimages could have been used to build and equip hundreds of schools adequately and taken out of school children to school, or probably used in some other infrastructural development. This person doesn't know that such scarce resources could have been given to local producers to help boost their business or given to importers who are actually adding something to the economy.

This Same person also said that if no one teaches a child that devil is real, then the child will find out some other way. Do children grow up believing Santa Claus is real as adults?

Same person is the one still telling me that my thoughts are incoherent and that i am ignorant.

No reasoning, no rationality, no sense of logic or logical compartment. Just keep spewing every trash that enters their mind with no filter at all to check if what they're saying is reasonable or not. Almost like you took it upon yourself to prove me right that there is no intelligent christian on Nairaland!!!

No wonder Nigeria is this way.


See what i told you[b] @Dantedasz[/b]

IamMichael:


I don't understand your question bro. Can you rephrase or help me understand what you mean exactly?

IamMichael:


IAMMICHAEL IS A FREETHINKER with a mission to get all to start thinking rationally, and quit allowing their religious beliefs cloud their sense of reasoning.

tipscogreen:

I'll not waste my time to reason or argue with you because I consider that worthless.
The fact remains, spiritual things can't be understand with human wisdom (science).
How will you understand the history of creation as recorded in the first book of the Bible?
How will you understand the crossing of the red sea. In the second book of the Bible? (which even the historians agreed with)
With your human wisdom, you'll never accept or understand the virgin birth of my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
Christ death, burial and resurrection will sound unbelievable because you'll not find any scientific theory to back that up.

psyco:
What part of Christianity seems difficult for you to believe?

triplechoice:

@Iammichael

In your other thread you said you were once a religious person before you became an atheist

If that is true, then why are you surprised that people you were once like are acting irrationally

I rather you focused on your mission of trying to free their minds from religious indoctrination instead of what you're trying to do now. It doesn't help help you in anyway
Instead it would make your task more difficult.

People will continue to say and do things based on what they know and cannot change until they know better.
This is the truth of the matter and I don't expect you not to know this.

Do the Job you have assigned to yourself without complaining or getting distracted

tipscogreen:

I'll not waste my time to reason or argue with you because I consider that worthless.
The fact remains, spiritual things can't be understand with human wisdom (science).

How will you understand the history of creation as recorded in the first book of the Bible?

How will you understand the crossing of the red sea. In the second book of the Bible? (which even the historians agreed with)

With your human wisdom, you'll never accept or understand the virgin birth of my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.

Christ death, burial and resurrection will sound unbelievable because you'll not find any scientific theory to back that up.

LordReed:
While you raise valid points, I disagree with the topic heading. There are intelligent Christians on NL, that they pervert their intellect to support the unsupportable is a different thing.

IamMichael:


IAMMICHAEL IS A FREETHINKER with a mission to get all to start thinking rationally, and quit allowing their religious beliefs cloud their sense of reasoning.

whitestar01:
Bro, I must say the unacceptable truth; nairaland Christians are the worst set of Christians to say the least, they are mostly hypocritical, deceptive and too emotional about Christianity. It is not that they are not intelligent but they do not believe in Christianity without the aforementioned. They still can't profess their belief without mixing it up with humanistic logic. Hence, don't expect them to counter your opinion but do not think that you are wise because you can't prove your belief beyond questions. If you doubt, prove it. Remember, I have asked you this question before but no rational response.

Jokerman:
The only discuss a Christian owes you is the good news of the Lord Jesus Christ.

IamMichael:

Let me show you an example.


- Christians are taught to believe that Satan, demons, angels, Jesus and Yahweh are real from birth.
As the child grows, he's continuosly fed the demon and devil stories, and being told that Satan makes people who worship him rich. The child grows up believing that nonsense. Then one day, he starts thinking money ritual is real, and the rest is history.
What If no-one ever told the child that Satan is real?

- The Government uses tax payers money to pay for useless religious pilgrimages for people of same faith. Yet, look at how the whole infrastructure of the country is.

- Religious institutions are busy teaching people about God's forgiveness, empowering people to behave as they want, maltreat others and do all sorts of nonsense because at the end of the day, all they have to do is ask God for forgiveness, and everything is settled.

- Some of this Religious institutions have necessitated the death of thousands because of certain health practices, endangering the life of its followers, causing people to die because their religious beliefs forbids them from getting proper medical care.

- Religion is the number one cause of division in Nigeria. It is always US V THEM, manifested mostly in Elections. Every day in this country, it's Muslim this, Christian that.
A typical christian will hate a Muslim for no reason, and vice Versa.
There is hardly anything without a religious undertone in it in Nigeria.

- Merely knowing that the other person is not of the same faith, creates a predisposed hatred. Goodluck getting a job at a place owned by a religious zealot.

- What of in school? Almost every private school is converted to christian religious centre.
I mean, religion is taught in schools to children. Children without capacity to know A from B are being bombarded with religious doctrines from childhood, and being robbed of their own freewill. Something that is against the Law of the Land, seeing as The Constitution guarantees freedom of religion. But, no! Children are forced to subscribe to the religion, denied the choice to choose.

- Then you hear absurd comments like "I'm just doing it because of God"...

- I don't even want to talk about terrorism, backbiting, and the rest that the churches and mosques create among its supposed adherents.
Even among the christians, divisions everywhere. Among Muslims, divisions everywhere.

- Not to talk of the perpetual ignorance it keeps the people in.

The list is uncountable.

IamMichael:

Lol... Not when the good news is false news!

tipscogreen:

I'll not waste my time to reason or argue with you because I consider that worthless.
The fact remains, spiritual things can't be understand with human wisdom (science).
How will you understand the history of creation as recorded in the first book of the Bible?
How will you understand the crossing of the red sea. In the second book of the Bible? (which even the historians agreed with)
With your human wisdom, you'll never accept or understand the virgin birth of my Lord and saviour Jesus Christ.
Christ death, burial and resurrection will sound unbelievable because you'll not find any scientific theory to back that up.

ThothHermes:
How does their thinking affect their immediate environment?
The country is this way because of widespread corruption and bad governance. Not religion.

Italy is a highly religious nation, so is Spain. Why are they developed?
North Korea is almost as bad, if not worse than Nigeria. There is no religion there. So where's the connection

IamMichael:


I actually also found it hard to use the heading because of the above points you raised. However, so far and with everything i have seen, i am yet to be proved wrong.

If you have a better heading though, i don't mind changing it.