shadeyinka:

Happy new year my sister!
...in this same digital world?

ThinkSmarter:

i don't think the universe has a creator.
Because if u say there's a creator.
It will lead to another question: who created the creator and so on...
I think the universe happened by chance.

ThinkSmarter:
i don't think the universe has a creator.
Because if u say there's a creator.
It will lead to another question: who created the creator and so on...
I think the universe happened by chance.
But the high intelligent and beauty being demonstrated by various plants and animal species baffles me.
The beauty of the morning sun, rain after days of dry weather, moon shining by the night, the complexity and brutality of the foodweb\foodchain.
In short, the creation is so amazing for an intelligent human to conclude that a genius/geniuses are behind them.
I don't blame people that believe that there is an intelligent creator.
But having a mental construct of a old man-like figure with grey hair living in space is idolatery.
God=nature=natural forces

ThinkSmarter:

The beauty of the morning sun, rain after days of dry weather, moon shining by the night, the complexity and brutality of the foodweb\foodchain.
In short, the creation is so amazing for an intelligent human to conclude that a genius/geniuses are behind them.

ThinkSmarter:

I don't blame people that believe that there is an intelligent creator.
But having a mental construct of a old man-like figure with grey hair living in space is idolatery.

Anas09:

God bless you sir. It's been awhile.

I hope you know started the Motherless babies home I talked about some time ago?

It's taking my time, so I don't come here often any more.
How is your family sir?

Anas09:

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But the high intelligent and beauty being demonstrated by various plants and animal species baffles me.
Ah, oga, biko no crush your blokosh with a atone for here na.

You mentioned 'Intelligence'. Intelligence? Nothing brought about the universe remember?
And, I hope you know intelligence is an attribute of a being with consciousness?
And, if I may ask, why are you baffled by the beauty of animals and plants.
Or, may be you shd sit down and really ask yourself how chance can bring out so many varieties of flowers of different colors. How chance can bring abt so many different varieties of animals having different adaptations and modes of feeding.
Ask yourself why chance hasn't happen since it happened.

Chance happen and placed laws that guides the universe abi. You try.

The beauty of the morning sun, rain after days of dry weather, moon shining by the night, the complexity and brutality of the foodweb\foodchain.
In short, the creation is so amazing for an intelligent human to conclude that a genius/geniuses are behind them.
Now, this is why I didn't want to respond to you initially. You just said 'Creation', lol. You mean the universe was created then?

So, a genius/intelligent being (God), can't create an intelligent and beauty so baffling to you, but nothingness can?
And you call yourself intelligent human? Wow!


I don't blame people that believe that there is an intelligent creator.
But having a mental construct of a old man-like figure with grey hair living in space is idolatery.
Idolatry? Idolatry against who? Nothingness? Or Chance?

God=nature=natural forces
Smartninker, your thinking here is not smart at all

rhektor:

Beautiful response anas09, it's been a while on here. I hope you are doing great

shadeyinka:

Ill like to see some pictures?
How many children do you have now?
Its a though work o: but the Lord is your strength

shadeyinka:

Ill like to see some pictures?
How many children do you have now?
Its a though work o: but the Lord is your strength

MaxInDHouse:
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Chai see Satan's handiworks o!

The topic of discussion on this thread:

"Could This Be True About Religion?"

The guy is trying to know what people claiming worshipers of God has upstairs (in their brains) about God, and all you can do on the thread is about Watchtower!
Never mind keep throwing what you had away some will collect it and add to their treasures! Matthew 25:29

The last time i told you that you're totally empty there's nothing in your brains apart from what JWs impacted in your life. You said you wanted to preach your Jesus to me.
Now that the opportunity is opened for you to preach what you know about your Jesus you're quoting Watchtower on a thread where the OP really need to know what you've got to say about your God!
What a pity!

So where is the knowledge you've gotten from your so called Jesus? Now that someone truly needs to hear if there's any!



Shame on you and your fake God who has nothing to impact in your head except Politics! Politics!! Politics!!!
Your emptiness is crystal clear to all honest hearted and sincere individuals that you're totally empty without Watchtower!

Anas09:

My dearest. I'm doing very well as the Lord has given me rest round About.
I hope you are fine too?
Go forward, and move upward. That's your place

MaxInDHouse:


I never wanted to chat with you so if you're always criticizing the mouthpiece of my own God it simply means our Gods aren't the same. But you insisting that you're a worshiper of my own God yet criticizing His mouthpiece (GB) simply means you're an INSANE, AṢIÈRÈ, ASÍWÍN
The only way you can bail yourself out of this tag is by telling yourself the truth, you can't continue criticizing my God's mouthpiece then say you're a worshiper of my God.
Quote anything in the Bible as long as it involves you my answer will ever remain NO unless you BOW to whatever the GB says otherwise continue quoting the Bible from now till tomorrow my answer remains that you and i can never be worshipers of the same God!

Myer:


How can you conclude that someone's research is flawed just because you disagree with his conclusion?

Your own personal research at first led you to Islam before you realised it was flawed. Then it led you to JW which other Christians will likewise tell you is flawed.

So everyone do their research. If theres truly a Truth to be reached, we'll eventually get there.

But what constitutes the Truth?
[b]1. It's infallible.
2. It's testable and replicable.
3. It cannot be denied when [/b]confronted/encountered.

charly20:


I think you've searched for reason the same way I am searching.

I understand that every religion is true to it's adherents and false to "outsiders". That means everyone is a pagan and everyone serves the "true God".

But what they all have in common is acknowledgement of a supreme being who is responsible for all of creation.

This is why I do not view the world through the lens of religion but by basic fundamental laws governing the universe which All these "gods" agree to Love of your fellow human and that's the only thing that makes sense.

The universe I believe is guided by basic laws; "what you sow is what you reap", "Do to others what you want done to you" and so many like quotes.

Our minds are caged a bit too tight by the concept of religion as we know it and I think life might be simpler if it is devoid of religious sentiments because religious belief is only cultural.

One love!

rhektor:


Amen, thank you very much


I thank God for your life

Anas09:

What is Love? If you cannot define love, you can never know how to love another human.
So, let's begin with love.

What do you mean by what you sow is what you will reap?

Anas09:


I will send you pics on WhatsApp

charly20:


My dictionary defines love as
[i]"Affectionate, benevolent concern or care for other people or beings, and for their well-being."
[/i]
To which I have no definition of my own to add.

If you treat others right, you sure will be treated right.
If you treat others wrongly, you can't expect to be treated right.

I want to keep it as simple as this.
The person who defines Love as 'an affectionate, benevolence care for someone, does not know what love is. He inadvertantly misunderstood love to only be positive.
But, love is not positive only. There's negative love. That's why I asked you what love is.

You mentioned ' affection, benevolence and care'. These are all fruits produced by positive Love. They are not Love.
Love is an energy which exudes from a man and drives that man to act in a certain way; Good or bad.

Let me explain, just like the life of the sun is in its heat, so also the life of everyman is in his love . Without heat, the sun will just be light, but won't give heat which preserves lives.
Without love, a man dies.
You are given to what you love, good or bad. And, whatever you give into, drives you.

Let me give an example of a negative love which has no affection, benevolence or care in it.
Greed: Greed is the heat (the propeller) of the love for money. Greed propels a man to want more, go for more, get more, steal more, even kill to get more.
A greedy man loves money and getting more of it makes him alive.

A vengeful man loves malice, slander and is very unforgiving. He takes pleasure when he sees others suffer. This individual has anger and that anger drives him to inflict pain on others. Guess his love... Pain.

How can a man who steals from others, denies others their due, enjoys to see people tortured and afflicted with pain be affectionate, benevolent and caring towards other humans?

So, my definition of Love is, anything which is able to move you to do something, or drives you towards a particular direction. Anything that lights you up and gingers you to take any action good or bad.
Love is not the action, love is what makes you take the action.

For God so Loves the world (Sinners), He was propelled, moved, driven to give his only son for man to be rescued from eternal death.
This is an act of love.
And let me add again, that 'the token of a Love is a gift.. And Love is a gift given to those who are undeserving and don't have the capacity to give back.
There's nothing in man to move God to sacrifice his son, but he did anyways.

When you see a man or woman in love, you will get angry at the way they goes about what they do, why? because they are giving to those who are undeserving of their love.

You said all the religions preaches love for humans, so pls mention to me what the gods of these other religions gave in sacrifice to express their love for those that worship them.
Allah. What did he give ?
All the Hindu gods.
Buddha.
'All the African gods, Norse gods. Greek gods, Egyptian gods. Mayan gods, Babylonian gods. ALL OF THEM

charly20:


My dictionary defines love as
[i]"Affectionate, benevolent concern or care for other people or beings, and for their well-being."
[/i]
To which I have no definition of my own to add.

If you treat others right, you sure will be treated right.
If you treat others wrongly, you can't expect to be treated right.

I want to keep it as simple as this.

shadeyinka:

Okay and thanks.
I shall send something to you but not now cause....but lol let you know when I have a little.

Shalom

ThinkSmarter:
U obviously didn't understand me.
I never suggested what u wrote there.
Read again.

Anas09:

Why will you get what you give to others, good or bad?
What is behind that?
That seems to be a law. Is it?
If yes, who or what set that law in motion? Chance? Why wld chance want to pay people for doing good or bad? What is the motive or purpose?

Why does there seems to be intelligence behind that, as there seem to be consequences for treating people badly.

Who is watching over this law to recompense those who adhere to it?

ThinkSmarter:
U obviously didn't understand me.
I never suggested what u wrote there.
Read again.

charly20:



I believe that the universe exists in a dynamic state of balance. For every life taken, there is another born otherwise there would be "overpopulation or underpopulation" in the universe. I believe this is the "law of cause and effect". "For every action, there is equal and opposite reaction".

There is also the " law of compensation". "Which is what you sow is what you reap" . If this law does not exist, then I believe if I plant maize, I would reap rice or if I plant orange, I'll reap guava.

I believe there are several laws guiding the universe.
God has created an ecosystem and every ecosystem is self sustaining otherwise it dies off eventually.

charly20:



I believe that the universe exists in a dynamic state of balance. For every life taken, there is another born otherwise there would be "overpopulation or underpopulation" in the universe. I believe this is the "law of cause and effect". "For every action, there is equal and opposite reaction".

There is also the " law of compensation". "Which is what you sow is what you reap" . If this law does not exist, then I believe if I plant maize, I would reap rice or if I plant orange, I'll reap guava.

I believe there are several laws guiding the universe.
God has created an ecosystem and every ecosystem is self sustaining otherwise it dies off eventually.

charly20:

I believe that the universe exists in a dynamic state of balance.

charly20:

For every life taken, there is another born otherwise there would be "overpopulation or underpopulation" in the universe.

charly20:

I believe this is the "law of cause and effect". "For every action, there is equal and opposite reaction

charly20:

There is also the " law of compensation". [i]"Which is what you sow is what you reap" . If this law does not exist, then I believe if I plant maize, I would reap rice or if I plant orange, I'll reap guava.

charly20:

I believe there are several laws guiding the universe.
God has created an ecosystem and every ecosystem is self sustaining otherwise it dies off eventually.

charly20:

I don't think it would be correct to say that "the person who defined love as "Affectionate, benevolent concern or care for other people or beings, and for their well-being. " does not know what love is because he has defined love from a single perspective and not recognizing that there may be two types of love as you have pointed.

charly20:

I try to maintain the argument away from favouring any religion but you ask "what have the other gods from other cultures given to express their love to those that worship them?" and my answer is LIFE

charly20:

. What has any mortal done to deserve life? As you have also said that love is undeserving.

charly20:

Christians believe God gave Christ to redeem them and give them [b]"eternal life" [/b] which is just about the same thing I have said that all cultures believe in the existence of a supreme being and HE has given ALL LIFE.

HellVictorinho:



Another waste to be disposed

Anas09:

Why will you get what you give to others, good or bad?
What is behind that?
That seems to be a law. Is it?
If yes, who or what set that law in motion? Chance? Why wld chance want to pay people for doing good or bad? What is the motive or purpose?

Why does there seems to be intelligence behind that, as there seem to be consequences for treating people badly.

Who is watching over this law to recompense those who adhere to it?

charly20:

Mr. Anas09, I like that we are trying to engage in an intelligent argument but you seem to project your sentiments into the argument.

charly20:

You have unfortunately made a wrong conclusion that I'm atheist.

charly20:

Matter of fact, I'm as christian as they come but I can't make an objective argument if I'm sentimental.

charly20:

Nowhere in all my preceding arguments have I said there is no Creator.

charly20:

I would continue the argument if we agree to be objective.
Have a good day!

ThinkSmarter:
Christianity = love, understanding, forgiveness, compassion.
The opposite are hate, envy, jealousy lust, unforgiveness.
You don't need to forgive who loves you.
Because who loves you won't hate you, won't envy you, won't hurt you
You can only forgive who hates you.
Forgive your enemy.
Forgive as much as possible (70x7)
I don't believe in the existence of a creator deity in the likeness of an elderly man living in space.
But I believe so many of the teachings of Jesus Christ, Buddha, Mother Theresa, Mahatma Gandhi, Martin Luther King and all men of goodwill.