SapeleGuy:

People, the facts are staring you in the face. They are UNPATRIOTIC. They do not believe in Nigeria.

Ndu_Chucks talked about leaders (we don't have them in Nigeria), I speak about misrulers because the ingredients of leadership such as self sacrifice, creating a common sence of purpose, national pride are all missing.

If I was generous I would also ask us not to disregard the high level of incompetence amongst these so called leaders.

They are incompetent because they are ill-qualified for the positions they hold. A fish can not fly. Simply we are products of a corrupt system. Turnover of Nigerian leaders has been very high since 1999 but there is little to show for it. I think 2/3 of representatives did not return in 2007. That number is going to be about the same this time around. The leaders are not the problem; the people are, including those that are being cheated. Nigerian leaders did not come from another country, they are Nigerians.

SapeleGuy:

Katsumoto, good points. Our people are practising pure feudalism.

Correct, the system that was partially abolished in Europe in the middle ages. I hold you and your family subject to me; in turn you fight for me when I go to war. In Nigeria, they hold you ransome so that you can do their bidding during elections.

Katsumoto:

They are incompetent because they are ill-qualified for the positions they hold. A fish can not fly. Simply we are products of a corrupt system. Turnover of Nigerian leaders has been very high since 1999 but there is little to show for it. I think 2/3 of representatives did not return in 2007. That number is going to be about the same this time around. The leaders are not the problem; the people are, including those that are being cheated. Nigerian leaders did not come from another country, they are Nigerians.

WORD!

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@Sapeleguy, I submit to you people that the said powerful and rulers are Nigerians just like you and are probably of superior intellect than most of you. These people are a reflection of you – why do you continue to allow them to constantly beat you into submission while you respond with internet warriorship or outright escape out of the country?? You guys sound brilliant enough to seize power from them! Don’t give me the old story – they have the money/big guns e.t.c.  Tunisia has taken that argument away from you.

ola olabiy:

It is still corruption and spirit of oppression. Without corruption you would not have enough money to send your kids abroad or attend medical check-ups abroad.

You are soo wrong, bro. You want security while people are sleepless because of hunger bestowed on them by your misrule. Abi?

I think we are on the same page my brother. If we look at this matter dispassionately, corruption is not unique to Nigeria.
These people are unpatriotic they do not have a plan to make the country progress, how can we not have light in this day and age?

Thousands died 'to keep Nigeria 1' but yet they served up Bakassi like a plate of free rice Was there any protest? Imagine if Lagos was surrendered in the same manner.

Corruption is bad. No question about it. But the man is right. All you need do is examine his preferred solution.
He says that "determination" is the greatest asset of any nation, and I think he is spot on!

Take one example.

In Anambra state during the Dr Chris Ngige governorship, no sane Anambra person will swear that Ngige was a saint and did not tamper with state coffers. But the man delivered MANY first rate roads. He delivered, BIG TIME inspite of being hounded by the OBJ backed thugs and being kidnapped. He soldiered on and won the hearts of the people by delivering dividends of democracy.

Take another example.

Nigeria has only performed well in sports competition when we had determined representatives.

I remember one African Champions Cup match between Iwuanyanwu  Nationale and Tonnerre of Cameroon in the late 80s.
The Cameroonians had played a 1-1 draw at Owerri and was boasting that they would destroy the Nigerians in Yaounde.

Guess what, they never knew there was a Nigerian called Friday Ekpo.
The Iwuanyanwu team fought like lions in Yaounde with Ekpo banging in two goals!
The match ended 2-2 and Nigeria qualified on away goal rule.
I bet you that there may have been corruption in selection of players , but luckily, the players were very determined to win.

This also explains why Igbo outperform other groups in Nigeria. Ndigbo hustle and are VERY DETERMINED in pursuit of a goal.

For Nigeria to move forward, she needs to copy the Igbo spirit and not try to suppress it.
It is the ONLY WAY to develop, corruption or not!  

ndu_chucks:

@Sapeleguy & Katsumoto, I submit to you people that the said powerful and rulers are Nigerians just like you and are probably of superior intellect than most of you. These people are a reflection of you – why do you continue to allow them to constantly beat you into submission while you respond with internet warriorship or outright escape out of the country?? You guys sound brilliant enough to seize power from them! Don’t give me the old story – they have the money/big guns e.t.c.  Tunisia has taken that argument away from you.

I disagree; they are not of superior intellect to me. I simply do not want live like they do. There is no price for peace of mind. My objective in life is to be happy and go wherever I can find that happiness; afterall, home is where the heart is. That being said, you can't draw conclusions about me because you do not know who I am. I may be someone who is part of the system but is not happy about it.  

ndu_chucks:

@Sapeleguy & Katsumoto, I submit to you people that the said powerful and rulers are Nigerians just like you and are probably of superior intellect than most of you. These people are a reflection of you – why do you continue to allow them to constantly beat you into submission while you respond with internet warriorship or outright escape out of the country?? You guys sound brilliant enough to seize power from them! Don’t give me the old story – they have the money/big guns e.t.c.  Tunisia has taken that argument away from you.

but nobody wan die   or nigerians do not love nigeria well enough for that sacrifice  

ndu_chucks:

@Sapeleguy & Katsumoto, I submit to you people that the said powerful and rulers are Nigerians just like you and are probably of superior intellect than most of you. These people are a reflection of you – why do you continue to allow them to constantly beat you into submission while you respond with internet warriorship or outright escape out of the country?? You guys sound brilliant enough to seize power from them! Don’t give me the old story – they have the money/big guns e.t.c. Tunisia has taken that argument away from you.

yOU NO SERIOUS OO .

But, seriously o, this is part of the culture problem I raised from the 1st page. Our culture is anti-society.

Do that and the people you have managed to save from a life of misery will make jest of you (even after death) and your family. And, you will not be celebrated.

But, ultimately, the new set of leaders after your sacrifice will do the same thing. E.g, no money was distributed by the AD in SW in 1999.
But, they came in and were not really different from military men before them or politician who gave kickbacks. E.g. Lam Adesina.

^^^^@ Onlytruth
You see what you just did

Tribal chest beating.    .     . you going to regret it!

ndu_chucks:

@Sapeleguy, I submit to you people that the said powerful and rulers are Nigerians just like you and are probably of superior intellect than most of you. These people are a reflection of you – why do you continue to allow them to constantly beat you into submission while you respond with internet warriorship or outright escape out of the country?? You guys sound brilliant enough to seize power from them! Don’t give me the old story – they have the money/big guns e.t.c.  Tunisia has taken that argument away from you.

words!!!!

if no one sacrifice, then the country will never be good,,,,fact

Onlytruth:

Corruption is bad. No question about it. But the man is right. All you need do is examine his preferred solution.
He says that "determination" is the greatest asset of any nation, and I think he is spot on!

Take one example.

In Anambra state during the Dr Chris Ngige governorship, no sane Anambra person will swear that Ngige was a saint and did not tamper with state coffers. But the man delivered MANY first rate roads. He delivered, BIG TIME inspite of being hounded by the OBJ backed thugs and being kidnapped. He soldiered on and won the hearts of the people by delivering dividends of democracy.

Take another example.

Nigeria has only performed well in sports competition when we had determined representatives.

I remember one African Champions Cup match between Iwuanyanwu  Nationale and Tonnerre of Cameroon in the late 80s.
The Cameroonians had played a 1-1 draw at Owerri and was boasting that they would destroy the Nigerians in Yaounde.

Guess what, they never knew there was a Nigerian called Friday Ekpo.
The Iwuanyanwu team fought like lions in Yaounde with Ekpo banging in two goals!
The match ended 2-2 and Nigeria qualified on away goal rule.
I bet you that there may have been corruption in selection of players , but luckily, the players were very determined to win.

This also explains why Igbo outperform other groups in Nigeria. Ndigbo hustle and are VERY DETERMINED in pursuit of a goal.

For Nigeria to move forward, she needs to copy the Igbo spirit and not try to suppress it.
It is the ONLY WAY to develop, corruption or not!  

The discussion has been devoid of tribalism for 7 pages but in your true delusional self, you find a way to introduce Igbo supremacy to it. If it was down to just DETERMINATION, I am sure you could have found a way to leave ,  (I don't want to derail the thread).

ndu_chucks:

@Sapeleguy & Katsumoto, I submit to you people that the said powerful and rulers are Nigerians just like you and are probably of superior intellect than most of you. These people are a reflection of you – why do you continue to allow them to constantly beat you into submission while you respond with internet warriorship or outright escape out of the country?? You guys sound brilliant enough to seize power from them! Don’t give me the old story – they have the money/big guns e.t.c.  Tunisia has taken that argument away from you.

Ol boy e be like say you don turn to renegade. Are we to take it from this that you are now in favour of anarchy and terrorism?
The same type of anarchy that you criticised the Niger Delta for.
Yes you continue to criticise us from your plush Abuja des res. Pot and Kettle spring to mind. Truth be told you never miss an opportunity to defend your leaders.

Posted by: fstranger1

^^^^@ Onlytruth
You see what you just did

Tribal chest beating.    .     . you going to regret it!

I only said the truth and you know I am saying the truth.
Every top country of the world tap into the best of their citizens.
The US has Jews and they have been one of the driving forces of American ingenuity.
The Jews are not suppressed. They are appreciated and nurtured.

Nigeria has Igbo, but they are discriminated against and marginalized.

All Nigerian groups can copy the Igbo spirit, but how do you copy what you vilify?
You have to accept it first.

Katsumoto:

I disagree; they are not of superior intellect to me. I simply do not want live like they do. There is no price for peace of mind. My objective in life is to be happy and go wherever I can find that happiness; afterall, home is where the heart is. That being said, you can't draw conclusions about me because you do not know who I am. I may be someone who is part of the system but is not happy about it.  

but seriously i wonder why most think like these.if most tunisians thought like this what happened there would never have happened.

Katsumoto:

I disagree; they are not of superior intellect to me. I simply do not want live like they do. There is no price for peace of mind. My objective in life is to be happy and go wherever I can find that happiness; afterall, home is where the heart is. That being said, you can't draw conclusions about me because you do not know who I am. I may be someone who is part of the system but is not happy about it.  

This is hogwash

make no mistake about it

The smartest people in Nigeria are the one ruling us. The reason why they  are able to get away with everything.

That does not mean that everyone in government is smarter than the rest of us. But on average, the IQ of our leaders is higher than the average IQ of the citizen. Best believe it.

@Onlytruth is a troll and his comment is also a troll.

Turd!

I don't see why the airheaded comments from Mr Ruhr should elicit much reaction.

We already know our problems in Nigeria and anyone who claims not to know is either a beneficiary of said corruption, or simply being facetious.

Is it at all possible you can take your Igbo agenda to another thread?

We get the memo; Igbos are Jews, etc, etc, are oppressed in Nigeria, etc, etc.

You sound like a song put on repeat

fstranger1:

This is hogwash

make no mistake about it

The smartest people in Nigeria are the one ruling us. The reason why they  are able to get away with everything.

That does not mean that everyone in government is smarter than the rest of us. But on average, the IQ of our leaders is higher than the average IQ of the citizen. Best believe it.

Is superior intellect linked with using thugs and assassins? Or is it linked with being occultic; visiting one shrine or the other? I doubt you truly know what these people do to get power.

asha 80:

but seriously i wonder why most think like these.if most tunisians thought like this what happened there would never have happened.

I like you lot

we think alike

If Americans thought like Katsumoto, where would America be


Those of us that have taken their citizenship test remember  how ordinary Americans inspire themselves to change the country for good.

They did not run. they stood firm

We all remember Patrick Henry and his famous line: Give me freedom or give me death.

He did not say: Give me freedom or i will run away to look for happiness some where else.

It is because of people like Katsumoto that the country would never move forward.

Posted by: Katsumoto

The discussion has been devoid of tribalism [/b]for 7 pages but in your true delusional self, you find a way to introduce Igbo supremacy to it. If it was down to just DETERMINATION, I am sure you could have found a way to leave ,   (I don't want to derail the thread).

You meant that the discussion has been devoid of the truth for 7 pages. Nigeria has been discussing for 43 years since after the war. Notice that the country was developing [b]before the war, but has been stagnant or not developing enough since the war ended.

You keep forgetting that I am a Nigerian like you and I have seen all types of so called discussion
Nigerians can discuss for ever and still not achieve anything because they hate acknowledging a group which can help save the country.

Ok, carry  on discussing.  

eku_bear:

Is it at all possible you can take your Igbo agenda to another thread?

We get the memo; Igbos are Jews, etc, etc, are oppressed in Nigeria, etc, etc.

You sound like a song put on repeat

@posters pls ignore onlytruth  he is one big mumu

Because of this oddball called Onlytruth I am outta this thread. Thanks.

asha 80:

but seriously i wonder why most think like these.if most Tunisians thought like this what happened there would never have happened.

Going on the streets is not the solution in Nigeria; Nigerians require a change of mind-set. Toppling a government through protest and sacrifice will only result in new leaders continuing the same old practices. Afterall, Nigeria has had 7 presidents in the time Ben Ali has been president of Tunisia. Think of all those that have died in various protests since 1977. People have made the ultimate sacrifice but not much as changed.

ola olabiy:

Because of this oddball called Onlytruth I am outta this thread. Thanks.

Just ignore him; I stated what I did because I wanted it to be obvious to him what he is. Let us continue rubbing minds.

@ Onlytruth

Why now? . This was a great topic that I was enjoying before you came!

@Onlytruth: If you can save the country, then you should be able to save yourselves, no? And don't use the gov't oppression excuse; Jews have certainly been a lot more oppressed over history than Igbos have. Yet not only have their own country, but have dominated science and industry wherever they go.

If you cannot achieve victory in Nigeria, then perhaps you overrate your talents.

Anyway, I see why lots of people hate Igbo so much. Lots of talk, no action. Nobody likes a person with an ego who cannot back it up. Always a ready excuse in place for failure, though.

fstranger1:

I like you lot

we think alike

If Americans thought like Katsumoto, where would America be


Those of us that have taken their citizenship test remember  how ordinary Americans inspire themselves to change the country for good.

They did not run. they stood firm

We all remember Patrick Henry and his famous line: Give me freedom or give me death.

He did not say: Give me freedom or i will run away to look for happiness some where else.

It is because of people like Katsumoto that the country would never move forward.

You are very funny; do you know me? You don't even know where I live. It is always convenient for those out of the country to call for war, anarchy, or any other kind of uprising. You are sat comfortably in the US and you are expecting those at home to go on the streets and die.

Stick to the debate; no need to personalise it.

Please ignore OnlyTruth, lets continue with the discussion.

^^



How can you ignore the elephant in the room?
I am ignoring you! lmao. leaves them to continue fooling themselves.