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Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Akanbiogun: 11:51am On Jun 14, 2020
The holy books are so perfect, no man could have written such beautiful piece.
alBHAGDADI:

The number one trending topic in Nigeria today is rape, and it is due to the rape and murder of Uwaila Omozuwa, Barakat Bello and Shomuyiwa Azeezat.

This has led to calls from many who say the best way to prevent rape is to make castration the punishment. While this seems like a good idea, it is not what the law of God issues as punishment for rapists. Is the Bible silent on rape? No. The Bible protects victims and encourages them to speak up and not be shamed.

The Bible gave different scenarios which rape can be said to have occurred or not.

1.) Consensual sex but the lady is betrothed to someone else. Punishment is death for the lady and guy.

2.) Sex that is not consensual which is RAPE. Punishment is death for the guy, blamelessness for the lady.

3.) Consensual sex with a lady that is NOT betrothed to someone else. Punishment is marriage with no divorce.


The first involves the lady not crying out when she knew she could get help.

Deutoronomy 22:23-24
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

The first instance can't be classified as rape because it happened in a place where the woman could have easily gotten help if she had cried. Her failure to do so shows she consented to the act. You must ask "why did God say they should be stoned to death if it was consensual?". They are to be stoned to death because the lady has been betrothed to another man and is considered is wife. So, guys be careful how you go about sleeping with people's fiancee. The judgement is death. Luckily for you, Nigeria doesn't regard God's laws. Sadly for you, God could kill you himself.

Deutoronomy 22:25-27
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

This second scenario is a clear sign of rape. The man finds her in the field where no one could hear the lady cry for help. The Bible says he forced her, which shows she didn't consent to it. This is rape and the Bible equates the sin to murder. The punishment is death, not castration. As for the lady, she won't face any punishment.


Deutoronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

This third case is consensual sex because they were found, not that she cried out for help. It is similar to a guy and a lady dating and having sex in secret to avoid the judgement of a sane society. If they are found, the man must married the lady whom he met a virgin. He must pay her bride price and must never divorce her. What if she wasn't a virgin? That case is fornication.

So, guys stays away from the bandwagon calling for the castration of rapists. That is against God's law which says rapists should be killed after thorough investigation is done.

Many who scream for castration of rapists are also guilty of death, for they cheat on their fiance, wife, husband which in God's eyes is punishable by death. That's being a hypocritical judge.

Matthew 7:2
“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

One more thing.

Many today will say the clothes a lady wears have nothing to do with her getting raped. I can already sense a good sum of them already slamming me a rapists for what I'm about to say.

The truth is, everything we do has a consequence, whether we agree or not. When ladies are told to avoid dressing seductively, it is actually for their own protection. Dressing decently and avoiding getting caught in dark, lonely or dangerous places are ways to avoid rape. It is only a fool that will say clothes or dress code should never lead to rape. That is similar to saying there are no longer evil people in this world.

There are evil people who are demon possessed. They don't reason like the many sane guys who can control themselves. A little show of the thighs by a lady can trigger that demon in them towards rape. Guess what? It is not only demon possessed people that rape. Even guys who think they are sane do fall into temptation. So why as a lady do you go about tempting guys and expecting a different result?

Why don't go buy a 65 inch 4K Smart TV and put it at a junction like Oshodi in Lagos. Leave it there and see if you will meet it there the following morning. Guess what? It might not be stolen by confirmed thieves. It could be stolen by someone that has never stolen before but got tempted by the package. So, why do ladies think leaving themselves in the open doesn't have consequence? Oh, you want to live however you want with no consequence?

A bank with armed security guards and cyber security still gets robbed by cyber and armed robbers. Do you think it is only cyber and armed robbers that will rob a bank with its vault at its car park with no security? People that have never stolen before will join in when they see money flying in the air.

When people tell you to dress recently which the Bible also says, it is actually for your own good and others. Don't listen to those celebrities saying otherwise. They are part of the problem. Their business promotes indecency, so they are angry that people are speaking against indecency.

The diva singer who dances unclad in her movies and music videos goes home with millions and under the protection of bodyguards. The females that get influenced by her actions live in notorious neighborhoods where the guys wake up to smoke weed and drink adulterated alcohol which they did before going to bed under the bridge where they sleep. How safe do you think you will be walking pass that quite bridge at night especially when dressed seductively? You might be dressed like a masquerade and still get rape right there. That's why the Bible says to avoid fields i.e lonely places.

Give wisdom a chance and the foolishness that comes with emotions will flee.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by tunary(m): 11:51am On Jun 14, 2020
lonelydora:
Honestly, with what is happening in Nigeria/Africa these days, Sodom and Gomorrah are far better than us.


In fact, if God doesn't destroy Nigeria like Sodom and Gomorrah, He ma need to apologize to them.
God knows precisely everything that is to happen in the future, Almighty God knows everything,,, when he was destroying Sodom and Gomorrah he knows that things like this will happen in Nigeria//Africa and the entire world, God knows exactly what will happen in Nigeria in 50 years time. God knows everything SO,,,,,, God does not make mistake. for God to apologize to humans, IMPOSSIBLE

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Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by masterP042(m): 11:52am On Jun 14, 2020
abmarine:


The Bible was not written by a carnal man like you who always believed his existence on earth is by his actions, efforts and strength but rather it was written by the inspiration of God.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
*2 Timothy 3:16‭-‬17 KJV*
The same Bible tells u all these abi?
Oga use your head.. U can research personally about the origin of the Bible, na human beings write am, some edited it later in the years to suit their agenda, some translated it to other languages. Read about king James. emperor Nero, council of Nicea etc.
The bible is full of contradictions and discrepancies. It doesn't add to any new knowledge in terms of science or technology. It's full of imaginary beings like dragons, unicorns, talking donkey, talking serpent, and many other magical acts that don't happen in real life. Not to talk about false promises and hopes it gives people. Read the Bible without sentiments, and you'll see these things I'm saying

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Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by masterP042(m): 11:59am On Jun 14, 2020
Mrpojj:


So you thinks 50 shekels of silver na Pat on the back abi
50 shekels of silver is about 570 grams of silver, that about $450, so if someone rapes your virgin daughter or sister, that's enough compensation right? Infact him paying that makes him entitled to marry her too.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Aaronbee7(m): 12:00pm On Jun 14, 2020
Well said. Moreso, aside fulfilling the law by redeeming us from the law of sin and death, Jesus taught us how to live as partakers of the new covenant by asking us to emulate his kind of love towards one another (John 15:12,13), a level of love that could make you die for another person. He went further to answer a scholar's question on what the greatest commandment is (Mathew 22:35-40) by stating that we should love God with ALL our heart, soul and mind and then loving our neighbors the way we love ourselves. He concluded that all other laws are summed up in these two.
I'm quoting the above scriptures to make it clear that Jesus abolishing the old law does not permit sinfulness or crime against humanity but rather pointing us to a sinless/crimeless life. For if we love God we would keep all His commandments and if we love one another genuinely it will be hard to hurt one another in anyway, be it rape or any form of abuse on another. That being said, whoever is found guilty of the law of the land will still have to face the consequences even if they receive forgiveness from God
larj:
Huhm. Under the New Covenant sir. God doesn't prescribe killing of the victim. As seen in John 8. The law in the old covenant was made to make people realize their sins. A lot of the Bible heroes did break some of this offence and didn't die. A perfect example was David. The goal of the law was to convict people of their sins. Under the New Covenant there's room for repentance, the consequence of sin may not be avoided sometimes to the body and soul. The spirit of a born again christain is perfect. We have laws that persecute offenders and give them room to repent. We don't go about killing everyone under the New Covenant if they commit sin. I hate rape, killing and any form of stealing or robbery, but in truth like all sin the right punishment and room for repentance has to be given when they're caught. The punishment is up to the law, repentance and reformation is up to them.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Openbusiness: 12:00pm On Jun 14, 2020
alBHAGDADI:


You still don't understand.

Jesus Christ out a stop to the dependence on the law as a means to heaven because he's the only way to heaven. He didn't say the law can now be broken. No, it only means obeying it can't get you to heaven. It can only give you peace here on Earth and reward in heaven, not the key to heaven.

You don't understand the finished works of Christ either, if you did, you won't be talking like this. Jesus on earth, said, I must work the works of him that sent me... So, he was a man on a mission, with specific set of goals to fulfill. Question is, did he finish the mission, did he accomplish ALL his goals or just some? Well, he told us himself with his dying breath, IT IS FINISHED! So he fulfilled his ENTIRE mission. Part of that mission was to fulfill the laws of Moses. In fulfilling those laws, (born without sin, lived without sin and DIED AS SIN itself), he ABOLISHED the Laws of Moses. What does this mean? It means God DOESN'T VIEW SIN anymore with the lens of the laws of Moses and the prophets. God DOESN'T INTERPRET sin anymore by the decrees of these commandments. Remember, the Bible calls God a JUDGE, and if this is true, then there must be a Set of Laws for which His Judgments are based, from which he interprets and delivers judgment. Before Christ fulfilled his mission, the laws for which the Great Judge would determine his judgment for sin was the laws of Moses and the prophets. But after Jesus died and rose again, everything changed. The Bible said even the veil of separation in the temple of God, the veil that separated the holy of holies, was torn apart. This was in the natural realm, how much more the glorious things that happened in the spirit realm. But I don't want to digress into that. Before Jesus died, the disciples asked him, which is the greatest commandment? Jesus said, Love your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. After he died and rose again, before he ascended, he appeared to them and said, [NIV Matthew 28:19 - 20] 19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” He told his disciples to teach everyone everywhere his commandments, not the commandments of Moses and the prophets. So Jesus brought his own commandments to the table and "removed the old ones", removed because the commandments of Jesus are now the lens through which God the Judge views what is sin and what is not sin, it is the standard for which God the Judge will judge everything and everyone. What did Jesus say about the woman that committed adultery, whose case was brought before him, according to Moses' laws, she was to be stoned to death. Did Jesus judge her according to this? Nope! So stop basing your existence on the laws that have been removed from the table, from the equation of Life, because all those other laws of old will not save you but put you under the condemnation of God. Base your existence on the Laws of Christ, on the commandments of Jesus. That's all I will say. Blessed Sunday to you.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by HoliMaree: 12:02pm On Jun 14, 2020
gaskiyamagana:

This is possible as long as lslam, Jew and Christian recognised Prophet Abraham as Father of Faith.


Ismael wasn't the son of promise. You're a Muslim, focus on your Koran. Don't hold unto a verse in the Bible and claim what it's not. The descendants of Ismael were not the ones Moses spoke to, you are free to read the Bible were genealogies have been fully stated.

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Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by TheSparrow: 12:11pm On Jun 14, 2020
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Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Nobody: 12:15pm On Jun 14, 2020
Openbusiness:


You don't understand the finished works of Christ either, if you did, you won't be talking like this. Jesus on earth, said, I must work the works of him that sent me... So, he was a man on a mission, with specific set of goals to fulfill. Question is, did he finish the mission, did he accomplish ALL his goals or just some? Well, he told us himself with his dying breath, IT IS FINISHED! So he fulfilled his ENTIRE mission. Part of that mission was to fulfill the laws of Moses. In fulfilling those laws, (born without sin, lived without sin and DIED AS SIN itself), he ABOLISHED the Laws of Moses. What does this mean? It means God DOESN'T VIEW SIN anymore with the lens of the laws of Moses and the prophets. God DOESN'T INTERPRET sin anymore by the decrees of these commandments. Remember, the Bible calls God a JUDGE, and if this is true, then there must be a Set of Laws for which His Judgments are based, from which he interprets and delivers judgment. Before Christ fulfilled his mission, the laws for which the Great Judge would determine his judgment for sin was the laws of Moses and the prophets. But after Jesus died and rose again, everything changed. The Bible said even the veil of separation in the temple of God, the veil that separated the holy of holies, was torn apart. This was in the natural realm, how much more the glorious things that happened in the spirit realm. But I don't want to digress into that. Before Jesus died, the disciples asked him, which is the greatest commandment? Jesus said, Love your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. After he died and rose again, before he ascended, he appeared to them and said, [NIV Matthew 28:19 - 20] 19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” He told his disciples to teach everyone everywhere his commandments, not the commandments of Moses and the prophets. So Jesus brought his own commandments to the table and "removed the old ones", removed because the commandments of Jesus are now the lens through which God the Judge views what is sin and what is not sin, it is the standard for which God the Judge will judge everything and everyone. What did Jesus say about the woman that committed adultery, whose case was brought before him, according to Moses' laws, she was to be stoned to death. Did Jesus judge her according to this? Nope! So stop basing your existence on the laws that have been removed from the table, from the equation of Life, because all those other laws of old will not save you but put you under the condemnation of God. Base your existence on the Laws of Christ, on the commandments of Jesus. That's all I will say. Blessed Sunday to you.

Perfect summation. I always wish I have the time to talk on what Grace is here on Nairaland but I simply don't have the space. There are so many errors (both the old age and new age teachings on it)
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Anasko(m): 12:18pm On Jun 14, 2020
alBHAGDADI:


Don't let Muslims fool you by the verse. It doesn't speak of Muhammad the false prophet. Muhammad is not a brethren of the Israelites. Muhammad was an Arab aka mixed people. Israel are pure.

Deutoronomy 18:18
I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

God was speaking of raising a prophet from among the Israelites, not Arabs.
So Prophet Abraham is Israel or Jewish?
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Aaronbee7(m): 12:26pm On Jun 14, 2020
You should do some intense research on the redemptive work of Christ because I see clearly you're quoting the old law which Jesus came to abolish and in that case you're writing against and not for the Word of God.
alBHAGDADI:



[s]Many today will say the clothes a lady wears have nothing to do with her getting raped. I can already sense a good sum of them already slamming me a rapists for what I'm about to say.
[/s]
Reading the other part of your post I can only conclude that you are justifying sinful or criminal acts.
That a lady dresses seductively in front of me doesn't give me the right to abuse her whether I have self control or not. What you call descent dressing may mean something to someone else in another region. For instance, If you're used to living in the northern part of Nigeriafor and you travel to the southern parts you may be tempted to think the girls in the south are indecent because of their way of dressing.
As a Christian your life should be centered around the Word of God, everything we need to live a righteous life is in the word. We should focus our mind on pleasing Him and not get carried away by the lifestyles of others. Paul was aware of the fact that there are temptation and he advised Timothy in 2 Tim. 2:22 to flee youthful lusts: but follow righteousness... Which to me, is the best way to not justify criminality or sin. Next time you're writing a post quoting the Bible you should really leave it within the context of the living Word of God.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by xpool(m): 12:32pm On Jun 14, 2020
masterP042:
This is one of the reason I don't like religious folks, sometimes you guys even lie to defend the bible.
Op how come you used the phrase "force her" in verse 25. But when u got to verse 28, you modified the same phrase to "lay hold on her" , modifying the grammar just to downplay the rape being treated in verse 28. It's sad that the bible gives a pat on the back punishment of 50 shekels of silver for a rapist that raped a young virgin, and even proposed that the afflicted girl should marry her abuser..

Sometimes this Bible make some of us not to use our common sense.. How does sex between two consenting adults result to them being stoned to death. You reason am
Let's use our head o, and think for ourselves, that Bible na human being like u write am, edit am and print am. Make u no dey take everything wey dem write for there hook, line and sinker.
Atuolu omalu omalu, mana atulo ofeke ofenye isi n'ohia
BRAIN YOU NO GET, AND YOU WAN ARGUE!
Grammar is your greatest undoing, sorry.
Any way, I can't help you
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Aaronbee7(m): 12:33pm On Jun 14, 2020
Thank you. I hope those thinking the Bible is a confusion will see this.
Openbusiness:


You don't understand the finished works of Christ either, if you did, you won't be talking like this. Jesus on earth, said, I must work the works of him that sent me... So, he was a man on a mission, with specific set of goals to fulfill. Question is, did he finish the mission, did he accomplish ALL his goals or just some? Well, he told us himself with his dying breath, IT IS FINISHED! So he fulfilled his ENTIRE mission. Part of that mission was to fulfill the laws of Moses. In fulfilling those laws, (born without sin, lived without sin and DIED AS SIN itself), he ABOLISHED the Laws of Moses. What does this mean? It means God DOESN'T VIEW SIN anymore with the lens of the laws of Moses and the prophets. God DOESN'T INTERPRET sin anymore by the decrees of these commandments. Remember, the Bible calls God a JUDGE, and if this is true, then there must be a Set of Laws for which His Judgments are based, from which he interprets and delivers judgment. Before Christ fulfilled his mission, the laws for which the Great Judge would determine his judgment for sin was the laws of Moses and the prophets. But after Jesus died and rose again, everything changed. The Bible said even the veil of separation in the temple of God, the veil that separated the holy of holies, was torn apart. This was in the natural realm, how much more the glorious things that happened in the spirit realm. But I don't want to digress into that. Before Jesus died, the disciples asked him, which is the greatest commandment? Jesus said, Love your God with all your heart, soul and mind, and to love your neighbor as yourself. After he died and rose again, before he ascended, he appeared to them and said, [NIV Matthew 28:19 - 20] 19 "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” He told his disciples to teach everyone everywhere his commandments, not the commandments of Moses and the prophets. So Jesus brought his own commandments to the table and "removed the old ones", removed because the commandments of Jesus are now the lens through which God the Judge views what is sin and what is not sin, it is the standard for which God the Judge will judge everything and everyone. What did Jesus say about the woman that committed adultery, whose case was brought before him, according to Moses' laws, she was to be stoned to death. Did Jesus judge her according to this? Nope! So stop basing your existence on the laws that have been removed from the table, from the equation of Life, because all those other laws of old will not save you but put you under the condemnation of God. Base your existence on the Laws of Christ, on the commandments of Jesus. That's all I will say. Blessed Sunday to you.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by TrajansKong: 12:34pm On Jun 14, 2020
masterP042:

I don't have time to argue with you cos you're just trying to justify stone age terrible laws.

This is true.

Because far too many of us actually ARE stone age terrible people.

To them these cruel, bloodthirsty, woman-hating judgements MAKE SENSE shocked shocked grin grin grin
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by TrajansKong: 12:40pm On Jun 14, 2020
elganzar:
I agree with the dressing thing...

Rape is instigated by_ but not limited to dressing...Especially in this generation, that everywhere you look is promoting sex...

It takes the grace and fear of God to keep one's self in check...

You're telling us only the fear of God stops you from raping

You are the perfect stereotype of a depraved, heartless Nigerian Christian.

It is obvious why you need your Magic Book so badly.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by kingxsamz(m): 12:51pm On Jun 14, 2020
bonna4u:

Please no need for the dribble.
NIV: Deuteronomy 22vs 28- If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.
-

He obviously modified that verse so it doesn't come out the way it actually looks.

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Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by kingxsamz(m): 12:52pm On Jun 14, 2020
larj:
Huhm. Under the New Covenant sir. God doesn't prescribe killing of the victim. As seen in John 8. The law in the old covenant was made to make people realize their sins. A lot of the Bible heroes did break some of this offence and didn't die. A perfect example was David. The goal of the law was to convict people of their sins. Under the New Covenant there's room for repentance, the consequence of sin may not be avoided sometimes to the body and soul. The spirit of a born again christain is perfect. We have laws that persecute offenders and give them room to repent. We don't go about killing everyone under the New Covenant if they commit sin. I hate rape, killing and any form of stealing or robbery, but in truth like all sin the right punishment and room for repentance has to be given when they're caught. The punishment is up to the law, repentance and reformation is up to them.

So your god changed?

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Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by TrajansKong: 12:55pm On Jun 14, 2020
KingRollins01:
Atheist like u will try so hard to twist the truth to deceive the guillible just to justify your deminic claim. The OP was clear in his write up. 28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall
give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.
This third case is consensual sex becaus they were found, not that she cried out for help.
KingRollins01, I have to wonder how you believe what you've just written...

Are you a parent? Of young girls/women?

If so, are you happy for them to live or die under the rules you've endorsed above??
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by deebrain(m): 12:56pm On Jun 14, 2020
Anyhow you look at it, rape has always been a capital offence.

There was always death as a consequence. If not by state laws, the laws of nature itself never pitied the culprit or their generation.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by TrajansKong: 12:58pm On Jun 14, 2020
CHoccolaTE:


The most irritating part of this write up is that OP did not advice men to flee from rape. He is busy focusing on blaming women like a typical male.

Why can he not also add advice to perverted males and tell them to never force a woman no matter how she is dressed because dressing is not invitation to rape no matter how flimsy the dress is.

Tell your fellow men to practise self control and stop seeing women as tools to satisfy their sexual perversions.

You are asking religious fanatics to practice self-control grin grin grin grin

Madam, you are wicked O! grin grin grin
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by IJOBA2: 12:59pm On Jun 14, 2020
gaskiyamagana:

Therefor, existence of Bible without those titles means that MORTAL CAN CHANGE THE WORD OF GOD.
which titles are you talking about
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by BluntTheApostle(m): 1:13pm On Jun 14, 2020
RealMrNigerD:
So many underlying issues are promoting rape. Few of these are:

1. In countries like Nigeria, corruption and the ability to auction justice to bidding offenders is a major one. We need reforms to the justice system on rape. Rapists should be publicly humiliated before serving serious jail time to deter other potential rapists.

Jungle justice has not eliminated armed robbery, so I wonder if public humiliation would do much against rape.

2. Sexual illiteracy: Society is not educating men on their sexuality. This is so wrong and we're losing the potentials of pure masculinity to this. So many wasted male human resources simply because they weren't taught how to bridle their appetite. Now the general consensus is that men today are less masculine and it's largely because of unbridled libido. Nothing takes away from the productivity and masculinity of men more than unbridled libido. Older men need to look out for our younger generation and teach them mastery of their appetites because if not, men will only grow more barbaric. Our sexual appetite can be bridled and we can have our future in our hands and not women's. Forums can be created for this online. In worst case scenarios of sexual miseducation, some young boys are actually somehow made to believe that the woman enjoys rape. Damn!. Pleasing a woman sexually and making her happy is a major joy of sex o ye men and no rapist can ever get this.

I agree with this, and I believe that preventing rape by reorientation is far better than cure (public humiliation) which may do nothing to reduce rape incidents. The police must be reorientated to treat rape with the seriousness it deserves rather than making a mockery of the report of a rape victim. Police officers must be warned against asking stupid, demeaning questions that discourage rape victims from reporting rape. When a rape is reported, questions such as "You no enjoy am?" "Wetin yourself go do for him house" should never cross the lips of a police officer.

3. Govt. should make porn inaccessible as well as censorship of all this explicit movies and even social media(Instagram) "slaying". It's reorienting young males, growing their libido and causing them to be less human and productive in life.

I disagree. What I think government should make inaccessible is violent porn genres, especially child pornography and rape pornography.

4. We also need to reform female fashion because it fosters the situation. Of course ladies' will never understand that having never experienced male physiology. And many also say "It's my body" but it's being brought into public space in the sight of all men. Like it or not, ladies' dressing today is contributing to irregular sexual behaviour of men and rape in particular and the annoying part is that it isn't the ladies guilty of this that may suffer. An innocent lady may end up suffering the effluence of the perverted lusts of males created by the general female behaviour. What people don't get is that it's not about the dressing of just the victim. It's actually about the dressing of every lady that feeds the lust of these perverts and building the momentum until one of the ladies falls victim when the pervert is finally fully demented.
People in Nigeria are hardly even seeing anything. Y'all just come down to western societies and behold the sickening nudity everywhere. This should equally be criminalized.

I agree with this. Women like to claim that they can wear anything they like, but that claim is nonsense. While rape is unjustifiable, indecent dressing is also unjustifiable. Our rights are not limitless.


Of course, someone might bring up Islamic societies where rape is rampant but the problem with Islam is it actually supports rape and places no value on a woman or her body so rape runs free. In Jewish law however referenced in OP, it was both a crime for a woman to dress provocatively as it was for men to rape a woman. It worked. Rape is minimal there.

There is no old religion that really places much value on women and their bodies. The freedom that women enjoy today was never influenced by any old religious belief. Modernization was the only actor.

A good government should maintain some level of control over female fashion for our males' sakes especially for our little boys' futures.

I agree.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by ajl: 1:22pm On Jun 14, 2020
alBHAGDADI:

The number one trending topic in Nigeria today is rape, and it is due to the rape and murder of Uwaila Omozuwa, Barakat Bello and Shomuyiwa Azeezat.

This has led to calls from many who say the best way to prevent rape is to make castration the punishment. While this seems like a good idea, it is not what the law of God issues as punishment for rapists. Is the Bible silent on rape? No. The Bible protects victims and encourages them to speak up and not be shamed.

The Bible gave different scenarios which rape can be said to have occurred or not.

1.) Consensual sex but the lady is betrothed to someone else. Punishment is death for the lady and guy.

2.) Sex that is not consensual which is RAPE. Punishment is death for the guy, blamelessness for the lady.

3.) Consensual sex with a lady that is NOT betrothed to someone else. Punishment is marriage with no divorce.


The first involves the lady not crying out when she knew she could get help.

Deutoronomy 22:23-24
23 If a damsel that is a virgin be betrothed unto an husband, and a man find her in the city, and lie with her;
24 Then ye shall bring them both out unto the gate of that city, and ye shall stone them with stones that they die; the damsel, because she cried not, being in the city; and the man, because he hath humbled his neighbour's wife: so thou shalt put away evil from among you.

The first instance can't be classified as rape because it happened in a place where the woman could have easily gotten help if she had cried. Her failure to do so shows she consented to the act. You must ask "why did God say they should be stoned to death if it was consensual?". They are to be stoned to death because the lady has been betrothed to another man and is considered is wife. So, guys be careful how you go about sleeping with people's fiancee. The judgement is death. Luckily for you, Nigeria doesn't regard God's laws. Sadly for you, God could kill you himself.

Deutoronomy 22:25-27
25 But if a man find a betrothed damsel in the field, and the man force her, and lie with her: then the man only that lay with her shall die.
26 But unto the damsel thou shalt do nothing; there is in the damsel no sin worthy of death: for as when a man riseth against his neighbour, and slayeth him, even so is this matter:
27 For he found her in the field, and the betrothed damsel cried, and there was none to save her.

This second scenario is a clear sign of rape. The man finds her in the field where no one could hear the lady cry for help. The Bible says he forced her, which shows she didn't consent to it. This is rape and the Bible equates the sin to murder. The punishment is death, not castration. As for the lady, she won't face any punishment.


Deutoronomy 22:28-29
28 If a man find a damsel that is a virgin, which is not betrothed, and lay hold on her, and lie with her, and they be found;
29 Then the man that lay with her shall give unto the damsel's father fifty shekels of silver, and she shall be his wife; because he hath humbled her, he may not put her away all his days.

This third case is consensual sex because they were found, not that she cried out for help. It is similar to a guy and a lady dating and having sex in secret to avoid the judgement of a sane society. If they are found, the man must married the lady whom he met a virgin. He must pay her bride price and must never divorce her. What if she wasn't a virgin? That case is fornication.

So, guys stays away from the bandwagon calling for the castration of rapists. That is against God's law which says rapists should be killed after thorough investigation is done.

Many who scream for castration of rapists are also guilty of death, for they cheat on their fiance, wife, husband which in God's eyes is punishable by death. That's being a hypocritical judge.

Matthew 7:2
“For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

One more thing.

Many today will say the clothes a lady wears have nothing to do with her getting raped. I can already sense a good sum of them already slamming me a rapists for what I'm about to say.

The truth is, everything we do has a consequence, whether we agree or not. When ladies are told to avoid dressing seductively, it is actually for their own protection. Dressing decently and avoiding getting caught in dark, lonely or dangerous places are ways to avoid rape. It is only a fool that will say clothes or dress code should never lead to rape. That is similar to saying there are no longer evil people in this world.

There are evil people who are demon possessed. They don't reason like the many sane guys who can control themselves. A little show of the thighs by a lady can trigger that demon in them towards rape. Guess what? It is not only demon possessed people that rape. Even guys who think they are sane do fall into temptation. So why as a lady do you go about tempting guys and expecting a different result?

Why don't go buy a 65 inch 4K Smart TV and put it at a junction like Oshodi in Lagos. Leave it there and see if you will meet it there the following morning. Guess what? It might not be stolen by confirmed thieves. It could be stolen by someone that has never stolen before but got tempted by the package. So, why do ladies think leaving themselves in the open doesn't have consequence? Oh, you want to live however you want with no consequence?

A bank with armed security guards and cyber security still gets robbed by cyber and armed robbers. Do you think it is only cyber and armed robbers that will rob a bank with its vault at its car park with no security? People that have never stolen before will join in when they see money flying in the air.

When people tell you to dress recently which the Bible also says, it is actually for your own good and others. Don't listen to those celebrities saying otherwise. They are part of the problem. Their business promotes indecency, so they are angry that people are speaking against indecency.

The diva singer who dances unclad in her movies and music videos goes home with millions and under the protection of bodyguards. The females that get influenced by her actions live in notorious neighborhoods where the guys wake up to smoke weed and drink adulterated alcohol which they did before going to bed under the bridge where they sleep. How safe do you think you will be walking pass that quite bridge at night especially when dressed seductively? You might be dressed like a masquerade and still get rape right there. That's why the Bible says to avoid fields i.e lonely places.

Give wisdom a chance and the foolishness that comes with emotions will flee.

There is nothing godly for killing a married woman who was raped and perceived to have consented because she did not cry out for help. In fact I don't see anything godly in killing someone for a crime like rape. The only time one deserves to be killed is if a life is taken by one's action. Human beings wrote the Bible and introduced their biases into it during epoch it was written.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by abdulkayus(m): 1:31pm On Jun 14, 2020
RealMrNigerD:
So many underlying issues are promoting rape. Few of these are:

1. In countries like Nigeria, corruption and the ability to auction justice to bidding offenders is a major one. We need reforms to the justice system on rape. Rapists should be publicly humiliated before serving serious jail time to deter other potential rapists.

2. Sexual illiteracy: Society is not educating men on their sexuality. This is so wrong and we're losing the potentials of pure masculinity to this. So many wasted male human resources simply because they weren't taught how to bridle their appetite. Now the general consensus is that men today are less masculine and it's largely because of unbridled libido. Nothing takes away from the productivity and masculinity of men more than unbridled libido. Older men need to look out for our younger generation and teach them mastery of their appetites because if not, men will only grow more barbaric. Our sexual appetite can be bridled and we can have our future in our hands and not women's. Forums can be created for this online. In worst case scenarios of sexual miseducation, some young boys are actually somehow made to believe that the woman enjoys rape. Damn!. Pleasing a woman sexually and making her happy is a major joy of sex o ye men and no rapist can ever get this.

3. Govt. should make porn inaccessible as well as censorship of all this explicit movies and even social media(Instagram) "slaying". It's reorienting young males, growing their libido and causing them to be less human and productive in life.

4. We also need to reform female fashion because it fosters the situation. Of course ladies' will never understand that having never experienced male physiology. And many also say "It's my body" but it's being brought into public space in the sight of all men. Like it or not, ladies' dressing today is contributing to irregular sexual behaviour of men and rape in particular and the annoying part is that it isn't the ladies guilty of this that may suffer. An innocent lady may end up suffering the effluence of the perverted lusts of males created by the general female behaviour. What people don't get is that it's not about the dressing of just the victim. It's actually about the dressing of every lady that feeds the lust of these perverts and building the momentum until one of the ladies falls victim when the pervert is finally fully demented.
People in Nigeria are hardly even seeing anything. Y'all just come down to western societies and behold the sickening nudity everywhere. This should equally be criminalized.
Of course, someone might bring up Islamic societies where rape is rampant but the problem with Islam is it actually supports rape and places no value on a woman or her body so rape runs free. In Jewish law however referenced in OP, it was both a crime for a woman to dress provocatively as it was for men to rape a woman. It worked. Rape is minimal there.
A good government should maintain some level of control over female fashion for our males' sakes especially for our little boys' futures.

U are a fool and a bigot for saying Islam support rape, Islam seriously frown on premarital sex and adultery, talk less of rape. U bigots will just be everywhere spreading lies about Islam just fulfill your innate hatred toward Islam.
Be responsible pls.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Zooposki(f): 1:35pm On Jun 14, 2020
SenecaTheYonger:


What you said about virgin is not correct. A virgin is a virgin

Bible definition is different from English/dictionary definition. You should study your bible more. Bible was translated from Hebrew. The different Hebrew terms have different definitions.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Zooposki(f): 1:36pm On Jun 14, 2020
scarwiz:
virgin was virgin ,they didn't have sex before marriage then(which is God's plan)

Bible definition is different from English/Dictionary definition. You should study your bible more. The Bible was translated from Hebrew. The different Hebrew words have different meanings.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by SenecaTheYonger: 1:38pm On Jun 14, 2020
Zooposki:


Bible definition is different from English/dictionary definition. You should study your bible more. Bible was translated from Hebrew. The different Hebrew terms have different definitions.

Wrong
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by ahaika23: 1:41pm On Jun 14, 2020
Enter Europe and commit rape because you saw that the ladies are showing their ass let me see you! Why rape is rampant is because we are a lawless country, period!
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by SpaceMarshall: 1:46pm On Jun 14, 2020
Openbusiness:
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Oga you are talking in the rubbish! Christ has abolished fulfilled the Law and the Prophets. The wages of SIN is death, all sin, not just Rape alone. The soul that sinneth shall die, the Good book also says. Going by these, alone, everyone should be killed, not just rapists alone because sin is sin before God. Even that harmless little lie is sin that is punishable by eternal death. But God decided to show mercy, and Jesus paid the full price for all sins. So we don’t live by the laws of Moses any more, but by the Laws of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. So what should be the punishment for rape today? The punishment is jail time, not execution. How long should the jail time be? Well, that's up to the courts and legislature to decide. But if I was to suggest, then I will say, the more violent the rape act, the more repetitive the rape act (for people that enslave others for serial rapes as sex slaves) the longer the jail time. If the rapist murders the rape victim, then it is no longer a rape case only but a murder case and must be tried as such

Good one. Romans 8v2 summarizes it all.
Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by Zooposki(f): 1:49pm On Jun 14, 2020

Re: The Punishment The Bible Prescribes For Rape by SpaceMarshall: 1:49pm On Jun 14, 2020
Openbusiness:
[/s]
Oga you are talking in the rubbish! Christ has abolished fulfilled the Law and the Prophets. The wages of SIN is death, all sin, not just Rape alone. The soul that sinneth shall die, the Good book also says. Going by these, alone, everyone should be killed, not just rapists alone because sin is sin before God. Even that harmless little lie is sin that is punishable by eternal death. But God decided to show mercy, and Jesus paid the full price for all sins. So we don’t live by the laws of Moses any more, but by the Laws of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. So what should be the punishment for rape today? The punishment is jail time, not execution. How long should the jail time be? Well, that's up to the courts and legislature to decide. But if I was to suggest, then I will say, the more violent the rape act, the more repetitive the rape act (for people that enslave others for serial rapes as sex slaves) the longer the jail time. If the rapist murders the rape victim, then it is no longer a rape case only but a murder case and must be tried as such


Good one.Romans 8v2 summarizes it all.

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