SeniorGee:

Oga read the article, the traditional ruler claims to have a title, and the other party does not, although that does not give them the impetus to demolish the structure, so let the govt do due diligence. We wait for the truth pls

Forget any story about title or investigation..where this happened is just about 10 minutes walk to the police headquarters ... what explanation or excuse will the Ghana police come up with?

for armed men to get into a diplomatic property 10pm at night with bulldozer should be condemned in the very strongest terms

Rubbish! do you know whether the guy who pulled down the building has a court order to demolish or not? the land does not belong to the Ghana government. In Ghana, most lands belong to chiefs or individuals. where did you get that nonsense from that it is only the courts that can issue an order to demolish a house in Ghana?

and which apology are you talking about? did you read the letter the Ghana Government wrote? in which part did they apologise? can you quote the apology part to me?

investigations are being made into the matter. why don't you wait for that process to be finished before jumping to conclusions? you will be shocked to know when investigations are concluded that the Nigerian High Commission encroached on the man's property. I know that will be the final outcome.

you think because you are a diplomatic mission gives you a right to act with impunity? the truth will come out. just be patient and stop making noise.

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babytoun:


you are not making sense....

Even for normal person to person land dispute it is only the courts that have authority to issue papers to demolish ...

you seem not to understand how diplomatic engagements work ...the apology from the Ghana authorities is a damage limitation move becuase it is shocking to the diplomatic community in Ghana..

people like you will be quick to condemn systemic racism but support this kind of disrespectful behaviour against a west African neighbour.

where this nonsense happened is just 2 buildings away from the Canadian high commision and less than 10 minutes walk to the police Force headquarters...there is no way the authorities in Ghana did not know about this.

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Torture2020:
Rubbish! do you know whether the guy who pulled down the building has a court order to demolish or not? the land does not belong to the Ghana government. In Ghana, most lands belong to chiefs or individuals. where did you get that nonsense from that it is only the courts that can issue an order to demolish a house in Ghana?

and which apology are you talking about? did you read the letter the Ghana Government wrote? in which part did they apologise? can you quote the apology part to me?

investigations are being made into the matter. why don't you wait for that process to be finished before jumping to conclusions? you will be shocked to know when investigations are concluded that the Nigerian High Commission encroached on the man's property. I know that will be the final outcome.

you think because you are a diplomatic mission gives you a right to act with impunity? the truth will come out. just be patient and stop making noise.

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you are still not making sense..and working too hard to defend this illegality and assault.

you are asking us to wait for the outcome of an investigation while you already KNOW that encroachment by the Nigerian high commision will be established . This is why I have little confidence in any kind of investigation by the Ghanaian govt ...if this act can be done on a property just 10 minutes from the force headquarters ..

In the lengthy explanation of the traditional ruler there was no talk of approaching the courts before you even think of getting a judgement ...his statement seem to suggest that the High commision had a deal with the govt while the land actually belongs to the traditional stool and since invitations to negotiate with them failed they took the laws in their hands and did the "needful.

And if they have court papers to demolish why did they go there by 10pm on Friday with faceless armed men ?

Even traditional lands in Ghana need court approval to bring down structures ..the fact that some illegality has been happening does not make it the law of the land...mind you I stay and work in Accra here ..and this is the position of respected unbiased journalists here in Accra..

The memo from the Ghana government states clearly that the premises of the Nigerian High commision was breached which clearly is against the the articles of the Vienna convention and it is regrettable...whatever conclusions you make of this is your business


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fergie001:

By UN Statute, the diplomatic mission of any Country in another Country is a Sovereign territory of that Country.

What it means is that the US Embassy in Abuja is seen as owned by the USA and will be secured with everything therein.

The said building is on a piece of land which doesn’t belong to the mission and not part of the diplomatic mission.

jrtorrents:


The said building is on a piece of land which doesn’t belong to the mission and not part of the diplomatic mission.

Yes....I read afterwards, that the said land is under contention with the owners.


Thanks for the heads-up.

jrtorrents:


The said building is on a piece of land which doesn’t belong to the mission and not part of the diplomatic mission.

And where did you get this from ?

The Nigerian High commision is a guest of the Government of Ghana and a super guest for that matter as per diplomatic standards..

If any person or traditional ruler has a problem of land ownership with the commision that has to be channelled through the foreign affairs office of the govt of Ghana ...not jumping the gun to come destroy the property with armed men at 10pm ..

The govt of Ghana has to handle this very seriously becuase in a way while it is an insult to Nigeria...it is also an insult to the govt of Ghana that individuals in the country can do this to diplomats without deferring to the it.

In Ghana, political heads are subjects to paramount Authorities when it comes to land issue.

Even the Ghanaian government seeks permission from traditional authorities before building on their lands.

babytoun:


And where did you get this from ?

The Nigerian High commision is a guest of the Government of Ghana and a super guest for that matter as per diplomatic standards..

If any person or traditional ruler has a problem of land ownership with the commision that has to be channelled through the foreign affairs office of the govt of Ghana ...not jumping the gun to come destroy the property with armed men at 10pm ..

The govt of Ghana has to handle this very seriously becuase in a way while it is an insult to Nigeria...it is also an insult to the govt of Ghana that individuals in the country can do this to diplomats without deferring to the it.

According to several rulings from the High Courts in Ghana on land issues where the ownership of the land is not in contention, The traditional Council are in their rights to bulldoze the said property after several warnings and invitations.

The Traditional Council is a custodian of all stool lands

babytoun:
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you are still not making sense..and working too hard to defend this illegality and assault.

you are asking us to wait for the outcome of an investigation while you already KNOW that encroachment by the Nigerian high commision will be established . This is why I have little confidence in any kind of investigation by the Ghanaian govt ...if this act can be done on a property just 10 minutes from the force headquarters ..

In the lengthy explanation of the traditional ruler there was no talk of approaching the courts before you even think of getting a judgement ...his statement seem to suggest that the High commision had a deal with the govt while the land actually belongs to the traditional stool and since invitations to negotiate with them failed they took the laws in their hands and did the "needful.

And if they have court papers to demolish why did they go there by 10pm on Friday with faceless armed men ?

Even traditional lands in Ghana need court approval to bring down structures ..the fact that some illegality has been happening does not make it the law of the land...mind you I stay and work in Accra here ..and this is the position of respected unbiased journalists here in Accra..

The memo from the Ghana government states clearly that the premises of the Nigerian High commision was breached which clearly is against the the articles of the Vienna convention and it is regrettable...whatever conclusions you make of this is your business


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Just30:
In Ghana, political heads are subjects to paramount Authorities when it comes to land issue.

Even the Ghanaian government seeks permission from traditional authorities before building on their lands.

Ghana govt statutorily owns 20% of all lands in Ghana

you are missing the point...even if what you are saying is true ...my question is what is the procedure for seeking redress if there is land ownership dispute with a diplomatic mission?

If there is any problem at all with the said land it should be between the govt of Ghana and the traditional ruler ...Nigerian High commision will not just start building on a piece of land without the Govt of Ghana giving it's consent ...



Are we saying the building was being erected without permit ?

And Paramount Authorities own as much as 60% while the remaining 20% are family lands.

The said land in question is a stool land and has not been acquired by the High Commission, so i wonder why they will go and build on it.


1. The land ownership is not in dispute, because the ownership is strictly not in dispute, the procedure for addressing that is usually a warning and an invitation by the stool after which they can go ahead and demolish if the person has not been on the said land for more than 5 years.

The diplomatic mission sits on a different parcel of land and their diplomatic cover does not extend to the land in question because it is not part of the original land given to them by the Ghanaian government under signatory by the same traditional council.


2. It cannot be between the government of Ghana and the Traditional Council because the government of Ghana has already done it part with the traditional council and given the Nigerian High Commission a huge land. Any other acquisition that the Commission need to make after that is strictly between them and the owners of the land. OR the commission could have asked for help from the Ghanaian Government to reach out to the Osu Traditional Council if it wanted to acquire the land in question since, according to the Vienna Convention, A diplomatic mission can only acquire additional residency with the permission of the host country.

babytoun:


Ghana govt statutorily owns 20% of all lands in Ghana

you are missing the point...even if what you are saying is true ...my question is what is the procedure for seeking redress if there is land ownership dispute with a diplomatic mission?

If there is any problem at all with the said land it should be between the govt of Ghana and the traditional ruler ...Nigerian High commision will not just start building on a piece of land without the Govt of Ghana giving it's consent ...



Are we saying the building was being erected without permit ?

I can say yes, the building was being erected without permit because, to be issued a permit, You have to show ownership of the land with documents from Lands Commission.
And there is no ownership record by the commission of the said parcel of land at the lands commission in Accra.

babytoun:


Ghana govt statutorily owns 20% of all lands in Ghana

you are missing the point...even if what you are saying is true ...my question is what is the procedure for seeking redress if there is land ownership dispute with a diplomatic mission?

If there is any problem at all with the said land it should be between the govt of Ghana and the traditional ruler ...Nigerian High commision will not just start building on a piece of land without the Govt of Ghana giving it's consent ...



Are we saying the building was being erected without permit ?

Just30:
And Paramount Authorities own as much as 60% while the remaining 20% are family lands.

The said land in question is a stool land and has not been acquired by the High Commission, so i wonder why they will go and build on it.


1. The land ownership is not in dispute, because the ownership is strictly not in dispute, the procedure for addressing that is usually a warning and an invitation by the stool after which they can go ahead and demolish if the person has not been on the said land for more than 5 years.

The diplomatic mission sits on a different parcel of land and their diplomatic cover does not extend to the land in question because it is not part of the original land given to them by the Ghanaian government under signatory by the same traditional council.


2. It cannot be between the government of Ghana and the Traditional Council because the government of Ghana has already done it part with the traditional council and given the Nigerian High Commission a huge land. Any other acquisition that the Commission need to make after that is strictly between them and the owners of the land. OR the commission could have asked for help from the Ghanaian Government to reach out to the Osu Traditional Council if it wanted to acquire the land in question since, according to the Vienna Convention, A diplomatic mission can only acquire additional residency with the permission of the host country.

Let me ask you clearly was the premises of the Nigerian High commision breached ?

No the premise of the Nigerian High commission was not breached since their premise is well defined by the land boundaries recognised by law as theirs by Ghanaian law and under the Vienna Convention.

The new property is not in the boundary of the Vienna Convention

babytoun:



Let me ask you clearly was the premises of the Nigerian High commision breached ?

Just30:
No the premise of the Nigerian High commission was not breached since their premise is well defined by the land boundaries recognised by law as theirs by Ghanaian law and under the Vienna Convention.

The new property is not in the boundary of the Vienna Convention

you make me laugh....

Let's wait for whatever investigations they promised to do

Those are the facts

Lets wait for the investigation then

babytoun:


you make me laugh....

Let's wait for whatever investigations they promised to do

Just30:
Those are the facts

Lets wait for the investigation then

oga you are working very hard to twist this and it won't work ..

I was listening to cityfm yesterday and they clearly stated the articles of diplomacy that have been breached ..


if there was any problem with the land the chief should have deferred to the govt of Ghana to handle the matter...if it was legal demolition it should have been done in broad daylight with visible police protection ..not armed faceless men at night..

Can a chief in Ghana pull down govt structure even if there is a dispute without consequences?


Don't come here twisting simple logic...the memo from the foreign ministry is a damage limitation measure becuase this action has caused to serious shock in the diplomatic community in Ghana ...

No one is twisting anything

we are just correcting the false narration you guys are putting up there.


simple question, Was the Nigerian Embassy demolished?
Was the Nigeria Embassy premise entered into?

The Chiefs cant go to the government since the government was not the owner of the land and wasn't the encroacher.

They went to the Nigerian Government and told them to stop encroaching on their lands on several occasions.
As a government of Nigeria, what would you do when such letters are written to you concerning illegality?


Yes, a chief can pull down the Government of Ghana property when it encroaches on their land and the government of Ghana will have no say because the land does not belong to the government. Property right

The Ghanaian Government will not even watch for it to get that far and they will resolve it and make payment for the property.

Why didn't the Nigerian Government go to the Chiefs to resolve it on several occasions that they were written to?
why did they watch for it to get this far?

babytoun:


oga you are working very hard to twist this and it won't work ..

I was listening to cityfm yesterday and they clearly stated the articles of diplomacy that have been breached ..


if there was any problem with the land the chief should have deferred to the govt of Ghana to handle the matter...if it was legal demolition it should have been done in broad daylight with visible police protection ..not armed faceless men at night..

Can a chief in Ghana pull-down govt structure even if there is a dispute without consequences?


Don't come here twisting simple logic...the memo from the foreign ministry is a damage limitation measure becuase this action has caused to serious shock in the diplomatic community in Ghana ...