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Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by ReactJs(m): 10:56am On Jun 28, 2020
So I’ve been noticing a trend lately. Mostly from insecure CS guys that always look for opportunities to talk down on programmers that didn’t go through the conventional route of getting a CS degree.

Make no mistake, a CS degree is not a joke and should not be treated as such. Having said that, the world is moving past the whole certification oriented way of employment.

I just read a news on CNBC that Donald trump wants to sign an order that favors skilled workers over newly college graduates.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/06/26/why-we-need-new-trump-executive-order-on-no-college-jobs-hiring.html

I am not a CS graduate and almost all of my friends that I’ve met in this programming journey. We worked really hard to get where we are and although there’s still so much to do but we’ve been able to come this far without a CS degree.

My advice to all CS graduates is this, your employer wants and needs depth. Stick to one aspect of CS and master it. The world has changed! Seriously it has!

We that learnt everything we know today by ourselves and are doing well are a proof that the world has changed! Don’t get left behind.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 11:02am On Jun 28, 2020
For all those learning and advertising python to wannabe programmers, stop wasting your time.

If you don't have good mathematics background or love for data,you will fail big time.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by ReactJs(m): 11:09am On Jun 28, 2020
sexylassie2:
For all those learning and advertising python to wannabe programmers, stop wasting your time.

If you don't have good mathematics background or love for data,you will fail big time.

If there’s anything I’ve learnt so far, is has to be that you just have to have genuine love for this programming of a thing. If you’re going into it just because everyone is, it will end in tears

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by tensazangetsu20(m): 11:31am On Jun 28, 2020
sexylassie2:
For all those learning and advertising python to wannabe programmers, stop wasting your time.

If you don't have good mathematics background or love for data,you will fail big time.
Mathematics can be learnt o. Don't discourage anyone. Most people have really bad mathematics backgrounds because of the rubbish teachers we had in secondary schools in Nigeria. There are a lot of online courses and sites that teach mathematics really well.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by Taofeekdboy(m): 11:42am On Jun 28, 2020
sexylassie2:
For all those learning and advertising python to wannabe programmers, stop wasting your time.

If you don't have good mathematics background or love for data,you will fail big time.
Fine, basic mathematics is required for some basic functions, if you are going to web development, you don't need much of mathematics, unless you mean data science, then I won't advise anyone to go there because seeing numpy, Scikit-learn and regressions will make you go crazy. Game development as well requires knowledge of mathematics.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 12:39pm On Jun 28, 2020
Taofeekdboy:
Fine, basic mathematics is required for some basic functions, if you are going to web development, you don't need much of mathematics, unless you mean data science, then I won't advise anyone to go there because seeing numpy, Scikit-learn and regressions will make you go crazy. Game development as well requires knowledge of mathematics.

Mathematics and logic is needed for all web development.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 12:40pm On Jun 28, 2020
ReactJs:


If there’s anything I’ve learnt so far, is has to be that you just have to have genuine love for this programming of a thing. If you’re going into it just because everyone is, it will end in tears

Exactly.
Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by peterangelo(m): 4:28pm On Jun 28, 2020
sexylassie2:
For all those learning and advertising python to wannabe programmers, stop wasting your time.

If you don't have good mathematics background or love for data,you will fail big time.
maths kwa

Bruh u suck if u still have the mentality of math in ur brain u really need deliverance.


Math is not really necessary just small

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by peterangelo(m): 4:30pm On Jun 28, 2020
tensazangetsu20:

Mathematics can be learnt o. Don't discourage anyone. Most people have really bad mathematics backgrounds because of the rubbish teachers we had in secondary schools in Nigeria. There are a lot of online courses and sites that teach mathematics really well.
math is not hard 4me oooo


I have a chum DAT knw math very well but no programming ex
Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by peterangelo(m): 4:31pm On Jun 28, 2020
sexylassie2:


Mathematics and logic is needed for all web development.
now u r talkin

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by peterangelo(m): 4:33pm On Jun 28, 2020
If u like programming just go 4 it


Don't listen to anybody trying to discourage u

Because they knw if u mk it dere is a lot of money await u.


They will want to bring u down.

I no no body knows it all keep learn n practising b4 u knw it


U will b good

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by crownedrookie(m): 11:56pm On Jun 28, 2020
sexylassie2:


Mathematics and logic is needed for all web development.

Very untrue. Yes it gives you an edge. Not a big one and just about 15% of the time. You can be poor at math and succeed in web dev as long as you know your lane and master your chosen tools. This is chronic gatekeeping

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 12:04am On Jun 29, 2020
crownedrookie:


Very untrue. Yes it gives you an edge. Not a big one and just about 15% of the time. You can be poor at math and succeed in web dev as long as you know your lane and master your chosen tools. This is chronic gatekeeping

go check anywhere, the best programmers are good in mathematical logic

there is a reason CS is filled with advanced maths

also, there is a reason, the west and eastern europe have good programmers, strong priority in STEM

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by crownedrookie(m): 12:06am On Jun 29, 2020
sexylassie2:


go check anywhere, the best programmers are good in mathematical logic

there is a reason CS is filled with advanced maths

also, there is a reason, the west and eastern europe have good programmers, strong priority in STEM
Dude you said WEB DEVELOPMENT. I repeat, you can be absolutely fine at WEB DEVELOPMENT and shitty in STEM.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by Ayemileto(m): 12:54am On Jun 29, 2020
crownedrookie:

Dude you said WEB DEVELOPMENT. I repeat, you can be absolutely fine at WEB DEVELOPMENT and shitty in STEM.

Don't mind him or her jare.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by Ayemileto(m): 1:00am On Jun 29, 2020
I saw the earlier thread sha, and that's where I got to understand that CSC is more broad than I probably think.

But I think what make most people boast is the way CSC graduates carry themselves. This applies mostly to the female ones.

Most of those CSC ladies don't actually know anything in the course.

Ask them about networking, Programming, Hardware- they don't know.

Most of them, just like all other courses in our higher institution, are only reading to pass. They don't have deeper understanding.


And I won't blame them. How can a lecturer finish an 800+ paged slide in less than 2 hrs. It's ridiculous.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 1:05am On Jun 29, 2020
crownedrookie:

Dude you said WEB DEVELOPMENT. I repeat, you can be absolutely fine at WEB DEVELOPMENT and shitty in STEM.

1-I am not a dude
2- when building a site from scratch, you need three people, a designer, a frontend and a backend( designers and frontend don't need maths, any body can learn that) , note: I am not talking about modifying word press templates.
3. My main focus was about building complex system with back end functionalities, maths is very important.
4- countries with stem based curriculum have better programmers than countries without.

I know what I am saying,I am not in programming myself but I work in a security company that have built in house security softwares, all our programmers are all sourced from ukraine and poland the reason is simple because of strong focus on stem.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 1:06am On Jun 29, 2020
Ayemileto:
I saw the earlier thread sha, and that's where I got to understand that CSC is more broad than I probably think.

But I think what make most people boast is the way CSC graduates carry themselves. This applies mostly to the female ones.

Most of those CSC ladies don't actually know anything in the course.

Ask them about networking, Programming, Hardware- they don't know.

Most of them, just like all other courses in our higher institution, are only reading to pass. They don't have deeper understanding.


And I won't blame them. How can a lecturer finish an 800+ paged slide in less than 2 hrs. It's ridiculous.

I still don't understand how gender came to be a topic of discussion.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by tensazangetsu20(m): 8:10am On Jun 29, 2020
sexylassie2:


1-I am not a dude
2- when building a site from scratch, you need three people, a designer, a frontend and a backend( designers and frontend don't need maths, any body can learn that) , note: I am not talking about modifying word press templates.
3. My main focus was about building complex system with back end functionalities, maths is very important.
4- countries with stem based curriculum have better programmers than countries without.

I know what I am saying,I am not in programming myself but I work in a security company that have built in house security softwares, all our programmers are all sourced from ukraine and poland the reason is simple because of strong focus on stem.
Front end also gets a bit rough depending on what you are trying to build. It's not as rosy as people think. But why source from Ukraine when we have good programmers in Nigeria.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 9:48am On Jun 29, 2020
tensazangetsu20:

Front end also gets a bit rough depending on what you are trying to build. It's not as rosy as people think. But why source from Ukraine when we have good programmers in Nigeria.

The pool of good programmers in Nigeria is very few.
Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by tensazangetsu20(m): 9:50am On Jun 29, 2020
sexylassie2:


The pool of good programmers in Nigeria is very few.


How does your company test for programmers?
Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 10:03am On Jun 29, 2020
tensazangetsu20:

How does your company test for programmers?

We don't, we already have a company in Kiev doing that for us. Once in a while, we go there to check on them even though, we see everything what they are doing from Nigeria.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by Lordpeckxy(m): 6:11pm On Jun 29, 2020
Am a computer science graduate and I learnt the hard way my self.!

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by ProfAmaben: 5:58pm On Jul 01, 2020
sexylassie2:


Mathematics and logic is needed for all web development.
Logic is needed not mathematics. Math itself is a subset of logical reasoning.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by hardebayho(m): 9:45pm On Jul 01, 2020
sexylassie2:


We don't, we already have a company in Kiev doing that for us. Once in a while, we go there to check on them even though, we see everything what they are doing from Nigeria.

You talk about the mathematics like it's some sort of requirement for programming. It's not all of programming that requires maths. In fact, I can think of a few. In web development, I can develop a CMS using PHP without having to worry about ANY mathematics whatsoever (unless you're regarding basic arithmetic like addition, subtraction, division and multiplication as mathematics, which, of course every body that attended even primary school already knows). In fact, I've made plenty websites using PHP, and I don't recall using any mathematics of some sort. Let's not be scaring newbies that are trying to learn this stuff with maths jawe. I'm not saying maths is not a good skill to have with your programming knowledge, it's just NOT a requirement. You can do pretty fine in programming even if you don't know maths.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by Karex81(m): 10:13pm On Jul 01, 2020
hardebayho:


You talk about the mathematics like it's some sort of requirement for programming. It's not all of programming that requires maths. In fact, I can think of a few. In web development, I can develop a CMS using PHP without having to worry about ANY mathematics whatsoever (unless you're regarding basic arithmetic like addition, subtraction, division and multiplication as mathematics, which, of course every body that attended even primary school already knows). In fact, I've made plenty websites using PHP, and I don't recall using any mathematics of some sort. Let's not be scaring newbies that are trying to learn this stuff with maths jawe. I'm not saying maths is not a good skill to have with your programming knowledge, it's just NOT a requirement. You can do pretty fine in programming even if you don't know maths.
Programming language like python, c++, c etc
requires good knowledge of maths especially vectors, linear algebra.
I was shocked when i saw vectors from secondary school, used in game programming.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by iLearner: 10:14pm On Jul 01, 2020
ProfAmaben:

Logic is needed not mathematics. Math itself is a subset of logical reasoning.

Lol, I think you meant Logic is a subset of Maths.
Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by ProfAmaben: 10:31pm On Jul 01, 2020
iLearner:


Lol, I think you meant Logic is a subset of Maths.

Well whichever way you choose to look at it is okay. My argument is that people shouldn't be scared of programming due to mathematics. That's my humble submission.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by iLearner: 10:37pm On Jul 01, 2020
ProfAmaben:


Well whichever way you choose to look at it is okay. My argument is that people shouldn't be scared of programming due to mathematics. That's my humble submission.

You're right actually.

But again, I feel people shouldn't just delve into some aspects of programming without some mathematical background. I am a Statistics student and I know how much of advanced Statistics there is in Data Science.
Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by LSarcastic: 10:50pm On Jul 01, 2020
sexylassie2:
For all those learning and advertising python to wannabe programmers, stop wasting your time.

If you don't have good mathematics background or love for data,you will fail big time.

Not really. If you're talking about data science and ML then you're definitely right.

But if you're talking about programming in general, you're dead wrong.
Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 10:56pm On Jul 01, 2020
hardebayho:


You talk about the mathematics like it's some sort of requirement for programming. It's not all of programming that requires maths. In fact, I can think of a few. In web development, I can develop a CMS using PHP without having to worry about ANY mathematics whatsoever (unless you're regarding basic arithmetic like addition, subtraction, division and multiplication as mathematics, which, of course every body that attended even primary school already knows). In fact, I've made plenty websites using PHP, and I don't recall using any mathematics of some sort. Let's not be scaring newbies that are trying to learn this stuff with maths jawe. I'm not saying maths is not a good skill to have with your programming knowledge, it's just NOT a requirement. You can do pretty fine in programming even if you don't know maths.

I really don't want to argue here except maybe you misunderstood what I wrote down.

Advanced Mathematics is very important in programming, you can check the list of countries with the best programmers, mathematics is a strong focus point in their curriculum.

Even in India with their cheap programing labour, mathematics is a top must for you in universities if you want to learn CS.

The more we tell people to learn programing just because you want to make money, the more we bring out quacks.

Programmers are like craftsmen or women, they can make or destroy a project.

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Re: Why Self Taught Programmers Over “Exaggerate”. by sexylassie2(f): 11:04pm On Jul 01, 2020
LSarcastic:


Not really. If you're talking about data science and ML then you're definitely right.

But if you're talking about programming in general, you're dead wrong.

Not true, even curriculum of Cs is filled with advanced mathematics.

Go check the countries with the best programmers, mathematics is a top priority in their curriculum.

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