kingxsamz:


Yeah, thanks.
I now believe in God.

Image123:


Exactly why He has a right to slaughter them. i cannot go and slaughter the 1000chickens in my neighbour's poultry. i can kill ALL the ones in my house right now. Why? They belong to me. That's the simple logic, i expect you to go all emotional now instead of logical.

Dtruthspeaker:


No, I am not!

I have seen Him and met with Him and He is A Very Very Good Person and very Pleasantly Wonderful, Who is Too Much in Everything .

Oh! I Love Him

Dtruthspeaker:


He does exist.

The first Proof is that you are in his house called the World. And your mother too knows that it is not her house

Fucsheetup:
Huh?! And yet when those terrorists strike you Christians call their religion violent? By your logic, men should have the right to murder other men because of god no one has ever seen?

You are a big clown.

Fucsheetup:
This house is called Earth.

Dtruthspeaker:


No you do not! And that is not my intendment.

Edited after realizing my error. Carry on

Joagbaje:

They believe in God . They know there's God they just trying to deny him his title by their rebellion out of whatever got them angry. Loss of nother ,father, failure,struggle etc

Vic2Ree:

kingxsamz:


Yeah... That's what I'm saying.
Your imaginary god is not a good god.

Vic2Ree:

Edited after realizing my error. Carry on

Dtruthspeaker:


Don't sweat it, sweetheart, I Am On Already!

Squillaci:


Who decides what is Good?
How can one call God good or bad?
It doesn't make sense.

Dtruthspeaker:


Good and Evil is Always Always Decided by the Owner of A House or The Judge The Owner Appointed or The Laws The Owner Has Issued.

Dtruthspeaker:


There is no more cognible statement that can be said other than the above, just as after A,B,C to Letter 'Z', no other letter remain to use again.

Squillaci:

Gbam.
If God exists, it would foolish to describe it as good or bad. God would be the determiner of what's right or wrong. So if he decides that genocide is good, then it is good simply because he says so. But God deciding if A is good or bad doesn't address the concept of good or bad is.
To me, Good and bad can only make sense if we see it as a human construct. Something a God would be beyond.

Squillaci:

Gbam.
If God exists, it would foolish to describe it as good or bad. God would be the determiner of what's right or wrong. So if he decides that genocide is good, then it is good simply because he says so. But God deciding if A is good or bad doesn't address the concept of good or bad is.
To me, Good and bad can only make sense if we see it as a human construct. Something a God would be beyond.

Squillaci:


Who decides what is Good?
How can one call God good or bad?
It doesn't make sense.

Dtruthspeaker:


No you do not! And that is not my intendment.

Belief in God is a different thing which you are going to do, all by yourself, for yourself. I would not touch you at all.

Dtruthspeaker:


I do not understand your concept of good and bad.

For me to appreciate your understanding of good and bad, I respectfully ask,

If I gave you a job with a salary of N620k per month, would that be good?

Or if you see kingxams doing kerewa and jiggy-jiggy with your girlfriend/fiancee/wife, would that be bad?

Squillaci:


This definition of good is from human point of view.
It is what is benificial to a man.
But what if the Creator of the universe does not want what would benificial to man. E.g, what if he what he decides for man is war, crime, hunger, pestilence, chaos?
Does that stop him from being the creator of the universe?

Dtruthspeaker:


Do not be offended, for you, does good and beneficial mean the same thing?

Because in my opinion, what is good is Always Beneficial to human but what is beneficial, is not Always good.

That was why I needed to know your standard of measurement of good and bad in the scenarios I raised up.

So please which of these scenarios would be good or bad? Is

A) a job with a salary of N620k per month, good? or

B) another man having sex with your girlfriend/fiancee or wife bad?

OKOATA:
Isiah 45-7
I create the light and make the darkness. I send good times and bad times. I, the LORD, am the one who does these things.
That answers your question but aside natural disasters etc man also contributes to the evil of this world, the person who created gun did that for hunting before man became evil with it, men created bombs, art of warfare etc and its not right to blame God for that. God and man has the same character since we are created in his image and likeness so we should stop blaming God for everything.

kingxsamz:


Yeah... That's what I'm saying.
Your imaginary god is not a good god.

Fucsheetup:
Huh?! And yet when those terrorists strike you Christians call their religion violent? By your logic, men should have the right to murder other men because of god no one has ever seen?

You are a big clown.

Squillaci:

Gbam.
If God exists, it would foolish to describe it as good or bad. God would be the determiner of what's right or wrong. So if he decides that genocide is good, then it is good simply because he says so. But God deciding if A is good or bad doesn't address the question of what good and bad is.
To me, Good and bad can only make sense if we see it as a human construct. Something a God would be beyond.

Dtruthspeaker:


Do not be offended, for you, does good and beneficial mean the same thing?

Because in my opinion, what is good is Always Beneficial to human but what is beneficial, is not Always good.

That was why I needed to know your standard of measurement of good and bad in the scenarios I raised up.

So please which of these scenarios would be good or bad? Is

A) a job with a salary of N620k per month, good? or

B) another man having sex with your girlfriend/fiancee or wife bad?

IMAliyu:

I would personally argue that good is a mode of being, mindset and set of actions that are beneficial to the individual, not only that, but beneficial to those around him, which extends to his community at large and arguably to the whole of humanity. Or at the very least is not actively detrimental to any other person.
"Let one walk alone, committing no sin, with few wishes, like elephants in the forest." (Based on a Buddhist poem) Mamoru Oshii (GITS Innocence

IMAliyu:

Now what is the meaning of the word beneficial used here?
Since we are living creates and the primary characteristic of living things is to survive and to pass on it's information in the form of genes(reproduction) and memes(no not internet memes, more like acquired and accumulated wisdom, knowledge, ideas, skills that kind thing) directly or indirectly. So therefore the meaning of beneficial in this case would be from the biological perspective so, anything which does not interfere with people's ability and choice to do these things and which actively supports it. (In more simpler words, that which does interfere with any individual's life, liberty and pursuit of happiness and does not come at a cost to another.)

IMAliyu:

Using my explanation a salary of N620k is good, because it would mean you can get your essential (survival) needs in life covered (food, water, medicine, shelter) and be able to even help others (family, friends, charity) and pursuit what can make you happy.
And another man having sex with your wife/girlfriend is subject to interpretation based on the condition, but I'm assuming you mean your woman cheats on you with another man, which would be bad because it's a breach of trust and betrayal on her part, which would cause a whole bunch detrimental things that would take me too long to explain why it's bad at the moment.

Dtruthspeaker:


I am lost here, please bear with me, am I interpreting rightly to say that you mean Beneficial means Biological Transfer, hereditary phenomenon, handed down from generation to generation etc and not the Naturally Popular Meaning which means "gainful, profitable, a welcomed increase, additional, Jara?

My apologies! I have deferred comment on this part of the post for later because it is needful that I fully appreciate and comprehend your view before I answer, lest, my answer may cause some unintended offence to you.

Image123:



Hope you didn't mess up your room? Think logically, not emotionally. Are you a closet christain?

IMAliyu:

Ah ok.
I was trying not to fall into the issue of 'moral relativism' here, which is when someone says that "the definition of good and bad is based on a person's culture."
And to make the point that what is good and bad can cut across all cultures and it's origin is inherent in our very nature.
And that when you examine what we consider to normally be beneficial and good in day to day life, you would see that it is what helps satisfy our very nature as living things (it is what helps prolongs our life, it is what makes life better for our children, it is what helps reduce suffering in the world) directly or indirectly.
And I would add it's the reason why anyone can usually easily tell that something is good or bad normally most of the time, without doing any long thinking, because it is instinct.

I hope I did not add more confusion.

No problem.

Dtruthspeaker:


whuuuw! I think you did but I could attempt sorting what you meant.

1) good is individually subjective, you rejected this.

2) good and bad is familiar to everyone, from every culture.

3) good satisfies our natural living, prolongs life, Improves the lives of children and reduces suffering.

4) everyone can immediately determine that which is good or bad, without difficulty.

Can I conclude that this is what you were saying up there?