Your inputs, please. Do you guys think Nigeria would have been better if Nigerians took to the streets like the Egyptians?

That with unity of purpose one can achieve results. When the Christians chose to protect the Moslem's last Friday as they prayed, I was touched that Nigeria can learn that at the end what affects one (hunger, bad roads, corruption) affects all.

Absolutely nothing!

fstranger1:

Absolutely nothing!

for real

I think we learn to stand up in unison against a repressive government!

Princek12:

for real

I think we learn to stand up in unison against a repressive government!

Are you willing to die?

As for me, i am not ready to die, I like it as it is.

No shaking!

WE HAVE LEARNT NOTHING.

fstranger1:

Are you willing to die?

As for me, i am not ready to die, I like it as it is.

No shaking!

NO, I STILL HAVE MY LIFE AND MY WIFE TO ENJOY.

Pornodude:

WE HAVE LEARNT NOTHING.
NO, I STILL HAVE MY LIFE AND MY WIFE TO ENJOY.

You be correct dude

I never sample Virgin, and until I sample 5 virgins (from five different continents, one of them must be white though), I am not ready to die

SO no shaking!

repressive government?

how are you being repressed? you don't even pay taxes LOL

@ OP
Take to the streets for what

Ikengawo:

repressive government?

how are you being repressed? you don't even pay taxes LOL

Ouccchhhh
That was an upper cut(good point though as most Nigerians are fond of complaining out of emotion and not points)

Ikengawo:

repressive government?

how are you being repressed? you don't even pay taxes LOL

You can still be repressed even if you don't pay taxes.

with this kind of thinking

fstranger1:

Are you willing to die?

As for me, i am not ready to die, I like it as it is.

No shaking!

Pornodude:

WE HAVE LEARNT NOTHING.
NO, I STILL HAVE MY LIFE AND MY WIFE TO ENJOY.

fstranger1:

You be correct dude

I never sample Virgin, and until I sample 5 virgins (from five different continents, one of them must be white though), I am not ready to die

SO no shaking!

little wonder why Nigeria is still the way it is today

Princek12:

Your inputs, please. Do you guys think Nigeria would have been better if Nigerians took to the streets like the Egyptians?

Dude the Night is still young and the Wine is still fresh,

The year has just started, lets see how this plays out in
a few months time and then we can weight the pro's and con's
,

right now Nigerians and Black Africans should just sit tight
and watch very carefully what is happening,

This looks to good to be true, "all this people power rising" lets wait
and see,

That if you have a backbone things can change. But if your happy with the way things are because your scared, you'll be trampled on for the rest of your life.

well, so far the blacks [subsahara] have generally not reacted to the north african uprising by following suit.

this could be because a lot of west african countries do not see themselves as having much in common with the north africans, aside from religion.


sudan, however, is one country that straddles both arab and african africa.

east africa also has a heavy historically arab presence.

so, it remains to be seen if this will cool off or not.

I'd rather we learn from South Sudan than Egypt

^^^ What exactly are we learning from South Sudan, a country is yet to show it can survive a year?

Kobojunkie:

^^^ What exactly are we learning from South Sudan, a country that has yet to even survive a year?

I'd rather we learn from them because obviously Nigerian needs to go it's separate ways (I know you're against that).

What could Nigeria possibly learn from Egypt? How to build a pyramid?

Ileke-IdI:

I'd rather we learn from South Sudan than Egypt

I guess she means OLD SUDAN

Ileke-IdI:

I'd rather we learn from them because obviously Nigerian needs to go it's separate ways (I know you're against that).

What could Nigeria possibly learn from Egypt? How to build a pyramid?

I can't tell you exactly what Nigeria can learn since Nigeria in no way(except maybe as an African Country) compares to Egypt. Egypt seems to be saving itself finally from the hands of a dictator. The people have been able to put aside their religious differences in the past couple of weeks, to face a common enemy. God intervened on Nigeria's behalf time and time again, probably because we would never really have done it ourselves. So, I am not certain what we could learn from the Egyptian case, except for how good and far a people united(no matter the differences) can go.

Kobojunkie:

I can't tell you exactly what Nigeria can learn since Nigeria in no way(except maybe as an African Country) compares to Egypt. Egypt seems to be saving itself finally from the hands of a dictator. The people have been able to put aside their religious differences in the past couple of weeks, to face a common enemy. God intervened on Nigeria's behalf time and time again, probably because we would never really have done it ourselves. So, I am not certain what we could learn from the Egyptian case, except for how good and far a people united(no matter the differences) can go.

I guess you're right.

But didnt Nigerian muslims and Christians come together during the "Yar'dua is in his office drinking magarita" saga? I believe both the Christians and the muslims filled out Abuja's streets to protest.

Ileke-IdI:

I guess you're right.

But didnt Nigerian muslims and Christians come together during the "Yar'dua is in his office drinking magarita" saga? I believe both the Christians and the muslims filled out Abuja's streets to protest.

Let us not deceive ourselves thinking that compares to what has been happening in Egypt for more than a week now.

Kobojunkie:

Let us not deceive ourselves thinking that compares to what has been happening in Egypt for more than a week now.

^{chit! Thanks for reminding me, I have a discussion about this tomor. sigh!!}

Anywaz, why not? I'd say Nigeria's situation at that time was worst.  Can you imagine living, not knowing who is leading you or if your leader was dead or still alive? Being tricked by out leaders?

^^^^ why did it take us almost 2 months for that to sink in? Why did it have to take people like Soyinka and the SNG group to wake SOME(not all) Nigerians up to their reality?

Nigerians have done this several times before. Egypt is learning from Nigeria

We had numerous protest during the June 12 election. One of the reason why IBB had to go. He became too unpopular and too risky for the army to support him.

We had numerous demonstration and rallies during Abacha, and fortunately God came to our aid before more blood shed from the dark google General and his cohorts.

We had demonstrated and stopped Obasanjo becoming like Mubarak. When it come to democracy, we have done our own share of fighting for our right.

Kobojunkie:

^^^^ why did it take us almost 2 months for that to sink in? Why did it have to take people like Soyinka and the SNG group to wake SOME(not all) Nigerians up to their reality?

It might have taken Nigerians 2 months, it took Egyptians 30 years to try the first step. Untill they force their dictator out, then we shall say they have reach our 1993 democratic credentials

Kobojunkie:

^^^^ why did it take us almost 2 months for that to sink in? Why did it have to take people like Soyinka and the SNG group to wake SOME(not all) Nigerians up to their reality?

refer to tsiya's response. Although I'm not positive about the "30" years time period.

Because our youths are not as useful as before. Did we really need old generations to wake us up?

And I believe Nigerians didnt used to demand information from their leaders as much as we do now. We're slowly waking up, but not as fast I would like.

There is a problem with the claims you ask me to refer to  . . .

a) The june 12th Protest does not in any way compare to what is happening in Egypt today. IBB was no Mubarak. June 12th was definitely a slap in the face of Nigerians but nothing worse than the fact that Nigerians took the opportunity to turn on themselves as well. People ran for their lives, not from the Army or from Police, but from their neighbors, and friends.

b) During Abacha's time, there were no NUMEROUS demonstration. People were more afraid of their own lives to match. If no be God, na Abacha we for get till today since the man actually ruled with fear.

c) Obasanjo is no Mubarak, and Nigerians were not united in that cause either.

So, Nigerians have never really done what Egypt is doing today. NEVER!!

KoboJunkie,

Honestly, you have to give honour to whom it was due.

1. IBB was exactly like Mubarak only that he was faced with more opposition. The June 12 was worse than what is happening in Egypt. Don't forget, we had a Military President who banned numerous candidates from contesting election (Olu Falae, Adamu Ciroma, Yaradua), organised the election, and then cancelled the election. Nigerians turned against Nigerians because of the tactics employed by the government. The government was using the people to turn against each other.

2. During Abacha there were many many demonstration. Even in Kano, the home state of Abacha, there were numerous elections. Abubakar Rimi, Sule Lamido, Isiaku Ibrahim were all arrested in one their demonstrations against Abacha. In 1995 more thant 1000 people were killed in Bauchi for demonstrating during Abachas visit to the state. In Kaduna State, no one knows how many people were killed during the El Zazzaky uprising demonstrating against Abacha. In Kaduna between 1995 - 1998 more than 10 bombs exploded killing many people that were percieved to be against Abacha. The day Abacha died, Abdussalam released more than 300 hundred political prisoners. With the exception of Atiku and Solomon Lar, all the 34 founding fathers of PDP were political prisoners. There were so many demonstrations in Lagos. Do not belittle the sacrifices Nigerians made.

3. Obasanjo was no Mubarak, but he was a Mubarak in the making. Of course not all Nigerians demonstrated. But most of you didn't know what individual and ordinary Nigerians did. All Northern Senators that supported third term apart from Jibril Aminu, David Mark, Jonathan Zangina. Non could return to the Senate. The Senator that introduce the third term, Senator Hambada couldn't even campaign. Not only did he lost his senate seat, he lost his houses



Probably you need to watch the News. Even the Egyptians are now against each other. Probably Mubarak is learning from Abacha.

IBB was NO MUBARAK! Abacha, maybe, but not IBB. IBB coasted by on the fact that Nigerians liked to make noise but immediately shut-up when you appease them. June 12th march started off about standing against IBB but was almost immediately high-jacked by Nigerians who had scores to settle. I remember it like it was only yesterday. Abacha ruled with an iron hand -- there was thick fear in the air, and the few who protested for one cause or another did so with as much care as possible.

To compare the mini demonstrations ( even those by ASUU) to what is happening today in Egypt is a tad dishonest, please. During Abacha, much of the nation was living in fear, and the fear who came out to demonstrate did it for one cause or another but certainly not what you have in Egypt today, and nothing close to June 12th either.

Obasanjo could never be a Mubarak because the man, like IBB thought he could continue to play Nigerians against themselves to get by. Honestly, if those within his own party had not commented and maybe stood up against his intentions, I doubt he would not have gotten his way considering we knew of his intentions but did nothing until people like Atiku made so much noise of it and even threatened Obasanjo publicly.

Let us not now LIE that we have come even half close to what is happening today in Egypt or what has happened in Tunisia. We never have. I don't see why we are trying to REWRITE history today when the average Nigerian on the street can tell you for a fact that it has never and will probably never happen that way in Nigeria.

Of course what you are seeing is because the Protesters are embolden and protected by the International media. If this was to happen in the early 90s and 80s, majority of these protestors would have died now. Nigerians have done more than this.

The reason why Obj was no Mubarak is because Nigerians are not Egyptians. The Egyptians were living in total fear for 30 years, they cannot topple the govern't even in a coupe, demonstration or election. Our individual ambitions re sufficient to stop anybody becoming autocratic dictator.

Tsiya:

Of course what you are seeing is because the Protesters are embolden and protected by the International media. If this was to happen in the early 90s and 80s, majority of these protestors would have died now. Nigerians have done more than this.

The reason why Obj was no Mubarak is because Nigerians are not Egyptians. The Egyptians were living in total fear for 30 years, they cannot topple the govern't even in a coupe, demonstration or election. Our individual ambitions re sufficient to stop anybody becoming autocratic dictator.

Well, at least you finally admit we have NEVER had this happen in Nigeria. All I ask is we not pretend that we have done this before. We can come up with excuses as usual but the fact is Nigerians have NEVER in their history matched en masse in the same way these Egyptians or the Tunisians have in the last month.

Kobojunkie:

Well, at least you finally admit we have NEVER had this happen in Nigeria. All I ask is we not pretend that we have done this before. We can come up with excuses as usual but the fact is Nigerians have NEVER in their history matched en masse in the same way these Egyptians or the Tunisians have in the last month.

Kobo this is not about winning points. This is about what Nigerians have done. We might not have gathered people to this scale, but Nigerians indeed demonstrated and have fought off dictators in Nigeria. Every country have their own peculiar problem, and the way the problem is approach will be different. But I do not like the way some people belittle the effort of numerous Nigerians that sacrificed their life, wealth and career for us to get to this level of democracy. I know we have a long way to go in terms of corruption and good governance, but our problem in Nigeria now is different from that of Egypt.