Tsiya:

Kobo this is not about winning points. This is about what Nigerians have done. We might not have gathered people to this scale, but Nigerians indeed demonstrated and have fought off dictators in Nigeria. Every country have their own peculiar problem, and the way the problem is approach will be different. But I do not like the way some people belittle the effort of numerous Nigerians that sacrificed their life, wealth and career for us to get to this level of democracy. I know we have a long way to go in terms of corruption and good governance, but our problem in Nigeria now is different from that of Egypt.

This has little to do with belittling the efforts of Nigerians but simply trying to make sure we do not claim more than we have actually put in so far. Yes, some individuals have done some but not to the scale we see today in Egypt. Egyptians have also, individually tried in the past to stand up against the regime and failed. But this time around, they have come together to do this and we need to stop trying to make it into some sort of competition, and focus instead on learning what we can from this so we can eventually save ourselves from the hand of the few, in Nigeria, and across all of Africa.

Kobojunkie said:

Well, at least you finally admit we have NEVER had this happen in Nigeria. All I ask is we not pretend that we have done this before. We can come up with excuses as usual but the fact is Nigerians have NEVER in their history matched en masse in the same way these Egyptians or the Tunisians have in the last month.

How about THIS ''excuse'', Madam Senseless, ie that NIGERIANS HAVE NEVER BEEN RULED BY AN IRON FISTED, MURDEROUS DICTATOR FOR 30 YEARS STRAIGHT AND MADE SLAVES ON THEIR OWN HOMELAND?

Is that a good enough ''EXCUSE''  for why Nigerians have not ''marched en masse'' like the Egyptians have done??

You DO realise the Egyptians did not just wake up one morning and decide to ''march en masse''??

Do you realize that in Egypt, for the past 30 years, you risked being murdered by govt thugs merely for voicing anti-government sentiments?

Or calling for a recount of votes in ''elections''?

In Nigeria, you can go to court and have election results OVERTURNED after showing evidence of malpractices. This has happened ALL OVER Nigeria in recent years, and will happen in the next elections.

Egypt is not even CLOSE to that level of political evolution or maturity.

Do you know that for the past 30 years in Egypt, you risked ARREST and DETENTION for congregating with more than 5 people on a public street?

Mubarak has operated a state of emergency for the last 30 years.

You need to understand WHY the people of Egypt have done this. It goes beyond economics, politics, the price of bread, etc.

Fact is for 30 years, they have been SLAVES in their own country.

^^^^ If that works to pacify you and make you feel good about the Nigerian situation, then fine. Like I said, I am simply against people trying to make UNFOUNDED claims of how Nigerians have done what Egyptians are doing today or any better.

Kobojunkie said:

If that works to pacify you and make you feel good about the Nigerian situation, then fine

We know you look for everything to make you feel bad about the Nigerian situation.

Are you married to a white man or Arab btw?

You seem to have bucketloads of love and admiration for them, and none for your own people.

^^^ You are better off focusing on discussing the topic than wildly guessing at my life. You will never make a good psychoanalyst.

I notice you didn't answer the question.

^^^ I don't answer silly questions! You must have noticed that by now.

What we are now seeing in Egypt is political thuggery / anarchy that will lead to a military take over. I don't think Nigeria ever wants to see her military in Government again.

Kobojunkie said:

^^^ I don't answer silly questions! You must have noticed that by now.

Not sure why you consider it silly. You're either hooked up with whitey or you're not.

I asked because you are ALWAYS on the side of whitey in any debate.

Perhaps you're a bodyguard to some Caucasian tycoon?

A professional ''escort'' perhaps?

^^^^ Whitey? Again on this thread? They are Egyptians, and that is what they are. If you can however argue your point without needing to inject your personal insecurities into the debate, you would know this and move on to discuss the topic as is.

Kobojunkie said:

^^^^ Whitey? Again on this thread? They are Egyptians

If they are lighter than blacks, they're good enough for YOU.

If you can however argue your point without needing to inject your personal insecurities into the debate, you would know this and move on to discuss the topic as is.

Nice Try. But YOU have shown ALL the ''personal insecurities'' here. You are very ''personally insecure'' about anything to do with Nigerians or black Africans, and have shown that over and over and over and over again on NL.

Ok, to prove me wrong, can you name me three things the Egyptians can learn from Nigerians?

^^^ Again, get back to discussing the issue the thread was created for.

Kobojunkie and her delusional state!


May God ,one day, cure you of your disease!


Say Amen

Kobojunkie said:

^^^ Again, get back to discussing the issue the thread was created for.

Another way of saying that everything I've written about you is correct, and you've no words to counter them.

Thanks for the admission.

^^^ Nope . . . it is actually me saying if you have nothing sensible to post on, it is best you stick to the original discussion where we can hopefully expect you to do better. Again, you will never succeed as a psychoanalyst and you do possess mind reading/psychic abilities of any kind.

Kobojunkie, you're very good at blowing grammar, but not very good at answering posers put to you.

But nuttin spoil. 

Jen33:

Kobojunkie, you're very good at blowing grammar, but not very good at answering posers put to you.

But nuttin spoil. 

what grammar?

you seem to be confusing senility with grammar

lol. The way she dodges questions, she reminds me of some of those Naija politicians she so much loves to criticize.

In fact the parallels are quite stunning.

Jen33:

Kobojunkie, you're very good at blowing grammar, but not very good at answering posers put to you.

But nuttin spoil. 

This is a forum. This thread was created for discussion of a particular issue. I see no reason why you should make it about my person( you have never met me nor do you have any idea who I really am except for my views posted at random on various threads on here). If you want to know of me, then that is what my profile is for, else, let's stick to discussing and sharing our views on posted issues, as we ought to.

I agree with Kobokunje that, unlike the Egyptians, Nigerians have not taken to the streets en masse to protest their government. Concededly, the Egyptian government is arguably more repressive than anything Nigeria has seen, in that, unlike Nigeria where the worst we have seen are the Babangida 9-yr regime and the Abacha regime, the Egyptian dictator has forcefully ruled for 30 years.

Some have argued that because Nigeria has not experienced the level of repression in Egypt, that there has been no need to take to the streets like the Egyptians. That argument assumes that Nigerians have not been as frustrated as the Egyptians and therefore have no need to protest en masse. I disagree.

If anything, that argument supports my position, which says that Nigerians are too scared and weak to protest en masse. The fact that we have not experienced a repressive government like the Egyptians should supposedly give us more freedom to protest, which we have failed to do.

We have had unstable electricity for 30 years plus, and Nigerians are palpably frustrated at rigged elections and Northern domination of our polity. Also we have seen our fathers and grandfathers cling unto power as if the country is beholden to them. Yet we, especially the youths, have done nothing comparable to what the Egyptians are doing, despite the protection of the international media and social networking sites presumably afforded to us.

nothing meaningful

Princek12:

I agree with Kobokunje that, unlike the Egyptians, Nigerians have not taken to the streets en masse to protest their government.

I remember thousands on the streets after June 12. Not just in Lagos but even in my town, Ibadan. We were beaten and some were killed.

Wasnt well covered by CNN like this Egypt matter.

akinalabi:

I remember thousands on the streets after June 12. Not just in Lagos but even in my town, Ibadan. We were beaten and some were killed.

Wasnt well covered by CNN like this Egypt matter.

I also remember those thousands on the streets on that day, and the riots that followed. I also remember how it turned out that many of those who were beaten and killed were attacked by their neighbors, and friends, and not necessarily by the Army, and the police. I also remember, that thousands of people packed up and fled, not away from the army, or away from the police, but away from their neighbors and their friends to the safety of their mother's villages.

Kobojunkie:

I also remember those thousands on the streets on that day, and the riots that followed. I also remember how it turned out that many of those who were beaten and killed were attacked by their neighbors, and friends, and not necessarily by the Army, and the police. I also remember, that thousands of people packed up and fled, not away from the army, or away from the police, but away from their neighbors and their friends to the safety of their mother's villages.

Lies! Lies!! Lies!!!

Must you lie Kobo

Always fabricating and sensationalizing

Phucck you!

I am sure you are not a Nigerian!

WHat a crazy mofo

politics is always a volatile issue in nigeria.

Kobojunkie:

I also remember those thousands on the streets on that day, and the riots that followed. I also remember how it turned out that many of those who were beaten and killed were attacked by their neighbors, and friends, and not necessarily by the Army, and the police. I also remember, that thousands of people packed up and fled, not away from the army, or away from the police, but away from their neighbors and their friends  to the safety of their mother's villages.

akinalabi:

I remember thousands on the streets after June 12. Not just in Lagos but even in my town, Ibadan. We were beaten and some were killed.

Wasnt well covered by CNN like this Egypt matter.

i think i watched some of it on tv, but for the most part, i think much of the country wasnt unstable even though many were agitated.


and since the western powers did not get involved, the situation was diffused eventually.

my opinion.

Again with the WESTERN POWERS BULL. June 12th(the annulment of the elections) happened in Nigeria TO NIGERIANS. Western Powers or Not, We all watched on TV as it all started( the riots did not happen on June 12th by the way). If you are in Nigeria, what do you care what is on CNN??

Kobojunkie:

I also remember those thousands on the streets on that day, and the riots that followed. I also remember how it turned out that many of those who were beaten and killed were attacked by their neighbors, and friends, and not necessarily by the Army, and the police. I also remember, that thousands of people packed up and fled, not away from the army, or away from the police, but away from their neighbors and their friends  to the safety of their mother's villages.

Well, me I remember the beating and killings by the army and police while you remember the ones by friends and neighbours.

akinalabi:

Well, me I remember the beating and killings by the army and police while you remember the ones by friends and neighbours.

Ma da lohun

Woman yen ni koin koin lori

I lived in Lagos then, and I never saw or heard of neighbors beating each other and this is the first time i am hearing it.

akinalabi:

Well, me I remember the ones by the army and police while you remember the ones by friends and neighbours.

Well, I also remember the very few, mostly AGBEROS who took it on themselves to go fight army/police. Those, I really don't think worth mentioning since it is common sense that if you go after armed men with bottle, cutlass, and knifes, chances are you will likely get killed.  

I do hope you also remember the millions who ran home (back to villages) then too? Do you remember why we experienced that? Or have you completely blanked that long stand still (at least a whole month of it) out completely? If you do remember a bit of it, then I suggest you also find something who has his/her eyes wide open then to better help jug your memory on what really took place then.

Kobojunkie:

Well, I also remember the very few, mostly AGBEROS who took it on themselves to go fight army/police. Those, I really don't think worth mentioning since it is common sense that if you go after armed men with bottle, cutlass, and knifes, chances are you will likely get killed.  

I do hope you also remember the millions who ran home (back to villages) then too? Do you remember why we experienced that? Or have you completely blanked that long stand still (at least a whole month of it) out completely? If you do remember a bit of it, then I suggest you also find something who has his/her eyes wide open then to better help jug your memory on what really took place then.

Knew you would come that low.

akinalabi:

Knew you would come that low.

Nothing low about suggesting you consult someone who actually lived those days. Many on here seem oblivious to actual happenings in the 80's and 90's. I have seen people try over and over to rewrite our history, and mostly due to ignorance of what really happened. You can as well do a google search on articles from those days to see that it was probably not as you thought.

Not sure why I will be needing google to look for what I witnessed. Not sure I need some links to remember battles with the police and army. Some of those battles, some folks didnt return home after being killed by the police.