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Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 7:57pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Inasmuch as a earthly male is involved, the sinful nature will be inherited. It doesnt matter whether the sperm is physically, sexually, science or laboratory assisted to fertilise the egg, the sinful nature will automatically still be passed on. The corrective, is to withdraw an earthly father from the equation, and this is why and how the Holy Spirit comes into the frame. PRE4:"Whoever sins is guilty of breaking God's law, because sin is a breaking of the law. (i.e. Whoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.)" - 1 John 3:4 Adam and Eve (i.e. A&E) had freewill to start. It is the same freewill they had to start with that was exercised when the went ahead to eat the fruit, off the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil (i.e. TKGE) Sin, plainly speaking, is the transgression of the law. The very act of A&E eating the fruit, off the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil (i.e. TKGE), polluted the DNA. Now whats DNA?. DNA, is a hereditary material in humans and also found in almost all other organisms. It carries a genetic code, it follows, for our development, functioning, growth, reproduction and its these biological instructions written in it that's used to make each one of us unique. Romans 3:23, is confirming that because of sin, the DNA "recipe book" has been tampered with and is become totally illegible, to the point of lacking instructions/codes with divine moral attributes in it to run and execute. Kobojunkie:"Now Adam had sexual relations with his wife, Eve, and she became pregnant. When she gave birth to Cain, she said, “With the LORD’s help, I have produced a man!” (i.e. And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD.)" - Genesis 4:1 It was after being driven out of Eden that the Genesis 4:1 sexual relation and conceiving happened Kobojunkie:The reason why a virgin birth was necessary, was so that the paternity of Jesus Christ would not be contested or disputed. So that it wouldn't be argued that an earthly male fathered Jesus Christ Kobojunkie:"When Adam sinned, sin entered the world. Adam’s sin brought death, so death spread to everyone, for everyone sinned. (i.e. For just as by the agency of one-man, sin entered the universe, and by means of sin, death, in this way death passed by this sin unto all the children of men, because all of them have sinned)" - Romans 5:12 The man, Adam is the focus, not the woman, not Eve. You're shaking down the wrong tree Kobojunkie:"But you know that Christ appeared to take away sins, and in Him there is no sin" - 1 John 3:5 "God had Christ, who was sinless, take our sin so that we might receive God's approval through him" - 2 Corinthians 5:21 "For we do not have a High Priest who is unable to empathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet He did not sin." - Hebrews 4:15 Jesus, by virtue of not having an earthly father was born sinless. He had every opportunity to sin, but He did not sin and so until when sentenced to death remained sinless, lmao. |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 7:58pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
PRE4:Virginity, isn't a criteria for absolving of the sinful nature at all. Whether you are a virgin or not a virgin, you still automatically inherit the sinful nature, all thanks to the father, lmao Kobojunkie:A problem created from failure in understanding correctly how sinful nature is transmitted. Inasmuch as you have the male somehow involved, you cant escape not having the sinful nature, lmao PRE4:[img]https://s6/images/s-l640.jpg[/img] You must have heard the saying enough times, "it is in the blood, its in their DNA" I am sure you are aware, it isn't even necessary to have sperm and egg to conceive, lmao. Ordinarily eggs can be made from adult skin cells to make babies (i.e. New Scientist 21 Oct 2016 edition) Kobojunkie:How far down this rabbit hole are you guys going to take this, lmao |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by Kobojunkie: 8:10pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
Oldoinyolengai:Jesus Christ's corpse in two places? Which one is the real corpse abeg? And who decided it was indeed Jesus's corpse? |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 8:13pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
Oldoinyolengai:[img]https://s3/images/ObamaMuttley.gif[/img] Now, from females being XX and males being XY, the Holy Spirit had to step in to offer the Y in its provided XY chromosomes, so a male Jesus Christ be formed, and one such that is free of any earthly father sinful nature, that would have been inherited as per what Psalm 51:5 is messaging about. Had it been an earthly father was involved in forming and conceiving, then Jesus would have inherited all the undesirables and baggages. Look at Isaac, the Holy Spirit didnt fall upon Sarah. It was the miraculous of of reversing Abraham's impotency and Sarah's menopause that produced Isaac, another unique birth, but this one, is of the different kind to Jesus' birth (i.e. begotten son in Hebrews 11:17 above) Kobojunkie: Oldoinyolengai: Kobojunkie:"9Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven" - Acts 1:9-11 Is it the same Jesus seen ascended to Heaven, that is in Israel historical sites as well as in Vatican, hmm? |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by Oldoinyolengai(m): 8:52pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:Ever come across Zero hour? A movie intended to reveal what is now your curiosity before it was forbidden. |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by Kobojunkie: 8:54pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
Oldoinyolengai:I think I may have seen that movie some time ago. But we live in an age where nothing is truly hidden anymore. |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by Nobody: 8:57pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff,thank you very much 1 Like |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by Kobojunkie: 9:00pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
PRE4:He did not back up any of the claims you made, so what are you thanking him for? He seems to disagree with you. So? |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by Nobody: 9:05pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:He buttressed most of my point and corrected me in the wrong one and i learnt because no one is an island of knowledge,as for you,back off. 1 Like |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by Kobojunkie: 9:09pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
PRE4:Oh, you learnt from him? But you ran away instead I asked of the claims you made in what you supposedly wanted others to learn from? As far as Jesus Christ is concerned, we are not islands after all Jesus Christ did not leave us orphans as the Spirit of Truth who lives in us teaches us all things. But since you choose instead to learn from men and not from Jesus Christ, I guess... |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 9:17pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:I complemented all he typed, to emphasize the very good points he made. Kobojunkie:"Abosi akan, omi ni ootu" loosely translated means "The tittle-tattle crab, gets exposed with water" It is you actually, on all fronts, I disagreed with 1 Like |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by Kobojunkie: 9:23pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:You did nothing of the sort. MuttleyLaff:Really? When all I did was pose questions of what was claimed in the original? And by introducing your own doctrine, you have also created more questions.. interesting but that is by the way... |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 9:33pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
PRE4:Don't waste your breath, ink and time on him Kobojunkie:"People learn from one another, just as iron sharpens iron." - Proverbs 27:17 "Conceited people can never become wise, but intelligent people learn easily. (i.e. Make fun of wisdom, and you will never find it. But if you have understanding, knowledge comes easily.)" - Proverbs 14:6 "Apollos started speaking bravely in the synagogue. But when Priscilla and Aquila heard him, they took him to their home and helped him understand God's Way even better." - Acts 18:26 The Spirit of Truth, who lives in us, works in mysterious ways, lmao. |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by Kobojunkie: 9:36pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
MuttleyLaff:That is a classic one... Interesting! the very same excuse that so-called MOGs use in perpetuating their many doctrines and traditions around the world today, all in the name of God. |
Re: God Never Created Man As A Sinner by MuttleyLaff: 9:56pm On Jul 09, 2020 |
Kobojunkie:You wouldn't know Kobojunkie:and with that digging yourself into a rabbit hole Kobojunkie:The alleged doctrine is what, hmm? Kobojunkie:The list of the questions created are what? Kobojunkie:Be reading the Bible upside down. OK? Continue. Smh. Kobojunkie:Classic ko, chassis ni Kobojunkie, be clutching straws there and be busy groping for a black cat in a dark room, especially when there is no cat in it, lmao. You think there's a tithe, "fake it, till you make it", "blab it and grab it" "name it and claim it" "prosperity gospel" "staged healing" fake prophecy et cetera merchandise on display here, hmm? You think proselytising is on offer here, hmm? |
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