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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Babaj145(m): 1:38pm On Jul 24, 2020
Obi1kenobi:


Una no dey shame, sha, trying to claim Ronaldo's achievements with Juve are some kind of special accomplishment. Juventus are about to win their 9th consecutive Serie A title. They've not failed to win Serie A since 2011! It would be as foolish as bragging about Messi's achievement if he moves to PSG or Bayern Munich.
U get brain at all??..someone asked me what ronaldo achieved and I simply stated what he achieved In his first season..no one claimed it is special..did he achieve those things as a juve player or did be not..its dat simple...you messi fans will never seem to amaze me..dis season dat he went trophy less na una dey hype assists like say na award..my guy talk another thing..

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Obi1kenobi(m): 1:50pm On Jul 24, 2020
Babaj145:

U get brain at all??..someone asked me what ronaldo achieved and I simply stated what he achieved In his first season..no one claimed it is special..did he achieve those things as a juve player or did be not..its dat simple...you messi fans will never seem to amaze me..dis season dat he went trophy less na una dey hype assists like say na award..my guy talk another thing..

The point is one of the world's best players joining a team that have won 9 league titles in a row is no achievement. Ronaldo fans are in the stewpid habit of trying to claim that Ronaldo doing it in another country is something for which he should be given special applause. It isn't. It would be as daft as Messi joining PSG or Bayern and claiming that his success in those leagues merit special applause. It doesn't merit any applause.
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Babaj145(m): 1:59pm On Jul 24, 2020
Techiekingee:

"A league and super cup title, serie a MVP of the year..juventus highest goal scorer for dat season."
Is that the Ronaldo we know that conquers europe and wins individual awards?....he was reduced to a mere Juve top scorer

Please o, who's on course to win this years serieA, serie A to scorer, serieA MVP player of the year, juventus highest goal scorer, European golden boot-if he can. obviously Ronaldo.... Nothing has changed under Sarri..... this same Sarri

Also, no one expects Sarri to win the champions League in his first season.....

And please, Dybala has been the one with the Individual brilliance and best player not Ronaldo... he's decided most of Juventus matches...Dybala with those penalties wud be MVP.. if u watch Juve with a open mind, you shud agree with me...
What's ur point exactly?? So u just expect ronaldo to top d scoring chats in d whole of Europe in his first juventus season??..for league wey e never settle down..d fact dat his goal tally increased in his second season is a testament dat be his already settling into d league..and it will continue to increase in d coming seasons..dis is ronaldo at 35, football nr be rocket science..
If u think only dybala is d reason for juventus winning d league dis season den u are a joker obviously..cuz d stats prove otherwise..

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Beverlyjean(f): 2:20pm On Jul 24, 2020
Obi1kenobi:


I'm not sure what you're smoking, but Portugal were a top team with or without Ronaldo. Their Euro 2004 squad had many of the players that won the CL with Porto that same season (Deco, Carvalho, Ferreira, Costinha, Maniche, Nuno Valente), and also had the likes of Figo and Rui Costa from their golden generation of the late 90's to early 00's. And they were tournament hosts which added an advantage for them. They still got beaten by a very average Greece team in the finals. They won Euro 2016 the same way Greece won Euro 2004 - solid, but unspectacular in midfield, and very organized in defense. Ronaldo was little more than average in that tournament and those trying to claim he "motivated" or "inspired" Portugal to win that tournament either didn't watch it or are desperate fanboys. If Messi and Argentina had half the luck Portugal had in that tournament, they should have won the World Cup in 2014.

U are saying crap...y dint figo rui costa and the rest get to any final b4 ronaldos era... they tried for about 14 yrs b4 it clicked ... calling Greece average , dont forget they defeated defending champs france and tournament favourites czech republic .... they won it just like Leicester... if u say ronaldo dint motivate or inspire the team them I will say u are nothing but a bitter person....go and help ur soul
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Babaj145(m): 2:20pm On Jul 24, 2020
Obi1kenobi:


The point is one of the world's best players joining a team that have won 9 league titles in a row is no achievement. Ronaldo fans are in the stewpid habit of trying to claim that Ronaldo doing it in another country is something for which he should be given special applause. It isn't. It would be as daft as Messi joining PSG or Bayern and claiming that his success in those leagues merit special applause. It doesn't merit any applause.
How is winning d league not an achievement??.. I know for a fact if messi decides to leave barca and join psg or Bayern and manages to win d league he will definitely be praised and applauded and u messi fans will definitely use it as a bragging right.. I mean if u all can brag about 'assists' like its d next big thing in football talkless of winning d league in another country.. Winning d league is an achievement take it or leave it..even if u win it 100 times its still an achievement.. If its not den messi would have not been pained losing dis years la liga to Madrid even though he has 10..

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Beverlyjean(f): 2:22pm On Jul 24, 2020
Obi1kenobi:


This is a silly comment. Messi and Ronaldo play different roles. The only reason people even compare their scoring records is because Messi despite all his other extravagant gifts as a playmaker, is also a scorer. Messi is Barcelona's main creator while Suarez is their main striker. Messi's 89 chances created and 21 assists in La Liga this season (compared to Ronaldo's 46 chances created and 5 assists) might give you a clue he has other things to do on the pitch other than tapping easy goals in the net like Ronaldo. Same with his averaging 60 passes per game and completing 182 dribbles this season to Ronaldo's 36 passes per game and 49 dribbles completed this season. You can even compare all their contributions (through balls, crosses etc) and Messi's contribution is several levels above Ronaldo and not even close in any way:
https://1xbet.whoscored.com/Regions/206/Tournaments/4/Seasons/7889/Stages/17702/PlayerStatistics/Spain-LaLiga-2019-2020
https://1xbet.whoscored.com/Regions/108/Tournaments/5/Seasons/7928/Stages/17835/PlayerStatistics/Italy-Serie-A-2019-2020
Even when Ronaldo played with Benzema in Real Madrid, Benzema used to drop into the no.10 position while Ronaldo makes the runs behind the opposition. This is why after he left, Benzema has been scoring more freely playing as a more traditional striker. Even if Messi scored less than Ronaldo (and Messi is still the greater goalscorer), he'd still be the better player in the same way Zidane was better than Lampard or Gerrard even if he scored less.

Ronaldo fans like to pretend no other quality exists in football other than your ability to score tap-ins and penalties every week like Ronaldo. That's a very ignorant way to view football. Ronaldo is a machine infront of goal, but there are other nuances to the game of football which is why we love players like Maradonna and Cryuff who were not the greatest scorers in their time. But the funny part is the only thing they claim Ronaldo does better than Messi, which is score goals, Messi still does it better than him. grin Hilarious really.

Ronaldos effectiveness with his attributes has won him very serious trophies...messi with his attributes has only won him highest assist and the normal la Liga...nothing else
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Techiekingee(m): 2:28pm On Jul 24, 2020
Babaj145:

What's ur point exactly?? So u just expect ronaldo to top d scoring chats in d whole of Europe in his first juventus season??..for league wey e never settle down..d fact dat his goal tally increased in his second season is a testament dat be his already settling into d league..and it will continue to increase in d coming seasons..dis is ronaldo at 35, football nr be rocket science..
If u think only dybala is d reason for juventus winning d league dis season den u are a joker obviously..cuz d stats prove otherwise..
Goals from open play or PKs
Lol,it will continue to increase.....issokay....i reserve wat i want to say till the end of the season...


I never said Dybala is the only reason for juve winning the league....dnt quote me wrongly....
You claim Juve are enjoying Ronaldo's individual brilliance and i tell you, that is FALSE..... He isn't juve's best player individually....period
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by blastac: 2:47pm On Jul 24, 2020
Peterd53 come and see... Shebi I tell you
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Obi1kenobi(m): 2:51pm On Jul 24, 2020
Beverlyjean:


U are saying crap...y dint figo rui costa and the rest get to any final b4 ronaldos era... they tried for about 14 yrs b4 it clicked ... calling Greece average , dont forget they defeated defending champs france and tournament favourites czech republic .... they won it just like Leicester... if u say ronaldo dint motivate or inspire the team them I will say u are nothing but a bitter person....go and help ur soul

As I said, several players in Porto's CL winning team were in that squad. Their best 2 players, Figo and Rui Costa were still there. And Portugal hosted the tournament. And they came close in Euro 2000 where they should have beaten France in the semis. Everything came together for Portugal in 2004. To try and claim it was because of Ronaldo is absolutely ignorant drivel. You Ronaldo fans are incredibly desperate. grin
Yes, Greece were average. They were very solid and organized, but had no outstanding individual talents. Hardly any player in their team would make the Portugal squad. Yet, they beat Portugal. Twice (in the group stage and finals) in that tournament. Funny enough, I cited the Greece team as the model for Portugal's own Euro victory in 2016. Portugal were a very solid organized unit in defense and midfield which allowed the few attacking talents they had to make a difference. Yet, desperate Ronaldo fanboys act like he carried them to the victory when he didn't contribute any more than Bruno Alves or Pepe or Rui Patricio or Guerrero or Moutinho or even Nani.

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by TangoPredict(f): 2:53pm On Jul 24, 2020
Penaldo remains the best penalty taker of all time
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Obi1kenobi(m): 2:55pm On Jul 24, 2020
Beverlyjean:


Ronaldos effectiveness with his attributes has won him very serious trophies...messi with his attributes has only won him highest assist and the normal la Liga...nothing else

And yet, Messi has won more in his career than Ronaldo. And scores more than Ronaldo. But yes, continue to pretend it's about "assists" when other than being a better header, Messi just about destroys Ronaldo in any facet of the game. Even the free kicks and long-distance goals he used to claim 10 years ago, Messi is the one scoring them. But yes, Penaldo knows how to hang around the goal and score goals after his teammates' work. Im sabi dat one pass Messi. And still scores less than Messi after all the goal hanging and penalties.

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Obi1kenobi(m): 3:03pm On Jul 24, 2020
Babaj145:

How is winning d league not an achievement??.. I know for a fact if messi decides to leave barca and join psg or Bayern and manages to win d league he will definitely be praised and applauded and u messi fans will definitely use it as a bragging right.. I mean if u all can brag about 'assists' like its d next big thing in football talkless of winning d league in another country.. Winning d league is an achievement take it or leave it..even if u win it 100 times its still an achievement.. If its not den messi would have not been pained losing dis years la liga to Madrid even though he has 10..

No. Messi fans won't claim that as an achievement. We know by using our 2 korokoro eyes that Messi offers far more to a team than Ronaldo, so there's no need to claim non-achievements like winning the league with a team that has already won it 8 times consecutively. The problem is not even that they applaud the achievement. The problem is they use it to try and claim that Ronaldo does it everywhere and that means he's better than Messi. Which is nonsense. Ronaldo's career success came in very successful clubs: Man U, the biggest, richest club in England; Real Madrid, the biggest, richest club in Spain; and Juventus, the biggest club in Italy. Any top player who moves around to the most successful clubs in countries would achieve success.

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Beverlyjean(f): 3:06pm On Jul 24, 2020
Obi1kenobi:


And yet, Messi has won more in his career than Ronaldo. And scores more than Ronaldo. But yes, continue to pretend it's about "assists" when other than being a better header, Messi just about destroys Ronaldo in any facet of the game. Even the free kicks and long-distance goals he used to claim 10 years ago, Messi is the one scoring them. But yes, Penaldo knows how to hang around the goal and score goals after his teammates' work. Im sabi dat one pass Messi. And still scores less than Messi after all the goal hanging and penalties.

A person that has one different types of titles is way better than the one that wins laliga year in year out ... ronaldo has never stayed for 5yrs without winning CL in his career for any club... la Liga, la Liga super cup, la Liga copa , CL, world club cup , European super cup that's messi 6 different cups , Ronaldo portuguese super cup, premiership, fa cup, Carling cup, community shield, la Liga, la Liga super cup , la Liga copa , italian serie a, italian super cup, CL, world club championship, nations league, european super cup, nations league, European championship 16...
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by pquaver(m): 3:30pm On Jul 24, 2020
ProfAmaben:


But Dembele is a world cup winner and Modric isn't. Do you know that Adan of Real Madrid has more champions league trophies than Buffon and Ibrahimovic combined?

Trophy is trophy.

Yeah will you now say Ibrahimovic and Buffon has done nothing in the champions league in comparison to Adan.. Unless you are trying to do the normal Messi and Ronaldo fans nonsense argument but if we are talking about objectively about the two best players in the world and of all times as far as I am concerned then in my opinion the excelled both in trophies, in teams and in their national teams.
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Androidking: 3:54pm On Jul 24, 2020
I like Messi , I like Ronaldo more , to me 3 champions league in a roll is better than 10 laliga ooo

I remembered when Messi scored 15 goals in champions League creating that record, and Messi Fans believed that no one will ever break that record ever , like ever that it's impossible. Even me I thought it's impossible

But as Ronaldo gets old he broke the record and created a new record that's 16 .
Next season Ronaldo broke his own 16 record and make it 17
Next season he put in another 15 goals ,and in all these goals where hattricks and serious come back , we are not talking of beans goals here . I mean serious important goals.

And these goals helped gave them get d trophies .

U don't need 100 assists , in fact to me assist is not important the goals are , why will Messi be doing the job of striker and assistant striker,
Because he feels less of his teammates ,

remember when we had xavi and iniesta
Messi had more goals and very less assist but no one remembered assist ooo grin Messi fans just d scream 91 league goals , now xavi and iniesta no dey , they now want to use assist to complement the less goals ,

If Ronaldo is doing less and achieving more ,

And Messi is doing more to achieve more den who do u thing is better and smarter .

Even in video games Messi fans will choose Ronaldo to win matches because they know deep in der mind that is what matters .goals

As for Ronaldo now is not doing as he was , before , but oga , u guys supposed to know that the guy is having fun now ,

he knows his body is getting old,

forget the new challenge matter , infact I believe he entered Juventus to have fun and enjoy his life , but things changed , immediately he entered the league everyone became serious in serial A .

Even Messi fans started watching Serial A just to see CR7 fail .(village people) grin

Ronaldo in my own opinion enter Juventus to have a feeling of fresh league and enjoy his life , but the League change am for him and became tougher than he expected, right now if you loan a player to serial A he will be happy .

Because der is world best in it .

When dstv started showing serial A ....

Inconclution Messi and Ronaldo are enjoying past glory ...

It's time they retire make we find new players to argue about. cheesy[right][/right] cheesy cheesy

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by obonujoker(m): 3:56pm On Jul 24, 2020
bayelsaowei:


Balon doer is a personal achievement..

Whilst the CL is a higher competition, local leagues are very important for the local teams respectively.. remember it took Liverpool 30 years to clinch the Premier league and see how fulfilled they were..

You're a ronaldo fan..no problem..but stop this charade of telling intelligent humans that the euro Cup was won by ronaldo..


Was Laliga won by Messi??

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by obonujoker(m): 4:00pm On Jul 24, 2020
Techiekingee:

Please, what has Ronaldo won since he left the mighty Madrid??....No good individual award.... children cup

So SerieA best player and mvp award aren't great awards??
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Techiekingee(m): 4:08pm On Jul 24, 2020
obonujoker:


So SerieA best player and mvp award aren't great awards??
Let him use that award to collect balon d'Or na
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Obi1kenobi(m): 4:09pm On Jul 24, 2020
Beverlyjean:


A person that has one different types of titles is way better than the one that wins laliga year in year out ... ronaldo has never stayed for 5yrs without winning CL in his career for any club... la Liga, la Liga super cup, la Liga copa , CL, world club cup , European super cup that's messi 6 different cups , Ronaldo portuguese super cup, premiership, fa cup, Carling cup, community shield, la Liga, la Liga super cup , la Liga copa , italian serie a, italian super cup, CL, world club championship, nations league, european super cup, nations league, European championship 16...

You're just raising silly, arbitrary statistics. This is not an argument at all.

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Babaj145(m): 4:19pm On Jul 24, 2020
Techiekingee:

Goals from open play or PKs
Lol,it will continue to increase.....issokay....i reserve wat i want to say till the end of the season...


I never said Dybala is the only reason for juve winning the league....dnt quote me wrongly....
You claim Juve are enjoying Ronaldo's individual brilliance and i tell you, that is FALSE..... He isn't juve's best player individually....period
I guess u are d one misquoting me..I never said only ronaldos individual brilliance..I said individual brilliance from few players in d squad.. Don't turn a blind eye to d truth..
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by bayelsaowei(m): 4:23pm On Jul 24, 2020
obonujoker:


Was Laliga won by Messi??
was won by the barca team...

Both those who played actively and those who sat on the bench..

But when it comes to goals, dribbles, assists , chances created etc we go individual..

Trophies are not personalised to individual players however golden boots, fifa best award, balon dor etc as in below link are., ..


https://michelacosta.com/en/messi-vs-cristiano-achievements-golden-ball/

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by obonujoker(m): 4:30pm On Jul 24, 2020
bayelsaowei:
was won by the barca team...

Both those who played actively and those who sat on the bench..

But when it comes to goals, dribbles, assists , chances created etc we go individual..

Trophies are not personalised to individual players however golden boots, fifa best award, balon dor etc as in below link are., ..


https://michelacosta.com/en/messi-vs-cristiano-achievements-golden-ball/

So look at euro 2016, who was Portugal best player individually??

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Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by bayelsaowei(m): 4:35pm On Jul 24, 2020
obonujoker:


So look at euro 2016, who was Portugal best player individually??
for portugal ofcourse it was ronaldo..but for the tournament not him...
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Techiekingee(m): 4:47pm On Jul 24, 2020
Babaj145:

I guess u are d one misquoting me..I never said only ronaldos individual brilliance..I said individual brilliance from few players in d squad.. Don't turn a blind eye to d truth..
My point is Dybala is Juve's MVP....take it or leave it....
Ronaldo being in that team has changed nothing.
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Babaj145(m): 4:59pm On Jul 24, 2020
Techiekingee:

My point is Dybala is Juve's MVP....take it or leave it....
Ronaldo being in that team has changed nothing.
Anyway its your opinion and that's where it ends..peace..
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by peterd53(m): 6:21pm On Jul 24, 2020
Beverlyjean:



A question was asked and I simply replied... 2 seria a titles , one super cup and a nations league ... [b]Ronaldo has never failed to b top scorer for any team he has played for in 12 -13 yrs unlike messi that Suarez chanced in 2016...[/b]even with all the penalties he scored that year , still Suarez outscored him ...besides Ronaldo won 3 CL titles within same 5 yrs that messi dint smell finals and won top scorer 4 times


Lies.......Higuain tip CR7 during the 2010/2011 season. Get ur facts right
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Gamesmart: 6:22pm On Jul 24, 2020
ProfAmaben:


Homosexual spotted.


Did you pull it out of your ass?

You ass hole must be gigantic to be able to pull such magnitude of foolishness out of it. So you are a homosexual?
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by ProfAmaben: 6:26pm On Jul 24, 2020
Gamesmart:


Did you pull it out of your ass?

You ass hole must be gigantic to be able to pull such magnitude of foolishness out of it. So you are a homosexual?

Kid spotted.
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by blastac: 6:32pm On Jul 24, 2020
Peterd53 come and see
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by Gamesmart: 6:34pm On Jul 24, 2020
ProfAmaben:


Kid spotted.

Just admit you demonstrated no sense with your foolish conclusion if a "kid" can highlight your folly.

Next time "research, think (i.e. use the oblongata), before you talk", so you don't come up with such grand foolish vomit again in public, while you label yourself "Prof".
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by ProfAmaben: 6:39pm On Jul 24, 2020
Gamesmart:


Just admit you demonstrated no sense with your foolish conclusion if a "kid" can highlight your folly.

Next time "research, think (i.e. use the oblongata), before you talk", so you don't come up with such grand foolish vomit again in public, while you label yourself "Prof".

Kid.
Re: Penalty Stats for Messi and Ronaldo by obonujoker(m): 7:25pm On Jul 24, 2020
Techiekingee:

My point is Dybala is Juve's MVP....take it or leave it....
Ronaldo being in that team has changed nothing.

You are just an hater... Whether you like it or not, Ronaldo would still win SerieA best player, although I would prefer dybala coz ronaldo has won it already

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