MistadeRegal:
Since the time man sinned against GOD in disobeying GOD by eating the fruit of the forbidden tree of knowledge of good and evil, sin entered into the fountain of man because all these descendants came from Adam.

Observing closely, when Eve first ate the fruit, her eyes were not yet opened, but as soon as Adam ate it, the eyes of both of them were opened, cleared, understanding came to them and they knew they were naked instantly. Why? Because Eve was made out of Adam. Immediately the fountain was corrupted, they both became corrupt.

And before that, GOD had spoken upon that tree that if they should eat the tree, they will surely die. But they have never experienced nor witnessed death or dying before, so they just kept to it till Eve was beguiled.

Now, since man disobeyed GOD and sin came upon man, the word that GOD had spoken upon the tree that they will die, instantly came up activated. Preparing to kill them but not instantly. So, sin got into man and death followed. (Though from the beginning, GOD made man perfect)

Now, sin and the consequence of disobeying GOD is upon man. And to remove this sin and its consequence, blood was required as blood is life.
In those days, GOD commanded them to use the blood of rams, goats, bulls etc. But this does not last as it is required to carry a continuous process of sacrificing.

These goes on for a period of time. They sacrificed several animals and it was a continuous process. It came to a time that GOD told them He is not interested in their sacrifices. But that He will send his BRANCH who will come and they will be taught of the LORD.

Now, they believed the prophecy and waited for long for the Messiah to come. Indeed, they were expecting the Messiah but when the Messiah came, they never knew.
But since they never repented of their sins still, GOD decided to remove this world and create another one and that when the time comes, He will terminate this current world and make another replace it forever.

To stop these animal sacrificing for atonement, blood is still required. And since all men have been defiled by sins they committed, none of them was pure and holy enough to be used as the ultimate sacrifice. This is why GOD had to send His Word, a personality in GOD Himself like when you say something should be done and that what you said got it done.

Now, the Word came into the world, clothed in flesh but no man knew him because instead of descending as a mighty man, He came as someone not recognizable. They saw Him as a nobody because they couldn't understand who He really was at that time.

Now, before JESUS CHRIST died, He had told His disciples that He will be going to Jerusalem to be delivered to the hands of sinners that they might kill Him and He will rise again on the third day. He went indeed, even the Word of GOD went to Jerusalem where He was taken and eventually killed.

They killed Him thinking they did for envy and hatred but never knew the prophecy has been fulfilled.
They no longer need to offer any animal as sacrifices anymore because the blood of who had been shed, a blood most precious.

Since no man was qualified, neither by holiness...nor any virtue, GOD sent His Word, a personality in GOD. Who was humiliated and later killed.
Now, the Word had done that sacrifice using the body provided for Him as a human instead of rams, bulls, goats etc because GOD will not use any human as sacrifice.

Now, the warning is that since GOD is going to terminate this world, He laid it down that whosoever shall believe on the Word whom He the FATHER has sent will not be added to the things He will not be needing in the new earth but will burn such up with eternal fire.

This is why we have been telling you to believe and accept Him that you might not get added to those things He will not be needing in the new earth. Which is the Kingdom of Heaven.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. He came unto his own, and his own received him not. But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John:1:1-5,9-12,14
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John:1:17

That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. He that hath received his testimony hath set to his seal that God is true. For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. The Father loveth the Son, and hath given all things into his hand. He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
John:3:15-19,33-36

kingxsamz:
Wait o...
If Adam and Eve did bad by eating the fruit, why did god now punish them since they never had the knowledge of good and bad?
How would they have known that disobeying God by eating the fruit would be bad since they can't tell good from bad in the first place?

kingxsamz:
Wait o...
If Adam and Eve did bad by eating the fruit, why did god now punish them since they never had the knowledge of good and bad?
How would they have known that disobeying God by eating the fruit would be bad since they can't tell good from bad?

Kobojunkie:
Do you need the knowledge of Good and Evil to obey a simple instruction such as " Do' A Not B' "?

kingxsamz:

Read to understand.
That scenario is no different from making a robot that's incapable of knowing what is good or bad. And then when that robot does something else, instead of fixing it to be better, you condemn it.

Adam and Eve didn't know that eating the fruit would be bad, yes or no?

Kobojunkie:
You assume the scenario to be the same as that which you describe there but you forget that you and I exist in a universe that is riddled with errors and so our understanding is that when something goes wrong, since we are imperfect beibgs, it is quite understandable that we made a mistake and so the robot is not to blame.

Consider a different reality though where a good system can choose to enter an error state and the only "fix" to be applied to said system is to allow the error state to run its course, essentially letting the system to eventually correct itself? only problem is that system can remain in that state indefinitely.
But what if by introducing a good-state daemon, you can influence the system, which is remains in error state, by providing prompts to aid it in returning to its previous state, the good state?

Kobojunkie:
Do you need the knowledge of Good and Evil to obey a simple instruction such as " Do' A Not B' "?

OtemAtum:
If there is no knowledge of good and bad and there is freewill, even Adam and Eve will not be at fault if they slap Jehovah hard on the face, because they didn't know that it is bad to do so. They ate the fictitious fruit because they didn't know that it is bad to do so(remember, they have no knowledge of good and bad).

Kobojunkie:
Where you told that there was indeed freewill or did you hear of this from the mouth of others and are pretending you can spew that back at me in some sensible manner?

Again.... does a system require thorough knowledge of good and evil in order to execute the command was simple Do { A NOT B }?

kingxsamz:


Read to understand.
That scenario is no different from making a robot that's incapable of knowing what is good or bad. And then when that robot does something else, instead of fixing it to be better, you condemn it.

Adam and Eve didn't know that eating the fruit would be bad, yes or no?

OtemAtum:
Adam and Eve have freewill, according to your bible. So the freewill should be what made them eat the fruit. Jehovah your god should have also let them have knowledge of good and bad so that they will be able to put their freewill in check in this case. Jehovah must be sick in the head for forgetting to including knowledge(of good and bad) with freewill for Adam and Eve.

kingxsamz:
Abeg, in layman's terms.

Kobojunkie:
The bible says they have freewill, where?

OtemAtum:
Adam and Eve have freewill, according to your bible. So the freewill should be what made them eat the fruit. Jehovah your god should have also let them have knowledge of good and bad so that they will be able to put their freewill in check in this case. Jehovah must be sick in the head for forgetting to including knowledge(of good and bad) with freewill for Adam and Eve.

sonmvayina:


So God deceived them?.. What did God tell them the Messiah was coming to accomplish?

OtemAtum:
Kobojunkie, you who believe in freewill, why are you suddenly not believing in freewill for Adam and Eve anymore.

kingxsamz:
Wait o...
If Adam and Eve did bad by eating the fruit, why did god now punish them since they never had the knowledge of good and bad?
How would they have known that disobeying God by eating the fruit would be bad since they can't tell good from bad?

Kobojunkie:
Oh, I believe there is freewill as is defined in the beginning which allows us to execute simple commands such as the one which I posted. Any other kind of freewill i.e. the kind defined in doctrines of men and the lot, NO, I do not.
So where in the Bible is the freewill which you refer to defined, so we can both be on the same page on this?

OtemAtum:
I am coming, let me do a search engine work on your moniker to see if you are one of those who have used freewill to justify Jehovah's foolishness in the past. If you happen to have used it before eeh .... I am coming for you

OtemAtum:

In the BibleEdit

The biblical ground for free will lies in the fall into sin by Adam and Eve that occurred in their "willfully chosen" disobedience to God.[11]

"Freedom" and "free will" can be treated as one because the two terms are commonly used as synonyms.[12] However, there are widespread disagreements in definitions of the two terms.[13] Because of these disagreements, Mortimer Adler found that a delineation of three kinds of freedom is necessary for clarity on the subject, as follows:

(1) Circumstantial freedom is "freedom from coercion or restraint" that prevents acting as one wills.[14]

In the Bible, circumstantial freedom was given to the Israelites in The Exodus from slavery in Egypt.[15]

(2) Natural freedom (a.k.a. volitional freedom) is freedom to determine one's own "decisions or plans." Natural freedom is inherent in all people, in all circumstances, and "without regard to any state of mind or character which they may or may not acquire in the course of their lives."[16]

The Bible, paralleling Adler, views all humanity as naturally possessing the "free choice of the will."[17] If "free will" is taken to mean unconstrained and voluntary choice, the Bible assumes that all people, unregenerate and regenerate, possess it.[18] For examples, "free will" is taught in Matthew 23:37 and Revelation 22:17.[19][clarification needed]

(3) Acquired freedom is freedom "to live as [one] ought to live," a freedom that requires a transformation whereby a person acquires a righteous, holy, healthy, etc. "state of mind or character."[20]

The Bible testifies to the need for acquired freedom because no one "is free for obedience and faith till he is freed from sin's dominion." People possess natural freedom but their "voluntary choices" serve sin until they acquire freedom from "sin's dominion." The New Bible Dictionary denotes this acquired freedom for "obedience and faith" as "free will" in a theological sense.[18] Therefore, in biblical thinking, an acquired freedom from being "enslaved to sin" is needed "to live up to Jesus' commandments to love God and love neighbor."[21]
Jesus told his hearers that they needed to be made "free indeed" (John 8:36). "Free indeed [ontós]" means "truly free" or "really free," as it is in some translations.[22] Being made "free indeed" means freedom from "bondage to sin."[23] This acquired freedom is "freedom to serve the Lord."[24] Being "free indeed" (i.e., true freedom) comes by "God's changing our nature" to free us from being "slaves to sin." and endowing us with "the freedom to choose to be righteous."
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_will_in_theology

Kobojunkie:
Do you need the knowledge of Good and Evil to obey a simple instruction such as " Do' A Not B' "?

Kobojunkie:
And therein lies the problem.
The question again was...

From before the fall, we see that man was quite able to execute the simple command given to him. He had the ability to choose and did just that for all the period he, Man, did before the fall happened. Even without the knowledge of good and evil, he was quite able and capable to handle the instruction given to him. So, the answer is NO, man did not need the knowledge of good and evil in order to carry out the simple command that was given to him.

OtemAtum:
In your practical life, growing up, have you touched fire before, maybe as a child? When it burnt you , didn't you realise that fire is not good to be touched? Then after then, you started avoiding touching fire. That's what it means to have the knowledge of good and bad. But I'm still amazed for your outright denial of freewill which you even advocated for in that post I brought on here. This is called 'shifting the goalpost'.

OtemAtum:
In your practical life, growing up, have you touched fire before, maybe as a child? When it burnt you, didn't you realise that fire is not good to be touched? Then after then, you started avoiding touching fire. That's what it means to have the knowledge of good and bad. But I'm still amazed for your outright denial of freewill which you even advocated for in that post I brought on here. This is called 'shifting the goalpost'.

MistadeRegal:


Disobedience.
That were carried away by the sight and appearance of the forbidden fruit just as it is today likewise.
After they consumed the fruit, below quote happened:

Genesis 3:6-7 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

Kobojunkie:
Where you told that there was indeed freewill or did you hear of this from the mouth of others and are pretending you can spew that back at me in some sensible manner?

Again.... does a system require thorough knowledge of good and evil in order to execute the command was simple Do { A NOT B }?

WizzyVine:


Before eating the fruit, they could only do good and only good. After eating it, they could now do good and evil. The result was that Cain killed Abel, and today, man loves to do evil than to do good- an adverse effect of the fruit that Adam ate.

kingxsamz:


So they knew good and bad after eating the fruit? Yes or no?

kingxsamz:



Abeg stop contradicting yourself jor.
You said they could only do good before eating the fruit, and at the sane time, you're saying they had freewill. So if they could only do good Where's the freewill to do bad, how come they still disobeyed?
And you and I know that they neither had the knowledge of good and evil, so how was eating the fruit their fault, even though God saw it before it happened?

Kobojunkie:
Has man not now acquired the knowledge of Good and Evil? Has man learned to make better choices as a result?
What does that tell you? That the absence of the Knowledge of Good and Evil was the original problem?
Come on!!