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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by FRANKOSKI(m): 7:58pm On Aug 02, 2020
YOU ARE AT RISK OF BEING KILLED THATS WHY YOU DIDN'T TELL ALL. WHAT IS EYE OF HORUS DOING THERE? is it just an art or logo?
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 8:02pm On Aug 02, 2020
benji93:
I am sorry, but it's an error to say there were errors in the old testament. It's akin to saying God wasn't in his right senses when he established those laws. Although i certainly believe that the rules that apply may change from time to time, which is usually a function of humans and the perpetual love of God for us- We are addicted to flouting rules laid down. This is confirmed by John 3 vs 16. Now your last sentence is a serious error as well. You mentioned that the death of christ put an end to the lighting of the candles. We know that Christ died for the atonement of our sins, so it means anything that was previously done by the Isrealites for the atonement such as animal sacrifice is redundant.This doesn't even mean it's wrong to do it, but it means you are no longer bound to it. So the question is were the lighting of candles part of atonement? The answer is No. You definitely need to read your bible well. The lighting of candles was particularly part of worship. I would say though that the fact that the Isrealites did certain things does not mean we should do them. It was given to them as part of their covenant with God. So if you apply them you may not receive the blessings promised. However if the holy spirit directs you to incorporate so so so and so into your worship as part of a covenant which is the case in CCC, then as a member of that fold you must do it to reap the blessings thereof. And God in his infinte wisdom can reenact whatever rule, however he pleases in whichever dispensation. His thoughts are not our thoughts neither his ways our ways. God chose Abraham, and subsequently his decendants. Does it mean Abraham was the only one who worshipped God? We may never know cos there was no such discussion, unless the holy spirit reveals it. God does whatever pleases him. You can argue from today to tomorrow on what you think the bible is saying, and you are definitely within your rights to argue it, i nwhich case you may be partially incorrect. It's what you know. God uses people differently. He may use one one way, and another a different way. You all seem to think there's a well defined template for christians. No there isn't. There are definitely certain basic principles that a christian must abide by. And especially, if the Bible instructs you not to do something then you mustn't do it. The Bible is silent on some matters. But the fact that something wasn't mentioned in the bible doesn't mean it's wrong. So the statement that the Bible doesn't say you can do something doesn't mean it's wrong. That's why the holy spirit is important to our existense. If you are faced with issues not resolved definitivley in the bible seek the direction of the holyspirit. If the Spirit of God directs some people to worship in a certain way, so be it. May the spirit of God guide us.


You are speaking by your thoughts and reasoning matters based on just human reasoning but I spoke what God's word says.

Try read the Bible to understand what the Bible says for proper and better understanding of the position of the Bible.

Please, read Hebrews 8:7 to have a better understanding.

So, can you see that what you typed does not hold anything or reasoning?

Understand that there are many things to go with the Old when the new came into operation.

God uses people differently but does not go against what the Bible clearly has corrected. Holyspirit does not contradict the word of God rather He gives more understanding as to God's word.

Please, read your Bible well as you seem to operate on reasoning. When you dig deep into what God's word says you will have a better understanding.

I have not told you anything outside God's word.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 8:03pm On Aug 02, 2020
babaolofin:


From my research, celestial members don't 'secretly' attend Pentecostal, mind the word 'secretly'. They attend without shame and restriction. Pentecostal don't want people to know or see them at Celestial Church. They come secretly when they have tough issues only to return to Pentecostal Church to give testimonies.

When I was working at a call center and had Tuesdays and Thursdays as off days. I will go to my parish to help write scripts of spiritual messages for those who came to hear from God...I had a very good handwriting and used it for Gods work.

90 percent of our guests were people from other churches who were non Celestians. I can not count the number of pentecostal Pastors that come and will open their mouth in surprise as the kneel before the prophet Prophet greets them with "my servant" how are you doing?

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Zoey95: 8:04pm On Aug 02, 2020
one thing I can't do is to argue with poeple about my church, reason being that I don't have to prove the beauty of it because God in his mightiness is already fighting for his Church, the more you criticize and say all manner of things the more the church is vast growing spiritually. " Celestial church is the church the only one in which Christ dwell, my heart longs everytime to abide with the lord always" CCC hymnals 529.......

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by MejiLoyon(m): 8:05pm On Aug 02, 2020
blackboy2star:
For real?

Yes... Lol
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 8:06pm On Aug 02, 2020
Nauttyprof:



You are speaking by your thoughts and reasoning matters based on just human reasoning but I spoke what God's word says.

Try read the Bible to understand what the Bible says for proper and better understanding of the position of the Bible.

Please, read Hebrews 8:7 to have a better understanding.

So, can you see that what you typed does not hold anything or reasoning?

Understand that there are many things to go with the Old when the new came into operation.

God uses people differently but does not go against what the Bible clearly has corrected. Holyspirit does not contradict the word of God rather He gives more understanding as to God's word.

Please, read your Bible well as you seem to operate on reasoning. When you dig deep into what God's word says you will have a better understanding.

I have not told you anything outside God's word.

First thing I want to ask you is this.

What exactly is the Old Testament and what is the New Testament. What do they mean to you?

Let's start from this basic and educate ourselves as we proceed.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by ugofulfilled(m): 8:08pm On Aug 02, 2020
Flier:
My brain is programmed to pick a race anytime i see a lady from white germent church grin grin grin
I dont want a situation where a lady would check my destiny before marrying me and tie me down if my future is bright

Did you say"if" your future... Ogbeni you funny gan. Anyway Happy Sunday.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by ugaby: 8:08pm On Aug 02, 2020
Built2last:
I have a problem with number 6 and 10.

Why use candle at all when its celestial church of CHRIST. I never came accross an passage in the bible where Jesus told us to light a candle to pray. All churches that use candles or incense are fetish.

The bible is the rule book of christianity

Number 10 you said if you leave and talk harshly bad things may happen to the person. People talk harshly about our Lord Jesus everyday. He doesn't harm them because He is love. If atheists repents and come to Christ, with open arms He receives them. What then is a church that claims to be christ like doing with harshly making things bad for leavers. That's not God.

I have never entered a white garment church before and will never enter one. Their activities do not match what I read in my bible daily.

Your logo contains ONE EYE. You brandish the cross everytime. Jesus is no longer on the cross. He went to the cross not by choice but by Roman soldiers. Why do some churches hold the cross tightly and ignore the grave. Is the grave not as important as the cross. We dont need the cross or the grave or any symbol.

Jesus never told us to hold on to any of that or make reference to it.

Accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Believe in your heart, confess with your mouth and let God see that in your lifestyle. Period.

Christianity is simple. We just want to make it complicated.

Book of Revelation 1-12 made us to understand that Seven candle sticks stands for seven spirit of God,

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by benji93: 8:08pm On Aug 02, 2020
You don't seem to udnerstand what contradiction means. I implore you to bring up anything that CCC does in which case the Bible says don't do it. Now if you know any then that's a contradiction. We could therefore discuss what you think is contradictory regarding this. Note i am not referring to issues the Bible didn't resolve. And it's not for you to say that the Apostles would have mentioned them. It has to be revealed to you for you to mention it. The New testament was written by different people. Some where historical, as in the Gospels- in relation to the teachings of Jusus, and others were with respect to how a christian should live their lives. Why were there different apostles and prophets? I mean i could say only one prohet is needed. To different Eras and people are different issues in the Church, and the apostles as directed therefore laid emphasis on resolving these issues. It's erroneous to say the Apostles should have mentioned it. In fact perhaps there were, but the Apostles didn't deem them ungodly, and so didn't mention them. How about that? If the bible instructs me to do something or not do something and i don't do it or do it respectively, that's a problem and ungodly.
Nauttyprof:


No Sir, God is not the Author of confusion. His spirit, the Holy spirit will never contradict Himself (reference to His word)

Holyspirit will never go against God's word and create a new practice. New practices that contradicts the word of God CAN NEVER be given by the Holy spirit.

If you believed there was more to Christian practices then, the Apostles would have talked about them if they were omitted from Christ teachings.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 8:09pm On Aug 02, 2020
otipoju:


First thing I want to ask you is this.

What exactly is the Old Testament and what is the New Testament. What do they mean to you?

Let's start from this basic and educate ourselves as we proceed.

You don't need to ask. The Bible has everything about the Old and the New.

Did you read the Bible verse I typed? Read that and do more research? Ask questions when reading the Bible and the Holy spirit will guide you on the truth.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by ugaby: 8:10pm On Aug 02, 2020
loneprof:
All I can say is that white garment 'churches' have long been infiltrated and some pentecostal 'churches' are now toeing that path as well, but God will keep exposing evil doers. I just know that no man can deceive this God on judgement day.

The true church of Christ consists of those who worship in spirit and in truth, let everyone keep playing mumbo jumbo...
God Bless you

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 8:11pm On Aug 02, 2020
benji93:
You don't seem to udnerstand what contradiction means. I implore you to bring up anything that CCC does in which case the Bible says don't do it. Now if you know any then that's a contradiction. We could therefore discuss what you think is contradictory regarding this. Note i am not referring to issues the Bible didn't resolve. And it's not for you to say that the Apostles would have mentioned them. It has to be revealed to you for you to mention it. The New testament was written by different people. Some where historical, as in the Gospels- in relation to the teachings of Jusus, and others were with respect to how a christian should live their lives. Why were there different apostles and prophets? I mean i could say only one prohet is needed. To different Eras and people are different issues in the Church, and the apostles as directed therefore laid emphasis on resolving these issues. It's erroneous to say the Apostles should have mentioned it. In fact perhaps there were, but the Apostles didn't deem them ungodly, and so didn't mention them. How about that? If the bible instructs me to do something or not do something and i don't do it or do it respectively, that's a problem and ungodly.

When the finished works of Christ put an end to practices in the old, are you saying that His Holyspirit will teach otherwise?

Please, read your Bible as you are operating based on reasoning. You shall know the truth and the truth will set you free.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Rigel95(m): 8:16pm On Aug 02, 2020
azpekuliar:
My father is a staunch, devoted Seventh-Day Adventist for over 35 years. He has told us that members of these white garment Aladura churches will get to heaven before we Adventists.

I have never known my father to be a flippant person especially when it comes to matters of religion.
He knows the rot going on in SDA that's why he said so. Pastors openly fighting one another. One conference battling another...
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Brushstrokes20: 8:20pm On Aug 02, 2020
I once dated a cele lady and the aftermath is better imagined than experienced.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by kenny714433(m): 8:21pm On Aug 02, 2020
See how these hypocrites condemn the Old Testament. They just do so because that's what their pastors have taught them to do. Ok, why don't you condemn Tithing since it's of the Old Testament origin?


Would there be New Testament without the old? Wasn't Jesus the second Adam? Why then should the first Adam be thrashed?

The two Testaments are related, Jesus did not condemn it but corrected the Mosaic laws.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Zoey95: 8:24pm On Aug 02, 2020
let me tell you a little story that led to CCC been part of CAN. some years back in the late 70's they were critics that celestial wasn't a church of Christ they were fetish this and that, then Pope came all the way from rome, and demanded to see Pastor founder SBJ Oschoffa, then they set an open air crusade at TBS onikan, Lagos at the arrival of the Pastor founder Pope stood up from where he was sitted and approached papa Oschoffa to the amazement of the CAN officials and embraced him and greeted him and He said in his words This is a true man of God with the mandate of Holy spirit. then the song came up "if the whole world rise against us, they must bow before the Lord, ye the children of celestial church rise and praise the Lord. halleluyah is our song, halleluyah is in our worship. if the whole world likes it or not they will bow before the lord.

this I say the more you criticize the body of Christ and it's church the more it's wax stronger in spirit and in strength. if you doubt come to Imeko- Ogun state and see for yourself. feel free to bash me. IDC.... Halleluyah o!!!!

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by SmellingAnus(m): 8:25pm On Aug 02, 2020
Tango123:



Op, thank you for saying the truth about number 10, and for including it.

However, how much did this number 10 influence what u said above.
Honestly it didn't... I actually took note of it while I was still a member... There are many persons that suffered from it... Some of them had to come back to Cele for things to be okay... Most important lesson I learnt was never to wrongly accuse Cele of what it is not...

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by smogup: 8:26pm On Aug 02, 2020
SOFTDRINK:


You just had to threaten us with this last line?


'unbiased summary' my foot. He is just scared to say some negative things about the church so that bad things won't happen to him.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 8:26pm On Aug 02, 2020
Zoey95:
let me tell you a little story that led to CCC been part of CAN. some years back in the late 70's they were critics that celestial wasn't a church of Christ they were fetish this and that, then Pope came all the way from rome, and demanded to see Pastor founder SBJ Oschoffa, then they set an open air crusade at TBS onikan, Lagos at the arrival of the Pastor founder Pope stood up from where he was sitted and approached papa Oschoffa to the amazement of the CAN officials and embraced him and greeted him and He said in his words This is a true man of God with the mandate of Holy spirit. then the song came up "if the whole world rise against us, they must bow before the Lord, ye the children of celestial church rise and praise the Lord. halleluyah is our song, halleluyah is in our worship. if the whole world likes it or not they will bow before the lord.

this I say the more you criticize the body of Christ and it's church the more it's wax stronger in spirit and in strength. if you doubt come to Imeko- Ogun state and see for yourself. feel free to bash me. IDC.... Halleluyah o!!!!

So because Pope rose up mean what?

Kindly explain further
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Heavance(m): 8:26pm On Aug 02, 2020
azpekuliar:
My father is a staunch, devoted Seventh-Day Adventist for over 35 years. He has told us that members of these white garment Aladura churches will get to heaven before we Adventists.

I have never known my father to be a flippant person especially when it comes to matters of religion.
Sorry to say, it doesn't mean your father is right.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by MiddleDimension: 8:27pm On Aug 02, 2020
fratermathy:
Nothing is wrong with Cele. I have attended the church and those who are sensitive to spiritual vibrations would quickly realise that something is right with the church. From the symbolism of items such as palmfronds, candle, incense, water, coconut, etc, to the beautiful songs which contain divine sounds. One of the songs I enjoy most in Cele is this one:

"Ya-ra/ sa-ma / ya-raaaa / sa-ma-tha".

It changes the atmosphere and you can almost see the holy of holies descending there and then.

Oshoffa had a clear apostolic mandate but many of the succeeding leaders tampered with that madate.

In my final analysis, Celestial Church is, like any other church, a place where Christians can worship God. The only difference is that the Church emphasises the gifts of the holy spirit, focuses a lot on the old testament, and has a whole lot of spiritual dynamics which many orthodox Christians may never understand.


At the end of the day, there are good Christians and pastors/prophets and there are also bad ones. This is the same with every other church!

a pentecostal church is that one that focuses on the gift of the holy spirit especially speaking in tongues healing and vision. you agree cele is a pentecostal church, right?
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by babaolofin: 8:28pm On Aug 02, 2020
Nauttyprof:


Your research was only carried out in your room.

Infact I have met several Cele members in pentecostal programmes who 'secretly' do this.

What testimonies? Don't be biased as I have also seen Cele members give testimonies in pentecostals and also say how they didn't get their miracles in Cele

Research and analysis are done to obtain results based on set criteria and not for online rantings or irrational discussion.

Those online know who is right.

A General Overseer of a very big Pentecostal Church once directed a very rich and prominent member of his Church to return a very big offering used as Thanksgiving Offering in his Church to a Celestial Church Prophet/Shepherd where such miracle was secretly received. About two weeks ago, I was opportuned to meet an old man who is a Senior Prophet who followed the Prophet to see the GO of this very big Pentecostal Church on invitation. What transpired baffled me.
Some of the unbelievable testimonies you hear are actually after several prophetic works from the Celestial Church. Amen, I received it don't just work like that for some issues.

In Nigeria today, despite division and factions that came out of Celestial Church, if the main Celestial Church have projects running to many billions of Naira, there are several people - Captains of Industries, politicians and other people in different sectors of economy that will foot the bill. These people are not seen publicly with Celestial Church, but they are patrons of the Church.

I close my case.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by chelsea04(m): 8:31pm On Aug 02, 2020
As them they were white u think say na holliness not knwing its opposite,na their immorality full pass, in fornication,lesbians,bobrisky,etc
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 8:31pm On Aug 02, 2020
babaolofin:


Research and analysis are done to obtain results based on set criteria and not for online rantings or irrational discussion.

Those online know who is right. A General Overseer of a very big Pentecostal Church once directed a member to return a very big offering used as Thanksgiving Offering to a Celestial Church Prophet/Shepherd where such miracle was received. About two weeks ago, I was opportuned to meet an old man who is a Senior Prophet who followed the Prophet to see the GO of this very big Pentecostal Church on invitation. What transpired baffled me.
Some of the unbelievable testimonies you hear are actually after several prophetic works from the Celestial Church. Amen, I received it don't just work like that for some issues.

In Nigeria today, despite division and factions that came out of Celestial Church, if the main Celestial Church have projects running to many billions of Naira, there are several people - Captains of Industries, politicians and other people in different sectors of economy that will foot the bill. These people are not seen publicly with Celestial Church, but they are patrons of the Church.

I close my case.

This does not in anyway confirm anything. Even Ifa gatherings, egungun festivals are sponsored by big politicians and personalities in the society. Same way they are patrons of Ifa and egungun too
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by benji93: 8:32pm On Aug 02, 2020
I could say your opinion is based on your thougts and reasoning as well. Hebrew 8 vs 7 says if there had been nothing wrong with the first covenant, there wouldn't have been a new one. The question is the first covenant was wrong with respect to what? Verse 8 says, but God found fault with the people, so humans are part of the reason. The laws were made for us. Vs 13 says by calling the new covenant new, he has made tho old obsolete. Obsolete doesn't mean wrong. It means you are no longer bound to it.
And yes there are many things that became obsolete when the new covenant came. The question is which. In your previous post you mentioned that candles were part of them and i say that's erroneous. That's not the position of the Bible. I would appreciate it if you can provided a passage that say's it's one of it.

You keep regurgitating the same things. I clearly now understand what the problem is. We are definitely not on the same page with regards to what has been corrected. I state in all confidence that there was no correction with respect to the use of candles as done by the Isrealites. I would like you to provide a passage that says the use of candlessticks e.t.c. Note that i am definitely not talking about animal sacrifice, cos it's True the new covenant renders that Obsolete. You seem you think you know a lot, but that depth is lacking, honestly. And you are using words inapproiately. You say you should not go against, but it can only be said that you have gone against a principle if the principles entails don't do something and you do it or it says definitively do something and you refuse to do it. If the Bible doesn't talk about an issue, it's within your discretion and in accordance to the holy spirit.
Nauttyprof:



You are speaking by your thoughts and reasoning matters based on just human reasoning but I spoke what God's word says.

Try read the Bible to understand what the Bible says for proper and better understanding of the position of the Bible.

Please, read Hebrews 8:7 to have a better understanding.

So, can you see that what you typed does not hold anything or reasoning?

Understand that there are many things to go with the Old when the new came into operation.

God uses people differently but does not go against what the Bible clearly has corrected. Holyspirit does not contradict the word of God rather He gives more understanding as to God's word.

Please, read your Bible well as you seem to operate on reasoning. When you dig deep into what God's word says you will have a better understanding.

I have not told you anything outside God's word.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Zoey95: 8:33pm On Aug 02, 2020
Nauttyprof:


So because Pope rose up mean what?

Kindly explain further

Christian association of Nigeria were critiszing the church and the poor was invited, telling the pope that CCC is a devils church and it's fetish just like every other person are saying it. but for the Glory of God to shine when the Pope came and met Papa Oschoffa in TBS the Pope stood up from his sit. this to the amazement of CAN.

all am just pointing out is CCC has been critisize since from the birth of the church but instead of it to go down it keeps on growing.

if you want to know more about the historical happens in the church mail me up and we talk in detail.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 8:34pm On Aug 02, 2020
Zoey95:


Christian association of Nigeria were critiszing the church and the poor was invited, telling the pope that CCC is a devils church and it's fetish just like every other person are saying it. but for the Glory of God to shine when the Pope came and met Papa Oschoffa in TBS the Pope stood up from his sit. this to the amazement of CAN.

all am just pointing out is CCC has been critisize since from the birth of the church but instead of it to go down it keeps on growing.

Okay
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by fratermathy(m): 8:35pm On Aug 02, 2020
MiddleDimension:


a pentecostal church is that one that focuses on the gift of the holy spirit especially speaking in tongues healing and vision. you agree cele is a pentecostal church, right?

It is a pentecostal church but devoid of many elements of conventional pentecostalism. It is more precisely an Aladura church and shares features with other member churches of the Aladura movement.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by MiddleDimension: 8:39pm On Aug 02, 2020
fratermathy:


It is a pentecostal church but devoid of many elements of conventional pentecostalism. It is more precisely an Aladura church and shares features with other member churches of the Aladura movement.

i heard they do mysticism more than many churches around
i really hope you are doing well reading some comments here.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by benji93: 8:40pm On Aug 02, 2020
While it's true that other pentecostal churches and Cele have the gift of the holy spirit thing in common, in which even they are different in the the gifts operate, i wouldn't call CCC a pentecostal church if your definition of pentecostal is what is seen in the RCCGs, Living Faith e.t.c, cos CCC is diffewrent with repsect to a lot of other things. Now if your definition of pentecostal stops at the manifestation of the gifts of the holy spirit, as mentioned in the Bible, then yes.
MiddleDimension:


a pentecostal church is that one that focuses on the gift of the holy spirit especially speaking in tongues healing and vision. you agree cele is a pentecostal church, right?
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by babaolofin: 8:41pm On Aug 02, 2020
otipoju:


First thing I want to ask you is this.

What exactly is the Old Testament and what is the New Testament. What do they mean to you?

Let's start from this basic and educate ourselves as we proceed.

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