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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by blackfase(m): 10:27pm On Aug 02, 2020
You said it all! just the way it is. People seem to have this damned and bias stereotype about the Celestial church without actually knowing some intrinsics about it.

Ex Celestial member...(still one at heart)

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by sgogungbe: 10:30pm On Aug 02, 2020
[the write said it all, all churches as good and bad pastor /shepherd, not all celestial shepherd the bad ones make it look like evil church. quote author=dalass post=92384087]

There is a particular branch of your Church that does special programs for Yahoo boys where they bring laptops and special prayers offered so that maga will pay... Oloshos too plenty for cele...

Oschoffa may have started well. Most nowadays are just using jazz as well as seven books of Moses to extort people[/quote]

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by noble2faith(m): 10:34pm On Aug 02, 2020
Nauttyprof and others .. It is of no use arguing with those guys. From their comments, I could deduce that they are not ready to accept the biblical truth. They are the type that are being spoon-fed with heresies, without verifying from the Bible. They accept everything their shepherds/pastors give to them hook, line and sinker.

I was born into Celestial Church. Out of my siblings, I was the first person that left the church. My being so close to the Bible enlightened me. I left the church during my teenage years. I observed that most of their doctrines might be biblical but they are unchristian. Calling the name of Angel Michael when praying is absolutely unbiblical. Angel Michael is never part of the Trinity.

My elder bro had left too. He witnessed something shocking when he was attending a Celestial Church in his locality. He shared the experience with me and I wasn't surprised when I heard it. I will not share it here. Mind you this my bro was a very dogged person in Celestial but he eventually left the church.

As for my other siblings that are still attending the church, one thing I observe about them, even in Celestial Church members, they don't have good knowledge about the Bible. Hardly you see them studying the Bible. This is the reason they don't know that most of their practices/doctrines are unchristian.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by noble2faith(m): 10:38pm On Aug 02, 2020
ugaby:


Book of Revelation 1-12 made us to understand that Seven candle sticks stands for seven spirit of God,

Just imagine what this one just said! It shows he/she doesn't understand the Bible.

That is to say you are viewing the seven candle sticks from literal angle.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 10:41pm On Aug 02, 2020
Nauttyprof:


I hope you read my comment to his post and saw that I never argued with him.

What you just did is the act of manipulation to gain support to your side. You based your argument on practices you believe in and reasoning on the subject matter without trying to dig deep.

If you must know, I spent over 12 years in Cele and this was during the times, Rev. Bada was alive. He even attended the church I once attended. So, you know that I was a member of Cele when the practice was sincere and even deep back then and not that I am typing just anyhow.

I had to dig deep into the word of God to have more insight as to things and the same Holyspirit you keep mentioning without any Biblical backup showed me things that were wrong.

I have shown you the Bible Hebrews 8:1-13.

Every instruction as to the use of Candle and incense in the tabernacle came to Moses from God but Hebrew 8 then came back to the same details given to Moses as to tabernacle that a new tabernacle better than the old has come to stay and also to put an end to the old.

No more priest rendering these services anymore as we now have a Higher Priest.

You don't seem to understand the Bible because if you do, you will understand that knowledge is progressive and never stagnant.

The more we get closer to God, the better we get insight to what God wants us to know.

I am not in anyway perfect but be open to change. Direct access to God was what Christ perfected for us by abolishing all old testament practices and tabernacle experiences.

Do take time to read the Bible than stick to old knowledge and allow the Holy spirit to give you personal insight. Should I say that God can speak with you directly too so you understand right from wrong.

Till you give room for the Holyspirit before you learn more and know more.

I am not a preacher of denomination as none of these exist in Heaven and I am neither a supporter of one G. O or Man of God, I base all on WHAT DOES THE BIBLE SAYS? I go back to search the scripture to understand God's mind.

God is looking for true worshippers and not practices. So, get it right when I make known certain things as we just need to be heavenly conscious and not being a supporter of one practice or the other even when it's root is gone.

Ijo mimo will never take us to heaven, neither ANY OTHER CHURCH here on earth. Only Christ and being His disciple will take us to heaven and of course, grace applies.

May the grace of our Lord, Jesus Christ be with us all.

How is it that in the book of Revelation when John was shown a vision of the heavens and the end of the ages, as he was imprisoned on the island of Patmos...The altar IS there. Incense burning IS there. Bowing heads down in worship IS there. The redeemed dressed in white robes IS there.
Because what was shown to Moses to copy centuries before Jesus Christ was born on earth is the same place John was shown in the beginning.

As it was in the beginning , it is now and ever shall be.

Those things exist independent of the testaments/covenants God entered into with the Israelites on the mountain and the new testament he entered into with believers in the salvific work of Christ by his death and resurrection.

Moses copied what was he was shown in heaven. The alter of God existed before God entered into the old mosaic covenant with the Israelites, it was existing while he made the new covenant with those who would believe in christ and forever continues to exist even after the new covenant

It is independent of it.

A lot of you say things you guys say are what you either half understand or dont even have a clue about.

What exactly do you mean when you say you worship God? What exactly is a practice? It means something you do repeatedly isnt it? Now Jesus broke bread and told his disciples to do it in memory of him...the continued observance of this act by Christian's is it not a religious practice where God is worshipped?

Now if worship and religious practices are inseparable how then can you say God wants you to worship him and not carry out religious practices.?

What if I tell you Jesus Christ had long been visiting planet earth and helping the Israelites in battle, commanding the spiritual army long before the appointed time for him to be born in a manger as a child
Read Joshua chapter 5 for this info. We know it was him because Angel's do not accept the worship from man as evidenced by bowing of heads down to the ground in (Revelation 19:10 and 22:8–9).

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Daniwak: 11:20pm On Aug 02, 2020
fratermathy:
Nothing is wrong with Cele. I have attended the church and those who are sensitive to spiritual vibrations would quickly realise that something is right with the church. From the symbolism of items such as palmfronds, candle, incense, water, coconut, etc, to the beautiful songs which contain divine sounds. One of the songs I enjoy most in Cele is this one:

"Ya-ra/ sa-ma / ya-raaaa / sa-ma-tha".

It changes the atmosphere and you can almost see the holy of holies descending there and then.

Oshoffa had a clear apostolic mandate but many of the succeeding leaders tampered with that madate.

In my final analysis, Celestial Church is, like any other church, a place where Christians can worship God. The only difference is that the Church emphasises the gifts of the holy spirit, focuses a lot on the old testament, and has a whole lot of spiritual dynamics which many orthodox Christians may never understand.


At the end of the day, there are good Christians and pastors/prophets and there are also bad ones. This is the same with every other church!
so wat is the meaning of Ya-ra/ sa-ma / ya-raaaa / sa-ma-tha? Abi u just follow dem day sing
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Jimbadly: 11:46pm On Aug 02, 2020
aremuforlife:

You failed to understand what the op meant, but choose to believe what you want to believe. You left denomination to another, you dont need to condemn them but leave them with their God.
There is a designated angel assigned to you while in the fold, when you left the fold, the angel will also depart from you.
Ccc
C&s
Are not churches without path, they have doctrines to be followed, they have rules and regulations to be followed, they have do and don't.

Maybe you meant to say that there is a demon attached to each member of the church. undecided

Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Emilokoiyawon: 12:13am On Aug 03, 2020
AfonjaBoston:
I like the big, round, fat buttocks of their women Especially the ones you can see their underwear and thick laps when they are shaking it.

cheesy See brother wey like better thing cheesy
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Zenlife: 12:19am On Aug 03, 2020
... sorry lots!
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by doggedfighter(f): 1:02am On Aug 03, 2020
Olarewaju89:
Ok

My being alive and healthy today is as a result of none other than the almighty God. I'll forever be grateful to you, God. Happy birthday to myself. On my special day, I wish myself happiness and great accomplishments in the coming year.


grin grin
happy birthday to you,dear. live long and prosper.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Olarewaju89: 1:04am On Aug 03, 2020
doggedfighter:

happy birthday to you,dear. live long and prosper.

Wow! Thank you so much dear. grin

But it being a while, hope all is well?
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 1:06am On Aug 03, 2020
Nauttyprof:


Well, this is biased. You of all people should know that Cele is not an exemption in this.

They believe since they are the last boat, they are the only acceptable denomination while the pentecostal are referred to as 'Amen' church. Isn't this a biased and unbiblical act?


This is not true. Last boat yes not the only boat.

SBJ Oschoffa the Pastor/ Founder in a recorded interview when asked this question said that all denominations are like schools that prepare candidates for general exams. All candidates may attend different schools but will sit for the same exam.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by manikspears: 1:36am On Aug 03, 2020
Flier:
My brain is programmed to pick a race anytime i see a lady from white germent church grin grin grin
I dont want a situation where a lady would check my destiny before marrying me and tie me down if my future is bright

Brother ,I was like you,even worse .but if you genuinely fall for a cele girl and the feeling is mutual, please go for it. most of them are better and well trained than penticostal girls who listen to motivational speakers as pastors.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by oshorstan(f): 2:05am On Aug 03, 2020
One of the best churches ever
mumy is a CCC member and no problems.
Her service to God is now mature n she now understand the Bible. That is all they learn there. The shepherd there is a good teacher. One Esan Man from Edo state.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Teachthesekids: 2:26am On Aug 03, 2020
Mihzwhitesutana:
you have still not shown me where it said we shouldn't light candles

Don't mind him, from his argument we should not be paying tithe that those scamming pastors use to scare their church members because it was the old testament things and does not have much bearing in the new testament.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Enemyofpeace: 2:51am On Aug 03, 2020
Rubbish. I ate liars
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by fratermathy(m): 3:18am On Aug 03, 2020
Daniwak:
so wat is the meaning of Ya-ra/ sa-ma / ya-raaaa / sa-ma-tha? Abi u just follow dem day sing

It's just like singing in tongues. Many pentecostal churches speak in tongues too.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 3:38am On Aug 03, 2020
noble2faith:
Nauttyprof and others .. It is of no use arguing with those guys. From their comments, I could deduce that they are not ready to accept the biblical truth. They are the type that are being spoon-fed with heresies, without verifying from the Bible. They accept everything their shepherds/pastors give to them hook, line and sinker.

I was born into Celestial Church. Out of my siblings, I was the first person that left the church. My being so close to the Bible enlightened me. I left the church during my teenage years. I observed that most of their doctrines might be biblical but they are unchristian. Calling the name of Angel Michael when praying is absolutely unbiblical. Angel Michael is never part of the Trinity.

My elder bro had left too. He witnessed something shocking when he was attending a Celestial Church in his locality. He shared the experience with me and I wasn't surprised when I heard it. I will not share it here. Mind you this my bro was a very dogged person in Celestial but he eventually left the church.

As for my other siblings that are still attending the church, one thing I observe about them, even in Celestial Church members, they don't have good knowledge about the Bible. Hardly you see them studying the Bible. This is the reason they don't know that most of their practices/doctrines are unchristian.

This is an open forum bring up your concerns and let us thrash them out here. I dont know what your brother saw but I know it can never be as savage as the Redeemed Pastor that impregnated a young female church member and then hired Assassins to kill her right there on the church premises.

1. Have you ever bothered to ask why the name of Angel Michael is called during prayers. Do you know the biblical basis for that. If yes, does it not make perfect sense to you especially if you remember that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities and rulers of darkness. Also how or what does the Kingdom of God look like in terms of administration? Is Angel Michael ever worshipped or praised in Celestial?

Did I hear you say Cele beliefs are biblical but they are unchristian...how contradictory?

2. Let me hold a mirror to you so that you see yourself. I dont know if you are male or female or wether you are married or not but the question still applies have you ever had premarital sex severally ? I am sure the answer is YES. Is that action biblical and Christian like. Definetely NO...so humble yourself abeg and stop sounding like you have a ench beside God where you sit day and night.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by IlovePMB: 4:11am On Aug 03, 2020
Built2last:
I have a problem with number 6 and 10.

Why use candle at all when its celestial church of CHRIST. I never came accross an passage in the bible where Jesus told us to light a candle to pray. All churches that use candles or incense are fetish.

The bible is the rule book of christianity

Number 10 you said if you leave and talk harshly bad things may happen to the person. People talk harshly about our Lord Jesus everyday. He doesn't harm them because He is love. If atheists repents and come to Christ, with open arms He receives them. What then is a church that claims to be christ like doing with harshly making things bad for leavers. That's not God.

I have never entered a white garment church before and will never enter one. Their activities do not match what I read in my bible daily.

Your logo contains ONE EYE. You brandish the cross everytime. Jesus is no longer on the cross. He went to the cross not by choice but by Roman soldiers. Why do some churches hold the cross tightly and ignore the grave. Is the grave not as important as the cross. We dont need the cross or the grave or any symbol.

Jesus never told us to hold on to any of that or make reference to it.

Accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour. Believe in your heart, confess with your mouth and let God see that in your lifestyle. Period.

Christianity is simple. We just want to make it complicated.

The bolded is antiChrist in nature. Jesus was not forced but came to the world willingly to suffer and die for the atonement of our sins. Without his death and suffering, there would have been no salvation. Don't joke with the cross. That is the symbol and summary of Christ's salvavic mission on earth and the greatest nightmare of the devil. The devil tried stopping it but Christ said get behind me Satan.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 4:19am On Aug 03, 2020
Daniwak:
so wat is the meaning of Ya-ra/ sa-ma / ya-raaaa / sa-ma-tha? Abi u just follow dem day sing

It means:

Kindle the lights
The Holy lights from heaven above.

It is a second song at the beginning of the service and sung for the duration the seven candle sticks on the altar are being lit by the person designated to do so.

The song after that is :

Yah rah man hi ya ra man.
Yah rah man
Yah man Yah ra man .

Translated
Oh come unto the Lord,
Oh come unto the Lord


As the song starts we all kneel down and once it ends, we bow down our heads 3 times in submission to God our creator .

Beautiful sight i tell you.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by aremuforlife(m): 4:25am On Aug 03, 2020
[/quote][quote author=Jimbadly post=92396250]

Maybe you meant to say that there is a demon attached to each member of the church. undecided
You must have been the among the demon giver.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 4:47am On Aug 03, 2020
IlovePMB:


The bolded is antiChrist in nature. Jesus was not forced but came to the world willingly to suffer and die for the atonement of our sins. Without his death and suffering, there would have been no salvation. Don't joke with the cross. That is the symbol and summary of Christ's salvavic mission on earth and the greatest nightmare of the devil. The devil tried stopping it but Christ said get behind me Satan.

Leave them... some people na ITK dey worry them. They think they know something but don't even know the meaning of what they are saying.

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 5:11am On Aug 03, 2020
otipoju:


This is an open forum bring up your concerns and let us thrash them out here. I dont know what your brother saw but I know it can never be as savage as the Redeemed Pastor that impregnated a young female church member and then hired Assassins to kill her right there on the church premises.

1. Have you ever bothered to ask why the name of Angel Michael is called during prayers. Do you know the biblical basis for that. If yes, does it not make perfect sense to you especially if you remember that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities and rulers of darkness. Also how or what does the Kingdom of God look like in terms of administration? Is Angel Michael ever worshipped or praised in Celestial?

Did I hear you say Cele beliefs are biblical but they are unchristian...how contradictory?

2. Let me hold a mirror to you so that you see yourself. I dont know if you are male or female or wether you are married or not but the question still applies have you ever had premarital sex severally ? I am sure the answer is YES. Is that action biblical and Christian like. Definetely NO...so humble yourself abeg and stop sounding like you have a ench beside God where you sit day and night.


Hello, there is no Biblical basis for calling Angel Michael. Michael is a ministering angel to we humans. Bible even confirmed that we shall judge the Angels. How come an Angel to be judged is taken so special in prayers? Asides this, there is no other name given to us which we must pray with except the name of Christ. The New Testament kept emphasising this truth that only Christ name alone shall we pray with because He alone came to reconcile us back to God. Angel Michael did nothing.

Yes, he is right by saying Cele beliefs might be in the Bible but they do not hold as one to be practiced after Christ paid it all with His flesh and blood on Calvary.

Read your Bible you will understand better. Knowledge is progressive and not stagnant.

When we read the Bible and genuinely call on the Holy spirit for interpretation, we will understand better.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 5:14am On Aug 03, 2020
otipoju:



This is not true. Last boat yes not the only boat.

SBJ Oschoffa the Pastor/ Founder in a recorded interview when asked this question said that all denominations are like schools that prepare candidates for general exams. All candidates may attend different schools but will sit for the same exam.

Well, I didn't tell you what I don't know. I am confident of what I typed because I was once a member and I know this when they start with 'you will return back to cele' as this is the only church that saves and not the 'amen' Church. Please, don't come here to appear holy
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 5:15am On Aug 03, 2020
Nauttyprof:



Hello, there is no Biblical basis for calling Angel Michael. Michael is a ministering angel to we humans. Bible even confirmed that we shall judge the Angels. How come an Angel to be judged is taken so special in prayers? Asides this, there is no other name given to us which we must pray with except the name of Christ. The New Testament kept emphasising this truth that only Christ name alone shall we pray with because He alone came to reconcile us back to God. Angel Michael did nothing.

Yes, he is right by saying Cele beliefs might be in the Bible but they do not hold as one to be practiced after Christ paid it all with His flesh and blood on Calvary.

Read your Bible you will understand better. Knowledge is progressive and not stagnant.

When we read the Bible and genuinely call on the Holy spirit for interpretation, we will understand better.


So how do you use your ministering servant? You will just keep quiet and not send him message? We do not worship Michael. Angel Michael is not God or Jesus but he is warrior Angel that leads the order that God has assigned to fighting on behalf of the saints

We call him to his task to make sure that the answer to our prayer is not delayed by whatever angel God sends it through the way Angel Gabriel was delayed by the Devil for 21 days in the book of Daniel after Daniel prayed.

You think we don't know what we are doing abi? Now do Celestians worship and pray to the Holy Spirit...of course YES and we are very careful not to offend him as the guilt is a heavy weight.

And all these you shall judge angels... if angel appear to you know you go fit look him face?

The day I had a vision of Gods heavenly court like Isaiah...I saw my self for the filth that I am. All our righteousness are like filthy rags in his precense.

Abi no be una? Even after Moses died, the Satan was still dragging with Angel Michael over his dead body until Angel Michael rebuked him again in the name of the Lord in Jude 1 verse 9.

Una think sey this world na joke? Wake up people !!!

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Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nobody: 5:23am On Aug 03, 2020
noble2faith:
Nauttyprof and others .. It is of no use arguing with those guys. From their comments, I could deduce that they are not ready to accept the biblical truth. They are the type that are being spoon-fed with heresies, without verifying from the Bible. They accept everything their shepherds/pastors give to them hook, line and sinker.

I was born into Celestial Church. Out of my siblings, I was the first person that left the church. My being so close to the Bible enlightened me. I left the church during my teenage years. I observed that most of their doctrines might be biblical but they are unchristian. Calling the name of Angel Michael when praying is absolutely unbiblical. Angel Michael is never part of the Trinity.

My elder bro had left too. He witnessed something shocking when he was attending a Celestial Church in his locality. He shared the experience with me and I wasn't surprised when I heard it. I will not share it here. Mind you this my bro was a very dogged person in Celestial but he eventually left the church.

As for my other siblings that are still attending the church, one thing I observe about them, even in Celestial Church members, they don't have good knowledge about the Bible. Hardly you see them studying the Bible. This is the reason they don't know that most of their practices/doctrines are unchristian.
I don't know where you worshipped maybe it's the parish but I can clearly tell you most of what you wrote are totally False ...also claiming you understand the Bible and still wrote this is really disappointing ..I don't know the lies you are feed but if truly you want to learn the Bible locate a good Celestial church....or else pray at home for urself and tell God to open ur inner eyes and mind to understand his Word.


Truth is there are Good and bad in all churches,sects and denomination...some people have had bad and awful experience in some bad parishes doesn't mean all celestial church are bad ....

Imagine You were Born in Celestial church and doesn't even understand why Angel Micheal is included in our prayer structure .. are you sure you even read your Bible to Daniel 10

What has your family been doing in Celestial church if you dont understand the church or God in the church
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nobody: 5:29am On Aug 03, 2020
otipoju:


This is an open forum bring up your concerns and let us thrash them out here. I dont know what your brother saw but I know it can never be as savage as the Redeemed Pastor that impregnated a young female church member and then hired Assassins to kill her right there on the church premises.

1. Have you ever bothered to ask why the name of Angel Michael is called during prayers. Do you know the biblical basis for that. If yes, does it not make perfect sense to you especially if you remember that we do not wrestle against flesh and blood but against principalities and rulers of darkness. Also how or what does the Kingdom of God look like in terms of administration? Is Angel Michael ever worshipped or praised in Celestial?

Did I hear you say Cele beliefs are biblical but they are unchristian...how contradictory?

2. Let me hold a mirror to you so that you see yourself. I dont know if you are male or female or wether you are married or not but the question still applies have you ever had premarital sex severally ? I am sure the answer is YES. Is that action biblical and Christian like. Definetely NO...so humble yourself abeg and stop sounding like you have a ench beside God where you sit day and night.

People attack what they dont know .the fact that someone who claims knowledge in the bible is lieing about a church for likes makes you wonder what they have been reading in the bible..

Truth is there are Good and bad in all churches,sects and denomination...some people have had bad and awful experience in some bad parishes doesn't mean all celestial church are bad ....

Imagine You were Born in Celestial church and doesn't even understand why Angel Micheal is included in our prayer structure .. are you sure you even read your Bible to Daniel 10

What has your family been doing in Celestial church if you do g understand the church or God in the church
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 5:35am On Aug 03, 2020
Nauttyprof:


Well, I didn't tell you what I don't know. I am confident of what I typed because I was once a member and I know this when they start with 'you will return back to cele' as this is the only church that saves and not the 'amen' Church. Please, don't come here to appear holy

Lol. Me I have not attended church for two years for valid personal reasons. I explained my reasons to God and look forward to the day I can go to another parish again.

My Dad stopped going to church for like ten years because of church politics, it did not stop him from having his altar at home and praying to God. Nobody disturbed him.

Cele no be cult ooo abeg. If you no come nobody send you message.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 5:48am On Aug 03, 2020
otipoju:


How is it that in the book of Revelation when John was shown a vision of the heavens and the end of the ages, as he was imprisoned on the island of Patmos...The altar IS there. Incense burning IS there. Bowing heads down in worship IS there. The redeemed dressed in white robes IS there.
Because what was shown to Moses to copy centuries before Jesus Christ was born on earth is the same place John was shown in the beginning.

As it was in the beginning , it is now and ever shall be.

Those things exist independent of the testaments/covenants God entered into with the Israelites on the mountain and the new testament he entered into with believers in the salvific work of Christ by his death and resurrection.

Moses copied what was he was shown in heaven. The alter of God existed before God entered into the old mosaic covenant with the Israelites, it was existing while he made the new covenant with those who would believe in christ and forever continues to exist even after the new covenant

It is independent of it.

A lot of you say things you guys say are what you either half understand or dont even have a clue about.

What exactly do you mean when you say you worship God? What exactly is a practice? It means something you do repeatedly isnt it? Now Jesus broke bread and told his disciples to do it in memory of him...the continued observance of this act by Christian's is it not a religious practice where God is worshipped?

Now if worship and religious practices are inseparable how then can you say God wants you to worship him and not carry out religious practices.?

What if I tell you Jesus Christ had long been visiting planet earth and helping the Israelites in battle, commanding the spiritual army long before the appointed time for him to be born in a manger as a child
Read Joshua chapter 5 for this info. We know it was him because Angel's do not accept the worship from man as evidenced by bowing of heads down to the ground in (Revelation 19:10 and 22:8–9).

May I let you know that I understand Cele so much and I was once a member when Cele was truly Cele without any of these adulterations coming in. So, I learned so much back then as I was so much devoted.

Thank God you mentioned the redeemed (saints) dressed in white robes. Have ALL CELE MEMBERS attained that status? Or are they operating in heaven here on earth? Remember, it is for everyone saved by grace on the last day and not an instruction to observe here on earth as John would have stated this in the book of Revelation.

Christianity is never a religion in the first place.

In the comment you highlighted, did you read Hebrews 8:1-13. If you read there, did you see where Christ replaced the OLD TABERNACLE and became MINISTER OF THE SANCTUARY, AND OF THE TRUE TABERNACLE? Then, read also how he cancelled the Tabernacle as designed by Moses with specifications given to Him by God in verse 5-8. You will see that God cancelled everything through CHRIST.

As regards the book of Revelations and Candlestick. You should understand that revelations come with right interpretations and understanding. There was nowhere God gave instructions to John who saw the revelation to return to earth and start lighting candles. You should understand that the 7 Candle stick was needed to pass the message about the seven churches and also seven spirits of God as regards the lamp. Same also the incense, it was to bring to one's attention the fact that the prayers of the righteous go before God. Nowhere again would you see emphasis placed on candle and incense or instruction given to carry out on earth after Christ death.

Remember again, it was a revelation and revelation comes with a deeper meaning and not taken literally. Also, John could only write this experience the best way he can.

See how he ended the experience with Revelation 22:5.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by Nauttyprof(m): 5:53am On Aug 03, 2020
otipoju:


Why do you guys avoid bible talk.

I asked you a very simple question to gauge that you even know what you are talking about.

When you say Old Testament and New Testament

What does it mean to you....just gave me a paragraph or two in your own words of what those terms mean to you.

What exactly is the Truth?

You dont quote scripture and run away...come and discuss bible with a Celestian you dey run.

I don't avoid Bible talk. I delight in revealing God's own truth alone. I know what I talk about it is you just defending what you have not taken time to ask questions on.

Study your Bible and not just what you were told. Be like the Berean Christians. Bible recognised them because it has a lesson for us. Ask the Holy spirit to guide you as this is very important to interpret right. He can speak directly to you.

NO CHURCH WILL TAKE YOU TO HEAVEN INCLUDING IJO MIMO.
Re: My Unbiased Summary As A Former Member Of Celestial Church Of Christ... by otipoju(m): 5:55am On Aug 03, 2020
Nauttyprof:


May I let you know that I understand Cele so much and I was once a member when Cele was truly Cele without any of these adulterations coming in. So, I learned so much back then as I was so much devoted.

Thank God you mentioned the redeemed (saints) dressed in white robes. Have ALL CELE MEMBERS attained that status? Or are they operating in heaven here on earth? Remember, it is for everyone saved by grace on the last day and not an instruction to observe here on earth as John would have stated this in the book of Revelation.

Christianity is never a religion in the first place.

In the comment you highlighted, did you read Hebrews 8:1-13. If you read there, did you see where Christ replaced the OLD TABERNACLE and became MINISTER OF THE SANCTUARY, AND OF THE TRUE TABERNACLE? Then, read also how he cancelled the Tabernacle as designed by Moses with specifications given to Him by God in verse 5-8. You will see that God cancelled everything through CHRIST.

As regards the book of Revelations and Candlestick. You should understand that revelations come with right interpretations and understanding. There was nowhere God gave instructions to John who saw the revelation to return to earth and start lighting candles. You should understand that the 7 Candle stick was needed to pass the message about the seven churches and also seven spirits of God as regards the lamp. Same also the incense, it was to bring to one's attention the fact that the prayers of the righteous go before God. Nowhere again would you see emphasis placed on candle and incense or instruction given to carry out on earth after Christ death.

Remember again, it was a revelation and revelation comes with a deeper meaning and not taken literally. Also, John could only write this experience the best way he can.

See how he ended the experience with Revelation 22:5.

You make me laugh. You are saying that some parts of the bible should not be taken for what it is while some should be taken in a different manner.

Okay going by your logic:

Can you show me anywhere in the bible where God told the founder of Redeemed Christan Church of God to name his church by that name?....that name was found in Revelation right.

Or where God told Pastor Kumyyi in the bible to name his church Deeper life.

Or show me in the bible where you are told to use microphones to worship God...in bringing up these because it would sound foolish to you because that is exactly what how your assertions sound to me.

I am mirroring your logic.

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