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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 6:37pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
Peacefullove: How many early Christians writers make FULL quote when quoting scripture? The fact is, everyone can see the COMMA from Cyprian statement except deluded and liar like you. now here you are claiming Everything he said was Directly Quoted @ bold . contrarily you claimed it wasn't a full quote in a previous post You can see the reason I said you lack wisdom! I only presented to you how the COMMA part of "and the three are one" was written in Greek and how the verse 8 part of "and the three are one" was written too. So, if you claim it's from verse 8 then it should be in that form but if it's from the COMMA then it should be in that form. you are confused . Lying liar mouth... I'm still waiting for the source you got your quote from and even claim no ARTICLE "the" before Son and Holy Ghost. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 8:03pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
Emusan: . you already expose your self in the next post am gonna do |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 8:15pm On Aug 14, 2020 |
Emusan: fact remains the quote cannot be the same . Even if your source add the article " THE " , The " OF " wasn't in the verse . The use of Son instead of Word Even exposed your lies.
talk about the Bible, there are many direct quotes from LXX .
You fall for the bait, I was asking where is " OF " in 1John 5:7 u claimed he quoted. is there" OF " before The Father , son or holy ghost ?? this is simply writers expression
thank You! see the quote so according to you in the first quote we have " THE LORD SAYS" and we also have " I and the Father are one " ... one was an expression , the other was a direct quote. hence Wikipedia QUOTE I and the Father are one SPECIALLY ... that got a special quote . In the second instance , ONLY " These three are one" was QUOTED . your argument would mean even the word " The Lord says " was directly picked from the bible , It's just an expression just as Of the Father, The son and the holy ghost are the writers expression.
I believe you have sense to see the colored parts , I even strike some parts to help u... it's say more about this. the writer wasn't quoting 1John 5:7, but a quote from verse 8 just as the expression + the Lord says + which precede I and the Father are one is NOT a Bible quote but the writers expression |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Janosky: 1:13am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: Emusan !!!!!!!!!! It's your identity on this forum, embrace it. Answer the name you give yourself |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Janosky: 1:24am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: Trinity GIBBERISH dey confuse your brain since 19gbidigbidi Only Jehovah knows what you took before posting your conflicting claims |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:41am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Peacefullove: See liar trying to cover up his lies. What is your source, show us so that we can apply see. Your source must be a terrible, corrupt and dishonesty one for them to twist the statement that way. So I'm still waiting for your source. talk about the Bible, there are many direct quotes from LXX . But is there ALLUSION also? If yes! Does that mean it's just their expression or still quote? You fall for the bait, I was asking where is " OF " in 1John 5:7 u claimed he quoted. is there" OF " before The Father , son or holy ghost ?? this is simply writers expression Fraudster... "IT IS WRITTEN OF The Father, of the Son, and The Holy Ghost..." thank You! see the quote That's why you'll remain liar forever. I know you lack basic English "IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..." Which means the three names have been linked with "AND THESE THERE ARE ONE" That's the reason your fraudulent source put "IT IS WRITTEN" after "of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost" in other to change the narrative. your argument would mean even the word " The Lord says " was directly picked from the bible , It's just an expression just as Of the Father, The son and the holy ghost are the writers expression. It was never an expression stop lying... This is simple English and stop disgracing yourself on public forum. "IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..." and verse 8 doesn't have these three names. I believe you have sense to see the colored parts , I even strike some parts to help u... it's say more about this. the writer wasn't quoting 1John 5:7, but a quote from verse 8 just as the expression + the Lord says + which precede I and the Father are one is NOT a Bible quote but the writers expression Does verse 8 mention the THREE PERSONS? You're trying hard to make Cyprian commits theology suicide but using wrong verse for his Trinity support. If comma wasn't existed that time, Cyprian wouldn't have used "IT IS WRITTEN of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost..." Verse 8 is never a reference to the three persons of the Trinity and know one has ever used verse 8 as a prove for Trinity. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:46am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Peacefullove: That's why you couldn't provide your fraudulent source. I'm still waiting for it, and you must provide it. I think I've expressed myself on this, and vibrant English students can see for themselves who is lying here. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 9:47am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan:" oF " didn't even appear in the so called verse, neither did he use Word . I even strike through some of the post to open your eyes You this Fraud .... Is The Lord says part of the John 10:30 quote or Cyprian expression ? 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 9:48am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: The Three persons mentioned are Cyprian expression just as The Lord says was his expression . GET SOME THINKING |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 9:49am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: Even your source could NOT bail you . Where is " OF " in 1John 5:7 ? Where is the Son ?? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 9:53am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan The bold is enough to open the eyes of anyone , In the quote There exist is personal expressions and direct quotes . The direct quotes was in special quotations, The foolery of Emusan on this thread would mean The LORD says which precede the first quote was part of John 10:30 |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:57am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Did Cyprian making DIRECT QUOTE? He said "The Lord says" which means "I and my Father are one" is what the Lord says Further, he said "IT IS WRITTEN of..." which means the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost has been linked with "and these three are one" yet verse 8 isn't about the FATHER, Son, and the Holy Ghost. The point here is that it's only COMMA that linked the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY with "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE" So Cyprian couldn't have quoted verse 8 when the verse isn't about the three persons of the Trinity. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Jozzy4: 9:59am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan:We can even say he was quoting Matthew 28:19'20 where Of the Father , of the son , of the Holy spirit appears. Do you admit there are personal expressions in the quote like peacefullove pointed out ? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 10:01am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Liar, it's not his expression but what was written "OF" is to show where the THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY were mentioned ALL TOGETHER and linked with "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE" Only COMMA has it not verse 8. Only a fraudulent person will link verse 8 with the three persons. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 10:02am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Peacefullove:For the last time Provide your source and let us see. Simple English is worrying you. Go back to primary school. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Jozzy4: 10:03am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: The " OF the son" is more closely related to Matthew 28:19,20 , going by your alluded theory, it's not new for someone to alluded to different quotes in a single statement. Do you notice only these three are one and I and my Father are one are quoted SEPARATELY ? Cc: Peacefullove |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Jozzy4: 10:04am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: Bros calm down |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 10:06am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Jozzy4: Does Matt 28:19-20 have "and these three are one" No personal expression unless to you fraudsters. "IT IS WRITTEN of...." makes it clear that he's just referencing what has already been said. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 10:08am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan:You are the fraudster, so the Lord says is not a personal expression ? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 10:10am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: Linked with pure personal expression, you don't need to link a direct quote |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 10:11am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Jozzy4: Thank you for this . |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 10:16am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Jozzy4: I can see the reason you people are fighting tooth and nail just to discredit Cyprian evidence. And it's just so unfortunate how you people keep exposing your ignorance of simple English. 1. "IT IS WRITTEN" (that is someone has already jolt it done somewhere) 2. OF the Father, of the Son, and Of the Holy Ghost 3. "and these three are one" And the COMMA says: "For there are three who bear witness in heaven, The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, AND THESE THREE ARE ONE" A good student of English can see the wording of COMMA in Cyprian statement except the liars. The verse starts with BEARING WITNESS IN HEAVEN and Cyprian argument wasn't about BEARING WITNESS but centered on where THE THREE PERSONS are said to be ONE. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 10:18am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Peacefullove:Olodo.. The Lord says shows he's repeating what Jesus Christ said and "IT IS WRITTEN" means he's statement was already put down somewhere. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 10:19am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: Personal expressions are in the quote , agree ? Concerning which is written , Check your point 3 , there is a special quote " " If such a verse existed , Cyprian would have directly QUOTE everything rather than a single phrase which occur at verse 8 . |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 10:20am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Peacefullove: You haven't provide your fraudulent source. But it's evident Cyprian isn't quoting verse 8 So we can ask, where was it WRITTEN that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost said to be ONE? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 10:23am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: It means his personal expressions , comprehend ? Can you now admit you lied there was no personal expression in the entire quote ?
That which is written was the one in special quotes . Everything outside those quotes are Cyprian personal expressions |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 10:24am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Peacefullove: No personal expression anywhere. Where is your sources? So where was it WRITTEN that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost was said "AND THE THREE ARE ONE"? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 10:25am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: No such verse exist , that's why he didn't gave a full quote , but only that phrase written in Verse 8. He applied it because it fit his narration |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 10:26am On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: So the Lord says is part of what he quoted at John 10:30 ? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 11:02am On Aug 15, 2020 |
I can see you can't provide your fraudulent source again. Why are you ashamed of providing your fraudulent source. And this has settled my post about Cyprian statement. Peacefullove: I remember I gave you a tutorial on different between verse 7 & 8 but blocked head and dishonesty won't allow you to learn, now it has come back to hunt you. RECAP!!! This was my previous post Let me also tutor you because I know you lack wisdom This is what appears "τρεις εν εισιν" in the Comma rather than of "τρεις εις το εν εισιν" in verse 8. The Greek in verse 8 has the preposition "εις". The reason I brought this back is because I know you lack knowledge of the subject matter but only after lying and distracting and detailing the thread. Now, from above ONLY in the COMMA (verse 7) you will find "AND THESE THREE ARE ONE" according to Greek used while the Greek that appears in verse 8 is translated by all versions as "the spirit and the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NWT NET the Spirit and the water and the blood, and these three are in agreement. NIRV They are the Holy Spirit, the birth of Jesus, and the death of Jesus. And the three of them agree. NIV the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NIVUK the Spirit, the water and the blood; and the three are in agreement. NKJV And there are three that bear witness on earth: the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one. NLV There are three who speak of this on the earth: the Holy Spirit and the water and the blood. These three speak the same thing. NLT the Spirit, the water, and the blood—and all three agree. It's evident that Cyprian actually quoted the COMMA and not verse 8 this is even in support with the MENTION OF THE THREE PERSONS OF THE TRINITY but your lying mouth said otherwise. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 3:33pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Emusan: Quote verse 8 in the ISV , what does it say? u are a fraud, does verse 7 contain " OF " or " the Word " either . Son and Word are the same Greek word ? A Latin writing of Cyprians time reffering to 1John 5:8 "Moreover, I think also that we have not unsuitably set in order the teaching of the Apostle John, who says that 'three bear witness, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood; and these three are one,' ” (A Treatise on Rebaptism, Section 19). proved that a reference to Verse 8 could contain the exact words Cyprian used. FOR A FACT, Cyprian Only quoted the phrase " and these three are one " if such a verse existed , Cyprian would have made a FULL Quote rather than half . he definitely has no idea of such a verse. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 4:59pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Now let's move to the next stage! By bringing the support of the early Christians writers. Let's start from the Greek writers. Athanasius By "Athanasius", it is meant Athanasius (c. 296 – 373 AD) or Pseudo-Athanasius (c. 350 - c. 600 AD). Athanasius quoted the Comma in Disputatio Contra Arium: "But also, is not that sin-remitting, life-giving and sanctifying washing [baptism], without which, no one shall see the kingdom of heaven, given to the faithful in the Thrice-Blessed Name? In addition to all these, John affirms, 'and these three are one.'" Athanasius quoted another portion of the Comma in Quaestiones Aliae: "Even as my soul is one, but a triune soul, reason, and breath; so also God is one, but is also triune, Father, Word, and Holy Ghost.... For as soul, reason and breath are three features, and in substance one soul, and not three souls; so Father, Word and Holy Ghost, [are] three persons, and one God in substance, and not three gods." |
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