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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:08pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Origen Origen (c. 184 - c. 253 AD) or Pseudo-Origen quoted the Comma in Selecta in Psalmos (PG XII, 1304): "Behold, the eyes of bondservants in the hands of their lord, as the eyes of a bondwoman in the hands of their lady, so are our eyes towards the Lord our God, until he may pity us; spirit and body are the bondservants of the Lord Father and Son; but the soul is the bondwoman of the lady Holy Spirit. And the Lord our God is three, for the three are one." |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:23pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
The evidence of the Latin writers: Tertullian Tertullian (c. 155 - c. 245 AD) makes a truncated reference to the Comma: "Thus the connection of the Father in the Son, and of the Son in the Paraclete, produces three coherent persons, one from the other, which three are one, not one [person], as it is said, "I and my Father are One."" Furthermore, Tertullian alludes to the Comma in De Baptismo: [b]"Not that in the waters we obtain the Holy Spirit; but in the water, under (the witness of) the angel, we are cleansed, and prepared for the Holy Spirit. In this case also a type has preceded; for thus was John beforehand the Lord's forerunner, preparing His ways. Thus, too, does the angel, the witness of baptism, make the paths straight for the Holy Spirit, who is about to come upon us, by the washing away of sins, which faith, sealed in (the name of) the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit, obtains. For if in the mouth of three witnesses every word shall stand: while, through the benediction, we have the same (three) as witnesses of our faith whom we have as sureties of our salvation too, how much more does the number of the divine names suffice for the assurance of our hope likewise! Moreover, after the pledging both of the attestation of faith and the promise of salvation under three witnesses, there is added, of necessity, mention of the Church; inasmuch as, wherever there are three, (that is, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit,) there is the Church, which is a body of three."[/b] |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:36pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Cyprian Cyprian (c. 210 - 258 AD) quotes the Comma: “Dicit Dominus, Ego et Pater unum sumus; et iterum de Patre et Filio et Spiritu sancto scriptum est: 'Et tres unum sunt.'” (Treatise I:6). "The Lord says, "I and the Father are one; " and again it is written of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, "And these three are one." |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 5:40pm On Aug 15, 2020 |
Priscillian Priscillian of Avila in c. 380 AD quotes the Comma: "As John says, "There are three that give testimony in earth: the water, the flesh and the blood; and these three are one and there are three that give testimony in heaven: the Father, the Word and the Spirit; and these three are one in Christ Jesus." (Liber Apologeticus, I.4) The order of verse 7 and 8 is reversed, but the Comma nonetheless existed by 350 AD, which is the date of the earliest Greek manuscripts against the Comma (e.g. Sinaiticus and Vaticanus). Some critics dismiss the significance of Priscillian's citation due to the fact that he was considered a heretic. These critics may even go as far as to say that Priscillian forged the Comma. But Priscillian was considered a heretic because of his extreme asceticism and Manichaeism. Forging the Comma would not have helped in furthering any of these heretical beliefs. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 1:25pm On Aug 16, 2020 |
Emusan: No single full quote. Fraudsters. Verse 8 again. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 1:02am On Aug 19, 2020 |
Peacefullove: See this hypocrite! So ISV is more accurate than your satanic translation NWT. ISV contains the vs 7, do you agree with it? Shameless hypocrite! u are a fraud, does verse 7 contain " OF " or " the Word " either . Son and Word are the same Greek word ? Shameless block headed JWs. No wonder you can't simply answer my question was verse 8 about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, for Cyprian to have said "IT IS WRITTEN OF the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost...? A Latin writing of Cyprians time reffering to 1John 5:8 Was this phrase "and these three are one" about the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost for Cyprian could have said "IT IS WRITTEN OF...." this is the question you're dodging since and pretending as if you didn't see just because you know it exposes your lies and blocked head. Even your fraudulent source puts "it is written" after "of the Father, of the Son, and the Holy Ghost" no wonder you couldn't provide the fraudulent source here. Shameless lying mouth. if such a verse existed , Cyprian would have made a FULL Quote rather than half . he definitely has no idea of such a verse. Your shameless lying mouth will continue to be exposed. Here is the screenshot from the original source of Cyprian statement. It is evident that, it was Vs 7 he quoted.
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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 2:34pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
Emusan: I thought you would be reasonable by now, I was wrong . So you admitted it's only that phrase he QUOTED ?? if such verse exist , There would be a full quote. He quoted verse 8 and apply to TRINITY, that's why he only quoted the phrase alone. I even gave you an article written around the same time which quoted verse 8 the exact same way Cyprian quoted the phrase . |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 2:36pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
Emusan: U are a fraudster , U even went to bring a document that indicated the verse he quoted in footnote, Is it Cyprian that indicated Chapter and Verse ?? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 3:48pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
Shameless lying mouth will never repent Nothing to say about his ISV again. No wonder he was so bitter over this thread. Peacefullove: See this nitwit, who needs to go back to primary since you couldn't understand simple English. "IT IS WRITTEN OF THE FATHER, OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST" Was verse 8 ever about the Father, son and Holy Ghost? This question will continue to kill you which is the reason you can't answer. if such verse exist , There would be a full quote. He quoted verse 8 and apply to TRINITY, that's why he only quoted the phrase alone. It's the only COMMA the three persons of the Holy Trinity said to be ONE "And THESE THREE (Father, Son, Holy Ghost) are one" Take to your dull skull again, v8 is "agree in one" I even gave you an article written around the same time which quoted verse 8 the exact same way Cyprian quoted the phrase He said "IT IS WRITTEN OF THE FATHER, OF THE SON, AND OF THE HOLY GHOST" does v8 has any connection with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit? U are a fraudster , U even went to bring a document that indicated the verse he quoted in footnote, Is it Cyprian that indicated Chapter and Verse ?? Shameless liar and hypocrite! That is the original translation of his work to English. Olodo oshi... But you know more than the people who translated it and put the footnote as v7 Even Fulgentius Ruspensis referred to Cyprian statement which is still about Trinity. Fulgentius bishop of Ruspe in North Africa (died 527 AD) cited the Comma, even referring to Cyprian’s citation of the same: In the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, whose unity of substance we accept, are confident not to confound the persons. For the blessed John the Apostle testifies, saying: ‘There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Spirit; and the three are one. This is also confessed by the most blessed martyr Cyprian in the letter On the Unity of the Church, saying: ‘He who breaks the peace and concord of Christ, he does against Christ’, who in another place says in addition to a collection of the Church, says, ‘scatters the Church of Christ’. And in order to show that there is one Church of the one God, he immediately inserted this into the testimonies of the Scriptures: ‘The Lord says: I and the Father are one. And again: of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: And the three are one.’” Shameless fraudster and liar trying to discredit Cyprian evidence with his tiny skull full of sawdust. Not even that he really agrees with Cyprian doctrines because Cyprian and many early Christian writers are Trinitarian but just wants to keep fooling himself. Hypocrite! |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 9:17pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
Emusan: Learn to calm down , Cyprian ONLY quote " and these three are one " . U can't dispute that , and these appear also at verse 8. If such a verse existed, he would have quoted it in full. Not a phrase , (" " ) , It's like you don't know the meaning of quote sef Here you testify he only quoted the phrase . " this phrase "and these three are one" - Emusan No such verse existed. He only applied Trinity to verse 8 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 9:23pm On Aug 19, 2020 |
Emusan: That u went ahead to indicate in a footnote that it's verse 7 proves you are indeed a Fraudster, If I didn't challenge you on who make that reference, You would have made it seem Cyprian himself did. Fraud 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by SonOfALion: 8:48pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Janosky: 11:22pm On Aug 20, 2020 |
SonOfALion: False claim |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:30pm On Aug 21, 2020 |
SonOfALion: More points have been provided above Thanks for your submission! |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:33pm On Aug 21, 2020 |
Janosky:Provide your own true claim! |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:43pm On Aug 21, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Learn to be honest for once. Does verse 8 about the Father, the son and the Holy Spirit? This is the question you're still unable to answer since simply because you're of your father the devil. If such a verse existed, he would have quoted it in full. Not a phrase , (" " ) , It's like you don't know the meaning of quote sef A primary school English student knows when a simple sentence like "IT IS WRITTEN OF...." is made, the person is pointing to something except a dull and brain death JWs. Here you testify he only quoted the phrase . Was verse 8 about the persons of the Holy Trinity? For Cyprian to have said "It is written of..." No such verse existed. He only applied Trinity to verse 8 Idiot, even after provided the original translation of his work and even a 5th century bishop quoted his work to support the written of the same COMMA. Does verse 8 about the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost? You can't answer this because your work is a manifestation of your father the devil who is a liar from beginning. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 9:54pm On Aug 21, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Shameless lying liar! I've provided enough evidence to show that Cyprian actually quoted verse 7 but a lying mouth still deceiving himself that it's verse 8 without a single proof. No wonder the lying liar couldn't answer the simple question, if verse 8 was about the the Father, the Son and Holy Spirit... for more than 10times the question has been thrown to him. 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 7:30am On Aug 22, 2020 |
Emusan: If such a verse existed , That which is written which mentions Father , son and Holy spirit would have been QUOTED . For him Not to have quoted it, He was applying verse 8 to the TRINITY. Told you this without number, when will you learn ?? Such a verse existed and he could only make reference to ONlY a phrase ?? Guy.... Go and pray |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 10:41pm On Aug 23, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Shameless liar! Was verse 8 about the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost? No wonder you can't give straight answer to the question because your lying mouth will be exposed. How can Cyprian apply verse 8 which is not a TRINITARIAN VERSE to support Trinity and even went further to say "IT IS WRITTEN OF the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost..." Such a verse existed and he could only make reference to ONlY a phrase ?? Guy.... Go and pray Shameless idiot Christ and the Apostles quoted many phrases from the Old Testament, does that mean those verses weren't in existence for them not to have quoted it in full? Lying liar mouth! 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Peacefullove: 2:39am On Aug 24, 2020 |
Emusan: Cyprian quoted a phrase from verse 8 and applied it to Trinity . No such verse existed , so he only quoted and misapplied the phrase .For such verse to exist , he would have quoted it. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 7:14am On Aug 24, 2020 |
Peacefullove: Shameless lying liar! The @color part is what I'm actually waiting for your lying mouth to vomit. Everyone can see how shameless your are now. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 7:48am On Aug 24, 2020 |
Walahi Talahi you guys just dey fall my hand i swear! Why not leave Emusan to go and force his Johhannine Comma in all other translations of the Bible? Abi it's Jehovah's Witnesses that translated all other versions that refused to add his Comma? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 8:12am On Aug 24, 2020 |
Maximus69: At least you know your brothers are falling your hand Why not leave Emusan to go and force his Johhannine Comma in all other translations of the Bible? Why are you so bitter about those who have the johannine Comma in their translations? Abi it's Jehovah's Witnesses that translated all other versions that refused to add his Comma? The purpose of this thread is to present the evidences that support the credibility of the COMMA which I did and as more facts are being unearth like the UMLAUT (Double dots) that was discovered in 1995 from oldest Greek manuscript - Vaticanus which appears rightly where the COMMA appeared in many translations today. So, most translations that didn't have the COMMA based on the early points listed on page 2 of this thread might reconsider at new edition but the most important thing is, will JWs have COMMA in their translation as others will be reviewing theirs? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Nobody: 8:25am On Aug 24, 2020 |
Happy presentation Sir! Let's hope all those translators will consider your appeal and revise their translation to include your Johhannine Comma! Emusan: 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Janosky: 10:54pm On May 01, 2021 |
Emusan: ◄ 1 John 5:7 ► * New International Version For there are three that testify: * New Living Translation So we have these three witnesses— * English Standard Version For there are three that testify: * Berean Study Bible For there are three that testify: * Berean Literal Bible For there are three bearing testimony: King James Bible ( Textus Receptus copy) For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one. New King James Version (Textus Receptus copy) For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. * New American Standard Bible For there are three that testify: * NASB 1995 For there are three that testify: * NASB 1977 And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is the truth. * Amplified Bible For there are three witnesses: * Christian Standard Bible For there are three that testify: * Holman Christian Standard Bible For there are three that testify: * American Standard Version And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. * Aramaic Bible in Plain English And The Spirit testifies because The Spirit is the truth. * Contemporary English Version In fact, there are three who tell about it. Douay-Rheims Bible (Textus Receptus copy) And there are three who give testimony in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost. And these three are one. * English Revised Version And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is the truth. * Good News Translation There are three witnesses: * GOD'S WORD® Translation There are three witnesses: * International Standard Version For there are three witnesses — Literal Standard Version (Textus Receptus copy) because [there] are three who are testifying [[in Heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are one; * NET Bible For there are three that testify, * New Heart English Bible For there are three who testify: * Weymouth New Testament For there are three that give testimony-- the Spirit, the water, and the blood; *;World English Bible For there are three who testify" ----_------------------------------ A fraud is what it is- a fraud. Who has reviewed their Bible Translations by addition of your Johannine Comma FRAUD? Emusan is a LIENUS 1 Like |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 12:42pm On May 05, 2021 |
Janosky: I love the way you're being restless when your fraudulent organization is exposed. The truth is Orthodox Bible, the scriptures, Complete Jewish Bible e.t.c prove NWT to be wrong translation. JaNosense the lying liar JWs like his father the Devil. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 8:07pm On Sep 15, 2023 |
The major player was Erasmus who reluctantly included the passage due to the appearance of a greek source that had been translated from a Latin source.
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Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 7:53pm On Sep 23, 2023 |
Maynman: Which part did he play? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 8:13pm On Sep 23, 2023 |
The major player was Erasmus who reluctantly included the passage due to the appearance of a greek source that had been translated from a Latin source. Emusan:You are worshipping a Roman Parody Even your fellow trinitarians know that verse is a forgery and they have moved on. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Emusan(m): 11:18am On Sep 24, 2023 |
Maynman: But the text has been in used long before Erasmus! You are worshipping a Roman Parody I'm happy with that How is that your problem? Even your fellow trinitarians know that verse is a forgery and they have moved on. Provide the Trinitarians. |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 3:20pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Emusan:Which people was it used among? Which codex/papyrus was it in? |
Re: Johannine Comma (1 John 5:7) by Maynman: 3:29pm On Sep 24, 2023 |
Emusan:ALL Trinitarians have moved on from that forged verse. |
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